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Hi Russell: I think your second quote is a little off.. should read... take it away... see attached picture Thomas Jefferson Garrett / AA0OI From: Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:17:23 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Dave I was seeing some one but unable to decode them I was set on 63 and sample rate at 8000 I will keep trying Russell 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net wrote: From: Dave 'Doc' Corio dco...@zitomedia.net Subject: RE: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:05 PM Copy you 599 Russell, but guess you aren't hearing me 73 Dave KB3MOW -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Russell Blair Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:44 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 Well I cant help you on 3.587 in Texas 80m is dead but I'm on 14.079 calling CQ CSMK63 tone 1000 for the next hour. Russell NC5O 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Gerald Ford IN GOD WE TRUST Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 BARTG #8457 --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no wrote: From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Subject: Re: [digitalradio] CMSK63 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:34 PM Hi all I am calling cq on 3587 1000Hz usb right now . la5vna Steinar On 25.08.2010 17:57, my_call_is_ac4m wrote: I will be on 80m tonight using CMSK63 then switching to 31 after contact just to see for myself how well this mode does under noisy conditions I will be active on 3.587 tone frequency at 0100z but I have a few question does his software have Macro commands like other software? And what is up with the sample rate control? Is that for TX offsets?
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
SO ! that whats in my swimming pool.. I'll have to add more chlorine.. Garrett / AA0OI From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:58:44 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Enough of this juvenile garbage. Amateur radio in the US is governed by regulations to which we agree to abide when we are granted a license. These regulations are particularly important in amateur radio because we all share one set of frequencies. These regulations are not perfect; in particular, the regulation constraining Spread Spectrum usage is insufficiently precise, and as a result precludes the use of techniques on HF that the FCC would likely approve given a competent exposition. In this situation, an amateur radio operator interested in using these techniques on HF should hold off until the regulation has been changed to permit their use, contributing to or leading the effort to change the regulation if capable. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking the FCC for their view of whether a particular mode or technique is legal under the current regulations. The knowledge that many amateurs are confused about what constitutes Spread Spectrum should if anything make the FCC more receptive to a proposal to clarify the regulation. The claim that asking the FCC a question can kill amateur radio is amazingly ridiculous; asking the FCC a question is more likely to teleport the Loch Ness Monster into your swimming pool than kill amateur radio. Unlike broadcast television stations, amateur radio operators don't individually negotiate their licenses with the FCC. Thus the comments below regarding regulations being trumped by station permits negotiated by attorneys is completely irrelevant. The nasty name-calling that appears below and in previous posts today is flat-out unacceptable. Were I moderator of this group, the offending parties would be long gone. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:digitalradi o...@yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of W2XJ Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:10 PM To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Skip if you call this a regulation, I agree with Garret. It is a misguided one and a victim of unintended consequences. The whole discussion is stupid and you, Skip, are too anal retentive. I work in broadcast and there are many un-updated FCC regulations that the commission subsequently licenses in a manner contrary to their own rules. Look at the FCC definition of translator and then tell me how under the letter of the law how AM and HD-2 and HD-3 stations can legally use that service. Regardless stations get legal permits every day. Washington is a town of double and denial speak, the rules mean next to nothing in many cases. What your communications attorney can wring out of them is all that counts. It is whiners like you that damage the system. Ham radio is supposed to be self regulating which means please do not disturb the FCC. I guess you still do not get it. People like you will kill this hobby. On 7/19/10 8:56 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast. net wrote: Just use common sense.. Garrett / AA0OI Common sense says follow the regulations, because they were made for the benefit of everyone, and not just for what a few who would like to do what they wish without regard for others that want to use the bands. Regulations are not guide lines - they are LAW for the benefit of all. Band plans are guide lines, not regulations. What may seen nit picking to you may seem necessary to others. The regulations are a great balancing act to both protect and enable as many users to be treated as fairly as possible. 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 8:42 PM, AA0OI wrote: The rules and regulations are a guide line they were never meant to be written on 2 stone tablets and prayed to on the seventh day.. if everyone followed every little nit picking rule and regulation the world would come to a stand still.. (the government told Wilbur and Orville that they were forbidden to fly) I'm sure everyone drives the speed limit too.. Just use common sense.. Garrett / AA0OI From:John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river. net To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all along... NO FCC at my door,, NO FBI,, NO KGB.. You are all fighting for something that no one cares
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
Just because the Government has written it down on paper, does not make it right.. And not to start another argument, but incase you haven't noticed we've lost control of our Government and that includes the FCC Garrett / AA0OI From: James Hall hall.jam...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 10:17:08 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Apparently it's perfectly fine to break the rules because what the big bad government doesn't know won't hurt them. At least according to some people. I wonder if anyone making that flim-flam argument frequents the W6NUT repeater. Wouldn't surprise me in the least. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:15 PM, J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com wrote: I agree that traditional SS spread across a very large portion of the band would be bad here in the US if a lot of stations were using it at once. ROS, though we know it's not as good as several other modes, is not that kind of SS. It has limited bandwidth, not much different from a number of other modes, and the ban against it doesn't make sense. So I don't agree with the FCC approach to their regulations, where they ban how the intelligence is transmitted rather than the bandwidth the signal occupies. At the same time, I just can't believe some of my fellow countrymen who think it's ok to pick and choose which rules you'll follow. If you don't like the rules against petty theft, do you just steal? The right way is to campaign to get the rules you don't like changed, and until you do, follow them. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: KH6TY To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread spectrum above 222 Mhz (where there is plenty of room!). A single spread spectrum signal on HF may go unnoticed by most stations, but what happens if 100 (in range) are on at the same time? The statistical chances that where will be QRM on your frequency are much higher, the more stations that are on. Our bands have very limited spectrum, and therefore it is up to all of us to cooperate in using the least bandwidth that will do the job. Perhaps it has been forgotten that five years ago, it was the practice for a single wideband Pactor-II mailbox to obliterate the entire PSK31 segment of the 20m band, displacing as many as 30 PSK31 stations. It was only after much discussion that the Pactor mailboxes agreed to move elsewhere. However there remains a Canadian Pactor-III automatic (not listening first) mailbox station just below 14.070 that makes that area unusable by anyone else. The FCC regulations in the US do not allow US Pactor-III mailboxes to operate there, but, without consideration to others, the Canadian Pactor-III station (just across the border) just dominates that frequency at will when it could just as well operate in the automatic subbands with all the other Pactor-III mailboxes. This is a good example of not getting along with your neighbors! The FCC rules may seem unfair, and I am sure SOME are unfair, but there is a process of amendment that insures fair access by all parties, as best can be done. So, if you do not agree with the FCC rules (that PROTECT as well as hinder), take the step of filing a petition to amend the rules and make your case, but do not disregard the current rules because you think they are unfair, because others may not think the same, and they may be harmed by your breaking the rules. We all have to try to get along, and the best way to do that is to observe the local regulations, which have been made for the benefit of the many and not just for the benefit of the select few. If the regulations really deserve to be changed, make your case and let the process of public comment by ALL concerned parties determine what should be done. The FCC makes regulations only for the public benefit, and only after giving everyone a chance to comment. 73, Skip KH6TY
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No eveyone is Leonardo DaVinchi, or me ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 5:45:34 AM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The inventor is an idiot … not cause he invented the mode nor cause he said it is spread spectrum Bur because he still hold on the software that does send the false autogenerated spots
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA
That right they would.. I hold a Exta Class ham license I hold Commercial Pilots License, single engine land , multi engine land , Insturment rated, CFI, CFII, Multi Engine Instructor. with over 20,000 hrs I hold a Captians Liscense for over 600,000 tons I Owned my own company teaching backpacking and wilderness survival. in Colorado I'm a marksman with a pistol at 100 ft and rifle to 1000 yards.. What you done with your life? Garrett / AA0OI From: k8yzk k8...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:30:59 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Sounds like a LID response. Channel 19 is 27.185 Mhz, I am sure the will welcome you back. Kurt K8YZK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, AA0OI aa...@... wrote: Spoken like a good Nazi Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@... To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:18:24 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA If I print any ham in the U.S. transmitting via the ROS mode I'm going to call Laura Smith of the FCC and give her the callsign of the offender. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@... PODXS 070 Club #349 Feld Hell Club #141 30 Meter Digital Group #691 Digital Modes Club #1243 WARC Bands Century Club #20 NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
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Dave: Very good,, I could have done worse and call him O'Bama ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Dave Cole d...@nk7z.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 7:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA BINGO!!! I invoke Godwin's Law!!! See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Dave NK7Z On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:56:58 -0700 (PDT) AA0OI aa...@yahoo.com thus spake: Spoken like a good Nazi Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:18:24 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA If I print any ham in the U.S. transmitting via the ROS mode I'm going to call Laura Smith of the FCC and give her the callsign of the offender. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@tampabay.rr.com PODXS 070 Club #349 Feld Hell Club #141 30 Meter Digital Group #691 Digital Modes Club #1243 WARC Bands Century Club #20 NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
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HiSigi: The thing is it would take some Washington Idiot a total of 5 min to sit down an say,, Yes you can use it, or No you can not But nothing in Washington takes 5 min.. Garrett / AA0OI From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:40:37 AM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA Subject says operating ros in usa …. And the discussion was long enough So godwin is right hi hi Can we now come back to the topic?? I found it very bad that you come from digital radio to historical politics but maybe godwin IS RIGHT with his law Greetz Sigi
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I wasn't alway this way,, and someday we'll have to take it back !! Garrett / AA0OI From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:43:53 AM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! And not to start another argument, but incase you haven't noticed we've lost control of our Government and that includes the FCC Snip…… Is there ANY country in the world where the people have control over their government?? ? Where can I get a flight ticket to there?? Just kidding
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Andy asked me not to call you a Nazi,, that it was personal,, so I retract it,,, You O'bama You. Thomas Jefferson said, that at some time our government would become so out of hand that we the people would have to take back control of it.. (The second amendment ain't about hunting) Sit back and make yourself comfortable,, just keep following the rules, right or wrong.. We the People will try to correct the problems. When you follow the laws blindly, your no long a citizen of the country, your a citizen of the government,, which are you??. Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:47:43 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Garrett /AA0OI said Spoken like a good Nazi NZ4O says it's all about obeying the law. The Nazi's did not obey the law and it was their downfall. Garrett /AA0OI said What happened to the real Americans ??? NZ4O says real American's used to obey the law. As a society we are no longer doing that and it's one of the reasons that America is in total societal collapse. NZ4O says my post was tongue in cheek but I forgot to add the smiley face. :)) 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@tampabay.rr.com PODXS 070 Club #349 Feld Hell Club #141 30 Meter Digital Group #691 Digital Modes Club #1243 WARC Bands Century Club #20 NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
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You'd better care about our politics,, if we go under, so does the rest of the world ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 9:24:46 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Can we PLEASE dispense with the dick waving contests, and the political rhetoric. Believe it or not, the rest of the world cares little for your politics. Can we please get back to ham radio? VE3BDR From: AA0OI Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Andy asked me not to call you a Nazi,, that it was personal,, so I retract it,,, You O'bama You. Thomas Jefferson said, that at some time our government would become so out of hand that we the people would have to take back control of it.. (The second amendment ain't about hunting) Sit back and make yourself comfortable, , just keep following the rules, right or wrong.. We the People will try to correct the problems. When you follow the laws blindly, your no long a citizen of the country, your a citizen of the government,, which are you??. Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay. rr.com To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:47:43 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Garrett /AA0OI said Spoken like a good Nazi NZ4O says it's all about obeying the law. The Nazi's did not obey the law and it was their downfall. Garrett /AA0OI said What happened to the real Americans ??? NZ4O says real American's used to obey the law. As a society we are no longer doing that and it's one of the reasons that America is in total societal collapse. NZ4O says my post was tongue in cheek but I forgot to add the smiley face. :)) 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@tampabay. rr.com PODXS 070 Club #349 Feld Hell Club #141 30 Meter Digital Group #691 Digital Modes Club #1243 WARC Bands Century Club #20 NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o. org - - -- http://www.obriensw eb.com/digispott er.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook .com/pages/ digitalradio/ 123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.839 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3017 - Release Date: 07/20/10 02:36:00
Re: AW: AW: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA
Hi Sigi: It once was a nice place,, but is falling apart quickly ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Siegfried Jackstien siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 10:03:06 AM Subject: AW: AW: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA They would say … you know the rules and you have to follow the rules The thing is … who has to make the technical decision if ros is spread spectrum so forbidden in us (answer: the user) Next thing is … is ros really ss??? What I know about ss is sender and receiver are spreading the data very wide Factor 10 is minimum to say it is ss but normally far more is used In ros the spreading factor is very small … and so it looks more like mfsk on the air For me as I am no professional in data transmissions it looks like it is afsk (like many other soundcard modes) Does the ham need to have the knowledge how the tones are calculated?? ? If the tones are spread spectrum or not?? What about digital sstv modes?? How can a user know if the used bandwith is (much) more as needed?? Any fec mode uses more bw or more time as needed for a non fec transmission Why not just modify the rules a bit Frequency hopping or wide spread spectrum only above 220 And the narrowband ss modes like ros and all other modes (incl. chip, Olivia and similar) can be used on shortwave if the bw is lower as 3kc (like her in dl)…..surely with sdr wider ss modes could be used … but not allowed Synced frequency hopping with sdr would also be possible … but not allowed Just say … any mode bw 3kc ….(exceptions possible like 0.5kc on 30m or historical am transmissions) That would be easy All modes should be free available to anybody (so fcc cia mi6 etc can download the soft and use it too) Modes where you need special hardware are only allowed if the developer also gives a free software solution (for receive only) (hello d-star, hello scs) ….for monitoring Think about changing your rules is easier as trying to tel ros is not ss …. Cause next new mode will come soon … and story returns … so change your laws in us 73 Sigi Ps: I am glad that I live not in the land of freedom hi hi J
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right, I still can't copy over 63 wpm code and that I learned in 1971.. Garrett / AA0OI From: k8yzk k8...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 1:47:02 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Well with everything you hold and a $1 you can buy a cup of coffee at Mac's. I hold a Extra Class and been licensed since 1966 when you did not have to memorize the test, and had to know Morse Code. I am retired army, I have shot everything from 45 cal up to a 109MM. I am qualified with pistols also, big deal.. I don't fly so you got me there. So run ros and see where it goes. Oh one thing is I don't have to brag about what I can do, if you don't agree with the FCC why not petition for them to change it, Kurt SSG US Army (Retired) K8YZK (Ex WN8VBX,WA8VBX,HL9JB,XW8GW,DA1UE,DA2VC) --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, AA0OI aa...@... wrote: That right they would.. I hold a Exta Class ham license I hold Commercial Pilots License, single engine land , multi engine land , Insturment rated, CFI, CFII, Multi Engine Instructor. with over 20,000 hrs I hold a Captians Liscense for over 600,000 tons I Owned my own company teaching backpacking and wilderness survival. in Colorado I'm a marksman with a pistol at 100 ft and rifle to 1000 yards.. What you done with your life? Garrett / AA0OI From: k8yzk k8...@... To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 6:30:59 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA  Sounds like a LID response. Channel 19 is 27.185 Mhz, I am sure the will welcome you back. Kurt K8YZK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, AA0OI aa0oi@ wrote: Spoken like a good Nazi  Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O nz4o@ To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:18:24 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA If I print any ham in the U.S. transmitting via the ROS mode I'm going to call Laura Smith of the FCC and give her the callsign of the offender. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA nz4o@ PODXS 070 Club #349 Feld Hell Club #141 30 Meter Digital Group #691 Digital Modes Club #1243 WARC Bands Century Club #20 NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
WOMEN ?! Garrett / AA0OI From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 2:21:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject and get back to interesting DIGITAL RADIO that this reflector's name indicates..? ? I am wearing out my delete key on the daily mess of crap about ROS...?? There HAS to be something more interesting to talk about then ROS on a daily basis..? de Ted -- W7RHB _ _ _ _ _ ___ Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat!
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Jeff: Aren't you glad that our forefathers didn't feel that way about freedom from the British ! Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc,,, I'd be in good company Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 12:32:53 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The definition given although likely accurate is not relevent to the discussion because it's NOT the definition used by the FCC. Although none of us (US hams) are going to be deported to Siberia (unless there's some sort of agreement between the US and USSR that I'm not aware of), we CAN be fined $10,000 and lose our licenses for violating the law. It' just not worth it to most of us. There are some that are dumb enough to push the issue, the smart ones work to try and get the law changed. All it takes is ONE person to screw it up for ALL of us. I don't intend to be that person. :-) Jeff -- KE7ACY CN94 - Original Message - From: g4ilo --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, J. Moen j...@... wrote: Your definition might be called what good SS is and the way ROS does SS might be called what bad SS is. But how wide is PSK31? Is ROS wider? So ROS is wider than needed to convey intelligence. So is RTTY. But it isn't SS. Your point is well taken, but not relevant to people under the FCC's jurisdiction. I don't see why not, actually. I understand from these posts that it is the individual American ham's responsibility to determine whether anything they do complies with the regulations. The fact that someone asked for guidance and received an answer that many believe to be wrong doesn't change that. IF someone got a knock on the door for using the ROS mode then I would have thought citing that formula as justification for believing the mode they were using was not SS would be a valid response. The onus would then be on the FCC/whoever to produce a valid counter argument. The fact that the mode was once described as SS by a non native English speaker could easily and plausibly be explained as a mistranslation. Not that I have any interest at all in encouraging use of the ROS mode! But why are you all so worked up over this? It is the USA not Soviet Russia, you aren't going to end up in Siberia are you? Julian, G4ILO
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Julian: I apologize for my county men,, forgive them for they know not what they ARE TALKING about. If they would all just shut up and use it,, NO ONE,, including the Federal Communist Committee, would even care.. Lately my country men seem to like to start wars that we can not win.. (we weren't always like this) Garrett / AA0OI From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:51:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Alan Beagley ajbeag...@... wrote: But the FCC has already written -- according to a document I found the other day but can't be bothered to look for again now -- words to the effect that the inventor says it's spread spectrum, and he should know what it is he invented, so therefore it's illegal on HF. I thought what they gave was an opinion, which is really no more valid than yours or mine if it's still ultimately your responsibility to decide what's legal and what's not. Whilst I can understand the cautious wanting to take what they said at face value, I really can't imagine they would come down on anyone who had sound technical grounds for believing that they are wrong, but perhaps I don't understand how things work in the US. ISTM that the only way to get around that one is to claim that the inventor is an idiot. Or perhaps that he was trying to big-note himself. The inventor is an idiot, but not for that reason. The fact that he originally described it as SS doesn't mean that he meant what the FCC understood by the term SS. Anyway it's up to you guys. This argument keeps on going round and round in circles without my help. Julian, G4ILO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all along... NO FCC at my door,, NO FBI,, NO KGB.. You are all fighting for something that no one cares about.. Cross all the T's and Dot all the I's--- but the key is NO ONE is looking to see if its been done.. And ANYONE who puts Our Freedom and Absurd in the same sentence needs to move to Iraq.. see if they agree with you ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! A smart man picks his fights carefully. Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd. Jeff -- KE7ACY - Original Message - From: AA0OI Julian: I apologize for my county men,, forgive them for they know not what they ARE TALKING about. If they would all just shut up and use it,, NO ONE,, including the Federal Communist Committee, would even care.. Lately my country men seem to like to start wars that we can not win.. (we weren't always like this) Garrett / AA0OI From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:51:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Alan Beagley ajbeag...@.. . wrote: But the FCC has already written -- according to a document I found the other day but can't be bothered to look for again now -- words to the effect that the inventor says it's spread spectrum, and he should know what it is he invented, so therefore it's illegal on HF. I thought what they gave was an opinion, which is really no more valid than yours or mine if it's still ultimately your responsibility to decide what's legal and what's not. Whilst I can understand the cautious wanting to take what they said at face value, I really can't imagine they would come down on anyone who had sound technical grounds for believing that they are wrong, but perhaps I don't understand how things work in the US. ISTM that the only way to get around that one is to claim that the inventor is an idiot. Or perhaps that he was trying to big-note himself. The inventor is an idiot, but not for that reason. The fact that he originally described it as SS doesn't mean that he meant what the FCC understood by the term SS. Anyway it's up to you guys. This argument keeps on going round and round in circles without my help. Julian, G4ILO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
no,but if I did ,, no one except nit pickers would care. Garrett / AA0OI From: bg...@comcast.net bg...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! pse speak clearly into your computer have you ever operated in a digital mode on hf with a wider bandwidth than a voice signal? - Original Message - From: AA0OI aa...@yahoo. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:48:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all along... NO FCC at my door,, NO FBI,, NO KGB.. You are all fighting for something that no one cares about.. Cross all the T's and Dot all the I's--- but the key is NO ONE is looking to see if its been done.. And ANYONE who puts Our Freedom and Absurd in the same sentence needs to move to Iraq.. see if they agree with you ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! A smart man picks his fights carefully. Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd. Jeff -- KE7ACY - Original Message - From: AA0OI Julian: I apologize for my county men,, forgive them for they know not what they ARE TALKING about. If they would all just shut up and use it,, NO ONE,, including the Federal Communist Committee, would even care.. Lately my country men seem to like to start wars that we can not win.. (we weren't always like this) Garrett / AA0OI From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:51:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Alan Beagley ajbeag...@.. . wrote: But the FCC has already written -- according to a document I found the other day but can't be bothered to look for again now -- words to the effect that the inventor says it's spread spectrum, and he should know what it is he invented, so therefore it's illegal on HF. I thought what they gave was an opinion, which is really no more valid than yours or mine if it's still ultimately your responsibility to decide what's legal and what's not. Whilst I can understand the cautious wanting to take what they said at face value, I really can't imagine they would come down on anyone who had sound technical grounds for believing that they are wrong, but perhaps I don't understand how things work in the US. ISTM that the only way to get around that one is to claim that the inventor is an idiot. Or perhaps that he was trying to big-note himself. The inventor is an idiot, but not for that reason. The fact that he originally described it as SS doesn't mean that he meant what the FCC understood by the term SS. Anyway it's up to you guys. This argument keeps on going round and round in circles without my help. Julian, G4ILO
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
The rules and regulations are a guide line they were never meant to be written on 2 stone tablets and prayed to on the seventh day.. if everyone followed every little nit picking rule and regulation the world would come to a stand still.. (the government told Wilbur and Orville that they were forbidden to fly) I'm sure everyone drives the speed limit too.. Just use common sense.. Garrett / AA0OI From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all along... NO FCC at my door,, NO FBI,, NO KGB.. You are all fighting for something that no one cares about.. Cross all the T's and Dot all the I's--- but the key is NO ONE is looking to see if its been done.. And ANYONE who puts Our Freedom and Absurd in the same sentence needs to move to Iraq.. see if they agree with you ! Garrett / AA0OI12c1104.jpg
Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !
sorry, your not worth answering.. and check back about 2 weeks ago when I said, ..Let it die Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! You've now gone over the deep end! This thread needed to die a long time ago. You want to risk your license - go right ahead! When you lose it or get a nice hefty fine for being stupid - I'll be LMAO! As for freedom and IRAQ, you comparing this discussion to the fight for freedom anywhere IS absurd -- grow up! Jeff -- KE7ACY - Original Message - From: AA0OI What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all along... NO FCC at my door,, NO FBI,, NO KGB.. You are all fighting for something that no one cares about.. Cross all the T's and Dot all the I's--- but the key is NO ONE is looking to see if its been done.. And ANYONE who puts Our Freedom and Absurd in the same sentence needs to move to Iraq.. see if they agree with you ! Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! A smart man picks his fights carefully. Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd. Jeff -- KE7ACY - Original Message - From: AA0OI Julian: I apologize for my county men,, forgive them for they know not what they ARE TALKING about. If they would all just shut up and use it,, NO ONE,, including the Federal Communist Committee, would even care.. Lately my country men seem to like to start wars that we can not win.. (we weren't always like this) Garrett / AA0OI From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo. com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 4:51:38 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Alan Beagley ajbeag...@.. . wrote: But the FCC has already written -- according to a document I found the other day but can't be bothered to look for again now -- words to the effect that the inventor says it's spread spectrum, and he should know what it is he invented, so therefore it's illegal on HF. I thought what they gave was an opinion, which is really no more valid than yours or mine if it's still ultimately your responsibility to decide what's legal and what's not. Whilst I can understand the cautious wanting to take what they said at face value, I really can't imagine they would come down on anyone who had sound technical grounds for believing that they are wrong, but perhaps I don't understand how things work in the US. ISTM that the only way to get around that one is to claim that the inventor is an idiot. Or perhaps that he was trying to big-note himself. The inventor is an idiot, but not for that reason. The fact that he originally described it as SS doesn't mean that he meant what the FCC understood by the term SS. Anyway it's up to you guys. This argument keeps on going round and round in circles without my help. Julian, G4ILO
Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA
Spoken like a good Nazi Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:18:24 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA If I print any ham in the U.S. transmitting via the ROS mode I'm going to call Laura Smith of the FCC and give her the callsign of the offender. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O Lakeland, FL, USA n...@tampabay.rr.com PODXS 070 Club #349 Feld Hell Club #141 30 Meter Digital Group #691 Digital Modes Club #1243 WARC Bands Century Club #20 NZ4O Amateur SWL Autobiography: http://www.nz4o.org http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook= http://www.facebook.com/pages/digitalradio/123270301037522 Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA
Thank you Andy,, I'm not a chicken, never have been ,, never will be.. I'm also not a little rat that runs to government and whines like a mule.. Such a sad state.. What happened to the real Americans ??? Garrett / AA0OI From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:26:02 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA actually, this could be a good development because I still have a funny feeling that they would balk at the idea of calling it illegal. I don't use the mode because I am chicken, but there are still many in the USA that do. Andy K3UK On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: If I print any ham in the U.S. transmitting via the ROS mode I'm going to call Laura Smith of the FCC and give her the callsign of the offender. 73 GUD DX, Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O
Re: [digitalradio] Re: New to SSTV
Hi Jerry: there is activity on 7.173 all day long starting about 8am cst and going to 5 or 6 pm at night..(depends on when the European station start coming in--- they pretty much don't care who they step on-- of course some just don't hear so well,, (kind of like contesters)) Band is in bad shape right now and hope it will open up later this afternoon... Garrett / AA0OI From: Jerry W k0hzi...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 11:22:07 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New to SSTV --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, AA0OI aa...@... wrote: HI Bob: That LSB on 40 usb on 20.. a bunch in there on 40 right now Garrett / AA0OI What is the best time CDST, day/night to look for digital sstv activity on 7173? Thanks, Jerry - K0HZI
Re: [digitalradio] fldigi 3.12.4 and IC-746
Boy I can't wait to hear the answer to this,, as mine does the same thing,, except I have rigblaster pro and ft 990.. I have tried every combination.. But have no problem with MixW, Easypal, and 26 other digi programs.. Garrett / AA0OI From: jclindsayca jcl...@sentex.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:14:17 PM Subject: [digitalradio] fldigi 3.12.4 and IC-746 I am trying to set up Fldigi in a winxp computer. I have an IC-746 connected to a Rigblaster Pro and to my computer. If I go into config and select rig control and try hardware control, select rts/dtr, device on com 1. Try initialize, my PTT on the RB lights and the rig goes into transmit. Similarly RigCtrl using the IC-746 xml file, try different selections (com2 does not key ptt/radio) initialize keys RB and radio. Also hamlib does the same. If I try to use the program to send something I hear the audio but the RB does not key nor does the radio go into transmit. I also have winpskse available and the settings are 'ptt via com port with com 1 selected' The RB PTT lights up and the radio transmits. I must be missing something on FLdigi but what? the frequency also stays at 3580.00 and I am unable to change the 'no rig selected' above the frequency. Any suggestions? ? John ve3sjv
Re: [digitalradio] New to SSTV
Hi Bob: on the laptop right now so can look up what you are (gen,avd,extra) but there is alway a group on 7.173 all day ,,, everyday from sun up to sun down.. also google W3WVG and get add on programs for easypal including digisites.. you can monitor your own pictures received by other people over the internet.. Garrett / AA0OI From: AD5VJ Bob rt...@sbcglobal.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 1:17:58 AM Subject: [digitalradio] New to SSTV I just downloaded and installed EasyPal and after a few hours have the code for PTT figured out and have it working from what I can tell on my dummy load. Is there anyone on the group that would meet me on a frequency so I could test it out over the air tonight? Bob AD5VJ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: SSTV
Most QRM in SStv or Digital SSTV is caused by contesters.. Most of whom are running splits and not listening to both freqs..The other is tuner-up-ers who do not know what a SSTV or Digital SSTV signal sounds like, so they just thing they are tuning up on a bunch of noise... The third is just plain QRM'ers who do it for lack of brains.. Trust me on this one,, we deal with it everyday on 7.173 Garrett / AA0OI From: marc p...@hotmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:43:36 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: SSTV Kevin wrote: snip Which begs one more question, DO you CQ with SSTV or by phone? Now that's good one... ;-) as always one should ask on phone if the frequency is in use, and thus one could/should call CQ one phone as well. The fact is that most of the QRM is caused by people who call CQ in SSTV without receiving an ongoing QSO or a countrymen that is also CQ-ing (whom they don't hear). See Nils' (SM5EEP) article on QRM Free Analogic SSTV http://web.telia. com/~u22314111/ qrm.htm
Re: [digitalradio] RESOLVED : : Broken PC question
Hi Andy: I won't tie up the group with this,, but I have several computers ( Pent 4's 2.8 and 3.0) with xp and all the ham programs on them.. Up and running and in good shape. ( if you are interested contact me off group at aa...@yahoo.com ) Very cheap ( 150.00 and shipping) These are not the junk you can buy in stores,, I build them myself.. I just keep upgrading every couple of months.. working on a new i7 motherboard and processor running Windows System 7 beta.. If I can help.. Garrett / AA0OI From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:15:18 AM Subject: [digitalradio] RESOLVED : : Broken PC question Thanks John, I did as you suggested, the CPU fan was always active. It now works, having checked all obvious items, and with nothing to lose, I did the best trick known to hams...I gave a BIG wiggle on the video cable at the PC connector and after about a minute of wiggling, akin to just banging it ! I got a signal! Andy K3UK On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM, John Taylor ke5h...@taylorent. com wrote: Andy, this sounds more like the power connection between the power supply and the motherboard is loose. Each of the devices you mention gets power through a separate cable and can mechanically operate regardless of the motherboard status. If the motherboard is not getting power, the onboard video will not be powered, therefore leaving no signal from the video board. One thing to check is to see if any of the devices receiving power from the motherboard directly rather than from the power supply are functioning. One of the common items is the CPU fan. Is the CPU cooling fan operating? If not, there is a chance the connector supplying power to the motherboard is loose or disconnected. On older machines, this is actually two connectors, but on most later ones, it is known as an ATX connector and is all in one connector. Make sure it is latched down with the clip on the side. Make sure none of the pins on the motherboard did not become unsoldered or broken loose from the motherboard from the shock of the fall (or the sudden stop at the bottom of the fall). John - KE5HAM --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Andy obrien k3uka...@.. . wrote: Hmmm, I switched monitors and monitor cables to ones that are known to be working...NO signal to the monitor at all. The monitor is working, just no signal. The PC turns on, the CD ROM drive opens and closes upon pressing the button , so something on the PC is working. Since the video is on the motherboard I am not sure if there is anything to poke and prod, nothing obvious anyway. I wiggled the monitor connector to no avail. Maybe I'll pick up a cheap video grahics card and see if that will work, knowing my luck it may not work until I get inside the BIOS and switch from the onboard video to PCI card. I'd be really stuck then. Mayne I'll remove the HD and stick in another PC. Andy K3UK On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andy obrien k3uka...@.. . wrote: Thanks for the suggestions, I suspect a monitor related issue. I just put in a Linux boot disk (FL-Digi) and I do not even get a signal to the monitor, nothing displayed at all, same when i try to boot the HD with Windows XP. . The video is on the motherboard so there is no video CARD to reseat. I'm going to switch video cables and see if it is a cable issue. Andy K3UK On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Andrew es...@... wrote: Andy, I would suggest reseating (thats seat not set!) all the cards, especially the memory chips. Had that one before myself. If that fails I would guess the HD might has taken the knock. Andrew LY/ES2DY --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Andrew O'Brien k3ukandy@ wrote: Please excuse the non-radio question... We have a PC that just stopped working, looking for some possible ideas. The PC (a desk top) was knocked over by a frustrated teenager , when plugged back in the power light comes back on but nothing is seen by the monitor , no Windows attempting to boot or anything, no beep codes. The fans are going, I do not see the HD LED light up, and after a few seconds at boot-up, I hear a slight click like the HD is trying without success. If the HD has gone kaput, would I not get some indication from the PC rather than just nothing at all ? Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: 14092 USB for PSK31while Chinese jammer is on
Hi Dick: Just to let you know we get the same Chinees station in here on 7.173 every afternoon at 4pm CST. this goes on almost everyday.. I'm pretty sure its the same one... Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: kc4cop996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 6, 2008 2:06:51 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: 14092 USB for PSK31while Chinese jammer is on I must have missed a lot while my email client has been down. How has the interfering been identified as coming from China?- Dick kc4cop -- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, expeditionradio expeditionradio@ ... wrote: May I suggest a temporary alternate frequency for PSK31 while the Chinese jam 14070? 14092.0 kHz USB If past history of the Chinese Firedrake Jammer is any indication, we can look forward to many more days or months of jamming on 14070. They jammed 18160kHz (+/- 10kHz) for about a year before moving eventually to another frequency. 73 Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Hi Frank: VISTA is dead, read artical in Maxium PC, US government will not use it and MS has advanced the release date of System 7 to 2009 ( a year earlier than planed).. But Vista is such a bust ( 20% slower than XP that they are going to let it die the slow death). The best way IS ( as you said) to build your ouwn machine.. Really not that hard. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Tooner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:37:04 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, wa0elm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop, and I can't find anything that doesn't come with Vista. Is anyone having success running digital software Hey Eric, I'm using Vista here (64-bit if that matters) and have had zero problems running MultiPSK, MixW or (my favorite, and free!) Digital Master 780 (Comes with Ham Radio Deluxe, see link below.) I've also had only minor problems with other common applications. But then again, I'm a geek and a good troubleshooter so was able to overcome. Don't let people talk you out of Vista. Particularly if you're at all computer saavy; you'll appreciate the benefits and improvements. I work on computers for a living, and have seen with each new version of Windows, people complaining about compatibility, price, upgrades, bugs, ad naseum. Vista has settled in just fine and should serve you well. Especially on a new computer. It's not Microsoft's problem when companies don't want to re-write software to be supported in the newer operating systems. The demand will be ever-diminishing to do so. That's probably the biggest pitfall for a new O/S; backwards compatibility. It makes more sense to start over and leave legacy devices behind than it is to add the millions of lines of code to support it. Not always the cheapest way for consumers who want to use the new O/S. But technology is perpetually self-supporting, no? Meanwhile, if you insist on using XP, which is fine, computers purchased with some versions of Vista (Business and Ultimate, if memory serves) have the option to 'downgrade' to XP at no extra cost. You'll be able to buy XP for years to come. Even today, you can still buy sealed copies of Windows 98 on eBay. If you're buying a new computer, have someone locally build you a 'white box' instead of wasting your money on a Dell, dude. I'm sure they'll find a solution to have XP on it. Finally, all these comparisons between operating systems will be a moot point soon. We'll all be booting to the Internet, saving our files on a Microsoft or Google server, and you'll be paying for it like all our other utilities. You'll also never see another progress indicator! Instant on, like your TV. Life is reflected well in computers; Adapt quick and often! Frank, K2NCC http://evokefrank. googlepages. com Digital Master 780: http://hrd.ham- radio.ch/ DM780/DM780. htm Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
HI word is from the forward looking computer mags that VISTA is now DEAD. The US government has refused to use it and it doesn't look like many more fixes are upcoming.. Instead they have moved up the release date of new OS ,, System 7 to 2009.. Vista was just like Mill was many years ago... BYE BYE VISTA ( and it 20% slower than XP.) Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Charles Brabham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:23:51 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista Dell sells new dual-core PC's in your choice of Vista, XP, Ubuntu Linux or DOS. - Yes, I said DOS. Mine works just fine, no problems. 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [digitalradio] Vista
Hi Rick: The US government has now informed MS that they WILL continue to support XP as they will not be using VISTA ( see MaxiumPC) VISTA is now on its death bed..but no great loss.. WAY to many problems. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36:33 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Vista Hi Eric, Although many companies are specifying Microsoft XP, I keep wondering what will happen in June when they are supposedly no longer going to make this available anymore. As it is they extended the OS sales. I have been using Vista for not quite a year and have not been running ham programs on it because I have an XP tower along with the Vista tower and a KVM switch to make it handy to work on either machine with the same keyboard, video, and mouse. Because of your post, I decided that tonight was the time to go ahead and switch over to the Vista box and see how current ham digital programs work. Generally, things seem OK with the programs that I normally run: Multipsk Ham Radio Deluxe/Digital Master 780 NBEMS suite with VBdigi/flarq/ flLogbook and can run the Sylpheed e-mail program recommended for this DXLabs suite with DX Commander (which does the interfacing to the rig with Multipsk), DXKeeper. Propview, DXView, etc. (not fully tested) Airlink Express - new program just released and targeted specifically for Vista but runs OK on XP Also, not fully tested but seem to work OK: QForms emergency messaging EasyPal for SSTV QWIKPSK Also can run my regular programs and some interesting ones: AVG Anti-Virus Open Office Suite of programs Media Monkey Irfanview Celestia and Stellarium for astronomy GIMP2 for graphics Firefox web browser Thunderbird e-mail As you can see, most of my general purpose programs are Open Source or at least freeware and when possible I use those that are available on Linux or Windows. I do have a dual boot to Linux Kubuntu, which is the first Linux variant that works reasonably well with my hardware. But I have not had many problems with most modern programs when using Vista. Dave Bernstein did discover a serious bug which may be fixed in SP1. However, Vista has plenty of problems with SP1 and some had trouble with it so they have backed off. Not sure if it is ready for prime time yet. Overall, Vista is a pretty face with superior font rendering when compared to XP and certainly much better than any of the Linux variants that just can not yet compete on my equipment (22 Samsung SyncMaster 225BW LCD Monitor). But it simply does not offer much else, other than some security improvements, some of which are too extreme and quite unnecessary and annoying. Some call this program Windows ME2. I won't go that far, as unlike ME, which was truly unstable, Vista is quite stable and solid for the average user. Like when was the last time you had a BSOD? I have not had one for many years, pretty much not since XP. (Can't say that about Linux which can crash the X windows pretty easily with a bug in PSKmail:( Vista is VERY easy to reload. I actually dumped Vista last year and attempted to install Ubuntu Linux but it was just not an adequate OS and of course can not run most of the high quality ham programs so it is just not practical to use. So I was pretty concerned when I was forced to reload Vista and surprisingly it was the easiest modern OS that I have reloaded from scratch. All the drivers were present on the reinstall disks you have to make up in advance. This is for an HP Pavilion a1730n which is a 4400+ AMD chip and 2 Gigs of RAM. Also, when I bought a low cost USB COM adapter, the driver was already in Vista while XP required installation of the drivers from a disk. This may be at least a part of why Vista is a very bloated OS. Even some of the MS top programmers have admitted it needs trimming. Thus, it needs tremendous resources to run moderately fast. That means the fastest possible microprocessor, video, and at least 2 Gig RAM. MS is running scared on this because sales are terrible. The only way it would have been adopted is due to it being forced on the users when they buy the computer. But note that Mac sales are drastically higher and even Linux is getting some traction here in the developed world. MS is already talking about Windows 7, which is the replacement for Vista. Can you imagine that? And that OS is years away by MS's reckoning, thus it will probably be many years past that date! Bottom line though: you are going to find it very difficult to buy anything here in the U.S. other than a Vista machine for a MS OS. It don't see Mac and Linux as being alternatives if you want to run MS Windows software as we digital hams want to do since that is the OS that has the best programs at this time. In some cases, the only software in certain categories. 73, Rick, KV9U wa0elm wrote: I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista
Hello: PC mag is no longer a pc mag.. It deals with many things that have nothing to do with computers..most are getting away from it. try Maxium PC. cutting edge.. Also everything points to the demise of Vista. we hope all the mistake made in Vista we be fixed with system 7, but then agn its MS. who really knows.. I will not invest in Vista in any way shape for form.. its circling the drain and about to go under... TRUST ME, it will be gone within 2 years.!! Nostradamus / AA0OI - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 5:57:35 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Vista As one who daily monitors the various OS issues, I had seen both of the articles beforehand. The PCMag article gave you a comparison of sorts. I think they were a bit light on Vista. They need to discuss the invasive issues of DRM which some claim is taking up a lot of computer resources, among other things such as phoning home. I don't know what it is doing for sure, but the hard drive is rarely not doing a read or write every second or so. XP does not do this. The problem with these kinds of reviews as they are looking at the overall usability of the OS for the average users who need basic e-mail, web browsing, media software, etc. And all of the OS's have that for the most part. The problem is that if you run ham programs, and that includes most of us on this group, you are mostly going to want to run MS Windows programs since they are overwhelmingly better than anything available on Linux or Mac. Windows development is perhaps 95% of the ham market from what I can see. And by that I mean freeware and open source software as well as commercial software. There just are no programs on Linux or Mac that are remotely equal to HRD/DM780, the DXLab suite, Multiipsk, and many others. Looking at things long term will can expect more Linux programs and improvements. Many countries are moving toward Linux, particularly the developing world, but software development of this type could take a decade or two. Consider that there were built in ham radio capabilities early in Linux and yet the programming efforts actually decreased for many years and are only recently becoming more active again with programs such as PSKmail and fldigi. While I do enjoy reading Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols articles (sometimes several per week) it would not be fair to claim that he has a balanced view since he is very pro-Linux and has mostly used Linux for quite a few years. Without question, he is more balanced than some of the comments made by the typical Linux zealots who are truly misunderstanding what it is that most of us want for an OS. The question we might ask outselves is whether a given OS does the things we want it to do and not do the things we don't want it to do? No OS can fulfill those requirements, but at this time MS Windows does it the best for much of ham radio needs. 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: Did you read it? Does it seem slanted or just reporting? - Original Message From: Tooner defaultprofile@ gmail.com To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 2:00:07 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Vista --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com mailto:digitalradi o%40yahoogroups. com, Howard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears your opinion is shared by others: http://www.desktopl inux.com/ news/NS854183741 2.html?kc= EWKNLNAV032408ST R4 http://www.desktopl inux.com/ news/NS854183741 2.html?kc= EWKNLNAV032408ST R4 One can hardly consider a Linux site to be fair-and-balanced towards it's slant on Windows. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Redefining SSTV operations
Hi David: right click the modes and you will get new modes. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: wd4kpd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:11:31 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Redefining SSTV operations regarding those narrow modes in mmsstvhow do i access themdoesnt seem to be any access menu ? david/wd4kpd Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [digitalradio] Questions on digital opposition
Hi Rud: CW or Voice?? I think you might want to checkout EasyPal,, digital sstv pics..sends exact picture of doc in just a few seconds (60) just like a fax but cleaner.. can go from your scanner to on the air, can be printed. MARS and many of the other services are using it... try it, you'll like it !! (if you haven't) http://www.kc1cs.com/digi.htm Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Rud Merriam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:02:28 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Questions on digital opposition You are entitled to your opinion. However, I am interested in digital communications including email over HF. As a license ham I will claim my ability to work in that mode. As an AEC and active in emergency preparedness beyond ham radio I do see a role for digital communications including email and other document handling capabilities via ham radio. All modes have a role in EmComm, or as in my preferred viewpoint, a communications disaster. Such a disaster does not occur only when infrastructure is destroyed but also when the infrastructure is overwhelmed. This can occur in situations like the hurricane Rita evacuation in the Houston area. There are also situations where transferring documents is more accurate and more quickly done in modes other than voice or CW. Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwor k.net -Original Message- From: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of W2XJ Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:53 PM To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Questions on digital opposition I think the whole thing is pointless. Why to I want to try to send email via a slow speed serial stream when I have 100 meg Internet on the computer next to the rig? I firmly believe that these systems are too organized to be dependable in an emergency. That is when you loose a lot of infrastructure. Simple systems, temporary installations all with some form of emergency power is what is required in an emergency. Modes should be those that can be supported station to station. Basically if it is not part of the rig, it is too complicated for an emergency. Now that CW is not an FCC requirement that is no reason to abandon it as a primary emergency mode. It is still the mode that permits one to accomplish the most with the least. Rud Merriam wrote: This is meant as a couple of constructive, clarifying, questions for those who express strong displeasure with Pactor. Would you decrease your opposition if Pactor III did not expand its bandwidth? Could you accept wide band digital modes if they all operated in a fixed bandwidth, i.e. not expanding or contracting due to band conditions? Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwor k.net Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensw eb.com/drsked/ drsked.php View the DRCC numbers database at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/digitalrad io/database Yahoo! Groups Links Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [digitalradio] I Apologize
Hi John: The problem is that during a contest ,, contesters have all the channels, and it doesn't matter if you do find a clear spot,, contestester will move in within in a kc and take out ANY other communications that are going on.. whether it be ssb qso, digital sstv, sstv.. If the idea is to weed out the week,, take and put all the contester in 100kc together and let the screaming begin,, but no lets spread them out over the entire band and make it miserable for everyone who isn't contesting.. ( sorry about the high horse, but when contest are on,, it just ruins my days) Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:19:59 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] I Apologize Long long time ago (1969) a friend (now SK) who help me become a ham told me that contest weed out the weak. I for one love contest. Be it SSB CW or RTTY. It's a bit like what they say about TV. If you don't like what you are watching change the channel. Same holds true ham radio. All 6 of my HF rigs has a OFF switch. John, W0JAB At 06:45 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote: not if there is a CQ contester every 1kz running 1500 watts (or more) screaming CQ CONTEST every 10 seconds. You can't pick a secondary freq, if there are none empty. And its getting so someone has a contest everyother week end. Thank God for week days..!! Garrett / AA0OI15c19b3e. jpg Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [digitalradio] I Apologize
not if there is a CQ contester every 1kz running 1500 watts (or more) screaming CQ CONTEST every 10 seconds. You can't pick a secondary freq, if there are none empty. And its getting so someone has a contest everyother week end. Thank God for week days..!! Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:18:45 AM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] I Apologize I suppose if the pictures had to get through because of an emergency, the VFO could have been used as per Hollingsworth’s comments @ Dayton . Maybe a secondary frequency should be selected for the net or a VFO procedure since none of us “own” a frequency no matter how long we may have been using it. Communications can always go on, if we want to! William A. Collister N7MOG From: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:digitalradi [EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of aa0oi Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:34 AM To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [digitalradio] I Apologize To the great group of Digital Pic Guys that we had on 7.178 on Sat. I apologize for not being able to have a net this Sunday morning. I apologize the the arrogant and rude hams that do contesting and don't listen to a freq before transmitting, and do splits without listening and move within 1 kc with 1500 watts. I apologize for CQ mag. for having such a contest and making any type of communications (other than thier contest) impossible. (and for making it three days long!) I apologize to hams in other countries for trashing ALL the US freqs with CQ Contest (etc) for 3 days. I apologize for the FCC for allowing this deliberate type of interference to go on and continue on ALL SSB freqs. (give them 100kc on each band and let them have at it) I hope to see you all on next Saturday 8am on 7.178 for more pictures and conversation. (and Sunday) Garrett/ AA0OI Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[digitalradio] I Apologize
To the great group of Digital Pic Guys that we had on 7.178 on Sat. I apologize for not being able to have a net this Sunday morning. I apologize the the arrogant and rude hams that do contesting and don't listen to a freq before transmitting, and do splits without listening and move within 1 kc with 1500 watts. I apologize for CQ mag. for having such a contest and making any type of communications (other than thier contest) impossible. (and for making it three days long!) I apologize to hams in other countries for trashing ALL the US freqs with CQ Contest (etc) for 3 days. I apologize for the FCC for allowing this deliberate type of interference to go on and continue on ALL SSB freqs. (give them 100kc on each band and let them have at it) I hope to see you all on next Saturday 8am on 7.178 for more pictures and conversation. (and Sunday) Garrett/ AA0OI
[digitalradio] Digital SSTV on 40-Generals
Starting this next Saturday and Sunday, Nov 17 and 18, we will have digital SSTV on 40 meters 7.177 starting at 8am CDT or 9am EDT. This is so some of the generals can join us with digital Pic's. We will be using EZPal with rs1 encoding. The purpose of this group is to Help people set up and use the new EZPal. Please join us and we will be glad to help you set it up and get started using the program. We will have a control operator, this will not turn into a 14.230 with everyone sending at the same time.. Even if you can't send yet, join us and look at some great Hi Res pictures. For more in contact me [EMAIL PROTECTED] com (These is, so I'm told, a contest next weekend, which will cause massive interference with us on 7.177- they run splits and don't listen to transmit freq.. But we'll try anyway. If it becomes impossible, we'll try the next weekend same time..
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RF feedback with interface
Hi All: I hve had same problems,, and everything here is by the book.. single point ground antennas 1.1:1 etc etc etc RF only occured on 20 and 40 ( but entire band..) to solve problem I bought 2 T-4 un-un balums, problem is gone running al811h about 800 pep and mostly around 220 wtts digital pictures with the un un's out side all RF is gone ( and doing digital pictures you notice every little bit-- trust me) Radio Works has a excellent paper on line about RF and solutions.. http://radioworks.com/nindex.html un-un's aren't cheap ( about 40 bucks each) but then quality never is.. read his page before you deceide. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Brian A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 10:22:38 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RF feedback with interface Rick, Welcome to the world of QRO. You didn't mention your antenna system or band. Common problems guys have: 1) open wire line with goofy unbalanced antenna attached. 2) poor grounding of the rig. (A fat short ground connecting amp and rig needed.) Corroded connections at the ground stake. Old ground stake which has had the copper clad corroded away. 3) no balun or at least a coil of coax at the feedpoint of balanced antennas. The number of turns varies with freq. More turns isn't necessarily better. Unbalanced antennas often need a string of ferrites at the feed point around the coax. 4) tuners trying to tune a too short antenna. 5) indoor antennas or antennas too close to the house. Too bad one can't take a can of aerosol spray, spray the air and see the concentrations of RF. A severe RFI problem appeared over night here once. It turned out that the ground to the xcvr had worked loose with time. Tightening it up solved the problem. If you only operate one band, a 1/4 wave counterpoise connected to the amp may help. Just run it under the rug. Is the computer case grounded? 73 de Brian/K3KO --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until recently, I only ran 100 watts maximum power, but I did purchase an Ameritron ALS-600 amplifier to help me mostly on lower band SSB. I was using the rig today and testing out my new Heil 781 mike that I am using to replace my ICOM hand mike. And we were testing various settings on the rigs bass and treble transmit controls. During the test the other stations suddenly noticed rather severe RFI feedback. I switched back to the old mike but the problem was still there. Having had a lot of problems in the past, I knew that this was likely due to RF getting into my digital control or audio lines from the computer sound card to the rig. Turning off the amplifier did stop the RFI, so it is apparently due to the increased RF. Also, after unplugging the audio line in and out to the ICOM 756 Pro 2, which is via a DIN plug on the back of the rig, the problem went away. Even with the amplifier running at full power. The CI-V was still connected. I still can not explain why no one noticed the problem earlier as they were critiquing my audio and would have noticed it. On both my CI-V and my audio lines I have about 20 turns of the cables around their own 1/2 x 7 ferrite rod which has a mu of 125. This was the way that I found would externally remove RF flowing on the outside of cables. For those of you who run power, even if not for digital modes but for other modes and have the connections left in place on the rig, how are you able to reduce or eliminate RF feedback in your audio lines? I have 1:1 transformers in line, no other chokes or bypass capacitors. 73, Rick, KV9U __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [digitalradio] Re: DX tool for Google Earth
Jerry: its a dead link for now.. they are rebuilding the site. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Jerry W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2007 10:00:07 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: DX tool for Google Earth --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, Jerry W [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Neat tool for DXer's using Google Earth: http://www.dxers. info/google/ earth/ Read all the info to place the spots in Google Earth Jerry - K0HZI DXers site Seems that the dxers site is down and Google Earth displays error messages when starting up. Also those who like Flight simulation there is a hidden feature in the latest beta version of Google Earth. After downloading the new version and configure Goggle Earth, use Ctrl+Alt+a after Google Earth loads. If the flight simulator does not show, then click Tools, Options, Navigation, place check mark in Flight Control box, save and try it out. There are two aircraft one a Jet Fighter and the other is a small private aircraft. Also there is a choice of airports. Jerry - K0HZI Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [digitalradio] PC Monitors for ham use?
Hi Rick and Andy: I have a Olevia 37 wide screen HD that I use in the shack. Res is wonderful and can watch HD tv and HD videos on it as well.. will work on xp and vista, and they have gotten very cheap ( compared to when I bought this one -- it was 1300 dollars now, I look around and can find same one for 699). Have never regretted the large HD screen New ones have HDMI input as well,, make sure if for the shack monitor has DVI input ( and computer has DVI out) or res will not be as good ( and can even be poor). Use mostly for Digital SSTV ( EZPal and MMSSTV) but these are just a few.. MixW and all the digital modes. If you get a large screen you'll wonder how you ever lived without it. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 1:37:04 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PC Monitors for ham use? I have seen some multi screen shacks. In fact, I think one ham has 5 screens for various functions, some of which are dual screens with one computer. My idea was to keep things a bit simpler so I wanted only one screen that was at the right distance for my limited eyesight accommodation. In fact, I have some computer glasses which have a large upper area set to the screen distance and the lower for reading distance. It makes a huge difference for me compared to trying to see the screen with the center of my trifocals. Progressive lenses have a very small sweet spot for a given distance so I have not gone that route either. My 22 Samsung 225BW works well with either Windows XP or Vista as long as you insure that the screen is connected to and turned on when you boot up the computer as it has to detect and set the screen parameters. Otherwise, it can look as bad as it does with Linux OS and that is completely unacceptable to me. Other advantages of a large widescreen is the ability to play widescreen movies to match the screen size (larger) and it makes it easier to bring up two documents you are working between and drag and drop as needed. The one downside is that you don't necessarily have more real estate to work with, it is just wider and because of that, you make not see as many lines of text in a document as you would with a 4:3 monitor. As you probably have noticed, almost all the monitors sold now are widescreen. Same trend with notebook computers. 73, Rick, KV9U Andrew O'Brien wrote: Any thoughts on a wide screen PC monitor versus a standard screen? I'm thinking of adding a 21 inch wide screen. Andy K3UK Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
[digitalradio] QRM using My Call
Hi Group: I'm am advising all my groups that a QRM'er is using my call sign on several different modes and many different freq's.., This has been reported to the FCC, ARRL, and homeland security,, but he continues.. I have heard him on MFSK, PSK31, SSTV and Digital SSTV and he is probley using other.. MY Call: AA0OI If you think you know who this is please e-mail me and let me know who it is ( I have a pretty good idea ) and I am closing in.. Thanks All: Garrett / AA0OI
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated
Hi Dave: MIN for 3.4 gig is 450 watts!! and if your going to run it hard.. 500 or more Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Dave Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:43:13 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated That was my first thought. The PC has a 250 watt power supply, but it's running a hot processor (3.4 Ghz), a full gig of RAM, a big video card, a sound card, a four-port RS-232 port card, and a NIC, plus the usual hard drive and CD burner. It seems to shut itself off mostly when it's running hard. But I also thought it might be a thermal problem. The processor puts out a load of heat. N6CRR wrote: Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of via the reflector. I hate burning good bandwidth for OT stuff. Thanks in advance Dave KB3MOW Dave Spend $20 and swap out the power supply. I had a computer doing that and it turned out to be that. Power supplies are cheap. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated
Hi Dave: I have no lost love for Gateway. but even worst yet is Dell.. if you check on the computer you will find that Dell has one of the worst customer service there is.. The only good way to get around this is to build it yourself.. Check out Newegg or tigerdirect (newegg 1st choice) Tigerdirect is ok IF it doesnt' involve a rebate ( chances are poor that you would ever get it).. AND building them is not that hard!! AND its just down right FUN!! Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Dave Corio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:34:28 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Off-topic, but any help appreciated The power supply has been changed once already, but that was changing a 250-watt for another 250-watt. I can't just get a generic power supply, as Gateway has a proprietary mounting system that a generic won't fit into without a lot of drilling. I'm going to order a 450-watt unit from Gateway - at $65 plus shipping. This will also be my last dealing with Gateway. This PC has been a lemon since day one, having been repaired now eight times under warranty! Tnx es 73 Dave KB3MOW jhaynesatalumni wrote: --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, N6CRR [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Spend $20 and swap out the power supply. I had a computer doing that and it turned out to be that. Power supplies are cheap. And cheap power supplies are often prodigious RF noise generators, even when the computer is off. Spend a little more and get a good quality power supply. And beware that Dell computers use the same power connector as others, but with a different pin arrangement. So you can't swap mother boards and power supplies between Dell and other brands. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [digitalradio] Hampal
Hi Dan: sorry Dan I don't know what the program is buttt.. there is a program out there that has this feature built in,, its called SSTV pic writen by Dick W3WVG: http://mysite.verizon.net/resojf80/ if you right click on a picture it will give you the option to send as a qsl card.. try it, you'll like it.. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: n0ziz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:19:11 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Hampal I once had an application to overlay a picture to be transmitted by hampal with QSL info or to send a QSL to a station using hampal. The file has been lost. Dose anyone know the name of this application? Dan N0ZIZ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Anyone using DigiTRX (Ver 3.11) for ditigal TV?`
Hi Kev: google site KB4YZ.. this is Daves site and has all the SSTV and Digital sstv programs on the web. Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Kevin Natalia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 2:32:14 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Anyone using DigiTRX (Ver 3.11) for ditigal TV?` Sorry all, I just did a search for DigiTRX on Google and got nothing, no hits. Could someone please advise where to look at this program? Kev. Get Skype and call me for free. - Original Message - From: Andrew O'Brien To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Anyone using DigiTRX (Ver 3.11) for ditigal TV?` David, let me know if you want to do a WinDRM test. Andy k3UK On 3/3/07, David Kruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] net wrote: Thank you Howard, Andrew, and the others who have chipped in with suggestions. The PC is a Dell laptop PII at 166MHz, which makes your oldie look like a newie Others have also told me DigiTX won't work, neither will HamPal. I'm trying WinDRM but today is the contest and the band is jammed with people making 2 second contacts (how fast can *you* talk?) As to your question about the constellation, I have psoted a picture of a sscreen shot of DIGITRX during an unsucessful receive. http://www.bambinom usical.com/ Constellation. jpg --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com, w6ids [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dave As I understand it, DigiTRX won't run on less than WIN XP.. I tried it with Win98 and failed to be able to transmit. I WAS able to receive pictures and I've been told that wasn't quite normal. Others have not been able to get Digi going on anything other than at least XP; the programs allegedly have been written for no less than that OS. Others have said that you need at least a 1 Ghz machine to make things go in Digi... I haven't seen that myself - my DigiTRX is working just fine. I only need to acquire a linear amp to get the transmit going. I run DigiTRX myself on a PIII @650 Mhz..an oldie. Personally, I like DigiTRX over the current offerings but I've never been one to follow the pack as it were. What do you mean the constellation never stabilizes? Can you pass along your settings as you have them? I noticed that Andrew sent you a message. He's pretty good with the Digi thingies. Howard W6IDS Richmond, IN - Original Message - From: David Kruh To: digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:53 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Anyone using DigiTRX (Ver 3.11) for ditigal TV?` I can't use Easy Pal because I'm running Windows Me on on older Dell Laptop. I run DIGTRX and can see the ID in the waterfall but the constellation never stabilizes to see the picture. Does anyone use DIGTRX? -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien 73 www.obriensweb. com Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
Re: [digitalradio] Why MSFK images can be noisy?
Hi Jose: they really aren't MFSK ,, they are FAX and this is what makes them noisy.. Unless a fax photo (try receiving a fax picture on one of the fax freq's) you'll see that they are noisy too. It takes a very strong and clear signal to get a clear pic.. It is possible,, I have had several..( I spent over an hour one night from Colorado ,MFSK pictures to a German group in Antarctica.. they had not seen anything that wasn't white for over 2 years and the whole camp of 43 people were around the computer watching) This was on 80 meters very late at night,, pic's were very clean and clear..(3582) Garrett / AA0OI - Original Message From: Jose A. Amador [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:47:00 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Why MSFK images can be noisy? I have already received some small images sent by MFSK. But they are noisy, like analog SSTV. Why? How is it done? Where can I read about it? Jose, CO2JA Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: [digitalradio] Anyone else not getting Messages and are on yahoo
Hi: yeah, had same problem,, it has to do with the new format that Yahoo is using and it shut down all my accounts,, had to go back to page one and restart my account.. AA0OI Garrettw7psk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Yahoo account has not had mail for this group for couple days now Garrett / AA0OI Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited Try it today. __._,_.___ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Ham radio antenna Ham radio store Digital voice Digital voice recorder mp3 Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Need DominoEx , Chip, MT63, and Throb
Hi Andy: tryed to get you last night (tonight) at 9:00 pm CST but no luck..also tryed your beacons with no luck.. Found out that if I Min the program that it disconnects from the server.. I'll have to run it on seperate computer and leave it max'd..worked in the yard allday and tired or I would try a sked now..Garrett AA0OIgood night..I am looking for someone willing to arrange a DomionEx , Chip64, MT63,and Throb sked during the next couple of days. I am giving a programat a local radio club Tuesday night and plan to play some MP3s ofactual QSOs. If you are willing to arrange a sked for any of themodes, please email me.--Andy K3UKFredonia, New York.Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73Also available via Echolink Garrett / AA0OI Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Do we really need to know?
I have a Texas Insterment TI99-4a ( boy is that going back aways)!! or my abacus ( but it doesn't copy digital pictures very well...Garrett AA0OIjhaynesatalumni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we cynics should start putting in other computer models as a joke.How about "computer here is a PDP-8" or "computer here is IBM 704"?(Now that one could get you into an interesting talk about powerconsumption!) Garrett / AA0OI__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Do we really need to know?
Hi Dave: You know what really bakes my cookies.. I put on a sceince paper in the third grade that there were more than9 planets and they marked it wrong.. ( ha ha) But in the third grade I got sent to the "OFFICE" for doodling during class ,, a rocket ship, with another one straped to its back.. They said it was the stupidest thing that they had ever heard of, even when I told them " so one could fall back to earth to be reused again, and the second one could continue into space with a full load of fuel".. It makes me wonder who were the teachers???Garrett AA0OI Gegroet,Dave Bernstein schreef: What's amazing is how much of what we were tought in the 60's was flat-out wrong: - plate tectonics is a crack-pot hypothesis - the fundamental particles are protons, neutrons, and electrons - our solar system has 9 planetsThe problem with this one is not really the number of "planets" around the sun, but "what is the definition of 'planet'". If you really want a laugh, look at some issues of Popular Mechanics from that era...BTW.My first computer here was a tandy coco. A 8/16 bit process running at some 700-and-odd Khz and 16 KB of RAM. Later, I added 48 KB of extra ram and two floppies of 5.25 inch (holding no less then 720 KB each).When running OS/9, it did multi-user, multitasking and real-time in what was sold as a game-computer; at the times when MSDOS/PCDOS took its first steps into the world.I still remember the surprise when the teacher told me their brandnew computer where not even able to format a floppy in the background while you where doing something else. When you did "format a:", you had to wait three minutes when the floppy was being formatted and could not do anything else. That on a machine that was two to three years newer then my "games-computer" at home, had 8 times as much memory and was called "the future of computing" at that era.That's one of the problems of *popular* science (be it computer-science or mechanics). It can also be "funny" for people who are not "limited" to what the "popular" science says. To take the example you brought up. The very strange orbit of pluto already was known in the 60s, and some people where already then asking the question "is pluto really a planet or not?"Concerning the original question:It doesn't hurt if people indicate what computers they use, but me personaly, I am more interested in what software they use; especially if it software for linux (or -to a lesser degree-) for mac. 73, Dave, AA6YQCheerio! Kr. Bonne. Garrett / AA0OI Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] iu-view
Hi Guys: try ui-view,, you connect to the internet and a world map shows you all the people on the air that are connected and want to make digital contacts. map shows modes and location.. pop up window give you direct communication (via internet) with the other stations so you can set up contact freq and mode.. it works just great, but need more people... try it, you'll like it.. and its FREE address below Garrett AA0OI www.ui-view.org/ http://www.ui-view.org/#maps_for_ui-view Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bands aren't dead
Hi Dave: yeah, the last week has been a blast digital.. but I'm afraid that it won't last forever b4 it starts down hill agn..I did over 25 different countries yesterday ( some that I've never even heard of b4) Hope today is just as good..!!Garrett AA0OIDave VA3KAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found 20 meters to be open from here (Ontario, Canada) to Europe in PSK31 from about an hour after the sun comes up here to maybe an hour after it sets. Italy and Spain are almost always open during the day, and France, Scotland, England, Russia etc. are usually around at some point during the day. Cuba and South America come through at times too, and I heard New Zeland in there once. I've only been on PSK31 for three weeks and have already worked 22 countries! I've also had some limited success on 15 meters. Once it looked like the band was totally dead, I called a CQ for the heck of it and someone answered. Lots of fun!73,~Dave VA3KAB Garrett / AA0OI New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bands aren't dead
Hi Dave: well it was great here in Kentucky the other day.. but today the bottom did fall out.. I didn't hear anything ( some local HamPal and sstv) but just about nothing else..I guess I should have just kept my big mouth shut.. ha ha..Garrett AA0OIDave VA3KAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, AA0OI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave: yeah, the last week has been a blast digital.. but I'm afraid that it won't last forever b4 it starts down hill agn..I did over 25 different countries yesterday ( some that I've never even heard of b4) Hope today is just as good..!! 25 in one day?! Thats awesome! I thought I was doing good with 22 in three weeks :P Looks like today is a washout though, so far anyway.73,~Dave VA3KAB Garrett / AA0OI Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Re: First HELL mode Net will be held on 2 April Sunday at 1800z
HI John: It doesn't matter where we try and use the band ,, pactor comes on right on top of us without listening anyway.. thats the way it has alway work and always will.. I would like to see all automatic stations,stuck down in the courner of bands and then they can all transmit on top of each other.Or how about I set my rig to transmit Olivia 1000hz at about 1 min intervals to CQ all day and night long right in the middle of the pactor stations??? Or how about the pactor station GET A CONTROL OPERATOR!! to see that they are not tranmiting on top of someone.. What a revelation.. Courtesy to other stations that are already in a QSO... After being drowned out by several packet stations while I'm in a QSO, I have taken to snapping a digital picture, with callsign and sending it to the FCC, so they can see where a autopacket station comes right on top of QSO's in progress (PSK,MFSK, etc).. Do I expect anything to be done?? No.. But I can dream..Garrett AA0OI John Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone explain WHY we keep trying to run nets, make contacts etc in a portion of the band which has long been used for automatic pactor stations?Have been making more than a few contacts, mostly OLIVIA, using the portion of the band right above 14070, like 14073 and up...John VE5MU --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Craig - N7OR" [EMAIL PROTECTED] w came on. In this case it was Pactor, but could of been anything really. There must have been an urgent message to get through, and the entire internet was down. Clowns. 73 - N7OR Earlier today I was working a German station via Olivia 1000/32. While copying , a PACTOR station came on very loud and totally coveredthe Olivia signal in my waterfall. Amazingly, I copied the DL 100%throughout the PACTOR transmission.No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/06 Garrett / AA0OI Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Bands aren't dead
20 meters digital are open to all of Europe and have been all day..Get them while the gettings good.. what a blast,, can't operate them fast enough!! Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Sick Feld Hell Tones in MixW
Hi Andy: they do sound kind of strange to me, but I fed them to mixw and they decoded just fine But I also recorded some of mine and they do not sound like that.. I'm at a loss.. will think about it and let you know if I come up with anything..Garrett AA0OIAndrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone listen to the brief mp3 file athttp://www.obriensweb.com/hell.mp3Something is very "odd" sounding with my Feld Hell tones in Mixw,whereas in Muptipsk the tones sound good to me. Same audio settingsin the soundcard.The audio file starts with Multipsk tones, then after the 3 seconds ofsilence the MixW Feld Hell tones start. The tones are recorded via PC mic near my PC speakers, hence the slight variation in volumelevels.A couple of the people I have worked with MixW Hell say my tones soundfine at their end but I get a lot of no answers when using MixW Hellversus Hell in Multipsk.--Andy K3UK Garrett / AA0OI Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) SPONSORED LINKS Ham radio Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
