Re: ISP questions
Reid Linnemann wrote: Written by Mark Hartkemeyer on 06/04/09 11:23 I'm pretty new to FreeBSD and was reading part of Greg Lehey's The Complete FreeBSD 4th Edition. I found the section on ISPs in chapter 18 really interesting. I put some of his recommended questions to my ISP, Cincinnati Bell's Zoomtown. I think I talked to three or four people before I even got some of them answered. Here are some of the questions and answers: 1. What speed connections do you offer? 5MBps upload/5MBps download (she said bytes, but should it be bits?) 768kBps 2. Can you supply a static IP address? At what cost? Yes, $49.95/month for the whole Internet package 3. How many hops are there to the backbone? It depends on the site you're trying to reach. (I think they misunderstood what I meant by backbone?) 4. What kind of hardware and software are you running? Can't provide this, due to security reasons. 5. Can you supply primary or secondary DNS for me? You need a static IP. 6. Can you provide name registration? At what cost? Talk to residential services. 7. Do you give complete access to the Internet, or do you block some ports? Cannot provide this info, due to security reasons. After asking, I was told that I would be able to run a mail server and http server on my connection. 8. Do you have complete reverse DNS? (They didn't know.) I assume this is a pretty typical response from ISPs. Has anyone asked their ISP questions like these? If so, what kind of response did you get? Does anyone know of a really good ISP, or a good resource for finding a good ISP around Cincinnati, OH? Thanks, Mark Hartkemeyer These responses don't surprise me. I'm actually impressed your rep knew the numbers for the up/down bandwidth, even though their metric was wrong. There was a point in time when a technical support representative for an ISP was knowledgeable and courteous, but those days are forever gone and those reps have been replaced with poorly trained monkeys that are forbidden to divert from The Script. You could not get any intelligible information about the ISP's services any more than you could expect to get intelligible information about a Dell computer's north bridge controller from a Walmart Associate. This is attributable to the explosion in popularity of personal internet access, resulting in a greater need for servicing a high volume of low complexity technical support requests (e.g., my internet don't work). The reps are paid far to little to be technically competent and the ISP doesn't get a return for training them to be proficient when they can just ist them in front of a knowledge database they've already invested cash into and tell them to read what it says. You have to meander your way at least up to tier II or III support to get to anyone who might possibly be invested enough in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. Man, you're with the wrong ISP. The one I use would have no problems at all answering all of the above, and they'd do it on the phone, by e-mail, usenet, IRC and probably by generating smoke-signals from the roof of the datacenter if they thought it would help. Brilliant approach to customer management; technical service levels damn good too, despite everything it seems their NSPs do to foul things up. Actually, the answers to virtually all of those questions are on their web site already. Oh, and they actually like you to run your own mail, web and DNS... The only slight flaw is that they are a bunch of penguinistas rather than embracing the one true daemonic faith. But I can forgive them for that. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: ISP questions
My isp have up to 1Gbyte/s costs 1000SEK a month 1Gbyte/s? Yes. it's 10Gbit/s No. So 1Gbyte or Gbit/s? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
in the service to know the meaning of your questions and the answers. Man, you're with the wrong ISP. Or maybe it's best ISP available there? :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: n00b question regarding installation via serial console
On Thursday 04 June 2009 17:28:56 Tim Judd wrote: On 6/4/09, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Hello list, Is it possible to boot into the serial console from the installation CD, or must boot.flp be used as per make your own CD add file boot.config containing just one line: -P to existing, make sure you it's bootable (mkisofs -b boot/cdboot -no-emul-boot) and record refer to man boot.config Unless things have changed since I last did this, this isn't going to work. First of all, the CD boot process doesn't pick up the boot.config. Secondly, many motherboards use a BIOS which causes the -P test to fail. What you can do is create boot/loader.conf on the CD image containing console=comconsole Sure that's enough? ttys is still going to mark the ttyd0 line as off and won't present a tty/login then. Yes, it is. You don't need a login for an installation. You do need to make sure you enable the correct serial port (usually ttyd0, as you point out) in /etc/ttys before you reboot at the end of the installation. I think it's more complicated than that. And what if the boot process hangs for some reason? no console output either by your solution. It's not an ideal process (particularly since the serial console only cuts in at a very late stage). One day I will make time to sit down and work out how to do it properly on a CD. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: pkg_deinstall: delete all packages installed, except for X, Y and Z
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Fbsd1 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: ignore errors about package can't be deleted because X, Y or Z requires it. it's exactly what you want. pkg_delete `cat /tmp/pkglist` gives error 'no such package `cat /tmp/pkglist` installed for sure you used ' instead of ` Yet that was the error. I did not know there was another type of quote key on the keyboard. The one used in the example is below the Esc key. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org The `` (below your escape key) do command substitution while '' do quoting. This is just FYI :). a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
pf nat dual gateways
Hi,
I would need some help in getting this working.
The idea is pretty simple, i have a box with 3 NICs; 2 for net pipes,
and one for LAN.
Routing and NAT works, however, i need that requests to u_ips always
get NATed through u_if, and everything else through ext_if.
As it is now, everything goes through ext_if.
ext_if=tun0
int_if=vr0
u_if=ed0
ext_services={}
int_services={53,80}
rdp_port={3232}
rdp_srv={192.168.0.250}
u_ips={123.123.123.123}
u_gw=192.168.1.1
localnet=$int_if:network
set skip on lo0
set optimization aggressive
set limit states 5
scrub in all
nat on $ext_if from $localnet to any - ($ext_if)
nat on $u_if from $localnet to $u_ips - ($u_if)
rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ext_if port $rdp_port -
$rdp_srv port 3389
antispoof for $ext_if
antispoof for $u_if
block drop all
pass in inet proto tcp from any to any port $ext_services \
flags S/SA keep state
pass in inet proto {tcp,udp} from $localnet to $int_if port
$int_services \ flags S/SA keep state
pass out all keep state
pass from $localnet to any keep state
And here's ifconfig:
vr0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu
1500 options=2808VLAN_MTU,WOL_UCAST,WOL_MAGIC
ether 00:13:d4:a7:84:f9
inet 192.168.0.254 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
ed0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu
1500 ether 52:54:00:df:92:3f
inet 192.168.1.5 netmask 0xff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP)
rl0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu
1500 options=8VLAN_MTU
ether 00:02:44:59:91:d5
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
plip0: flags=108810POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT metric 0
mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu
16384 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00
tun0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1492
inet 111.111.111.111 -- 111.111.111.254 netmask 0x
Opened by PID 449
As you can see, u_if(ed0) has IP addr 192.168.1.5, and the gateway is
192.168.1.1 (u_gw).
Running 7.2-RELEASE, amd64.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
--
Ghirai.
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ICQ - IPFW
Hello, I want to start using ICQ (never did before). The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. Any suggestions ? Regards, Roy. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Named ignoring forward-only zones?
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:53:38AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding
queries. A snippet of named.conf:
acl clients {
localnets;
localhost;
::1;
10.45.12/19;
};
view internal {
match-clients { clients; };
zone 5.0.10.in-addr.arpa {
type forward;
forward only;
forwarders { 10.0.5.16; };
};
};
Now, I can query the forwarder directly to get the right answer:
$ dig +noall +answer -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16 @10.0.5.16
16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR kanga.honeypot.net.
But I can't get the same from named:
$ dig -t ptr -x 10.0.5.16
;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 56485
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;16.5.0.10.in-addr.arpa.IN PTR
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
10.in-addr.arpa.10800 IN SOA 10.in-addr.arpa.
nobody.localhost. 42 86400 43200 604800 10800
So, why isn't named directing that query to the configured forwarder? I'm
99.9% certain this has been working recently.
Hi, Kirk.
I had the similar issue with forward type zones yesterday.
Though I'm not quite sure, but it started to work after I put 127.0.0.1
to /etc/resolv.conf on our bind server.
My named.conf entries look like this:
...
zone need2.frwd.zone {
type forward;
forward only;
forwarders { 10.xx.xx.xx; 10.xx.xx.yy; };
};
zone 10.in-addr.arpa {
type forward;
forward only;
forwarders { 10.xx.xx.xx; 10.xx.xx.yy; };
};
...
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Best regards,
Jeff
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| Maybe nobody knows ... |
| Xorg.conf(5)|
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Portupgrade very slow upgrading gtk-sharp
I started portupgrade -a at midnight last night. It started to upgrade gtk-sharp-1.0.10 from _14 to _15 at 00:58 and is still running more than 9 hours later and clocking up 80% to 90% CPU on both cores of my 2.5GHz Athlon. curlew:/root# top 2 last pid: 47507; load averages: 2.00, 2.05, 2.05 up 0+12:10:27 10:11:08 112 processes: 3 running, 109 sleeping CPU: 0.4% user, 7.1% nice, 91.9% system, 0.6% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 405M Active, 1216M Inact, 215M Wired, 76M Cache, 112M Buf, 23M Free Swap: 2048M Total, 2048M Free PID USERNAMETHR PRI NICE SIZERES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 35617 root 1 1302 1336K 820K CPU1 1 548:15 96.88% script 41994 root 3 202 15304K 7364K kserel 0 548:29 96.58% mono curlew:/root# date Fri Jun 5 10:14:52 BST 2009 curlew:/root# ps -axuwlc | egrep '(35617|41994)' root 35617 97.4 0.0 1336 820 ?? RN 12:58AM 551:14.08 script 0 89297 561 133 2 - root 35619 0.0 0.1 1288 1180 p0 INs+ 12:58AM 0:00.16 make 0 35617 326 8 2 wait root 41994 0.0 0.4 15304 7348 p0 SN+ 12:58AM 551:28.60 mono 0 41993 561 20 2 kserel Should mono be grabbing so much CPU? It only took 8 hours to build OpenOffice earlier in the week! -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ICQ - IPFW
The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. dangerous because of? are you running any insecure service on port 4000 udp? Of course ICQ may be dangerous by itself (i don't know), but as you decided to use it then it's not in question. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
it is about installing FreeBSD on USB stick
hello, this is my first time to ask a help from FreeBSD. I have a question about installing FreeBSD on USB stick. There are so many informations about how to install FreeBSD on USB stick from Internet, but I can not find out any information about follow : first, if i install FreeBSD on USB stick. Could I operate it on any computer. if not, how to reach this issue ? second, if i install FreesBIE on USB stick, i know i can operate it on any computer. but i don't know how to store my setting and installed software on USB stick directly instead of copy my setting to another store device. thanks, good luck for you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 11:16:05PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:00:06 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Yes, I know. That is why some other additional for is also useful. I don't really propose changing man, but do often wish for some other form. Many programs contain an EXAMPLES section in the man page. Further documentation often is supplied in /usr/local/share/doc and /usr/local/share/examples - available locally. my take of the idea of man pages is simple: they serve as a concise summary of a program you already know. maybe you've forgotten a 'w' flag or switch. otherwise, a number of examples are worth ten thousand words. the gotcha is that examples take a lot of skill... . and, yes, the better programs with man pages do have examples! gary -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org For FBSD list: http://transfinite.thought.org/slicejourney.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ICQ - IPFW
Hi, Generally you have 2 options: 1. To use ICQ over HTTPS connection, which means you should use Proxy server or permit https traffic out of your firewall/nat. 2. To use it directly. As you may use dynamic NAT, i.e. there will be not possible to have incomming connection on port 4000 and it will not harm your network. Regards, Ivailo Tanusheff Deputy Head of IT Department ProCredit Bank (Bulgaria) AD Roy Stuivenberg roys1...@gmail.com Sent by: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org 05.06.2009 11:42 To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc Subject ICQ - IPFW Hello, I want to start using ICQ (never did before). The question is, I'm looking for a rule in my IPFW script. Running 7.2 stable - ipfw configured in the kernel without nat. Because after some googl'in, i read it's dangerous to just open port 4000 udp. Any suggestions ? Regards, Roy. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Opinion request about a file server
Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v -- network warrior since 2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
itsemu wrote: if your dealing with a isp such as a cable/dsl company, remember the requirements to work there, they arent trained on anything besides windows.. Excuse me, unless you have ever worked at an ISP, might I kindly ask you to have some respect. (if you have, the call centre you likely worked for != ISP). probably dont really know what a static ip is or have any idea what hardware each different county they are supporting has in there headend because its all different, reverse dns will probably be a waste of ip space because of the way its assigned in classes and i seriously doubt they will do it via a ticket if its not that way. named registration if im catching that right godaddys probably going to be cheaper maybe im wrong who knows.. Nevermind. I should have read your entire post before I started to respond. It's clear that you have the experience and education behind you to make statements about the knowledge of ISP staff. Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Valentin Bud wrote: Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v Got more than a few of similar systems, and have setup one very similar to this for a friend, primarily used as a Samba server: Pentium 4 2.8Ghz, (socket 478), 2GB RAM Two mirrors (1 Tb total capacity, 4X500Gb drives), using gmirror and gjournal Gigabit Ethernet He stores very large files (he is an avid photographer). Needless to say it works without problems and performance is very good. So, I'd say you can go ahead with your plan. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Getting old versions of FreeBSD
Hi, For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? Thanks, -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
Modulok wrote: While it sounds pretty bad, I think my ISP takes the cake: - Regardless of the problem, their solution is to unplug the cable modem, wait 30 seconds and plug it back in and hope for the best. Well, I don't know about cable, but this is the way DSL works. 90%+ of the issues with DSL are due to the modem losing connectivity overnight, so a reboot is the quickest and easiest method of troubleshooting. We've got nearly all of our DSL subs trained to reboot their CPE before they call us. If that solution weeds out 50% of support calls, then our staff can focus on bigger and better things. Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run on their servers etc. Perhaps if people were to call into their tech support helpdesk every once in a while when they *aren't* having any issues just to tell them that their doing a heck of a job, and to have a nice day, you might find the staff willing to stay around a bit longer and become a little more knowledgeable for the next time one calls. Steve Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while (unfortunately). I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Opinion request about a file server
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 03:57:21PM +0300, Valentin Bud wrote: Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). I think its gross overkill for that very light load. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
In response to Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca: [snip] Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while (unfortunately). I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. I think there's a serious lesson to be learned here ... many years ago I realized just the kind of crap these people have to deal with on a daily basis, and I make it a point to be polite and friendly _any_ time I call tech support. The upshot of this is that I've noticed that I'll get answers and help where other people won't ... the tech support folks _want_ to stay on the phone with me. The downside to this is when I make a call and either I or the the tech support person knows that they can't fix my problem -- being polite doesn't help much. When the both of us know that management or the higher level tech screwed something up and the tech support folks are supposed to be covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's _really_ frustrating. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Getting old versions of FreeBSD
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Frederique Rijsdijk frederi...@isafeelin.org wrote: Hi, For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? Thanks, -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hello Frederique, You have to track the errata branch of 4.7. That would be RELENG_4_7. Get the sources (i suppose they are on cvs) using csup(1) and rebuild world/kernel and you should get to p28. I don't know for sure if the sources for that specific errata branch are still there. Maybe others can shed some lights on this. Here you can find the errata 4.7-RELEASE errata: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.7R/errata.html. a great day, v -- network warrior since 2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Getting old versions of FreeBSD
In response to Frederique Rijsdijk frederi...@isafeelin.org: For some 'issue' I have to install an old version FreeBSD: 4.7-p28. The ISO of 4.7 I have found, but how to get to p28? That code is still in the version control system, all you need to do is configure cvsup to fetch it and rebuild your system. Instructions: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html Use the RELENG_4_7, since p28 was the last patch on the 4.7 branch. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com http://people.collaborativefusion.com/~wmoran/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
Bill Moran wrote: In response to Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca: [snip] Disclaimer: I work as a network engineer at a small ISP. From time to time, I still have to answer the phone every once in a while (unfortunately). I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch and snivel and have no respect. It's not my fault you can't connect if your dog ate your keyboard, why are you bothering me? I thoroughly enjoy a good conversation with a user if they can ask a decent and sincere question, and I can tell they are willing to learn. I think there's a serious lesson to be learned here ... many years ago I realized just the kind of crap these people have to deal with on a daily basis, and I make it a point to be polite and friendly _any_ time I call tech support. The upshot of this is that I've noticed that I'll get answers and help where other people won't ... the tech support folks _want_ to stay on the phone with me. You are absolutely right, and I'm glad you pointed that out. Even I will admit to not minding hanging on the phone a few extra minutes with a calm, polite user (no matter how 'green' they are) if they do what I say (without click-click-clicking in the background) throughout the troubleshooting process. We *always* will be up front and honest if we (or any of our wholesalers or intermediaries) are having issues (that we know about). Being small, we also expect users to believe that when we tell them that they are having a problem at their end and they need to call someone in, that we actually know what we are talking about. It's the users who scream and bitch and claim it hasn't worked for a month!, meanwhile their IE is displaying an illegal page fault that are really frustrating. The downside to this is when I make a call and either I or the the tech support person knows that they can't fix my problem -- being polite doesn't help much. No, but remaining polite after you _both_ realize this and come to terms with it will help you remain calm, and help the tech person be able to deal with the next available irate client a little better. When the both of us know that management or the higher level tech screwed something up and the tech support folks are supposed to be covering it up, there's not much you can really say or do, and that's _really_ frustrating. Yes, I agree. I've been in that position previously during times where I wasn't connected to my own ISP. I must say, that my experience working in an ISP environment has completely changed my attitude when it comes to me having to call a different ISP on behalf of someone else (mind you, if required, I can usually find someone there that has a clue). Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: ISP questions
Written by Steve Bertrand on 06/05/09 08:43 Despite frustrations try to remember, it's not the tech support people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I did the support gig for the better part of two years when I started school. It was difficult, especially when the people that were frustrated, angry, and determined to take it out on me had broken or ancient hardware and lived out in the boondocks where audible crackling could be heard over the same phone line they were using to dial in with. I even had a guy call in once who got irate with me because I wouldn't help him troubleshoot why his video card was displaying only 256 colors. He just wanted someone to be mad at, and I was it. I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. Unless it's a relatively small ISP, you can't expect the tech support people to be able to answer questions relating to the engineering of their network (how many hops to the core), what software they run on their servers etc. This is very true. When the ISP I worked at was smaller and had a support staff of around 10 people, and the network engineers where in the next room, everyone knew what servers ran what services, what type of machines they were, what versions of what operating systems were one them, how to edit the zone files, etc. When that ISP was acquired by a larger one, and operations expanded and the different departments separated, things started getting dumb. Rapidly. Perhaps if people were to call into their tech support helpdesk every once in a while when they *aren't* having any issues just to tell them that their doing a heck of a job, and to have a nice day, you might find the staff willing to stay around a bit longer and become a little more knowledgeable for the next time one calls. IMO, I think it's more laudable to take a minute to calm down when you have an issue, take a deep breath, consider the position of the guy/girl on the other end, and then make your tech support call with the intention of making it productive for the poor dude/lady who is likely getting bitched at not only from other users, but from his/her own management as well for having an average call time over 5 minutes or for taking a 16 minute break when only 15 minutes are allowed. Recognize that every time that rep's phone rings, he/she feels a wave of horror and anxiety for what might be on the other end - some problem they can't solve, and irate user, a fed up user calling to cancel (but management won't allow them to comply without trying to dissuade the user or put them through a lengthy exit poll), or maybe the first call to mark the beginning of an outage, sure to be followed by nothing but irate callers for the next several hours. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Thursday 04 June 2009 04:17:56 pm Chris Rees wrote: Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The info is split into (arbitrary) sections, through which you have to tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. In fairness, a good info browser (eg Emacs) makes searching in an info doc trivially easy. I think the biggest problem is that /usr/bin/info is horrid and people lump their impression of it onto their impression of info docs as a whole. -- Kirk Strauser ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
D'oh! was Re: Named ignoring forward-only zones?
On Thursday 04 June 2009 11:53:38 am Kirk Strauser wrote:
For some reason, BIND 9 (FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE) isn't properly forwarding
queries.
Commenting out
// zone 10.in-addr.arpa { type master; file master/empty.db; };
from named.conf fixed the problem. That's kind of... embarrassing.
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Re: phidgets for FreeBSD?
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0300 Ghirai ghi...@ghirai.com wrote: Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets (http://www.phidgets.com? Someone seems to have attempted (and succeeded) to run things on 7.0, some time ago, but there doesn't seem to be any further info (http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=507). Any ideas? No, but colour me interested too. Thanks for the pointer. Copying this to Brooks, who started that thread in 2005 with a patch for phidgets 2.0, which left me wondering if anything has become of that in the 2.1 linux sources, which I'm just grabbing. I'm generally interested in whether linux applications using libusb are more likely than not to work on FreeBSD, operational differences between libusb on FreeBSD and linux, and whether our new USB stack has changed anything in that equation at all? Also wondering if http://www.totalphase.com/products/aardvark_i2cspi/ linux software might be expected to work 'well enough' on FreeBSD 7? Thanks. -- Ghirai. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus
Michael Powell writes: This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. It worked beautifully but there is the following dependency requiring yet another trip to the same well: I sure hope this is it. Due to Oracle license restrictions, you must fetch the source instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip. It appears that this file installs the -basic client. Now, I'll go tie a horse shoe in to a square knot without a forge in order to relieve some pent up frustration. I don't know whether to laugh or swear. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus
Can you record your horse-shoe tying prowess and post on uTub3? -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Martin McCormick Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:24 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The quest for linux-oracle-instantclient-sqlplus Michael Powell writes: This is one of the worst I have seen to date. Click here: Copy to /usr/ports/distfiles/oracle/ directory. Good luck to you. It worked beautifully but there is the following dependency requiring yet another trip to the same well: I sure hope this is it. Due to Oracle license restrictions, you must fetch the source instantclient-sqlplus-linux32-10.2.0.3-20061115.zip. It appears that this file installs the -basic client. Now, I'll go tie a horse shoe in to a square knot without a forge in order to relieve some pent up frustration. I don't know whether to laugh or swear. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
GCC/GCJ and pdftk
Hello, I'm a little confused. I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: === pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found === pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found ===Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 === Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 Error: shared library gcj does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... Thanks very much in advance! -- Joe Auty NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians http://www.netmusician.org j...@netmusician.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. this is not old - very powerfull machine. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. what a problem? much more than needed. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
Well, I don't know about cable, but this is the way DSL works. 90%+ of the issues with DSL are due to the modem losing connectivity overnight, so a reboot is the quickest and easiest method of troubleshooting. i don't remember now what brand of modem i have (i'm not in place) from Polish Telecom but it never hung for over 1.5 year! people's fault. They're just there 8-5 trying to make rent and pay for their kids dental. If you want to blame somebody, blame management. The tech support people do what they are told to do. If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few months. I think there are people doing this that can work for years. just a matter of personal character, they could completely don't care :) I've been in the industry quite a while, and I would hazard a guess that about 85% of tech support calls incoming would be user error. i bet 95% I do not like dealing directly with users. Most of them complain, bitch and snivel and have no respect. I don't agree. 90% of my people i have to respond (my clients) are not like that. They ask politely, but the problem is that they ask me to do things that is not my job, because internet doesn't work. There are no connection problems, but as usual windoze doesn't work properly. I have to explain every time that they have to call some kind of computer/windoze service and pay to have things repaired. Some still insist that it's our fault, they we have to go to them, run some DVD-bootable linux distro with web browser and show that all is fine :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
You are absolutely right, and I'm glad you pointed that out. Even I will admit to not minding hanging on the phone a few extra minutes with a calm, polite user (no matter how 'green' they are) if they do what I say (without click-click-clicking in the background) throughout the troubleshooting process. To be honest i just don't know windows much so i can't help much. We *always* will be up front and honest if we (or any of our wholesalers or intermediaries) are having issues (that we know about). And that's right. Same if WE have/had problems we simply tell clients the truth. It's the users who scream and bitch and claim it hasn't worked for a month!, Simply answer why didn't you call month ago? As you called now, i count this as problem started today. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
I did the support gig for the better part of two years when I started school. It was difficult, especially when the people that were frustrated, angry, and determined to take it out on me had broken or ancient hardware and lived out in the boondocks where audible crackling Just put the earphone on table and wait until the noise ends :) I even had a guy call in once who got irate with me because I wouldn't help him troubleshoot why his video card was displaying only 256 colors. Simply because it's not your job. them, how to edit the zone files, etc. When that ISP was acquired by a larger one, and operations expanded and the different departments separated, things started getting dumb. Rapidly. And that's why in any normal system big companies will loose to small ones. Small company will ALWAYS be better managed, and run cheaper. But we don't live in normal system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: openoffice.org-3 compiling issue
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:33:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias thus spake: Jason wrote: Hello, Newbie to FreeBSD here, however I have been studying like a madman, running it on my desktop, and administering systems on a daily basis so I've learned quiet a bit recently. I am trying to install openoffice.org-3 port, and am receiving the following error. 1 module(s): openssl need(s) to be rebuilt Reason(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3/work/BEB300_m3/openssl Attention: if you build and deliver the above module(s) you may prolongue your the build issuing command build --from openssl *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-3. At first I received this error, I was running -j5 with my make command, but after removing that I managed to get pass the initial error that included icu and ssl issues. All posts that look similar to the error I am having, have no replies to them. Thanks, Jason Which version of FreeBSD are you using? 7.1 I am getting the above error trying to compile openoffice 3 on 8.0-CURRENT tinderbox (and I tried several times, updating to the latest current). It compiles normally on 7.2-RELEASE (haven't tested on stable). After updating my ports tree, I was albe to do a successful build. Thanks very much. -jgh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser k...@strauser.com: On Thursday 04 June 2009 04:17:56 pm Chris Rees wrote: Info is horrible to use as a quick reference, because as Polytropon said earlier, you can't just dive in to get something specific. The info is split into (arbitrary) sections, through which you have to tread, and jump around hyperlinks all over. In fairness, a good info browser (eg Emacs) makes searching in an info doc trivially easy. I think the biggest problem is that /usr/bin/info is horrid and people lump their impression of it onto their impression of info docs as a whole. -- Kirk Strauser Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
2009/6/5 Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.com: Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v -- network warrior since 2005 Wow! You have a powerhouse. I'm using this: http://www.bayofrum.net/phpsysinfo for *everything*; web server, mail server, file server, the odd bittorrent (usually for ubuntu, I don't touch warez :P), and even run a Left 4 Dead server on it from time to time... Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GCC/GCJ and pdftk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Auty wrote: Hello, I'm a little confused. I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: === pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found === pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found ===Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 === Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 Error: shared library gcj does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... Thanks very much in advance! Hi Joe, I'm the pdftk port maintainer, and I've got an amd64 build machine here. Let me have a crack at it and see what I can figure out. If you run into any other insights in the mean time, please let me know. Cheers, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKKU3V0sRouByUApARApMmAJ97ErsMvbtI/O6ipY34nFAN2hyKvgCgo0dI Kx6qnJdo45CmTBTY7146UAU= =LMI7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
What is the equivalent of Linux command 'ps --forest'?
How can I see processes in a hierarchical way? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Wireless Woes (NDIS, WPA2)
On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 23:18:42 +, Paul B. Mahol wrote
On 6/4/09, Gene f...@brightstar.bomgardner.net wrote:
Hi All:
I'm trying to get wireless working on a laptop. It works fine as long as no
encryption is used, but if I try to use either WEP or WPA2, I ueem to always
wind up with
Status: No Carrier
Any help greatly appreciated.
_-
From /etc/rc.conf:
ifconfig_ndis0=WPA DHCP
From wpa_supplicant.conf
network={
ssid=northstar
psk=Passphrase here
}
From /var/log/messages
ndis0: RangePlus Wireless Notebook Adapter mem 0x8800-0x8800
irq
5 at device 0.0 on cardbus0
ndis0: [ITHREAD]
ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1
NDIS: could not find file preparse.ini in linker list
NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile()
NDIS: could not find file regAdd.txt in linker list
NDIS: and no filesystems mounted yet, aborting NdisOpenFile()
ndis0: WARNING: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface
ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:18:39:17:28:35
And from ifconfig ndis0 scan:
genesis# ifconfig ndis0 scan
SSIDBSSID CHAN RATE S:N INT CAPS
northstar 00:21:91:de:3f:8d1 54M -51:-96 100 EPS
And finally from ifconfig ndis0:
genesis# ifconfig ndiso
ndis0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST metric 0 mtu 1500
ether 00:18:39:17:28:35
media: IEEE 802.11 Wireless Ethernet autoselect
status: no carrier
ssid channel 1 (2412 Mhz 11b)
authmode OPEN privacy OFF bmiss 7 scanvalid 60 roaming MANUAL
bintval 0
IHN,
Gene
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Look in output from wpa_supplicant using -d switch
for information about possible misconfiguration.
# wpa_supplicant -d -Dndis -iwlan0 -cMY_CONF.FILE
--
Paul
Paul - thanks for the response.
Did the above - the output shows that wlan could not be found. It's loaded
according to kldstat so I'm not sure what's going on. Should there be an entry
for wlan in rc.conf? Output from wpa_supplicant is below.
Yhanks!
genesis# wpa_supplicant -dd -Dndis -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
Initializing interface 'wlan0' conf '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' driver 'ndis'
ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A'
Configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' - '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
Reading configuration file '/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf'
Line: 1 - start of a new network block
ssid - hexdump_ascii(len=9):
6e 6f 72 74 68 73 74 61 72northstar
PSK (ASCII passphrase) - hexdump_ascii(len=15): [REMOVED]
PSK (from passphrase) - hexdump(len=32): [REMOVED]
Priority group 0
id=0 ssid='northstar'
Initializing interface (2) 'wlan0'
EAPOL: SUPP_PAE entering state DISCONNECTED
EAPOL: KEY_RX entering state NO_KEY_RECEIVE
EAPOL: SUPP_BE entering state INITIALIZE
EAP: EAP entering state DISABLED
EAPOL: External notification - portEnabled=0
EAPOL: External notification - portValid=0
NDIS: Packet.dll version: FreeBSD WinPcap compatibility shim v1.0
NDIS: 1 adapter names found
NDIS: 1 adapter descriptions found
NDIS: 0 - ndis0 - ndis0
NDIS: Could not find interface 'wlan0'
Failed to initialize driver interface
Failed to add interface wlan0
Cancelling scan request
Cancelling authentication timeout
genesis#
IHN,
Gene
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Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? Not that I know of. :-/ I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Ouch. You had to go there, didn't you? -- Kirk Strauser ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the equivalent of Linux command 'ps --forest'?
On 6/5/09, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: How can I see processes in a hierarchical way? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2009-May/006912.html or pstree from ports. -- Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server 10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit I have a P-II at 400 MHz running as a file server. See about 5 MB/sec on most file transfers. Has one of the original 15GB IBM Deskstar drives, and a much slower 6 GB WD drive. Both on ATA16 interfaces. I suspect network speed will determine the limits. A modern SATA drive should be sequentially read or write at at least 80 MB/sec. while a 100M bit/sec ethernet will be limited to 11 MB/sec. Latency of disk drive and network are usually the limiting factors, not server CPU. With gigabit ethernet one could reasonably expect to see 25MB/sec file rates. Depends a lot as to how big the file, the bigger the faster. Used smartctl just now to check, the Deskstar drive has 50331 hours of run time, 5.7 years. Has only been power cycled 72 times. Run time seems low as I have almost never turned this drive off since 2000. The WD drive claims to have 1418293 hours of uptime. Know that is not right. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:59:55PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. YES!This is the biggest of the three things I have against MS and one of the main reasons for using FreeBSD and other Open Source software as much as possible. I think we all forget about third case, open and closed source being first two. The case when you PAY for the product, you are not allowed to copy it to others but you do get a source. It was common years ago with software like unix. And still exist just it's not common. That's not really any different from closed source software in the end, because there's no guarantee that the officially blessed binary wasn't compiled from code modified to do things that the source provided to you doesn't do. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Marvin Minsky: . . . anyone could learn Lisp in 1 day, except that if they already knew Fortran, it would take 3 days. pgpoF1oUsgR4P.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Open_Source
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:49:14AM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I would add - with Open Source add it's far smaller (actually close to zero) probability that it doesn't do anything except it's supposed to do. I mean things like sending private data to someone else, scanning for other programs i have on disk, my addressbook etc. Given enough incentive, it unfortunately seems even open source developers will resort to sneaky tactics: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/mozilla-ponders-policy-change-after-firefox-extension-battle.ars It's worth noting that this was discovered relatively quickly and became public knowledge. If it was closed source software, there's basically just be complaints about incompatibility and speculation without hard evidence. Yes, such perfidy *can* occur even in open source software, but it's easier to discover and, I believe, less likely to occur because of that ease of discovery. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: 'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. pgpqCWujTQk7H.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Open_Source
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. I tend to agree with this take on things, and I follow a similar philosophy of software choice. Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager do you use? Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. But have best fonts :) The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Scott McNealy: Microsoft is now talking about the digital nervous system. I guess I would be nervous if my system was built on their technology too. pgpaJY98wsm24.pgp Description: PGP signature
Are there any fonts I can install to see Mandarin words in the console (non-X)?
In KDE4 Mandarin is displayed correctly everywhere. But in console there are question marks. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ISP questions
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:43:17 -0400, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca said: S If you've ever had a job in which every single incoming call is someone S who is frustrated, angry and is going to take it out on *you*, it might S be understandable why the tech support call centre business is like an S employee revolving door, and they can't keep anyone longer than a few S months. I've been at a US Air Force MIS helpdesk since Sept 1988. I wrote an article about some of my favorite tools, and as an aside I mentioned my time working in IT support. My favorite article comment: If I'm still doing this in 21 years, someone please write a program to kill me. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Oh anchor bimbo, The gleam from your whitened teeth Gives me a migraine.--snotty media haiku ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On 6/5/09, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:49:50AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but it's at least much more difficult. And - my other rule fits very well here. Avoid OVERCOMPLEX programs. I tend to agree with this take on things, and I follow a similar philosophy of software choice. Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager do you use? Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. But have best fonts :) The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. I use mouse with elinks vim in console without problems. -- Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 08:32:38PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Everyone can find them and fix, but at the same time everyone can find them and use them. With closed source both are more difficult. That's not strictly true. In general, it's easier to discover vulnerabilities through reverse engineering techniques, fuzzing, et cetera, than by sifting through source code. The exceptions are cases where someone made a *really* bone-headed coding error. As a result, except when a programmer who adds code to the project is just completely incompetent (or has such an incompetent moment -- we all make mistakes), and it somehow passes review by other people on the development team (unlikely unless people aren't reviewing each others' code), it really isn't any easier to discover security vulnerabilities in open source software than in closed source software. The purely technical difference provided by open source software when it comes to vulnerability discovery and patching is that, once a vulnerability has been found, its origins in the source code can be tracked down and patched by *anyone*. In short, in technical terms, open source software makes it easier to *fix* vulnerabilities because it opens the pool of potential patch developers beyond the core team, but it doesn't really make it any easier to *discover* vulnerabilities in the general case. Then, of course, there are the social effects -- which encourage people who have a healthy interest in the software to contribute to its security and stability through a number of related social mechanisms. Overall, it's a tremendous win for open source software development. That doesn't mean that any given open source application will necessarily, inherently be more secure than any given closed source equivalent. It does, however, mean that if you're a betting man, your chances of winning a bet lie with the open source application, all else being equal. In MICROS~1 land, you give yourself entirely into the hand of a corporation that is not interested in selling secure products, So this is not open/closed source problem, but micro-soft approach. They just don't care about security. As they don't care about performance and about bugs. But that's just micro-soft. Part of the problem of closed source software is that it provides a kind of safe haven for such unscrupulous software developers and vendors, where many such failings of secure development may go unnoticed due to the inability to determine exactly what's going on under the hood once you've noticed there's something wrong with the application. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Common Reformulation of Greenspun's Tenth Rule: Any sufficiently complicated non-Lisp program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. pgp8O7rhKtLb4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Open_Source
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 06:50:39PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly reliable and secure. It's also a much *simpler* piece of software than something like MS Windows, which makes it much easier to secure. That's just one more thing Microsoft does wrong with software development, of course. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Dennis Miller: Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian Cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie. pgphh77aCQmbh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ISP questions
S months. I've been at a US Air Force MIS helpdesk since Sept 1988. I wrote an article about some of my favorite tools, and as an aside I mentioned my time working in IT support. My favorite article comment: If I'm still doing this in 21 years, someone please write a program to kill me. just read polish article about whole US army having to switch to windows vista because someone decided so - no i fully understand you :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 04:06:18PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: Whatever happened to BeOS? Be went out of business. There have been a couple of clone projects to spring up since then. As mentioned, there's Haiku, the heir apparent to BeOS at this point. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Paul Graham: SUVs are gross because they're the solution to a gross problem. (How to make minivans look more masculine.) pgp9pceFjGCzQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opinion request about a file server
10 times more power than needed. disks speed is the only limit I have a P-II at 400 MHz running as a file server. See about 5 MB/sec on it depends from both sides ability, but pentium 100 with SDRAM memory can saturate 100Mbit/s network running FreeBSD 6.2 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: 2009/6/3 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Isn't there an OpenVMS somewhere? There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ No idea of the state it is in. The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Georg Hackl: American beer is the first successful attempt at diluting water. pgpUKvixmCKhy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Open_Source
Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager do you use? fvwm2, BUT not because i like it's tools and widgets, but because all of them can be easily turned off :) My configuration strips everything possible including window titles and borders, window moving and resizing are done with mouse+keyboard combinations, menu shows on keypress and i use it's virtual desktop function to switch between 24 of them using ALT-F* and CTRL-F*. ALT-X start xterm full screen so xterm window looks like text console, with the exception that i can run X program directly. I can post my config if you wish, it's 1700 bytes. Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. But have best fonts :) The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text why? console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a moving works well. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
A counter-example is VMS. It is a commercial product, but highly reliable and secure. It's also a much *simpler* piece of software than something like MS Windows, which makes it much easier to secure. you meant more logical? It's really hard to take care of software product that looks like random mess of different programs+patches without any higher idea - which micro-soft windows is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. so use text mode links/elinks :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:46:21AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. lynx, (e)links(2) and w3m all support a mouse... -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 09:29:30AM -0700, Nerius Landys wrote: Just a thought, you can use the screen utility depending on what you are trying to do. For example if you want to start a job, long out of the machine completely, and then return to your job to see how it's running, you may choose to run screen. screen bash (Press Control-A then d) (Logout from shell) (Log back in) screen -r . . . or use tmux instead of GNU Screen, if you like. I got the impression this question was about a script backgrounding itself, though -- possibly creating a daemon using bash. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Malaclypse the Younger: 'Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. pgpPNu0b1FGoG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Valentin Bud wrote: Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v The short answer is yes - this will be fine for what you need. This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. is really pentium 4 downlevel hardware? sound like a joke to me. i made all-need server for small office (8 people) using PIII/500 and 384 MB RAM. i charged them only for configuration and new harddrive, server is for free :) it runs mail server (including spamassassin, and dovecot), file and print server (samba), asterisk VoIP software, squid proxy and www server. with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware problem, but windows problem :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Wojciech Puchar wrote: This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. is really pentium 4 downlevel hardware? sound like a joke to me. Not really. But considering how everyone is buying Core Duos and quads these days, you can get decent P4s for free. Not that I complain about it ;) Got three of them running and have donated few more. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
2009/6/5 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: 2009/6/3 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl: On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:35:31PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:46:15 -0500, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Isn't there an OpenVMS somewhere? There is an open source clone in the works: http://www.freevms.net/ No idea of the state it is in. The OZONE OS [http://www.o3one.org/] uses a lot of VMS concepts. I just LOVE the webpage. The kind of one I'd make in my spare time... That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. Hehe, mine is the opposite if you're interested; http://www.bayofrum.net Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser k...@strauser.com: On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? Not that I know of. :-/ I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Ouch. You had to go there, didn't you? I feel GNU is very similar in many ways to DOS, along with their preference for 'long options'. Horrible. You end up with monstrosities of commands. Traditional: % tar xzvf bluurgh.tgz GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 13:23, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/5 Kirk Strauser k...@strauser.com: On Friday 05 June 2009 11:50:58 am Chris Rees wrote: Is there a 'quick' way to use emacs instead of info? Like info-emacs topic? Not that I know of. :-/ I've remembered why I hate the info browser so much; it reminds me of the 'help' included with MS-DOS 6.22. Anyone remember that? Ouch. You had to go there, didn't you? I feel GNU is very similar in many ways to DOS, along with their preference for 'long options'. Horrible. You end up with monstrosities of commands. Traditional: % tar xzvf bluurgh.tgz GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? At a guess? Probably because it allows more options for the command line, and more easily read options, too. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:23:06PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: Seriously, why are long options encouraged? Some programs simply have a lot of options, and after a dozen or so, a single letter loses its mnemonic value. X applications have been using long options for 20 years - long enough to get used to the notion. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Wojciech Puchar wrote: This is one place where FreeBSD is very good. It will give you performance on slightly downlevel hardware that Windows Server just can't touch. is really pentium 4 downlevel hardware? sound like a joke to me. Sorry - it wasn't really intended that way. Please note that slightly downlevel... was meant to refer to a combination of older Netburst architecture and consumer retail motherboard. The Core Xeons that replaced the old Netburst processors are much better performers. In a true datacenter server environment wrt file serving it is better to spend money on I/O rather than CPU. A server motherboard (as opposed to consumer retail) will have better I/O subsystems, enabling better throughput. i made all-need server for small office (8 people) using PIII/500 and 384 MB RAM. i charged them only for configuration and new harddrive, server is for free :) it runs mail server (including spamassassin, and dovecot), file and print server (samba), asterisk VoIP software, squid proxy and www server. Reminds me of my very first FreeBSD server box. It was a Pentium 75MHz that I had overclocked up to 100MHz. I used it on my then dial up connection as a gateway/firewall and pretty much the collection of services you described. With a user load of one (me) it did just fine. with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware problem, but windows problem :) At some point (when I went to a DSL broadband connection) I replaced the above box with a K-6 II 500MHz with 384MB RAM. Same collection of multiple services. This box was previously utilized for beta testing Windows NT 3.5, 3.51, and NT 4. So I was able to make a direct comparison between running Windows NT and FreeBSD on the exact same piece of hardware. FreeBSD simply just made better use of the hardware and outperformed NT. In order to match what FreeBSD was capable of NT would require a more powerful hardware platform. It still remains that, in spite of the OP using a consumer retail motherboard and not a true server component his FreeBSD/Samba arrangement will work just fine for what he and his 4 users have in mind for their needs. I believe the performance characteristics of FreeBSD will maximize his return on CPU cycles. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Sorry - it wasn't really intended that way. Please note that slightly downlevel... was meant to refer to a combination of older Netburst architecture and consumer retail motherboard. The Core Xeons that replaced the old Netburst processors are much better performers. In a true datacenter server environment wrt file serving it is indeed. pentium IV in average usage (contrary to special cases like video encoding) are even 40% slower per clock cycle than pentium III. new core2duo are mostly improved pentium III with higher clock and more cache :) better to spend money on I/O rather than CPU. A server motherboard (as opposed to consumer retail) will have better I/O subsystems, enabling better throughput. indeed. in most unix usage patterns it's more important than CPU speed. with proper configuration it rarely swaps, and can easily saturate 100Mbit/s LAN, just not with single transfer, but it's not hardware problem, but windows problem :) At some point (when I went to a DSL broadband connection) I replaced the above box with a K-6 II 500MHz with 384MB RAM. Same collection of multiple somehow comparable to my config with sligtly slower CPU, would perform similar in my case. services. This box was previously utilized for beta testing Windows NT 3.5, 3.51, and NT 4. So I was able to make a direct comparison between running Windows NT and FreeBSD on the exact same piece of hardware. FreeBSD simply there is no sense of any comparision ;) just made better use of the hardware and outperformed NT. In order to match what FreeBSD was capable of NT would require a more powerful hardware platform. No. it can't do most things that unix is capable of, unless you install cygwin ;) will work just fine for what he and his 4 users have in mind for their needs. I believe the performance characteristics of FreeBSD will maximize his return on CPU cycles. my home laptop (PIII-M/1133) is rarely limited by CPU power. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? there are people that like to write a lot? ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RegEx
Hi all,
Does anyone know of a current mailing list that discusses regular expressions?
I have Googled a number of time, but everything I find is old.
Specifically, I am looking for a modification to this per code:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
...
my $iframeexp=[\IFRAMEiframe ]+.+$ifdomainname+.+[\/\\IFRAMEiframe];
...
foreach (@readin){
...
if( $_ =~ /$iframeexp/) {
print Found Match in (HTML?) $fullname\n;
$_ =~ s/$iframeexp/$replace/g;
$matched = 1;
if ($logfiles == 1) {
open(LOG, $logpath) or warn cannot open $logpath;
print LOG IFRAME (HTML?) found in $fullname\n;
close(LOG);
...
exit;
That does not strip out the BODY... part of a line that in an html file (if
the iframe ... exists on the same line as the body tag).
-Grant
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Re: Opinion request about a file server
is really pentium 4 downlevel hardware? sound like a joke to me. Not really. But considering how everyone is buying Core Duos and quads these days, you can get decent P4s for free. could you please tell me where i can get P4 machine for free? :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 10:49:19PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? there are people that like to write a lot? ;) no..., otherwise the people generating this thread would cite realistic examples, rather than writing a lot. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
2009/6/5 Thomas Dickey dic...@radix.net: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 10:49:19PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: GNU recommended: $ tar --extract --verbose --gunzip --file bluurgh.tgz Seriously, why are long options encouraged? there are people that like to write a lot? ;) no..., otherwise the people generating this thread would cite realistic examples, rather than writing a lot. The point I was trying to make (badly), was that long options are a PITA to type. I don't believe it's any easier to learn the long names for options than the short ones. Since you're typing huge amounts of text quickly, you're more likely to make mistakes, and you'll probably forget them anyway. So, instead of looking up short options in the man page, I am then reduced to riffling through the info tome, to find the long option that I've forgotten. No really, I do forget long options. A lot. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
I think my file/print/mail server is a bit overkill: http://w3.mutehq.net:8008/sysinfo/ 2009/6/5 Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.com: Hello community, I have an old computer (ASRock P4Dual-915GL) with Intel P4 CPU at 3.0Ghz and 2Gb of RAM. I am asking the list maybe is somebody out there with a similar configuration and running FreeBSD on such a system as a File Server and Print Server using samba. What i mainly try to achieve, talking in storage space, is 2 HDD of 1TB in mirroring using gmirror(8) and 1 separate HDD of 500Gb. So do you think the system I've mentioned would handle the load? The server will be used by 4 people for storage of all sorts of files that can be found in Design and daily Office World (Photoshop, Illustrator, etc, Word Documents, etc). Thank you, v -- network warrior since 2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gabriel Lavoie glav...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
2009/6/5 Gabriel Lavoie glav...@gmail.com: I think my file/print/mail server is a bit overkill: http://w3.mutehq.net:8008/sysinfo/ What a waste... How much power does that chug?? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Date representation as YY/DDD or YYYY/DDD
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 10:11:00PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: The point I was trying to make (badly), was that long options are a PITA to type. I don't believe it's any easier to learn the long names for options than the short ones. Since you're typing huge amounts of text quickly, you're more likely to make mistakes, and you'll probably forget them anyway. One can have long options in a user-friendly way (some implementors choose to allow them to be abbreviated; some environments do name-completion). As I'm editing this remark, for example, I'm using a text editor that does name-completion (a good thing since it has several hundred commands, which can each be bound to a single character, etc). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgpaYBJpO4PDX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RegEx
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Grant Peel wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know of a current mailing list that discusses regular expressions? No. Well I don't anyway. I have Googled a number of time, but everything I find is old. Sometimes the old stuff is best. If you had googled very much you should have encounter a statement of this fact: regexes are not suitable for parsing HTML. (Yes, everyone does it for simple one-liner operations when they have complete control of the source and know what is in it. But for production code, regexes won't do, and there should be pages and pages of explanations for why it won't.) Install the p5-HTML-Parser port in the www ports. Address further questions to an appropriate perl forum. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
GCC/GCJ and pdftk
Hello, I'm a little confused. I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: === pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found === pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found ===Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 === Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 Error: shared library gcj does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... Thanks very much in advance! -- Joe Auty NetMusician: web publishing software for musicians http://www.netmusician.org j...@netmusician.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Much less than a Pentium 4! Exactly I don't know. This server is a normal PC with a 380W PSU (still too much for the hardware). The funny thing is that the CPU in it (Pentium Dual Core E5200 45nm) is supposed to draw under 4W of power when idle with EIST enabled. This power draw on Intel 45nm CPUs had been tested with a Core 2 Quad! What I can say is that this server uses a lot less power than the Pentium II (dual CPU) it replaced and it's much more powerful. It really made a difference in my electricity bill. 2009/6/5 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com: 2009/6/5 Gabriel Lavoie glav...@gmail.com: I think my file/print/mail server is a bit overkill: http://w3.mutehq.net:8008/sysinfo/ What a waste... How much power does that chug?? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? -- Gabriel Lavoie glav...@gmail.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
On 6/5/09, Gabriel Lavoie glav...@gmail.com wrote: Much less than a Pentium 4! Exactly I don't know. This server is a normal PC with a 380W PSU (still too much for the hardware). The funny thing is that the CPU in it (Pentium Dual Core E5200 45nm) is supposed to draw under 4W of power when idle with EIST enabled. This power draw on Intel 45nm CPUs had been tested with a Core 2 Quad! What I can say is that this server uses a lot less power than the Pentium II (dual CPU) it replaced and it's much more powerful. It really made a difference in my electricity bill. 2009/6/5 Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com: 2009/6/5 Gabriel Lavoie glav...@gmail.com: I think my file/print/mail server is a bit overkill: http://w3.mutehq.net:8008/sysinfo/ What a waste... How much power does that chug?? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? And my ALIX based boards with 1 microdrives run just as well as a router, plus I got a CVS mirror on it, NFS server, and I will be adding webserver and maybe mail to it too. They're not GHz machines, but for a routing platform, how often do you even hit 200MHz? The 500MHz ALIX board is doing beautifully for me. silent, too. Have a good weekend, all. --TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What's wrong with this picture?
Ian, On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 04:00:40PM +1000, Ian Smith wrote: Woj, 20 out of 36 messages, over 55% of all these messages, are by you. ... You are equally as capable in this role as wannabe list wrecker, opining on every second message including all the silly wildly off-topic ones. If you elect to filter this person's traffic, and are concerned that you'll continue to be inundated with replies, I'd like to suggest a small procmail script I wrote years ago. http://www.it.ca/~paul/s/procmail-filter-msgid It caches the message-id of the troll's posts and filters the message (redirect or bitbucket). It then caches the message-id of any message that includes a cached message-id in its headers (i.e. In-Reply-To, Refererences) and filters that too. The effect is to hide not just the troll's mail, but all the conversations he starts. I haven't actively used this thing since 2003, but procmail hasn't changed much in that time either. Hope it helps. Sometimes killing the trolls is just too much effort. -- Paul Chvostek p...@it.ca it.canadahttp://www.it.ca/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: phidgets for FreeBSD?
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 01:25:09AM +1000, Ian Smith wrote: On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:07:53 +0300 Ghirai ghi...@ghirai.com wrote: Is there any (native) FreeBSD supoprt for Phidgets (http://www.phidgets.com? Someone seems to have attempted (and succeeded) to run things on 7.0, some time ago, but there doesn't seem to be any further info (http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=2t=507). Any ideas? No, but colour me interested too. Thanks for the pointer. Copying this to Brooks, who started that thread in 2005 with a patch for phidgets 2.0, which left me wondering if anything has become of that in the 2.1 linux sources, which I'm just grabbing. I've not really found time to do much since then. I think I've still got an ancient port around somewhere. All my patch did was refactor the error handling which caused basic stuff to work for me. I'm generally interested in whether linux applications using libusb are more likely than not to work on FreeBSD, operational differences between libusb on FreeBSD and linux, and whether our new USB stack has changed anything in that equation at all? As a rule, libusb stuff will work. Historically the function to allow a kernel driver (usually hid) to be detached hasn't been supported, but otherwise it's functional. -- Brooks pgpE9EDKMft8B.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?
=
#!/bin/bash
# This script will sleep
# 50 times for 1 second in
# the background
main()
{
for ((i=0 ; i=50 ;i++))
do
sleep 1
let i++
done
}
main
# EOF
==
--
Best regards,
Daniel
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Re: Opinion request about a file server
Much less than a Pentium 4! Exactly I don't know. This server is a normal PC with a 380W PSU (still too much for the hardware). The funny thing is that the CPU in it (Pentium Dual Core E5200 45nm) is supposed to draw under 4W of power when idle with EIST enabled. This power draw unless CPU are constantly loaded it takes minor part of power. maybe your CPU takes 4W, but other chips on motherboard takes MUCH more. it would be good to measure it with electricity meter :) i bet close to 100W ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can a Bourn Shell Script put itself in the background?
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:02:00 -0600,
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com said:
C I got the impression this question was about a script backgrounding itself,
C though -- possibly creating a daemon using bash.
Same here. This seems a bit slimy, but it works (assuming you don't
already have an environment variable called DAEMON):
me% cat doit
#!/bin/ksh
# script to daemonize itself.
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin; export PATH
umask 022
env | grep 'DAEMON=yes' /dev/null
case $? in
0) logger -t test $$ is a daemon, args $@
;;
1) echo $$ not a daemon, args $@
DAEMON=yes daemon $0 ${1+$@}
;;
esac
exit 0
me% ./doit a b c
18131 not a daemon, args a b c
me% tail -1 /var/log/syslog
Jun 5 18:41:54 host test: 18135 is a daemon, args a b c
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Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources
Steve Bertrand wrote: Chris St Denis wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: What type of device is em1 attached to? Is it a switch or a hub? Is it possible to upgrade this? You should upgrade it to 100 (or 1000) anyways. Does this device show any collisions? This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact switch specs but it's likely a layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst. Do you force 10Mb on your NIC, or do you auto-negotiate that? Perhaps before you pay a higher fee, your colo centre could allow you to connect to a 100Mb port (with perhaps some traffic policing) so you, as a client, could quickly verify if you want to scale up to their next tier without having to spend these up-front costs on troubleshooting this back-asswards. I can upgrade the connection to 100mbps for a small monthly fee. I've left it at 10 because I haven't had a need, but with traffic recently growing, this is probably the problem. Tell the colo that. Tell them you need to test their next tier of service! # mail -s tcpdump output st...@ipv6canada.com /var/log/dns.pcap I don't think this is necessary. If cutting down the http traffic or raising the port speed doesn't fix it, I'll look into further debugging with this. ...one more time, don't attempt to throttle your own traffic to troubleshoot what looks like a throughput bottleneck. Start with the collocation provider. They should, for free, allow you to have a testing period with their next service tier. Hopefully, they can do it without having to swap your Ethernet cable into another device. If it works during the test, then a small 'migration' and monthly upgrade fee would be acceptable (if they choose). Steve The problem was resolved by switching to 100Mbps. It's interesting that bind is all that complains about the bandwidth exhaustion, but I guess it's about my only use of UDP and TCP is better able to handle this kind of issue so doesn't complain. -- Chris St Denis Programmer SmarttNet (www.smartt.com) Ph: 604-473-9700 Ext. 200 --- Smart Internet Solutions For Businesses ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:22:48PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. so use text mode links/elinks :) Maybe I will, if I ever visit that site again. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Richard Pattis: If you cannot grok the overall structure of a program while taking a shower, e.g., with no external memory aids, you are not ready to code it. pgp71ZLRZb5qC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Open_Source
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 09:17:17PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: 2009/6/5 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com: That's horrifying. Remind me to never visit one of your Webpages. Luckily, I can touch-type, because the temporary blindness induced by that site when the bright yellow irradiated my retinas still hasn't entirely faded. Hehe, mine is the opposite if you're interested; http://www.bayofrum.net Actually, that's much better -- though a lot of it seems broken. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Martin Luther: Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? pgpQIIUqaPE08.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GCC/GCJ and pdftk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Larkin wrote: Joe Auty wrote: Hello, I'm a little confused. I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: === pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found === pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found ===Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 === Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 Error: shared library gcj does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... Thanks very much in advance! Hi Joe, Yes, that was perfectly clear to me, and I tried a test build of gcc42 with Java support enabled. It looked like it mostly worked, but there were some missing executables and packaging errors, so there might need to be an additional configure argument enabled. I'll look into it again next week, and I'm sure I'll have to contact the GCC port maintainer to get his feedback about gcj support on amd64. I did read some posts that indicated that even if it builds, it still doesn't work correctly, but they might have been from a while back. Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKKaX+0sRouByUApARAm5pAJ47qmWYmsZ7a7H63XnjmTTsDYjDDgCcC9ng sz+6HtUnNfc0VOPzvZM73gg= =abNy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Open_Source
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:20:24PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Slight tangent, and you may have mentioned it before: What window manager do you use? fvwm2, BUT not because i like it's tools and widgets, but because all of them can be easily turned off :) My configuration strips everything possible including window titles and borders, window moving and resizing are done with mouse+keyboard combinations, menu shows on keypress and i use it's virtual desktop function to switch between 24 of them using ALT-F* and CTRL-F*. ALT-X start xterm full screen so xterm window looks like text console, with the exception that i can run X program directly. I can post my config if you wish, it's 1700 bytes. No need. It sounds like my setup is even more minimal, and I'm happy with it. I was just curious. Unfortunately there are no well done WWW browsers for unix in the world. links -g is an exceptions, but in the same time it's quite limited. But have best fonts :) The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text why? That was explained in the stuff you cut out. console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a moving works well. It works in a slow, tedious fashion, without much fine-grained control. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Jon Postel, RFC 761: [B]e conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others. pgpCqdKPaoNAv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Open_Source
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:33:28PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:46:21AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: The links browser's interface is crap, as is that of every other text console based browser I've ever encountered. Moving around within a page and selecting a link are two tasks for which text console based browsers have not provided an even halfway decent interface. It seems as though Web browsers provide a rare case of an application type that is specifically suited primarily for a mouse-driven interface. lynx, (e)links(2) and w3m all support a mouse... . . . but not nearly as well as Firefox. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Scott McNealy: Microsoft is now talking about the digital nervous system. I guess I would be nervous if my system was built on their technology too. pgpELQ6jtySHR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: named: error sending response: not enough free resources
This is a dedicated server in a datacenter. I don't know the exact switch specs but it's likely a layer 2/3 managed switch. Probably a 1U catalyst. you mean cisco? there are actually most problematic switches. They don't properly autonegotiate speed and full/half duplex with many network cards. For example card is set to full duplex, cisco to half duplex, or reverse. More funny - even this doesn't help always. the only way to be sure it's fine is to set up speed manually on both sides. in one place i have connectivity from upstream provider that uses cisco switch. They set up speed to 100Mbps and to full duplex on their side, but many NICs does not work with it fine. It works but there are packet losses, or messages showing that card sometimes can't send packet etc. Actually - cheapest RTL8139 works best, digital 21140 or broadcom chips does not. I really wasted a lot of time to discover that cisco really works well with: - another cisco - realtek NICs - some cheapest 5 or 8 port switches ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 12:43:23AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Much less than a Pentium 4! Exactly I don't know. This server is a normal PC with a 380W PSU (still too much for the hardware). The funny thing is that the CPU in it (Pentium Dual Core E5200 45nm) is supposed to draw under 4W of power when idle with EIST enabled. This power draw unless CPU are constantly loaded it takes minor part of power. maybe your CPU takes 4W, but other chips on motherboard takes MUCH more. A bit more perphaps, but not MUCH more. The main chipset itself will almost certainly not draw more than 20-25W when working. Less when idle. (If it is a chipset with integrated graphics you can add a few watts to that, but probably not much more than that.) Modern RAM-memory will draw perhaps 1-3W per DIMM, depending on size and technology. The remaing chips does not draw much. (After all they don't generate enough heat to require heatsinks.) The only really power hungry component in a modern system apart from the CPU is the graphic card - and that only when using the more high-end models. it would be good to measure it with electricity meter :) i bet close to 100W Not counting the CPU and its power circuitry, I would be very suprised if the other components on a normal motherboard pulled as much as half of that even when under load. In fact a typical modern desktop computer will, when idle, draw less than 100W for the whole system. It is not even difficult to put together a system that will stay under 100W even when under load. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: GCC/GCJ and pdftk
I need pdftk to compile on an amd64 system, and see in the pdftk Makefile the following: # gcj/libgcj don't exist on these platforms NOT_FOR_ARCHS= amd64 ia64 sparc64 NOT_FOR_ARCHS is _usually_ there for a reason. In this case, it's because the lang/gcc4* maintainer hasn't devised a way to build gcj successfully on architectures other than i386, although in theory this should be possible, and the print/pdftk maintainer hasn't devised a way to build that port without gcj. However, I've also read in the pdftk port logs that gcj is included in GCC 3.4+ when WITHOUT_JAVA in the GCC Makefile is set to no or commented out. So, I compiled GCC with gcj support without a problem, and Oh yes, did you? Really? How? Better look again. commented out the NOT_FOR_ARCHS line above to force an install of pdftk: === pdftk-1.41 depends on executable: gmake - found === pdftk-1.41 depends on shared library: gcj - not found ===Verifying install for gcj in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 === Returning to build of pdftk-1.41 Error: shared library gcj does not exist gcj does indeed exist in /usr/ports/lang/gcc42: # find /usr/ports/lang/gcc42 -name gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gnu/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/gcc-4.2-20090325/libjava/gcj /usr/ports/lang/gcc42/work/build/gcc/gcj The gcj that the port is searching for must be the appropriate binary executable, or a link to it, and must be in your PATH. In this case, if properly installed via the port, it would be: gcj42, gcj43, gcj44, or gcj45, and would be in /usr/local/bin. All that you have done is find what I suspect are empty directories in the WRKDIR for the lang/gcc42 port. Consider the 'which' command; or limiting the directories searched and the using of '-not -type d' if employing 'find' in this way in the future. Any suggestions as to what I can do to build pdftk? This particular project will surely be much harder if I can't get pdftk to build/compile... In the order of increasing effort: 1) Use a tool other than pdftk to manipulate your PDF files. pdftk is just a wrapper around an old version of devel/itext, structured with the idea of compiling it with gcj. You could just install Java and use the more up-to-date devel/itext. Or use print/ghostscript8, graphics/poppler, or print/xpdf, either directly or via one of the many programs (for example, print/kpdftool) that use them to do the dirty work. Also textproc/p5-CAM-PDF, print/py-pdf, ... 2) Switch your system to i386 and use pdftk. 3) Find a way to build gcj on architectures other than i386, or persuade or browbeat gerald@ into doing it. Debian has packages for other architectures, for example. You could look at what they've done. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
Not counting the CPU and its power circuitry, I would be very suprised if the other components on a normal motherboard pulled as much as half of that even when under load. In fact a typical modern desktop computer will, when idle, draw less than 100W for the whole system. It is not even difficult to put together a system that will stay under 100W even when under load. but power supplies are not really efficient when used at small load. maybe some newer are better... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion request about a file server
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 01:31:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Not counting the CPU and its power circuitry, I would be very suprised if the other components on a normal motherboard pulled as much as half of that even when under load. In fact a typical modern desktop computer will, when idle, draw less than 100W for the whole system. It is not even difficult to put together a system that will stay under 100W even when under load. but power supplies are not really efficient when used at small load. maybe some newer are better... It is true that most PSUs have their highest efficiency at about half their maximum load and that this efficiency tends to drop very noticeably at very low loads. The efficency of high-quality PSUs has improved quite a bit over the last couple of years though, to the extent that a modern high-quality PSU running at a low load will still have higher efficiency than an ordinary 5-year old PSU had at its best. Be that as it may, when I was talking about the power draw of the whole system, I meant the whole system, including PSU, so any power losses in the PSU are included in the 100W mentioned. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Installing latest version of LaTeX
I added the winefish package (LaTeX editor) and installed the print/latex port. During the installation/building of the latex port, I received a message that the version being installed was over 5 years old. When I tried to add latex via pkg_add, I had no success (I assumed the package was named latex, but it wasn't found). Winefish works, and latex appears to be installed, but I get errors using code I know to be flawless. I suspect this relates to out-of-date latex on my machine. MY QUESTION: Please help me to install the newest version of latex. I'm using 7.2-RELEASE. Thanks, Daniel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing latest version of LaTeX
MY QUESTION: Please help me to install the newest version of latex. I'm using 7.2-RELEASE. Install the latest version available in FreeBSD Ports, which is in print/teTeX. If your program still doesn't function properly, then you're probably have to install a more recent version of TeX Live ( http://www.tug.org/texlive/ ) on your own, because despite repeated attempts and a lot of talk, no one has introduced this into FreeBSD Ports yet. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
