Re: Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 07:50:29AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> I see a bug report as treating an individual symptom rather than
> solving the underlying problem.

So just leave it for someone else to suffer through as well?

You could treat "the underlying problem." as a different bug, and offer to
do something about it, Debian is a volunteer effort.

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Re: How recover from aborted dist-upgrade Stable to Testing (due to apt-listbug bug 585448)

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 03:12:25PM -0600, nv wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:49:53 +0200
> Andrei POPESCU  wrote:
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > Andrei
> 
> tl;dr:  Is it recommended that I use apt-pinning to upgrade some packages to

Weird, considering yours was the long post and not Andrei's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Too_long%3B_didn't_read

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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Marc Shapiro]

On 12/14/2012 05:30 AM, Rob Owens wrote:

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:40:03PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35:59AM +0100, phi debian wrote:

So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3,
are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.

GNOME2 will be gone, GNOME3 will be present, and the fallback mode has
been renamed "GNOME classic" and is available as a desktop session (that
is, you can select it from the login prompt). So, if you can customize
the fallback/classic mode to your tastes, which may involve writing or
using extensions, great. If not, you could consider one of the other
desktop environments in Debian, or you could use the 3rd party "MATE"
packages which are a fork of the GNOME2 codebase. There's some chance
that MATE will be officially packaged in Debian for the release after
next, but not for wheezy. Finally, there's another effort called
"Cinnamon" which tries to give a GNOME2-like experience on top of
GNOME3 technology, again that is not packaged officially for the next
release of Debian, but is available third party, and might be in the
release after next.


Cinnamon is actually in Sid right now.  I haven't tried it, so I don't
know how well it works.

I use Fluxbox, and I like it a lot.  Honestly, I don't know why so many
people feel like they need to use a full desktop environment.  To go to
a straight window manager, I had a very short learning curve.  Basically
all I had to do was learn how to access the menu, and learn how to start
applications automatically on login (nm-applet, for example).

-Rob
I used to use fvwm.  Then I had a hard disk crash.  Fortunately, I was 
able to recover most of my data, but I did need to reinstall on a new 
drive.  That is when I installed gnome2.  It made things easier for my 
wife and daughter.  We were all in agreement, however, that we needed to 
find a replacement before installing Wheezy, because gnome3 was just not 
going to work for us.  I have been running lxde on my laptop and I 
installed it on the desktop when I replaced my old box.  I haven't had 
any complaints from my daughter, so it is staying that way.


Marc


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Idle TCP connections freeze

[Nikolaus Rath]

Hi,

I'm having trouble with an internet connection that seems to randomly
"freeze" arbitrary tcp connections when they have not been used for a
while. The connections stay established, but no data is coming through.

When this happens, netstat still shows the connection status as
`ESTABLISHED` on both the local computer:

Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
PID/Program name Timer
tcp0 53 192.168.0.10:41129  173.255.235.238:143 
ESTABLISHED 8219/gnutls-cli  on (79.31/13/0)

..and the remote server:

Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State   
PID/Program name Timer
tcp0  0 173.255.235.238:143 68.5.174.98:41129   
ESTABLISHED 5303/imapd   off (0.00/0/0)

However, it seems that no data at all is transferred. If I run strace
on the local and remote process, both just show a repeating sequence of
select calls (with different fds of course), e.g.

select(6, [0 5], NULL, NULL, {0, 5}) = 0 (Timeout)
select(6, [0 5], NULL, NULL, {0, 5}) = 0 (Timeout)
select(6, [0 5], NULL, NULL, {0, 5}) = 0 (Timeout)

The internet connection overall does not seem affected, I can still
establish new connections to the same service on the same server without
any problems. However, the affected local applications seem to be
unaware of the problem and just hang.

About 10 minutes after the attempted transmission on the local end, the
connection on the remote end disappears from the netstat (I wasn't able
to catch any intermediate state), but still stays `ESTABLISHED` on the
local end.

Finally, after some more minutes, the local application aborts with a
timeout and disappears from the local netstat output as well.

When I look at a packet capture of this connection on the client side,
there is a long (expected) period of inactivity that seems to trigger
the problem, then the local end tries to transmit some data again but
never receives an ACK. Instead, 15 TCP Retransmissions go out, with
intervals increasing from 0.3 seconds to 120 seconds. No activity is
captured after that.

Does anyone have a suggestion of how I could debug this further to find
out where the problem lies and how to fix it?

Also, is is there some way to globally reduce the timeout on client
and/or server to reduce the time before the local application aborts?


Best,

   -Nikolaus

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Re: NFS automount not happening [solution confirmed]

[Bob Proulx]

Roger Leigh wrote:
> This is an area which could use quite a bit of work.  Unfortunately,
> as you point out there isn't a single place to fix things--it
> touches a whole host of packages, from the initramfs to the
> initscripts, to udev and networking.

It does touch many things.  The configuration is varied.  But just to
clarify and simplify a little, there isn't anything that needs to be
done for the initramfs or udev.  The stock everything there is okay.
I did make modifications to the init process.  (It is so very nice that
they are simple scripts so that I could understand them and modify
them as needed.  /me looks around the room shyly.)

> Some things which need addressing:
> - use of tmpfses for non-writable locations like /media: we should
>   be doing this by default; introducing /run/media on the /run
>   tmpfs was one thing looked at for wheezy; but it didn't get done
>   for reasons I can't recall offhand.  Something to revisit for
>   jessie.  This not just specific to nfsroot, r/o root also needs it.

I am not sure it is good to always include that as a ram file system.
I have often and I am sure others have too made custom directories
there and custom entries in /etc/fstab.  Of course on a diskless thin
client these things either need to be avoided or codified in a system
script but it definitely is an area where one size does not fit
everyone.

> - ASYNCMOUNTNFS in /etc/default/rcS (see rcS(5)).  The fact this
>   option exists indicates a problem.  The basic NFS mounting at
>   boot should Just Work in all situations, without gross hacks
>   like this.

Apparently I have successfully avoided needing to know about that
setting.  This is my first encounter with it.  I have no idea what
that does and will need to research it.

Usually when an nfs mount is listed in /etc/fstab it is because the
function of the machine is impossible without it.  Such as an nfs
mounted $HOME directory.  If the machine boots and presents a login
screen but does not have a home directory available for the user to
log in then it is useless to the user.  Therefore even if it must wait
synchronously for the event to finish that is okay.  People don't use
nfs diskles machines expecting speed daemon performance.

Of course there are other lazy mounting strategies such as autofs and
amd but those are not configured through hard mounts in /etc/fstab.

> - There are currently two places where NFS filesystem mounting
>   can be triggered: /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs (triggered by
>   ipup/udev) and /etc/init.d/mountnfs.sh.  There should ideally
>   be just a single script, which should cater for all cases; the
>   other script can just run the other.

The transition from configure at boot time to configure when the
interface comes online is also a problem for devices that are
configured before system boot time and therefore escape both systems.
Pehraps both of the above should call a 3rd independent common script
that could also be called in this last case too.

> - NetworkManager from what I've observed from other bugs reports
>   is hopelessly broken with NFS mounting at boot.

I haven't researched it the combination.

> While I've looked at this peripherally as an initscripts maintainer,
> and sponsor for ifupdown, I don't personally have the NFS expertise
> to fully understand all of the disparate and incompatible use cases
> to be able to engineer a proper solution.  We've fixed a few specific
> individual issues, but not really tackled the big problem.
> 
> Help understanding what the problems are and how best to address them
> would be very much appreciated if anyone wishes to help here.  We
> really need someone intimately familiar with NFS, and how the boot
> scripts work, or who could take the time to become familiar with them.

I think that at the start this is a configuration issue.  And as such
it is a knowledge and documentation issue.  Quite a few of us have
knowledge of various parts in detail but it isn't all in one place.
At least not that I know about.  Therefore I think the place to start
would be to try to document the recipe fully.  Along the way we would
have gathered all of the details into one place.  Along the way of
building the documentation we would discover the corner cases that
make that hard and can enumerate them.  Let's also not forget about
the LTSP and others that have tackled these issues already.  I will
just trail off there and let things hang at this point.  Certainly I
would be willing to help in this effort and would actively like to be
involved if something started happening with it.

Bob


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Re: Need detialed info on preseeding

[Bob Proulx]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:
> >Does this helps?
> 
> No :(
> Those only tell me the commands exist.
> I need to know what constraints exist for using them.

On the topic of pkgsel/include:

Here is an example from my preseed configuration:

  d-i pkgsel/include string dnsutils less nvi openssh-server postfix rsync sudo

All of those packages will be installed.  Any dependencies that they
declare will be installed.  The effect will be very similar to running
this command:

  # apt-get install -y dnsutils less nvi openssh-server postfix rsync sudo

What are you trying to accomplish and what problems are you having?

> In another thread ["apt-get BUG"  OR  "OPERATOR Error"?
> http://lists.debian.org/50bebe94.3080...@cloud85.net] I described my
> problems using apt-get.  Andrei Popescu identified the problem how
> dependencies were resolved
> [http://lists.debian.org/50c1e3f5.6070...@cloud85.net]

That was good debugging on Andrei's part.  :-)

> I'm running into apparently the same problem when trying to do it
> with preseeding.

It will behave exactly the same when preseeded as when done from the
command line.  Same thing.  No difference.  If you have figured it out
on the command line then it should be the same in the preseed file.

The previous problem you reported was:

  apt-get install gdm  # installs gnome-session
  apt-get install gdm gnome-terminal  # does not install gnome-session

Was identified by Andrei as:
Andrei wrote:
|Depends:
|  ...
|  gnome-session | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator,
|  ...
|
| If you install both gdm and gnome-terminal in the same run apt will
| correctly consider this dependency satisfied (since gnome-terminal
| Provides: x-terminal-emulator), otherwise it will chose the first
| alternative, which is gnome-session (which then pulls an entire Gnome
| session via Depends and Recommends)

And you didn't say what you did then but I assumed you would add
gnome-session to the list.

  # apt-get install gdm gnome-terminal gnome-session

And then with that the problem would be solved because it would
explicitly include gnome-session which was implicitly added before and
then wasn't needed as described above.  And if so then the same thing
in the preseed file.  Add gnome-session to the list.

  d-i pkgsel/include string gdm gnome-terminal gnome-session

If that makes sense then great!  If not please clarify.

On the topic of preseed/late_command:

I have this for example:

  d-i preseed/late_command string wget -O/target/var/tmp/bootstrap 
http://despair/medley/medley-bootstrap; in-target sh /var/tmp/bootstrap

There are many different ways to do this.  I wanted to keep a copy
after the install but not permanently.  So I dropped the copy into
/var/tmp where it would survive a reboot.  /tmp is purged on reboot.
(My systems have a real filesystem, not tmpfs, for /var/tmp.)  Then
since wget won't leave it executable I run sh on it since it is a
"#!/bin/sh" script.  At that point the script can do almost anything.
It can 'apt-get install ...' additional packages.

Note however that the installer will think it is 27% of the way
through when running the late_command.  So there is still a
significant amount more to go.  If you spend an hour doing things in
that script then it will be at 27% for an hour.  Any output it
generates will be on vt4 (available with Alt-F4) and you can view it
in progress.  I personally try to keep that relatively short.  Since I
want to do a lot there I install a one time running boot time script
to install a lot more.  That runs after the reboot and the output is
on the default console and visible without switching VTs.

> I asked this time in general terms because I have ideas of other
> things I may wish to preseed so I was looking for a broad answer.

Did the above answer your question?  If not then please keep asking
questions.

Bob


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Re: Slow network performance with KVM

[Bob Proulx]

Katynski, Bogdan wrote:

> I noticed a rather poor network guest-guest performance.

Have you loaded the vhost-net kernel module?  It is a huge lever for
network performance.

What is the output:

  $ lsmod | grep vhost_net

Here are a couple of references:

  http://www.linux-kvm.com/content/how-maximize-virtio-net-performance-vhost-net

  http://lwn.net/Articles/346267/

> Is there any way to get a better network performance? I've read
> somewhere on the internet somebody complaining about 22Gbit/s and
> here I cannot even reach half of a Gbit. Some kernel / virtio driver
> settings I should look at? I know that this is a hard to answer
> question but maybe I'm missing something obvious here?

Since you haven't mentioned the vhost-net driver I am going to assume
that you are not running it.  Set that up.  Verify that your kvm host
configuration is using it.

  $ ps -ef | grep qemu | grep --color vhost
  ... vhost=on,vhostfd=21 ...

  $ ps -ef | grep --color vhost
  root  9599 2  0 21:51 ?00:00:00 [vhost-9598]

Please let us know how it works out for you.

Bob


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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Bob Proulx]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> >Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select us
> >>d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us
> >
> >In Wheezy they changed these to different strings.  It caught me too.
> >See Bug#693493.  In Wheezy instead of "console-keymaps-at/keymap" use
> >"keymap select us".
> >
> >   d-i keymap select us
> >
> >The documentation for Testing Wheezy is:
> >
> >   http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs04.html#preseed-l10n
> 
> As I indicated in my original post, I'm using Squeeze.
> I tried your suggestion to see if Squeeze had the same bug.
> Evidently not.

Sorry.  Because you were having problems with this I assumed you were
using Wheezy.  Because in Squeeze this works fine.  If you are having
a problem in Squeeze then we need to dig deeper.  Because it
definitely works fine there.

How are you trying to preseed the keyboard?

Note that the only two valid places are on the command line as a
kernel boot parameter and in an initrd file.  The keyboard question is
asked very early and those are the only two places that are available
by the time the question needs to be asked.  Putting it in a file to
be loaded later is too late to be used.

  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-l10n
  "Setting localization values will only work if you are using initrd
  preseeding. With all other methods the preconfiguration file will
  only be loaded after these questions have been asked."

Even though it says initrd preseeding I think it works okay using
command line parameters too.

> >Are you sure that is an error message and not simply the normal user
> >dialog asking the keyboard question.
> 
> Depends on definition of "error". It has the same format as screens
> presented during a un-preseeded install.

Right.  That isn't an error message.  It is the user interaction
dialog.  The preseed for it isn't happening before it is asked and
therefore it is still asked.

> To me that meant "error" as preseeding should eliminate all
> questions.

No.  Often preseeding is used to only answer some of the questions.
Very usefully it can set the mirror to a fast local mirror for
example.  Or increase a dhcp timeout due to a slow dhcp server.  Just
setting those would leave all of the other questions available.  There
isn't any global setting that says that providing one preseed disables
all interactive dialog.

> I just double checked by running a text mode expert install - that
> screen never appears.

That does seem like a bug that it would ask it normally but not during
the expert install.  I haven't tried to recreate it yet myself.

Bob


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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Dec 2012 at 22:15:44 +, Brian wrote:

> The configuring the keyboard question is not shown when I use
> 
>auto=true priority=critical file=/mnt/preseed.cfg

I regretted writing this response almost immediately after sending it.
Not that it is incorrect but is it almost as content free as the first
mail in this thread. Presenting what is seen on the screen as an "error"
and not saying at what point in the install the message came doesn't
help to understand what is going on. 

So - a little apology. And more focussed help.

You are aware that a templates file in a udeb holds parameters which can
be preseeded. We are looking at preseeding the keyboard configuration.
Your existing preseed file gives you some clue which udeb contains the
relevant templates file, especially if you think in terms of keyboard or
console. You also have a screen message to aid you in a seach of the
file.

Now cast your fishing net and *you* tell us what might be missing in
your preseed file.


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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Brian]

On Fri 14 Dec 2012 at 05:40:25 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >
> >You fail to say which distribution you are using and which preseeding
> >method is employed.
> 
> See first line of my post.

I saw it the first time. All it tells us is that you have read some
Squeeze documentation. Another guess: you are using file preseeding. Is
that correct?

> >I'll guess at Squeeze for the first omission. For
> >the second you have Sections B.1.1., B.2.2. and B.2.3. of the manual.
> 
> B.1.1. only mention of keyboard related issues is "In order to avoid
> the questions that would normally appear before the preseeding
> occurs, you can start the installer in “auto” mode. This delays
> questions that would normally be asked too early for preseeding
> (i.e. language, country and keyboard selection) until after the
> network comes up, thus allowing them to be preseeded. It also runs
> the installation at critical priority, which avoids many unimportant
> questions."
> 
> B.2.2.talks about " Using boot parameters to preseed questions"
> generally but says  *NOTHING* about any values for keyboard related
> parameters.
> 
> B.2.3. only mention of keyboard related issues is  "The auto boot
> label is not yet defined everywhere. The same effect may be achieved
> by simply adding the two parameters auto=true priority=critical to
> the kernel command line. The auto parameter is an alias for
> auto-install/enable and setting it to true delays the locale and
> keyboard questions until after there has been a chance to preseed
> them, while priority is an alias for debconf/priority and setting it
> to critical stops any questions with a lower priority from being
> asked."

The configuring the keyboard question is not shown when I use

   auto=true priority=critical file=/mnt/preseed.cfg


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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 06:42:50PM +0100, phi debian wrote:
> The thing about gnome (I coulfd have a minimal wm otherwise) is that I
> depend (depended?) on having a lot of click click prog, because I am a
> newbee, I can resize some disc partition with gparted, I can't with parted,
> well I can but got to read all this optins and stuf, gparted drag parttion
> and you are set.
> 
You can still use gparted with a window manager.  You can use any
program you want.  What you primarily miss out on when using a window
manager instead of a desktop environment are:

1)  drag-and-drop capability between windows (but not always)

2)  applications that all look the same in terms of decorations, style,
etc.

3)  lots of things happening automatically for you (for instance, in a
wm you will need to tell it to load the network manager applet because
it won't happen automatically)

4)  icons on the desktop.  This can be done, but it requires
configuration of software to handle it (which is done automatically in a
desktop environment)

5)  right-click functionality, such as right-click on the desktop to
change your wallpaper

I don't miss any of that stuff...

-Rob


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Re: Gnome3 probe

[phi debian]

Thanx all for your pointers, I will start to investigate, but that move is
painfull,I worked for so long withtout any trouble.


I'd liked to be able to install guests debian real quik and still have a
practicable few click setup.

May be I can adapt to g3, be what I got so far on ubuntu/mint/opensuse whas
a disaster, spending full day just for some basic setup reading tons of
post just to do basic thing like moving my panel to the righ and not have
this automaxize completly dump through vpn+vnc flickering endlessly, and on
unbuntu I doscover how to stop that but it was non trivial like registery
edit, that is non sense when you don't know the key to search for.

G2 at some point you wanted to move a panel you just draged it

Why this things was lost enroute ?

The thing about gnome (I coulfd have a minimal wm otherwise) is that I
depend (depended?) on having a lot of click click prog, because I am a
newbee, I can resize some disc partition with gparted, I can't with parted,
well I can but got to read all this optins and stuf, gparted drag parttion
and you are set.

Well I try g3 again will see.

Cheers,
Phi

Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems

[Aidan Gauland]

Michael Biebl  writes:
> udisks-daemon does handle luks/cryptsetup encrypted partitions but it
> seems the udisks command line tool is too limited.
>
> Try "gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo". This should prompt you for the passphrase,
> unlock and mount the file system under /media/FS_LABEL
>
> Can be unmounted again via umount /media/FS_LABEL

Yep, that does the job.  Thanks!

I think I'll file a feature request against udisks.

—Aidan


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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:18:18 -0800
Marc Shapiro  wrote:

Hello Marc,

>Right!  I'm still running Squeeze, however.  Mutiarch is just for
>Wheezy and up IIRC.  When Wheezy goes Stable, I will enable mutiarch

Correct:  Wheezy and up.

>and do it that way.  That certainly seems like the way to go. Since,

Eventually there will be no other option, I suspect.  As soon as it's
possible, I think that the ia32* packages will get pulled from Sid.
Whether that will be in time for Wheezy to go stable, I have no idea as
I don't follow the relevant lists, or read the news often enough to know.

>multiarch and then install the 32bit version of Citrix.  Right?

That should be it, yes.

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Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems

[Michael Biebl]

On 14.12.2012 17:12, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Try "gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo". This should prompt you for the passphrase,
> unlock and mount the file system under /media/FS_LABEL

Just in case: If you run that command from a session which has no
running dbus session bus, change that command to:

"dbus-launch gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo"


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Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems

[Michael Biebl]

On 14.12.2012 10:00, Aidan Gauland wrote:
> Michael Biebl  writes:
>> On 14.12.2012 05:06, Aidan Gauland wrote:
>>> How can I fix this?  Given that HAL is deprecated, I suspect there is
>>> some other tool that serves the same purpose as pmount-hal that I should
>>> be using instead.
>>
>> yeah, hal is dead.
>> You might try "udisks --mount" instead.
> 
> I get
> Mount failed: Not a mountable file system
> It seems that udisks does not handle encrypted partitions.

udisks-daemon does handle luks/cryptsetup encrypted partitions but it
seems the udisks command line tool is too limited.

Try "gvfs-mount -d /dev/foo". This should prompt you for the passphrase,
unlock and mount the file system under /media/FS_LABEL

Can be unmounted again via umount /media/FS_LABEL


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Is plugin-containe the problem?

[Thomas H. George]

When I run top -i and kill the pid of plugin-containe this temporarily
restores the normal operation of iceape, that is paging and scrolling
response is immediate again rather than delayed by as much as 30
seconds.

This is obviously not the right way to fix the problem.  Is there a
permanet solution?

Tom


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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

phi debian wrote:

Hi All,

The all thing that make me stay away from suse, ubuntu, mint, name it... 
is gnome3. I am an happy camper since linge with debian way of gnome2.


My needs are very basic, i.e remove everything, keep only 1 panel that I 
want vertical on and the right, and have the gnome click tools (gparted, 
system setting, administration)


I hate to an iritating point any wm that knows better than me what is 
good for me, basically, thing that auto maximize, fixed/locked pannels, 
etc, etc... and I hate having to customise things with a huge 
'registery' like thing, clickin in panel (or drag it) to move it around 
is teh only thing I need.


And what I hate most, it spending hours, days to customise, having an 
update and tada all custmisation are lost and not redone the same way 
(ubuntu does this)


So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3, 
are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.


I need to know to void to press 'yes' on next update.



Too bad Camaleón ain't around anymore. She would surely have a comment.
I am still sticking with xfce (testing).

Hugo


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Re: HS bookmarks iceweasel_firefox dans db mysql

[maderios]

On 12/14/2012 04:04 PM, Thore wrote:

Am 14.12.2012 16:02, schrieb maderios:

Bonjour
C'est un rêve ancien, un peu désespéré mais tant pis...
Je cherche un moyen de remplacer sqlite par mysql pour stocker et
utiliser les signets de firefox. Pourquoi donc ?
Parce que sqlite rame quand il y a beaucoup de données/signets, c'est
mon cas
Parce que mysql est plus rapide que sqlite et demande moins de
ressouces/accès disque
Parce que j'ai déjà mysql
Merci pour toute idée
Amicalement

Hello,
this is the international english list.
There is an special french list
;-)

Hi
Sorry for the mistake
Greetings

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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Marc Shapiro]

On 12/13/2012 11:42 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:59:30 -0800
Marc Shapiro  wrote:

Hello Marc,


Wont that need the 32-bit libraries as well?  What would be the
advantage.

ia32 installs *all* the i386 libs, whether you need them or not,
multiarch means you only have to install the libs you need.

Right!  I'm still running Squeeze, however.  Mutiarch is just for Wheezy 
and up IIRC.  When Wheezy goes Stable, I will enable mutiarch and do it 
that way.  That certainly seems like the way to go. Since, for me, it is 
just the Citrix Receiver that requires IA32-libs I can just uninstall 
both of those packages, upgrade to Wheezy, enable multiarch and then 
install the 32bit version of Citrix.  Right?


Marc


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HS bookmarks iceweasel_firefox dans db mysql

[maderios]

Bonjour
C'est un rêve ancien, un peu désespéré mais tant pis...
Je cherche un moyen de remplacer sqlite par mysql pour stocker et 
utiliser les signets de firefox. Pourquoi donc ?
Parce que sqlite rame quand il y a beaucoup de données/signets, c'est 
mon cas
Parce que mysql est plus rapide que sqlite et demande moins de 
ressouces/accès disque

Parce que j'ai déjà mysql
Merci pour toute idée
Amicalement
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Proofreading of Debian documentation - was [Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue]

[Richard Owlett]

Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Vi, 14 dec 12, 05:39:56, Richard Owlett wrote:


I think I see a common thread in the preseed related problems I've
been having.
Who proofreads the Debian documentation? I suspect it tends to be
the author {as should happen} and other Debian *EXPERTS* {which is a
too narrow classification}. I had that fallacy  demonstrated over 40
years ago when I wrote my first test procedure. Corporate policy was
to have someone unrelated to the project "test the test procedure"
before giving it to the production test technicians.


Yes, this makes sense.


I had
unconsciously written into the procedure my particular path of
experience. Where should I raise this issue? I occasionally run into
the same apparent issue with the debian.org website.


If by "raising the issue" you mean do the proof-reading yourself and
then report problems, by all means, just go ahead. Or, even better, you
could submit patches.



I see a bug report as treating an individual symptom rather 
than solving the underlying problem.




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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Richard Owlett]

Bob Proulx wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select us
d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us


In Wheezy they changed these to different strings.  It caught me too.
See Bug#693493.  In Wheezy instead of "console-keymaps-at/keymap" use
"keymap select us".

   d-i keymap select us

The documentation for Testing Wheezy is:

   http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/apbs04.html#preseed-l10n


As I indicated in my original post, I'm using Squeeze.
I tried your suggestion to see if Squeeze had the same bug. 
Evidently not.





When I use it in my preseed.cfg I get an error message.

ERROR MESSAGE TITLE  ---
  Configuring keyboard-configuration
ERROR MESSAGE TEXT   ---
  Please select the layout matching the keyboard for this
machine.


Are you sure that is an error message and not simply the normal user
dialog asking the keyboard question.



Depends on definition of "error". It has the same format as 
screens presented during a un-preseeded install. To me that 
meant "error" as preseeding should eliminate all questions.


I just double checked by running a text mode expert install 
- that screen never appears.




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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Rob Owens]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:40:03PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35:59AM +0100, phi debian wrote:
> > So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3,
> > are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.
> 
> GNOME2 will be gone, GNOME3 will be present, and the fallback mode has
> been renamed "GNOME classic" and is available as a desktop session (that
> is, you can select it from the login prompt). So, if you can customize
> the fallback/classic mode to your tastes, which may involve writing or
> using extensions, great. If not, you could consider one of the other
> desktop environments in Debian, or you could use the 3rd party "MATE"
> packages which are a fork of the GNOME2 codebase. There's some chance
> that MATE will be officially packaged in Debian for the release after
> next, but not for wheezy. Finally, there's another effort called
> "Cinnamon" which tries to give a GNOME2-like experience on top of
> GNOME3 technology, again that is not packaged officially for the next
> release of Debian, but is available third party, and might be in the
> release after next.
> 
Cinnamon is actually in Sid right now.  I haven't tried it, so I don't
know how well it works.

I use Fluxbox, and I like it a lot.  Honestly, I don't know why so many
people feel like they need to use a full desktop environment.  To go to
a straight window manager, I had a very short learning curve.  Basically
all I had to do was learn how to access the menu, and learn how to start
applications automatically on login (nm-applet, for example).

-Rob


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Re: USB 3 card

[Shane Johnson]

One thing I have noticed with all the cards I have used, if the HD's I
attach have the same id in lsusb then only one at a time will work and I
have to move the other to another controller.

Shane


On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Tyler D  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Nelson Green 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I need to install a USB3 card in a Dell Precision, running a stock
> Squeeze
> >> install. Any that I should avoid, or issues I should be aware of? I see
> >> there are some hits on the list, but most appear to be in Spanish and I
> am
> >> far too rusty in that language to properly comprehend their content.
> >
> > I received no responses to this question (not complaining, just
> > mentioning), but I have some experience to pass along in case anyone
> else is
> > interested. Naturally I purchased a card that did not work. It was the
> "PPA
> > International USB 3.0 SuperSpeed PCI-Express Card 2 Port". Unfortunately
> I
> > am unable to tell anyone which chipset it incorporates, but will try to
> get
> > it back to find out. When it did not work, a colleague offered to try it
> in
> > his windows box, since the card came with a windows driver. It worked for
> > him, and we swapped his card out. His works for me. It was a no-name
> brand,
> > but it uses the NEC chipset, and seems to be working just fine here.
>
> I have three USB3 cards two of them are PCI:
> * StarTech 2 Port PCI SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Card Adapter Model PCIUSB3S2
> ** http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158275
> * Koutech 2-Port SuperSpeed USB 3.0 PCI Card Model IO-PU230
> ** http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815201041
>
> and the other is PCIe:
> * Western Digital USB 3.0 PCIe Card Model WDBFNJNNC-WASN
> ** http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815140001
>
> I use the PCIe card the most and haven't had any big problems.  The
> PCI cards seem fine too, but I don't use them as much.
>
> One thing I will mention is that for this 1 or 2 particular USB3 hard
> drives, it isn't recognized... and I'm forced to use my motherboards
> onboard USB2 port.  Having said that... I'm also not totally sure if
> its the USB3 hard disk drive itself or the USB3 card that is at
> fault... lol or something different entirely.  IIRC, I see this same
> behaviour on an old Fedora 12 box, which uses one of the PCI cards and
> also on my KUbuntu 12.04 machine which uses the PCIe card.
>
> One of the PCI cards claims to use the NEC chipset.  Not sure about
> the others.  The NEC chipset seems ubiquitous, though, for almost any
> USB3 card I ever see.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> --Tyler
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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Jon Dowland]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35:59AM +0100, phi debian wrote:
> So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3,
> are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.

GNOME2 will be gone, GNOME3 will be present, and the fallback mode has
been renamed "GNOME classic" and is available as a desktop session (that
is, you can select it from the login prompt). So, if you can customize
the fallback/classic mode to your tastes, which may involve writing or
using extensions, great. If not, you could consider one of the other
desktop environments in Debian, or you could use the 3rd party "MATE"
packages which are a fork of the GNOME2 codebase. There's some chance
that MATE will be officially packaged in Debian for the release after
next, but not for wheezy. Finally, there's another effort called
"Cinnamon" which tries to give a GNOME2-like experience on top of
GNOME3 technology, again that is not packaged officially for the next
release of Debian, but is available third party, and might be in the
release after next.


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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 11:57 +0100, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> just search in the list, I've seen a couple of discussions already.
> 
> to cut the long story short:
> 
> Yes,  Gnome3 will be in Wheezy instead of Gnome2.
> 
> close alternatives:
> Xfce - worth a try,
> Mate - the fork of gnome2 - not in Debian, you'll need to install it
> from an external repository.

Perhaps Xfce is on the wrong track too. I preferred Xfce to LXDE, but
Xfce is a construction area, if you keep it updated.


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Re: Need detialed info on preseeding

[Richard Owlett]

Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote:

Hi Richard

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 08:39:27AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm following the example preseed.cfg given at
http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt .

It gives no detailed information on correct usage of
d-i pkgsel/include string ...
AND
d-i preseed/late_command string ...


This should be here [1]. Basically you pass the additional packages
you want to install there.

  [1]: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-pkgsel


I unsuccessfully attempted to use the first. I suspect the second
may be more appropriate.

Where are these documented?


  [2]: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs05.html.en#preseed-hooks

Does this helps?



No :(
Those only tell me the commands exist.
I need to know what constraints exist for using them.

In another thread ["apt-get BUG"  OR  "OPERATOR Error"? 
http://lists.debian.org/50bebe94.3080...@cloud85.net] I 
described my problems using apt-get.  Andrei Popescu 
identified the problem how dependencies were resolved 
[http://lists.debian.org/50c1e3f5.6070...@cloud85.net] I'm 
running into apparently the same problem when trying to do 
it with preseeding. I asked this time in general terms 
because I have ideas of other things I may wish to preseed 
so I was looking for a broad answer.




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Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 14 December 2012 11:52:46 Tom H wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> > On Friday 14 December 2012 09:06:54 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >> On Jo, 13 dec 12, 20:25:05, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >>> My sources list entry is:
> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> >>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib
> >>> non-free
> >>>
> >>> As you see, no slash. Aptitude put the slash in.
> >>>
> >>> But this is now solved anyway. There was a space where none should be.
> >>
> >> Not according to http://www.debian.org/security/
> >>
> >> deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> >
> > Sorry, Andrei. I don't understand. My sources.list entry is now identical
> > to that you offer, (see above), so I can't see what point you are making.
> > I had in fact seen the entry you offer on Debian security before I
> > removed the extraneous space.
>
> Andrei's making the same point that I made in:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/12/msg00509.html

Sorry, I failed to see the space.

With the space, it throws errors.  Without the space it functions correctly.  
I shall therefore use the version without the space until it too starts to 
throw errors.

Lisi


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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 11:35 +0100, phi debian wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The all thing that make me stay away from suse, ubuntu, mint, name
> it... is gnome3. I am an happy camper since linge with debian way of
> gnome2.
> 
> My needs are very basic, i.e remove everything, keep only 1 panel that
> I want vertical on and the right, and have the gnome click tools
> (gparted, system setting, administration)
> 
> I hate to an iritating point any wm that knows better than me what is
> good for me, basically, thing that auto maximize, fixed/locked
> pannels, etc, etc... and I hate having to customise things with a huge
> 'registery' like thing, clickin in panel (or drag it) to move it
> around is teh only thing I need.
> 
> And what I hate most, it spending hours, days to customise, having an
> update and tada all custmisation are lost and not redone the same way
> (ubuntu does this)
> 
> So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with
> gnome3, are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good
> for me.
> 
> I need to know to void to press 'yes' on next update.
> 
> If you know what next release will lok like I'd like to know

+10
Full ACK!

And now the bad news. What you experienced for Ubuntu is equal to my
experiences with different distros.

My updated Linux installs all suffer from XFCE 4.10 and GNOME 3.6
issues, pulseaudio, different startup methods etc., the new Linux policy
stuff that tries to make Linux for desktop computers, becoming an Apple
mobile device clone.

My recommendation is, that you should get XFCE 4.8 and if possible no
GNOME 3 apps.

Perhaps you are comfortable with a forge of GNOME 2?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_%28desktop_environment%29

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 14 dec 12, 11:47:10, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 14 December 2012 09:06:54 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 13 dec 12, 20:25:05, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > My sources list entry is:
> > > deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> > > deb-src http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> > >
> > > As you see, no slash.  Aptitude put the slash in.
> > >
> > > But this is now solved anyway.  There was a space where none should be.
> >
> > Not according to http://www.debian.org/security/
> >
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> Sorry, Andrei.  I don't understand.  My sources.list entry is now identical 
> to 
> that you offer, (see above), so I can't see what point you are making.  I had 
> in fact seen the entry you offer on Debian security before I removed the 
> extraneous space.

Actually it's not (copy-paste from above, plus adjusting the quotation 
levels):

> deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

Hope this helps,
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Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 14 December 2012 00:40:32 Glenn English wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Thursday 13 December 2012 22:26:32 Tom H wrote:
> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> >>> On Thursday 13 December 2012 16:59:57 Tom H wrote:
>  On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Lisi Reisz  
wrote:
> > Err http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main mysql-common all
> > 5.1.63-0+squeeze1
> > 404  Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]
> 
>  There should be a space between "squeeze/updates" and "main", not a
>  "/".
> >>>
> >>> My sources list entry is:
> >>> deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> >>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib
> >>> non-free
> >>>
> >>> As you see, no slash.  Aptitude put the slash in.
> >>>
> >>> But this is now solved anyway.  There was a space where none should be.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> It says:
> >>> org/ squeeze
> >>> where it should say
> >>> org/squeeze
> >>>
> >>> I.e. there was an extraneous space.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> All is now well.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the input.
> >>
> >> You're welcome. I saw you later email earlier but didn't have the time
> >> to answer.
> >>
> >> What you're saying is that you have
> >>
> >> http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main
> >>
> >> and aptitude's turning it into
> >>
> >> http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main
> >>
> >> but I'm saying that it should be
> >>
> >> http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
> >
> > That is what I had before the install failed - repeatedly, and always
> > with the same error.   Now that I have removed the space it all works.  I
> > am therefore somewhat reluctant to restore the space. :-)
>
> My sources.list line says:
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

Yes, that was what I had before I removed the space.  It had been working fine 
and suddenly started to throw errors.  Removing the space after .org/ and 
before squeeze solved the problem.
 
> That was put there by the installer, who calls itself "cdrom:[Debian
> GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1
> 20120930-15:53]/ squeeze main".

Me too, except that I use the net-ionstall disk

> Martin Krafft, in his book "The Debian System", suggests:
>
> deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free
>
> Both Martin and the installer ought to know, but they don't say quite the
> same thing -- note the '/' (or lack thereof) after debian.org...
>
> Does anyone know for sure what's going on? 

I do hope that someone does and is willing to share the secret!

Lisi

> Is there maybe a bug in one of 
> the apt programs that concatenates stings incorrectly (so the '/' makes a
> difference)? Has something changed since sarge?
>
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Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Tom H]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Friday 14 December 2012 09:06:54 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Jo, 13 dec 12, 20:25:05, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>>
>>> My sources list entry is:
>>> deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
>>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
>>>
>>> As you see, no slash. Aptitude put the slash in.
>>>
>>> But this is now solved anyway. There was a space where none should be.
>>
>> Not according to http://www.debian.org/security/
>>
>> deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
>
> Sorry, Andrei. I don't understand. My sources.list entry is now identical to
> that you offer, (see above), so I can't see what point you are making. I had
> in fact seen the entry you offer on Debian security before I removed the
> extraneous space.

Andrei's making the same point that I made in:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/12/msg00509.html


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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Vi, 14 dec 12, 05:39:56, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> I think I see a common thread in the preseed related problems I've
> been having.
> Who proofreads the Debian documentation? I suspect it tends to be
> the author {as should happen} and other Debian *EXPERTS* {which is a
> too narrow classification}. I had that fallacy  demonstrated over 40
> years ago when I wrote my first test procedure. Corporate policy was
> to have someone unrelated to the project "test the test procedure"
> before giving it to the production test technicians.

Yes, this makes sense.

> I had
> unconsciously written into the procedure my particular path of
> experience. Where should I raise this issue? I occasionally run into
> the same apparent issue with the debian.org website.

If by "raising the issue" you mean do the proof-reading yourself and 
then report problems, by all means, just go ahead. Or, even better, you 
could submit patches.

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Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 14 December 2012 09:06:54 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 13 dec 12, 20:25:05, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > My sources list entry is:
> > deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> > deb-src http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> >
> > As you see, no slash.  Aptitude put the slash in.
> >
> > But this is now solved anyway.  There was a space where none should be.
>
> Not according to http://www.debian.org/security/
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

Sorry, Andrei.  I don't understand.  My sources.list entry is now identical to 
that you offer, (see above), so I can't see what point you are making.  I had 
in fact seen the entry you offer on Debian security before I removed the 
extraneous space.

Lisi


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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Richard Owlett]

Brian wrote:

On Thu 13 Dec 2012 at 07:29:12 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:


When I use it in my preseed.cfg I get an error message.

ERROR MESSAGE TITLE  ---
  Configuring keyboard-configuration
ERROR MESSAGE TEXT   ---
  Please select the layout matching the keyboard for this
machine.

I choose the first of many options and the install proceeds to a
successful conclusion.

What is missing in the preseed.cfg file?


You fail to say which distribution you are using and which preseeding
method is employed.


See first line of my post.


I'll guess at Squeeze for the first omission. For
the second you have Sections B.1.1., B.2.2. and B.2.3. of the manual.


B.1.1. only mention of keyboard related issues is "In order 
to avoid the questions that would normally appear before the 
preseeding occurs, you can start the installer in “auto” 
mode. This delays questions that would normally be asked too 
early for preseeding (i.e. language, country and keyboard 
selection) until after the network comes up, thus allowing 
them to be preseeded. It also runs the installation at 
critical priority, which avoids many unimportant questions."


B.2.2.talks about " Using boot parameters to preseed 
questions" generally but says  *NOTHING* about any values 
for keyboard related parameters.


B.2.3. only mention of keyboard related issues is  "The auto 
boot label is not yet defined everywhere. The same effect 
may be achieved by simply adding the two parameters 
auto=true priority=critical to the kernel command line. The 
auto parameter is an alias for auto-install/enable and 
setting it to true delays the locale and keyboard questions 
until after there has been a chance to preseed them, while 
priority is an alias for debconf/priority and setting it to 
critical stops any questions with a lower priority from 
being asked."




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Re: SOLVED was: Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 14 December 2012 09:56:29 Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * Lisi Reisz  [121214 09:16]:
> > On Wednesday 12 December 2012 21:43:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > For about the last half hour, I have been getting the following errors
> > > when trying first to install, then to repair, amarok-trinity:
>
> ...
>
> > It says:
> > org/ squeeze
> > where it should say
> > org/squeeze
> >
> > I.e. there was an extraneous space.
>
> This is one reason to use a fixed-width font such as courier when
> reading, composing, and editing system files.
>

I do.  But it is not necessarily free from PEBKAC. :-(  The fault was mine, 
not my editor's.

> Proportion sans-serif fonts are notorious not only for the failure to
> clearly indicate spaces, but also for making it almost impossible to
> discern the difference between characters such as the numeral 1 and
> the lower-case letter l, and the numeral 0 and the capital letter O.

Lisi


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Re: Preseeding - keyboard-configuration issue

[Richard Owlett]

Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Jo, 13 dec 12, 07:29:12, Richard Owlett wrote:

http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt [among
several other examples] in part gives


# Keyboard selection.
#d-i console-tools/archs select at
d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select us
d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select us
# Example for a different keyboard architecture
#d-i console-keymaps-usb/keymap select mac-usb-us

...

What is missing in the preseed.cfg file?
TIA


Maybe not missing, but too much. At least since squeeze console and X
are configured in the same place. On a recent wheezy install I see that
only 'd-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap' is used.

Hope this helps,
Andrei



Thanks for the try. That gave identical result. I took your 
suggestion one step further and commented out ALL keyboard 
settings. Got the same result ;/


I think I see a common thread in the preseed related 
problems I've been having.
Who proofreads the Debian documentation? I suspect it tends 
to be the author {as should happen} and other Debian 
*EXPERTS* {which is a too narrow classification}. I had that 
fallacy  demonstrated over 40 years ago when I wrote my 
first test procedure. Corporate policy was to have someone 
unrelated to the project "test the test procedure" before 
giving it to the production test technicians. I had 
unconsciously written into the procedure my particular path 
of experience. Where should I raise this issue? I 
occasionally run into the same apparent issue with the 
debian.org website.






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Re: Problem With exim4 smtp authenication

[Chris Davies]

Thomas H. George  wrote:
> I have edited passwd and entered server:user:password exactly as 
> described in exim4_passwd_client and run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.  
> When I try to send mail using exim4 and then tail /var/log/exim4/mainlog 
> I find authenication has failed.

> 2012-12-03 11:09:02 1TfYZq-000658-2d ** r...@tomgeorge.info R=smarthost 
> T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL 
> FROM: SIZE=1975: host smtpout.where.secureserver.net 
> [64.202.165.69]: 530 authentication required


I'm a bit late to this thread but I think I can see the problem. I've
hit this before and the reason is the little paragraph in the manpage
that states,

Please note that target.mail.server.example is currently the value
that exim can read from reverse DNS: It first follows the host name
of the target system until it finds and IP address, and then looks
up the reverse DNS for that IP address to use the outcome of this
query (or the IP address itself should the query fail) as index
into /etc/exim4/passwd.client.

Based on your logfile, I would hazard that you're trying to authenticate
to smtpout.where.secureserver.net. However, this server has several
IP addresses (well, I've found four so far), and when you find the rDNS
for these servers, it's *these* that need to go into your passwd.client
file.

smtpout.where.secureserver.net ->
173.201.192.229 -> p3plsmtpa07-v01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net
173.201.193.101 -> p3plsmtpa08-v01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net
64.202.165.58   -> smtp.starfieldtech.com
64.202.165.69   -> m1plsmtpa01-v01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net

Chris


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Re: Gnome3 probe

[Alex Mestiashvili]

On 12/14/2012 11:35 AM, phi debian wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> The all thing that make me stay away from suse, ubuntu, mint, name it...
> is gnome3. I am an happy camper since linge with debian way of gnome2.
> 
> My needs are very basic, i.e remove everything, keep only 1 panel that I
> want vertical on and the right, and have the gnome click tools (gparted,
> system setting, administration)
> 
> I hate to an iritating point any wm that knows better than me what is
> good for me, basically, thing that auto maximize, fixed/locked pannels,
> etc, etc... and I hate having to customise things with a huge
> 'registery' like thing, clickin in panel (or drag it) to move it around
> is teh only thing I need.
> 
> And what I hate most, it spending hours, days to customise, having an
> update and tada all custmisation are lost and not redone the same way
> (ubuntu does this)
> 
> So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3,
> are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.
> 
> I need to know to void to press 'yes' on next update.
> 
> If you know what next release will lok like I'd like to know
> Thanx in advance
> And merry Chrismas
> Cheers,
> Phi
> 

Hi,

just search in the list, I've seen a couple of discussions already.

to cut the long story short:

Yes,  Gnome3 will be in Wheezy instead of Gnome2.

close alternatives:
Xfce - worth a try,
Mate - the fork of gnome2 - not in Debian, you'll need to install it
from an external repository.

Regards,
Alex



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Gnome3 probe

[phi debian]

Hi All,

The all thing that make me stay away from suse, ubuntu, mint, name it... is
gnome3. I am an happy camper since linge with debian way of gnome2.

My needs are very basic, i.e remove everything, keep only 1 panel that I
want vertical on and the right, and have the gnome click tools (gparted,
system setting, administration)

I hate to an iritating point any wm that knows better than me what is good
for me, basically, thing that auto maximize, fixed/locked pannels, etc,
etc... and I hate having to customise things with a huge 'registery' like
thing, clickin in panel (or drag it) to move it around is teh only thing I
need.

And what I hate most, it spending hours, days to customise, having an
update and tada all custmisation are lost and not redone the same way
(ubuntu does this)

So my question, does next release of debian will be poluted with gnome3,
are will we have a choice? Even a dangled gnome2 would be good for me.

I need to know to void to press 'yes' on next update.

If you know what next release will lok like I'd like to know
Thanx in advance
And merry Chrismas
Cheers,
Phi

Re: SOLVED was: Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Russell L. Harris]

* Lisi Reisz  [121214 09:16]:
> On Wednesday 12 December 2012 21:43:38 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > For about the last half hour, I have been getting the following errors when
> > trying first to install, then to repair, amarok-trinity:
... 
> It says:
> org/ squeeze
> where it should say 
> org/squeeze
> 
> I.e. there was an extraneous space.

This is one reason to use a fixed-width font such as courier when
reading, composing, and editing system files.

Proportion sans-serif fonts are notorious not only for the failure to
clearly indicate spaces, but also for making it almost impossible to
discern the difference between characters such as the numeral 1 and
the lower-case letter l, and the numeral 0 and the capital letter O.

RH


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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Florian Ernst]

Hello all,

just a rather minor nitpick amidst fine explanations:

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:21:56AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> [...]
> Compare 'apt-cache depends ia32-libs-i386' with the dependencies of the 
> i386 package.
> 
> The new ia32-libs (transition package) indirectly (via ia32-libs-i386) 
> depends on *all* 32bit libraries previously contained in ia32-libs.

Actually, some LDAP libraries the old-style ia32-libs used to depend on
have been downgraded to a mere Recommends in order to avoid confusing
debconf question on new installations. For details, see
.

The corresponding changelog entry mentions:
"if you need them you should know about them anyway". :)

> It's 
> possible you don't need them all, and even if you did, the direct 
> dependency is usually better.

True. True.

Cheers,
Flo


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Re: multiarch - please do not force users to change a running system!

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 13 dec 12, 22:59:30, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 12/13/2012 01:51 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >On Mi, 12 dec 12, 23:03:54, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> >>Citrix is the holdback requiring me to have ia32-libs installed.
> >Take the i386 package instead ;)
> >
> Wont that need the 32-bit libraries as well?  What would be the 
> advantage.

Compare 'apt-cache depends ia32-libs-i386' with the dependencies of the 
i386 package.

The new ia32-libs (transition package) indirectly (via ia32-libs-i386) 
depends on *all* 32bit libraries previously contained in ia32-libs. It's 
possible you don't need them all, and even if you did, the direct 
dependency is usually better.

Consider a case of a 32bit-only application depending only on libsqlite. 
With the i386 package you would have this:

Package: foo:i386
Depends: libsqlite3-0:i386

With the amd64 package you would have this:

Package: foo:amd64
Depends: ia32-libs:amd64

Package: ia32-libs:amd64
Depends: ia32-libs-i386:i386

Package: ia32-libs-i386:i386
Depends: libsqlite3-0:i386, [another *116* libraries]

Which one do you think is more robust and brings in less dependencies?

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Re: 404 errors with Squeeze security

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Jo, 13 dec 12, 20:25:05, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> My sources list entry is:
> deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
> 
> As you see, no slash.  Aptitude put the slash in.  
> 
> But this is now solved anyway.  There was a space where none should be.

Not according to http://www.debian.org/security/

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

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Re: pmount-hal not using labels on encrypted filesystems

[Aidan Gauland]

Michael Biebl  writes:
> On 14.12.2012 05:06, Aidan Gauland wrote:
>> How can I fix this?  Given that HAL is deprecated, I suspect there is
>> some other tool that serves the same purpose as pmount-hal that I should
>> be using instead.
>
> yeah, hal is dead.
> You might try "udisks --mount" instead.

I get
Mount failed: Not a mountable file system
It seems that udisks does not handle encrypted partitions.


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