Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 05:27:55 Erik Trulsson wrote: The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and created it and was for a while the only one using it and since AMD named the architecture AMD64 that was the name FreeBSD used too. Later Intel also started using it (while using their own name(s) for it), but FreeBSD has stuck with the name amd64. This isn't completely correct. There is actually an ia64 architecture, before Intel was ready to give up the who dictates the PC 64bit architecture battle. There's a handful of CPU's who use that instruction set, but later Intel switched to supporting AMD's instruction set and thus the PC 64 bit architecture now is amd64. It'll be fun to see people asking in a few years why Oracle processors are called sparc64... Now I come to think of it, isn't it strange apple(or IBM) never joined in the whole 64-bits naming race spactacle. No one ever calls a PowerPC 970 processor a PowerPC-64, or a IBM64 or anything like it... Nor have I ever heard the term RISC64. Too bad we won't have to worry about that anymore, since PowerPC is dead and Mac Pro's are now amd64(or Intel 64 or x86-64 whichever would be the correct term ;-) ) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Some problems with Marvell Yukon NIC
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 06:44:15PM +0300, Anton typed: Hello freebsd-questions, Found the solution here: [1]http ://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2008-10/msg01065 .html But do not know how to apply patch :-( The URL you posted says it all: Save attached patch to /path/to/patch #cd /usr/src/sys/dev/msk #patch -p0 /path/to/patch/msk.watchdog.diff And rebuild your kernel. What else is there to know? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install (broken ports tree)
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:50 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:53:22 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. I believe you have a defective ports tree. You should have the following file: SHA256 (/usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr) = 629097523839c5e305a4115c1b3629029b734166e5ff8f73923812e0149e9912 If you do not, then try updating your ports tree and look for errors/warnings with whatever method you're using. Hi Mel, In /usr/ports/ i deleted everything. Then I ran a portsnap fetch and then portsnap extract and portsnap update. But I still get Missing pkg-descr for dtach-0.8. my shasum on /usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr is the same as yours How can I completely wipe out the ports and start over? Regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
Coert Waagmeester skrev: Hello all, What is the best way to install eclipse on FreeBSD 7.2? On Linux I installed java, and downloaded the newest eclipse. Regards, Coert ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Hi Coert, I had an issue some time back and I posted this to the list. I don't know if it'll help you. -- Dear mailing list, I don't know if anyone has noticed or if it's my machine having stale ports but it seems that to make eclipse 3.4.1 working on FreeBSD 7.1 STABLE with diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_4 you need to do the following: Do _not_ make clean until you have made: cp /usr/ports/java/eclipse/work/plugins/org.eclipse.swt.gtk.freebsd.x86/gtk/library/libswt* /usr/local/diablo-jdk1.6.0/jre/lib/i386/client/ It seems like make install builds the swt-gtk:s but that the .jar somehow 'misses' adding them in. /Roger -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Mark Stapper st...@mapper.nl wrote: ... PowerPC is dead ... I suspect both IBM and Freescale would beg to differ :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)
Many people's only familiarity with computers in general will be from a Windows centric perspective. Somehow there is a tendency to believe that inserting a CD, booting, and then proceeding to click OK in a dialog box a few dozen times makes them some kind of expert when they successfully get Windows installed. Coming from a Windows centric environment myself I initially found that there was a great deal of material to be learned, and RTFM was the way to do it. I've noticed people who come from university computer science programs have a much better foundation upon which to build. Most computer users do not fit this category, myself included. While this deficiency can be overcome with self study, I am also aware that not everyone who reads documentation necessarily understands the material. If too much background education is missing the documentation just resembles gobbeldy-gook and is ignored, with the fall back position of click OK a few dozen times and the OS will take care of it for me expected to pick up the slack. I would not be where I am today in my understanding and use of FreeBSD if not for the excellent documentation and surrounding community. I feel I owe my success in utilizing FreeBSD to the people who took the time to write this stuff down for people like me to use. It is with a great measure of gratitude to these people I owe my success. [snip] -Mike In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should. The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user. Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run most) as part of a computer. How many people say My computer is broken when µ$ Office doesn't start anymore. They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use, they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's. (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they do make sure we pay less for our components.) Even though I'd feel less cool or nerdy (which is basically the same thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for $20 less because it runs FreeBSD. To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean easier I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to rm -rf / as root, so to say. Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD. Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and collecting the basic/standard applications. It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc. One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom of choice. However most users don't care! I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc. The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either. And the circle of life continues. So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities and I won't bother you with it but i'm updating functionality. Just some thoughts.. I'll get back to work now... ... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Looking for fast graphical web browser
Randall Wood wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 11:53:22AM +0200, Wolfgang Riegler wrote: Has anyone tested Arora? I'm actually surprised no one has recommended Konqueror. It's not my favorite browser (I happen to love Opera) but it would seem to mostly fit the bill of fast, graphical. One trick it does that I appreciate is assigning a letter to every link. When you hold down the control key, the letters appear and you can navigate just by pressing control and a letter key. Konqueror certainly has its detractors though, so I guess it's a matter of taste. Happy hunting. opera Opera is suitable for anyone who takes the time to configure it to their wishes. That said, it would probably suit every FreeBSD user... Am I right? I'm right, right? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Mark Stapper st...@mapper.nl wrote: ... PowerPC is dead ... Well yes (lousy excuse coming up!) I meant in the PC/Mac world... ;-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)
On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. [snip] To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean easier I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to rm -rf / as root, so to say. This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to mind - I can't remember what the other one is called. PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified package manager. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman)
Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. It's called PC-BSD. HTH HAND Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Opera in your repos
Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:43:05AM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: [snip] Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a distro, but a UNIX operating system. :) We can't quite agree on that ;) BSD=Berkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. I'd point him to bsdstats for some numbers but it doesn't seem very functional ATM. [snip] Regards, As the whole amd64/x86 discussion proved, people on this list (including me) might do good in reading more Shakespear... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman)
Matthew Seaman wrote: Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. It's called PC-BSD. HTH HAND Matthew Nice thanks! I'll be sure to send my grandpa this link! :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: eclipse install (SOLVED broken ports tree)
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 09:08 +0200, Coert Waagmeester wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:50 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:53:22 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I tried it via the ports, but this error keeps popping up: Missing pkg-descr for patch-2.5.9. I believe you have a defective ports tree. You should have the following file: SHA256 (/usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr) = 629097523839c5e305a4115c1b3629029b734166e5ff8f73923812e0149e9912 If you do not, then try updating your ports tree and look for errors/warnings with whatever method you're using. Hi Mel, In /usr/ports/ i deleted everything. Then I ran a portsnap fetch and then portsnap extract and portsnap update. But I still get Missing pkg-descr for dtach-0.8. my shasum on /usr/ports/devel/patch/pkg-descr is the same as yours How can I completely wipe out the ports and start over? Regards, Coert Hello all, I fixed the ports problem following this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-December/037566.html I have PKGDIR variable exported. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Mel Flynnmel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: Your best bet is to poll the mobile list (CC'd) to see if anyone was able to get FreeBSD working on this laptop (or even to know whether this is a lost cause till somebody makes some patches for this laptop). Since 7.2 also does not work and with 8.0-RELEASE being in it's final stages, it's unlikely you can get some priority from the developers for it being a regression bug. The acpi and missing disk can be related (most likely are), but unless you get at least a live FS working (even the USB image for 8.0-BETA2) it will be hard to get an acpidump(8). So this really depends on someone knowledgeable having this laptop or BIOS tricks that get you to a stage where more info can be gathered and saved/snapshot. Ok, I understand chances to have it running in the short term are not high :-) Anyway, and since I am replying to the mobile list, I am available to provide more information about the laptop. I have Linux running on it and I believe there is something similar to the acpidump (not sure if its the same tool as in FreeBSD or if their outputs are compatible) that I could use to provide some more details. Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 14:35:40 Mark Stapper wrote: Mel Flynn wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 05:27:55 Erik Trulsson wrote: The amd64 architecture is called that because it was AMD who invented and created it and was for a while the only one Now I come to think of it, isn't it strange apple(or IBM) never joined in the whole 64-bits naming race spactacle. Because people using them, new what they were doing. Nor have I ever heard the term RISC64. Too bad we won't have to worry about that anymore, since PowerPC is dead and Mac Pro's are now amd64(or Intel 64 or x86-64 whichever would be the IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the Itanium? Yes, also Intel can fail. Intel also failed with their first 32 bit design. Wasn't iAPX-32 ist name? Long before the 80386 came up? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Erich Dollansky wrote: Because people using them, new what they were doing. And probably didn't care... IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the Itanium? The one that didn't stick... indeed. Yes, also Intel can fail. Intel also failed with their first 32 bit design. Wasn't iAPX-32 ist name? Long before the 80386 came up? As I was an embryo when the 80386 was first produced, I searched for this one... Possibally the same thing though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 16:40:41 Mark Stapper wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the Itanium? The one that didn't stick... indeed. do they really sell machines with this CPU in numbers? I have not seen one in the wild. Yes, also Intel can fail. Intel also failed with their first 32 bit design. Wasn't iAPX-32 ist name? Long before the 80386 came up? As I was an embryo when the 80386 was first produced, I searched for this one... Possibally the same thing though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 Oh, yes, the 4 was missing. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy!
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:39:38AM -0600, Modulok wrote: But I'm also looking for a good way to generate high quality crypto keys. In the later case, the data being protected are disk images of clients...mountains of sensitive data. These will be on USB keys, and thus do not need to be memorized. Assuming my clients are not enemies of a state, /dev/random should be a sufficient source for this purpose, correct? i.e: dd if=/dev/random of=foo.key bs=256 count=1 It should be good enough... but you need to do so reading on non-linear key spaces first. Depending on the symmetric cipher, not all keys are equally strong; and if you're unlucky, you may catch one of those bad keys through /dev/random. However, this is a fairly advanced crypto topic. Thanks guys! -Modulok- -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:18:09PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 16:40:41 Mark Stapper wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the Itanium? The one that didn't stick... indeed. do they really sell machines with this CPU in numbers? Yes, but not very large numbers - especially not compared to x86 machines. According to some estimates quoted in the Wikipedia article on Itanium, Intel manufactures around 200,000 Itanium CPUs per year, which translates to a far smaller number of machines since most of them are multi-CPU systems. By far the largest seller of Itanium-based systems is HP (which also partnered with Intel in creating the IA64 architecture in the first place.) I have not seen one in the wild. Not surprising since the Itanium is mainly used in the kind of high-end server systems that us ordinary people rarely see and certainly can't afford to buy. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Jonathan McKeownj.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. [snip] To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean easier I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to rm -rf / as root, so to say. This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to mind - I can't remember what the other one is called. DesktopBSD PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified package manager. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)
In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should. The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user. Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run most) as part of a computer. How many people say My computer is broken when µ$ Office doesn't start anymore. They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use, they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's. (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they do make sure we pay less for our components.) Even though I'd feel less cool or nerdy (which is basically the same thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for $20 less because it runs FreeBSD. To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean easier I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to rm -rf / as root, so to say. Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD. Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and collecting the basic/standard applications. It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc. One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom of choice. However most users don't care! I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc. The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either. And the circle of life continues. So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities and I won't bother you with it but i'm updating functionality. Just some thoughts.. I'll get back to work now... ... I must say that I find this (new) thread a bit funny since it was inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many years (over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2overwrites partitions)
- Original Message - From: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com To: Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2overwrites partitions) On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Jonathan McKeownj.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:43:47 Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. [snip] To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean easier I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to rm -rf / as root, so to say. This is what a couple of projects are already doing. PC-BSD springs to mind - I can't remember what the other one is called. DesktopBSD DesktopBSD Project is dead for now... PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified package manager. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ftps ?
Le Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:02:58 +0300, Odhiambo ワシントン odhia...@gmail.com a écrit : # grep ftps /etc/services ftps-data 989/tcp# ftp protocol, data, over TLS/SSL ftps-data 989/udp ftps990/tcp# ftp protocol, control, over TLS/SSL ftps990/udp pure-ftpd supports TLS/SSL. I am wondering if it can do this. I just tried with pure-ftpd, TLS works but it's not ftps (there is a negociation like SMTP/IMAP with START TLS i think). I want to keep the old ftp too. The good thing is that works out of the box with lftp, it picks up TLS. Regards. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
amd64 native ports?
Somewhere in *.freebsd.org is a page that lists which ports run natively on amd64 and what the status is for the others. I've seen it, I have it bookmarked in a place that is currently unavailable, and I can't find it by hand. Anyone have the URL handy? Respectfully, Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: amd64 native ports?
On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:19:47 Robert Huff wrote: Somewhere in *.freebsd.org is a page that lists which ports run natively on amd64 and what the status is for the others. I've seen it, I have it bookmarked in a place that is currently unavailable, and I can't find it by hand. Anyone have the URL handy? There's always the build logs on pointyhat: http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ And some reports here: http://portsmon.freebsd.org/index.html Not sure which of those is exactly what you're looking for though. HTH, JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: amd64 native ports?
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 10:19:47AM -0400, Robert Huff wrote:
Somewhere in *.freebsd.org is a page that lists which ports run
natively on amd64 and what the status is for the others. I've seen it,
I have it bookmarked in a place that is currently unavailable, and I
can't find it by hand. Anyone have the URL handy?
This will show you the ports marked IGNORE:
http://www.freshports.org/ports-ignore.php
This will detect and use your browsers architecture to find ports you
cannot use. Mind you, it can be IGNOREd for other reasons than your
current architecture)
I tend to look at ONLY_FOR ARCHS statements in port makefiles:
find /usr/ports/ -type f -name Makefile -exec grep -H 'ONLY_FOR_ARCHS' {} \;
Any port that doesn't have one of those should run on every
architecture. But I doubt is this info is complete for rare
architectures as ia64 or sparc. It should be OK for amd64, because
that's relatively common.
Roland
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Evening folks... have just built up a new 7.0-RELEASE box, and have gone to update it to 7.0-RELEASEp11, however, whenever I run freebsd-update fetch I get the following: bigsis2# freebsd-update fetch Looking up update1.FreeBSD.org mirrors... none found. Fetching metadata signature for 7.0-RELEASE from update1.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 2 metadata files... failed. Have tried using update., update1., and update2., but no joy on any of them. Any ideas? The box talks fine to the net, everything else on it is hunkydorey, so I'm assuming the error isn't at my end... and before anyone asks, I'm stuck with 7.0-RELEASE thanks to cPanel not supporting anything more current than that at the moment (boo hiss). My other option is to grab the contents of /var/db/freebsd-update/ off my other server, copy over to this new box, and run 'freebsd-update install' and see if it then realises that it has the files and gets on with it... Any better suggestions? Marc A Coyles - Horbury School ICT Support Team Mbl: 07850 518106 Land: 01924 282740 ext 730 Helpdesk: 01924 282740 ext 2000 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ?
Damn have no clue how to build fix or anything with plist ... Except it seemd to be a list of the files used ?? On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.netmel.flynn%2bfbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle Møller wrote: make WITH_PERL=YES But it returns that it is broken ? flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part to get some of the other tools to work :S Anything I can do to get this not broken ... You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Med Venlig Hilsen Kalle R. Møller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)
[snip] In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. I am not saying that a Windows user should be able to feel right at home on a box running FreeBSD, but a computer user should. The problem herein, i am afraid, lies not with FreeBSD(or any other BSD flavour), nor with it's community, but with the computer user. Most computer users see an operating system(and the application they run most) as part of a computer. How many people say My computer is broken when µ$ Office doesn't start anymore. They don't care about which kernel they run, or which browser they use, they care about typing e-mail, chatting and watching youtube video's. (However sad it makes me that most people use less then 10% of the features/programs/potential/computing-power the computer came with, they do make sure we pay less for our components.) Even though I'd feel less cool or nerdy (which is basically the same thing ;-) ) if I'd run(or USE) the same OS as my 76 year old grandfather, it would be nice for him to be able to buy a computer for $20 less because it runs FreeBSD. To achieve this, there are two things that should be made easier: 1. Installing a basic desktop system(next to any currently installed OS) 2. Keeping the base system and ports up to date. And when I mean easier I mean it should be done without bothering the user unless you about to rm -rf / as root, so to say. Since most people never reinstall their computer, making it easier to install a basic desktop system won't help my 76 year old grandpa, but it will make it easier for unsatisfied Windows users to try FreeBSD. Besides, in making it easy to install a basic desktop system, comes the hardest part of any *nix like system: defining a basic desktop and collecting the basic/standard applications. It's hard just to pick either one Gnome, KDE or XFCE (or iceWM ;-) ) let alone mail-clients, internet browsers, IM, etc. etc. One of the advantages of using a descent operating system is the freedom of choice. However most users don't care! I am more then happy to tel anyone which e-mail client not to use (Lotus notes, outlook express, anyone else's neck hears standing up?), but I don't want to tell people they HAVE to use Thunderbird(I do tell them they SHOULD but that's different) or evolution etc. The problem is, most people don't want to make this choice either. And the circle of life continues. So basically, to make sure people will be using freeBSD (or any *nix operating system) it needs to be easy to install (So that PC-manufacturers will ship their pc's with it), a nicely filled standard desktop environment with lot's of youtube/chat/word process capabilities and I won't bother you with it but i'm updating functionality. [/snip] What you're talking about is indeed needed and does, to an extent, exist; It's called PC-BSD, Ubuntu (as you mentioned) or even Microsoft Windows. I think it's great that such things exist. (Yes, even Windows.) I think it's great that they can help people, who would otherwise be helpless, use a computer to get their work done. I even applaud the efforts of the tyrannical Microsoft for largely accomplishing this feat. Hats off to all involved! But it doesn't end here... On the other end of the coin there is also a need for an operating system which does exactly what I, the user, commands it to do, regardless of what that could mean. For some things, I need a system which trusts me, the user, to make the right decisions. Knowing this, I must be willing to accept the consequences of my actions, should my choices prove to be incorrect. If you prevent stupid people from doing stupid things, you prevent clever people from doing clever things. While one cannot throw any philosophy, in a blind fashion, at a given problem, there is some truth to the statement. Both types of systems are needed, and I sincerely hope that both continue to exist. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install (SOLVED broken ports tree)
On Thursday 06 August 2009 00:07:33 Coert Waagmeester wrote: I have PKGDIR variable exported. Ack, yeah. Should've thought of that. It's a badly chosen variable name for pkg_add. You could make an alias though: alias pkg_keep='env PKGDIR=/path/to/whatever pkg_add -K' -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: amd64 native ports?
John Nielsen wrote: There's always the build logs on pointyhat: http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ And some reports here: http://portsmon.freebsd.org/index.html These are not the droids I'm looking for. As I remember the page, it has three columns: the port name, the (color-coded) status, and a description of work needed. (There might be another column with relevant PRs or something.). Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Boot failure
Well, the bad day has come... My primary server won't boot. I have backups of databases and user directories, but I need to try to get this server back up again. During the boot sequence, it freezes at the statement: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a I tried booting into single user mode, but same issue (of course). I don't want to just start hacking at this for fear of making things work... what is my best, most conservative next step? -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: net-mgmt/flowd - broken ?
Kalle Møller wrote: Damn have no clue how to build fix or anything with plist ... Except it seemd to be a list of the files used ?? Pretty much, the porters handbook has a decent section on it if your interested. Any installed files except man pages and documentation (which are specified in the makefile) should be listed as far as i can tell. Have a read at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/porting-desc.html#AEN100 and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/plist.html I think this is a simple one, if no one else does then I'll try and look at it tomorrow. my guess is that %%with_per...@dirrm %%SITE_PERL%%/%%PERL_ARCH%%/auto should be %%with_per...@dirrmtry %%SITE_PERL%%/%%PERL_ARCH%%/auto and possibly lib/perl5/5.8.9/mach/perllocal.pod (or the appropriate variables in place of a static path) need to be added. Vince On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.netmel.flynn%2bfbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 10:35:02 Kalle Møller wrote: make WITH_PERL=YES But it returns that it is broken ? flowd-0.9.1_1 is marked as broken: Incomplete pkg-plist. Without perl it installs fine. The problem is that I need the perl part to get some of the other tools to work :S Anything I can do to get this not broken ... You could fix the plist and ping the maintainer (added to CC). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
Identry wrote: Well, the bad day has come... My primary server won't boot. I have backups of databases and user directories, but I need to try to get this server back up again. During the boot sequence, it freezes at the statement: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a I tried booting into single user mode, but same issue (of course). I don't want to just start hacking at this for fear of making things work... what is my best, most conservative next step? Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) Vince -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Ben Fallonbfal...@itbuildersinc.com wrote: Might want to take a look at this page as it may provide a bit more insight. The problem isn't with the Machine specifically but with the ATI Sata Controller/Chipset. Not sure if this has been fixed yet. http://www.mavetju.org/mail/view_message.php?list=freebsd-currentid=2740699 Uau! That's exactly the same problem with the same hardware, and I would be tempted to say that it _has not_ been solved yet. I'll try to contact those guys to try to get some more information. Thanks a lot for the pointer, Ben. Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Problems with FreeBSD installation
Might want to take a look at this page as it may provide a bit more insight. The problem isn't with the Machine specifically but with the ATI Sata Controller/Chipset. Not sure if this has been fixed yet. http://www.mavetju.org/mail/view_message.php?list=freebsd-currentid=2740699 -Original Message- From: Miguel [mailto:luis.hen...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:53 PM To: Ben Fallon Cc: freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with FreeBSD installation On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Ben Fallonbfal...@itbuildersinc.com wrote: What model of laptop is it? I just subscribed to the list yesterday and may have missed the beginning of this thread. You can also check here http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ It provides details for a bunch of laptops and what the findings were for the models they tested. On Linux, a simple dmesg will help on seeing what devices were found by your os otherwise, like BSD, the lspci also works the same. Sorry I can't help more without a bit more information. The complete thread can be read here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-August/203491.html My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A210-1CE, and I am attaching the information you requested: the output from lspci -v and dmesg. Hope it helps :-) Regards, Miguel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Physically securing FreeBSD workstations /boot/boot2
Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical workstation. Things I'm trying to avoid, to list a couple of examples: 1. Go to BIOS settings and configure it to boot from CD first, then stick in a CD. To prevent this I've put BIOS to only boot from hard drive and I've password-locked the BIOS. 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by physically opening up the box. I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space during the initial boot blocks: FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader boot: I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, and if so, how can I disable this prompt? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman)
Bernt Hansson wrote: Matthew Seaman skrev: Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. It's called PC-BSD. Have a look at Manolis Kiagias work at http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page Haven't tried it my self, but it seems I'm going to. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Aloha, Manolis download worked for me. I used it to install a 7.2 FreeBSD on a Sandisk Flash stick. And I can bring it up from the USB port on my netbook. Works fine except for printing on network. Have to work on setting up the printcap properly. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* - 8.* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations /boot/boot2
On 8/6/09, Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical workstation. Things I'm trying to avoid, to list a couple of examples: 1. Go to BIOS settings and configure it to boot from CD first, then stick in a CD. To prevent this I've put BIOS to only boot from hard drive and I've password-locked the BIOS. You can't beat physical security. If you have access to the hardware, you can TAKE the box, saw it open, unmount the hard drive, slave it into another system, mount it as a data drive and steal the info. geli encryping the drive can secure the data on the disk, but they have your disk. it's as good as stolen data, even if they are unable to decrypt it. After sawing open the case, move the jumper to reset CMOS data, power up, change boot order, and boot off CD. After BIOS is back to normal, stick in a USB drive, boot off the HDD, which is self-decrypting the geli encryption, copy the data off, and scrub the HDD and install Windows on it. The hacker's OS (Just Kidding, all. Little humor is all I'm doing). 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. If you can do the above, even booting from alternate medium, no other means of security will apply. And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by physically opening up the box. I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space during the initial boot blocks: FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader boot: I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, and if so, how can I disable this prompt? Only security in these days is to physically secure the box and leave it off the network. Flaws and security problems will always allow unauthorized access. But a computer that's not on the network is of no use. So it's a loose-loose situation. Best effort is to know your people, and either trust them, or fire them. --TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman)
Al Plant wrote: Bernt Hansson wrote: Matthew Seaman skrev: Mark Stapper wrote: In light of this, I would really enjoy seeing a Ubuntu like movement in the FreeBSD corner. What I mean is that it would be nice for my mother to install and use FreeBSD. It's called PC-BSD. Have a look at Manolis Kiagias work at http://freebsd-custom.wikidot.com/downloads-page Haven't tried it my self, but it seems I'm going to. Aloha, Manolis download worked for me. I used it to install a 7.2 FreeBSD on a Sandisk Flash stick. And I can bring it up from the USB port on my netbook. Works fine except for printing on network. Have to work on setting up the printcap properly. Thanks for the mention ;) I should however note that although this work takes out most of the compiling steps (and I plan to expand the range of pre-built packages soon), it is still not a common man's OS, as all the configuration steps are manual. I am also developing some shell scripts that will automate a considerable part of post-setup configuration, but these will need to be tweaked accordingly. It will never become a CD you can give to your dad to install, but will certainly reduce the time an intermediate / seasoned FreeBSDer will need to install a new desktop. There are more than a few things that prevent FreeBSD from becoming friendly to a non-expert, non-willing-to-study-docs user. PC-BSD deals with many of them (preinstalled NVidia, flash support, PBI system) and it gets better all the time. Although if the point is getting a simple user to move away from Windows, most any desktop oriented linux distro will probably do the job. Such a user won't need to have all the choices and absolute control that FreeBSD provides to all of us. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations /boot/boot2
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 01:35:55PM -0600, Tim Judd wrote: On 8/6/09, Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical workstation. Things I'm trying to avoid, to list a couple of examples: 1. Go to BIOS settings and configure it to boot from CD first, then stick in a CD. To prevent this I've put BIOS to only boot from hard drive and I've password-locked the BIOS. You can't beat physical security. If you have access to the hardware, you can TAKE the box, saw it open, unmount the hard drive, slave it into another system, mount it as a data drive and steal the info. geli encryping the drive can secure the data on the disk, but they have your disk. it's as good as stolen data, even if they are unable to decrypt it. After sawing open the case, move the jumper to reset CMOS data, power up, change boot order, and boot off CD. After BIOS is back to normal, stick in a USB drive, boot off the HDD, which is self-decrypting the geli encryption, copy the data off, and scrub the HDD and install Windows on it. The hacker's OS (Just Kidding, all. Little humor is all I'm doing). You can (and should) set geli up to require a passphrase, instead of or next to a key-file. Using only a key-file is like sticking a tin-opener to the tin. 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. If you can do the above, even booting from alternate medium, no other means of security will apply. And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by physically opening up the box. I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space during the initial boot blocks: FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader boot: I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, and if so, how can I disable this prompt? Disconnect or remove the floppy. Adn disable booting from USB devices. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgp0APKNpOUAz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Mouse still crashes with Synaptics
Hi, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 13:26:24 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble here. This is a real mess. Nobody gives me any help and I do not know what to try any further. I reduced the problem to the following behaviour: # dd if=/dev/bpsm0 bs=3 | xxd -c 3 # dd if=/dev/bpsm0 bs=3 | od -x # alternative This prints out 30 to 100 lines while I move my finger around the touchpad. Then the output stops. When I press Ctrl-C and restart the command, I get about 30 to 100 lines again. Moused and any other program that reads /dev/psm0 yield the same behaviour. I tried FreeBSD 6.4, 7.0 and 7.2. It is the same with all three of them. They were all virgin; I just unpacked the base distribution and the generic kernel. As there is nobody out there who likes to help me could at least anyone point me to a documentation how to debug the kernel driver? Or could at least anyone point me to a list where I can get help with severe kernel problems? I have to solve it with 7.2 as the previous versions don't recognize the network card. kernel list -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) Well, I am in the data center (2 hr drive, unfortunately)... This is an Intel mother board. The front panel light labeled '!' is lit. It isn't lit on the working server. I'm googling right now for the meaning of this light, but if anyone knows off hand, please let me know... I have the cd1 and cd2, but not the livefs cd. I'm going to try to find that right now. Thanks: John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions)
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:56:59 +0200, Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: PC-BSD is FreeBSD, pre-packaged with a usable desktop and its own simplified package manager. If you're talking about PBI, that's what the average user expects: You open a web browser (d'oh), search for what you think will be the software you need (plus-d'oh) and download it (doubleplus-d'oh). As long as you use PBI only, there's no interference with ports or packages, but you are not encouraged to use a mix, allthough it's mostly possible. Don't get me wrong: I have several friends who use PC-BSD for years happily now, but it's definitely not my cup of tea for several reasons. PC-BSD does probide a KDE-based preconfigured environment and lots of preinstalled software. It's completely sufficient for the average user, allthough not for the average user in Germany, because KDE's internationalisation is not so good (Gnome's is better, as far as I've seen), and not all PBI packages do conform to the language setting (e. g. install in German, install kmplayer, it will be in English, and error messages will be in English, too, that scares the average German user away). -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Expert in Manhattan?
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org wrote: Message: 16 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 06:41:12 -0500 From: Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2 overwrites partitions) To: Mark Stapper st...@mapper.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: ab7b49bc0908060441s7aa4bdg6e919655165a9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I must say that I find this (new) thread a bit funny since it was inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many years (over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number). I have been struggling to use FreeBSD for a shorter amount of time (for a fileserver). I was originally attracted to OpenBSD for security. However, OpenBSD users are expected to compile all patches from source. Since I wasn't planning on doing code-reviews myself, I saw little benefit in using extra disk space and compile time when binaries would do. I was also attracted to BSD because I knew from my brief stint at university that the BSD man-pages were actually kept up to date. Not like the GNU system where man pages say stupid things like: The full documentation for dd is maintained as a Texinfo manual. If the info and dd programs are properly installed at your site, the command: info dd should give you access to the complete manual. dd (coreutils) 5.97 January 2007 DD(1) I actually saw text once (years ago) that basicly said: If we receive complaints about the quality of the man pages, they will be removed I have tried to use info. I don't have time to go through the info tutorial every time I want to use a new command (think emacs-like hyperlinking/scripting, vi-like keybindings) Anyway, Initially, I wanted to set up a File and everything else server. I don't know exactly when I installed FreeBSD 5.x, but I copied my files of over to it March 14, 2006. I know this because I lost data: the file creation times. Following the FreeBSD Handbook, I got stuck on trying to get the printer to work. The handbook was basicly instructing me to write my own print driver! I checked the HP website: they will release the details of the PCL language (version 4 or so) for a price. I finally got it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the ports collection (no, did not send the post-card yet; the print server is not functional yet.) After basicly using the server for my own use via ssh and FTP for a while, I decided to try to get samba and NFS working. This time, I narrowed the scope: Fileserving (SAMBA, NFS), Printing, and working backups. November 18, 2007, I started my FreeBSD 6.2 installation. This time I kept notes detailing what I had to do to configure each portion of the system. Looking up commands I may need if things go wrong ahead of time. Initially, I was struggling with a chickenegg problem with back ups: I wanted to borrow a client computer's DVD drive. However, I wanted to backup the client computers to the server. It was resolved by putting a DVD burner in the server. I also made made few tweaks of the system to better follow the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (such as symlinking /usr/local/etc to /etc/opt). I set up samba in read-only mode with little trouble. I'm not sure if I can ever get read/write + user-level security working with win98. That machine is slowly degrading while I try to get the fileserver working the way I want. The last time I did a complete re-install (of win98) I lost data due to a damaged disk that I copied the data to (and learned that bzip2recover is a quick hack that needs to be re-written properly according to the source code). I hope to replace windows with wine for the most part, but wine simply installs the applications in the users' home directory (breaking the FHS). This is only resolvable IMHO by having wine use a real database back-end for the registry (allowing user-level views of the data, while still isolating different users). Setting up NFS was a lesson in the intecracies of NIS twice since my Linux clients do things a little differently. After asking on one of the IRC channels that we are not advised to use; I edited the /var/yp/Makefile to suppress groups outside the range of (1001 -2000). That basicly prevents the special groups from being exported to the Linux clients (that use different numbering) To do this, I DID need the gory low-level details in the handbook. I didn't note the exact date, but I really didn't touch the server for months after that. I copied my work to the Linux client because the hard-disk was failing, and I still did not get DVD-burning working. At one point when doing a Google search for fxp I came across this message: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/current/2008-10/msg00340.html Call for testers: fxp(4) WOL - My card! At that point, I decided to
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman)
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:48:10 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote: I should however note that although this work takes out most of the compiling steps (and I plan to expand the range of pre-built packages soon), it is still not a common man's OS, as all the configuration steps are manual. A truck is not a common man's car. :-) I am also developing some shell scripts that will automate a considerable part of post-setup configuration, but these will need to be tweaked accordingly. I think nearly every admin among us has his own nice collection of such lazy man's scripts. :-) There are more than a few things that prevent FreeBSD from becoming friendly to a non-expert, non-willing-to-study-docs user. This is correct, and related to the nature of FreeBSD, which is a multi-purpose OS. If it would be a single user single PC single task at once OS, maybe. But it can serve as a fine OS on servers, on desktops and on mixed forms, so there are many selections the person who wants to use it has to make - BY HIMSELF, because the OS doesn't know what you want to do with it. You're supposed to know it, and how to communicate these facts to the OS. As you correctly pointed out, this involves some learning, as well as mastering basic things like understanding the (english) language. PC-BSD deals with many of them (preinstalled NVidia, flash support, PBI system) and it gets better all the time. That is very true. Only some media codecs can be considered a bit problematic, as well as how it deals with common tasks involved with USB sticks n stuff - like plugging out mounted file systems. :-) Although if the point is getting a simple user to move away from Windows, most any desktop oriented linux distro will probably do the job. The strength of MICROS~1 software is its aggressive marketing, not its quality. It's so commonly used because users don't know that alternatives do exist, and this is furthermore reasoned in the education system that tells them this unchangable fact. This way, a belief has grown that has nothing to do with real life. Such a user won't need to have all the choices and absolute control that FreeBSD provides to all of us. Yes. Suitable defaults and a wisely chosen set of preinstalled software is a way to achieve this. Another way is that people want to buy shiny boxes in a store - and pay for it. This seems to be especially the case for people who regularly use pirated copies of Windows and illegally installed expensive software a friend gave them because they need it. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:46:05 +0100, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. I've seen this in a german Linux magazine, titeling in a way similar to this: FreeBSD - the professional Linux. :-) He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. My whole life. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: foot-shot?
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:00 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Been thinking over what someone said recently about restricting or dropping further ports. BSD is the best opensource system around. But keeping everything current is painful. If you're not running a public or mission critical server - then don't do it. I've used a 5.4 installation for many years without any problems, and without the need to update something. But I'm crazy anyway. :-) Does anybody know if PCBSD is as pushbutton as, say, Ubuntu is? Quite. You won't have major problems because English already is your native language. If you're comfortable with KDE and will be using the PBI installer (read: Push Button Installer), it can be a fine system. Even OS updates are distributed in PBI format. I'll always use FreeBSD on my DNS, apache22, and mail server side. Zero crashes in 7 years. But if I want to play music or watch a DVD--or do serious web video stuff--I use Ubuntu. Serious web video stuff - how many contradictions does this statement include? :-) No, seriously: Especially if you rely on Flash, Linux doesn't seem to be as... well... problematic? as FreeBSD. I'd like to say kilowatts by having one tao that can handle everything from hacking code to playing a movie. That's FreeBSD to me since 4.0, but I have to admit that my needs haven't yet grown to all the modern web media stuff... -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: eclipse install
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 04:53:23 +0200, Peter Boosten pe...@boosten.org wrote: Polytropon wrote: On FreeBSD, you don't need to download things manually via a web browser in this old fashioned way. :-) Unfortunately this is not true for the jdk. But it's only a minor disadvantage ;-) Sadly, you are true, and that's one of the few things that still annoy me when setting up a new system without preloaded Java files at hand. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
inspired by a guy (the OP) who has been using fBSD for many years (over 5 . . . I can't remember the exact number). I have been struggling to use FreeBSD for a shorter amount of time (for a fileserver). I was originally attracted to OpenBSD for security. However, OpenBSD users are expected to compile all patches from source. Since I wasn't planning on doing code-reviews myself, I saw little benefit in using extra disk space and compile time when binaries would do.i run -current (via snapshots) [snip . . . a lot, which I didn't read] So, this long story boils down to the following question: What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like man-pages)? What?! Ummm . . . read them. I'm not trying to be too big of a dick, but your question strikes me as odd. Read them when you come across something that is troubling you. I suppose there is no need to read about, say, wifi card drivers that you don't use. I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing around with. How do you expect to get comfortable w/out playing around, other than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? Thinking about it in the week before posting this, I think that part of my problem is I want to use the documentation to do the right thing rather than experiment. Once I move the family's files onto the server, it becomes essential. I won't be able to have it out of commission for weeks at a time. I hope with the server properly set up, win98 may even be usable again: just do a clean install every morning! I even downloaded the Windows 7 RC so that I can be informed when I say it sucks. Regards, James Phillips PS: I find it a little annoying that FreeBSD releases faster than I can configure my computer! ;) Again . . . What?! You're not required to update every time there is a release. This too is odd, IMO. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
Identry wrote: During the boot sequence, it freezes at the statement: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/mfid0s1a Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) I've booted the install CD1 and found something called 'fixit' mode. I've been googling, but can't seem to find any info on 'fixit'. Is it possible to use this instead of a livefs disk? BTW, this is a 6.3 system. -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:31:49PM -0400, Identry wrote: Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) Well, I am in the data center (2 hr drive, unfortunately)... This is an Intel mother board. The front panel light labeled '!' is lit. It isn't lit on the working server. I'm googling right now for the meaning of this light, but if anyone knows off hand, please let me know... If it won't boot from the MegaRAID, and there is a red exclamation mark showing on the front panel, I'd say there is a good chance that you've got a hardware problem... Maybe try another RAID card, if you have one available? Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpAWzAPS5Dl5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:14:49 +0100 David Southwell da...@vizion2000.net wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? The time to complain about that was when they put the i in i386. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: So, this long story boils down to the following question: What is that best way to use the handbook and related documentation (like man-pages)? What?! Ummm . . . read them. I'm not trying to be too big of a dick, but your question strikes me as odd. Read them when you come across something that is troubling you. I suppose there is no need to read about, say, wifi card drivers that you don't use. I am willing to do some reading, but get distracted by irrelevant or sometimes too low-level stuff. I want to avoid programing as much as possible until I actually have a work-station I am comfortable playing around with. How do you expect to get comfortable w/out playing around, other than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my workstation that would be a separate computer. I want to build myself a sand-box so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. Another way of asking the question: How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). Regards, James Phillips __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
How do you expect to get comfortable w/out playing around, other than, I guess (a'la above) reading the documentation? Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my workstation that would be a separate computer. I want to build myself a sand-box so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. Another way of asking the question: How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). I'm still a bit dumb-founded, because I'm not sure what an answer to that question would look like and how one could formulate a decent answer. I wonder if installing fBSD on a sand-box partition/machine and just build sand castles until you're comfortable is the best way to go. If your looking for someone (i.e., one or three folks) to say, Oh, fBSD is very intuitive and if you know M$, then the migration should be a breeze! Good luck! In fact, how would you treat any answer that you got to your question. I think you should just try it (I suspect having a linux background will help). Regards, James Phillips __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Physically securing FreeBSD workstations /boot/boot2
Nerius Landys wrote: Hi. I am attempting to secure some workstations in such a way that a user would not be able gain full control of the computer (only user access). However, they are able to see and touch the physical workstation. I assume that users cannot tingle with the hardware, take it apart, add a different disk etc. and that only authorized users can physically access the computer. That's what physical security is about. I understand you may have some authorized user who will nevertheless try to gain elevated privileges. That's really logical security, local that is as opposed to remote/network security. 2. Go to loader menu and load (boot kernel) with some custom parameters or something. I've secured the loader menu by password-protecting it (/boot/loader.conf has password) and /boot/loader.conf is not world-readable. And I'm sure there are other things, I just forgot them. You can configure the loader such as not to present any loader menu but boot right away. If you need the option of booting into single user mode, then you can password protect single user mode. So my question is: Is this [securing of the workstation] worthwhile, or should I just forget about this kind of security? I want to make it so that the only way to gain full control of the computer is by physically opening up the box. You can always make it more difficult, which should give you less to worry about. You have to weigh how much work it takes against how much you really have to worry about, then decide when it's enough. How about running diskless? How about centralized authentication with NIS or LDAP? Another option is to disable root locally, that is the account still exist but with * in the password field.. If each workstation runs sshd you can use key based authentication to gain privileged access remotely while local access is disabled. I noticed that boot2 brings up a menu like this one when I press space during the initial boot blocks: FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/boot/loader boot: I guess it would be possible to stick in a floppy disk or something and boot from there? So my question is, is this a threat to my plan, and if so, how can I disable this prompt? you've still got floppies? wow. How about trying to boot a floppy with your current configuration? I'm not sure that it will work at that stage if it has been disabled in the bios. It might be possible to load the kernel from the harddisk then tell the kernel to mount the floppy as root device. You could solve that by compiling a kernel without floppy support and delete the kernel module. You need to learn how to script the loader, read the source code, I don't recall finding much documentation on that last time I looked. Others suggest you encrypt the harddrive, I don't find it very useful in your case, I assume your users need to access the systems and use them for the intended purposes and you just want to protect against someone trying to escalate his privileges. If you encrypt partitions with geli then you'll have to enter the password every time somebody reboots. However, you should consider encrypted swap and temporary partition, together with forced reboot on logout you avoid session data getting in the hands of the next user. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
Identry wrote: Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) Well, I am in the data center (2 hr drive, unfortunately)... This is an Intel mother board. The front panel light labeled '!' is lit. It isn't lit on the working server. I'm googling right now for the meaning of this light, but if anyone knows off hand, please let me know... I have the cd1 and cd2, but not the livefs cd. I'm going to try to find that right now. I do not know exactly what the light is indicating, such things are usually located in the hardware docs that came with the server. I would hazard a guess that it is indicating a hardware failure. If you are exceedingly lucky it might not be a FreeBSD issue as long as the data on the hard drive(s) has not been corrupted. If it were me, the very first thing I'd do is power down and disconnect the drives. I'd install for temporary testing purposes any old spare blank hard drive I had laying around. If it is a brand name server there may have been included a diagnostics CD. Boot from that and see what happens. Next up is a boot to the BIOS configuration screen. When you power up the first item normally displayed is the text from the video ROM initialization. After this should be some form of announcement on how to get into BIOS config. Press whatever key and enter. Look for one of the preconfigured options such as BIOS Defaults. If you can select this and save the board will be set to a fairly fail-safe set of defaults. Note that what this is telling you is the video and motherboard are initializing. If you cannot get to this point you may have a dead motherboard. Most boards will emit some form of beep code if the video ROM fails to initialize. Next up is if the board proceeds past this point watch for drive controller initialization. Most (most notably RAID) server controllers may have a message display when the controller ROM initializes indicating some form of key-press combo to enter the controller configuration. An example would be press Ctrl-A you'll see from an Adaptec card/chip. If you cannot get to any of these stages consider either dead motherboard or power supply problem. Easiest way to confirm/eliminate a power supply is to substitute a known 100% functional one and see if you can now get to the afore mentioned stage(s) of boot. Power supply problems can sometimes manifest as hard drives that don't want to spin up. Listen and you can usually tell if they spin up, or not. Your trouble sounds most like hardware failure. And because in your first email you did indicate a Trying to mount root... error most of the above described basic troubleshooting will end up being either dead hard drive(s) or malfunctioning controller. The reason I would have substituted a known good scratch drive earlier is twofold: if it can boot or install or otherwise initialize the controller it is indicative that the controller is OK and the problem is most likely dead drive(s). Secondly, you don't want to take any chances on damaging the data yourself with all this mucking about. If there has been drive failure you will need to replace, reinstall, and restore. If it has been a controller failure you will never have any success either booting, or installing a minimum system to the scratch drive. A controller failure also has the possibility of having already destroyed your data. Again, replace, reinstall, restore will be the order of the day. This is just some quickly thrown out stuff in hopes it may be useful to you. It sounds like a hardware failure and not only do you have to deal with that first, you may also have to reinstall and/or restore from backup as well. I typed this up rather in a hurry, (so it's a little 'scrambled') but I think if read in totality you get the idea on things you can do to isolate and resolve. Good luck to you in any event. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
James Phillips wrote: Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my workstation that would be a separate computer. I want to build myself a sand-box so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. Another way of asking the question: How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the fact Windows forces the users (and admins) to a completely different way of thinking than FreeBSD. The various wizards abstract way too many parts of the system, to the point where you can configure services you don't really understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and there are many 'recommended' defaults along the way). This is mostly not possible in FreeBSD. You do need some level of understanding before making a particular feature to work, though you are not expected to be an expert on the subject. The level of course varies with the feature (sendmail is orders of magnitude more difficult than NFS). Linux experience will definitely help. Watch out for Linux-specific docs and differences in commands. Getting on with your questions: NFS is part of the base system. It is easy to configure and works with Linux clients as well. Read section 29.3.2 here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-nfs.html Samba is a port you can install from net/samba3. Some simple instructions are provided, section 29.9.2: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/network-samba.html The main settings file, smb.conf, can probably be used with little to no changes from a Linux machine (if you have one configured). Don't forget to use pdbedit to add samba users (this is documented in the handbook) For DVD burning (from the command line, I assume) use the sysutils/dvd+rw-tools port. If using an atapi burner, load the atapicam driver at startup by adding atapicam_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf. This will create a /dev/cd0 from your /dev/acd0 device (it emulates a SCSI device). Then use the instructions in 18.7.3: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html You can definitely start testing these in a virtual machine or test system and come back with any questions. And take your time reading the docs and actually understanding the way the system works. This will make you a lot more confident. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mouse still crashes with Synaptics
On Thursday 06 August 2009 12:46:21 Bertram Scharpf wrote: Hi, Am Dienstag, 04. Aug 2009, 13:26:24 +0200 schrieb Bertram Scharpf: an Acer notebook with a Synaptics Touchpad makes some trouble here. This is a real mess. Nobody gives me any help and I do not know what to try any further. I sometimes run stuff under nobody, but never mail with it. FWIW, you don't need synaptics support or driver for vertical scrolling on a touchpad, only for the horizontal scrolling and some extra features. The psm driver nor moused has been taught about horizontal scrolling last time I checked. Kernel debugging is outlined in the developers handbook and a minute investigated in searching the archives, the FreeBSD website or even google, would have shown you that. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html You might get some help on freebsd-x11 list. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Freebsd expert in Manhattan?
I've got a server in lower manhattan (at NYI.net datacenter) that hangs when trying to mount the root partition. I'm working on it right now, but have a feeling this may be beyond my limited admin skills, and I really need this server back online ASAP. Might be time to hire a professional. Can anyone recommend an experienced admin in the NYC area? Or if you are available yourself, please contact me off list at iden...@gmail.com Thanks: John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Hi how are you
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:56:41 -0700 (PDT), James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca wrote: I was also attracted to BSD because I knew from my brief stint at university that the BSD man-pages were actually kept up to date. As a developer, documentation is VERY important to me. That's why I love FreeBSD, because the OS and many ported applications have manpages (try man opera for example); furthermore, kernel inter- faces, library functions and even files have a nice manpage. Not like the GNU system [...] This page is intentionally left free. :-) Following the FreeBSD Handbook, I got stuck on trying to get the printer to work. The handbook was basicly instructing me to write my own print driver! Definitely not. In order to connect the printer spooler (which takes care of the different printer jobs) with a printer filter (that con- verts the data, usually Postscript, into the printer's individual language, e. g. PCL) such as CUPS or apsfilter, there are only very few steps to be taken, such as install it, set up which printer you have, and maybe change Letter to A4 format. I checked the HP website: they will release the details of the PCL language (version 4 or so) for a price. The PCL language is usually output by gs (the Ghostscript printer driver collection that translates PS into PCL and other printer languages). I finally got it working by installing the Apsfiler package in the ports collection (no, did not send the post-card yet; the print server is not functional yet.) Personally, I prefer apsfilter to CUPS, but maybe you would have liked CUPS better. It offers a browser based interface and offers lots of autodetection functionality. (But you can't install a parallel printer that isn't connected to the system easily, for example.) Setting up a printer with the apsfilter SETUP script is very easy as long as you know which name the printer has - you mentioned HP. And if it's a HP Laserjet, you're lucky. You're even more lucky if your printer does support the PS standard, because then you can avoid using any printer filter (such as apsfilter) because PS is the default output format for printing, and it can be fed directly into the printer. After basicly using the server for my own use via ssh and FTP for a while, I decided to try to get samba and NFS working. There are some good tutorials about how to do this. It's not very complicated. The complexity is given by the expected MICROS~1 client PCs that don't support standards like NFS. :-) This time, I narrowed the scope: Fileserving (SAMBA, NFS), Printing, and working backups. That's quite easy to achieve by following the howtos. November 18, 2007, I started my FreeBSD 6.2 installation. This time I kept notes detailing what I had to do to configure each portion of the system. Looking up commands I may need if things go wrong ahead of time. A good choice. I've still got some of them, especially for the more complicated things like Samba. Initially, I was struggling with a chickenegg problem with back ups: I wanted to borrow a client computer's DVD drive. However, I wanted to backup the client computers to the server. It was resolved by putting a DVD burner in the server. I also made made few tweaks of the system to better follow the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (such as symlinking /usr/local/etc to /etc/opt). Erm, excuse me? First of all, it's not encouraged to mix OS things with application things. You know that FreeBSD keeps the difference between the OS and everything else (which is located in the /usr/local subtree). If you're coming from a Linux background, I could understand that you're not familiar with this concept. The /usr/local subtree can be completely removed and still leaves you with a completely intact and functional OS. Everything that you install by ports or packages goes into /usr/local, and of course, the configuration files belong there, too. /usr/local/etc has the same structure as /etc, but it's reserved for additional software. Vice versa, configuration files of locally installed ports do not belong into /etc. Refer to % man hier to learn where things are kept on FreeBSD. I set up samba in read-only mode with little trouble. I'm not sure if I can ever get read/write + user-level security working with win98. Sure, I don't know if Win98 does support this. But if you get the users and data managed centrally, everything is based upon the standard UFS user:group and ugo=rwx setting scheme. That machine is slowly degrading while I try to get the fileserver working the way I want. That indicates a major problem. Either your hardware is faulty, or you are treating the software in the wrong way. The last time I did a complete re-install (of win98) I lost data due to a damaged disk that I copied the data to (and learned that bzip2recover is a quick hack that needs to be re-written properly according to the source code). It's completely normal that you lose
KDE3 -- KDE4
Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT), James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca wrote: Put another way: I want a reliable, backed-up file-server before playing around on my workstation that would be a separate computer. The default installation of FreeBSD covers most cases. I want to build myself a sand-box so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff that is unrelated. You could be interested in FreeBSD's jail subsystem. Another way of asking the question: How much of a learning curve is configuring FreeBSD (for Samba, NFS, DVD burning (backups) expected to be? Depends completely on you. On your knowledge, experience, the basics you're familiar with, and the paradigms that you have lived in that make you expect certain things to work. Samba - find a good tutorial that covers your needs. NFS - same DVD burning - install dvd+rw-tools and read man growisofs, especially the EXAMPLES section. Am I reading too much because of a learning disability, or do I really need to read and understand that much detail? No. You just have to understand the things that are directly related to your requirements. For example, I know how to set up a PCL printer, but I don't know how to program in PCL. :-) I have some experience with Dos/Windows, and Linux (mainly Debian based). Should be fine. But keep in mind that FreeBSD is not Linux, allthough there are many similarities. And FreeBSD is not DOS. And it does not look like DOS. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:31:12 -0400, Identry jalmb...@identry.com wrote: I've booted the install CD1 and found something called 'fixit' mode. I've been googling, but can't seem to find any info on 'fixit'. Is it possible to use this instead of a livefs disk? As far as I remember, that's correct. CD1 contains the fixit shell. If you want a full-featured live file system (including X), you can download FreeSBIE. To me, it has become a helpful tool in problematic cases. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:09:51 +0300, Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr wrote: Windows experience won't help much - mainly due to the fact Windows forces the users (and admins) to a completely different way of thinking than FreeBSD. That's true. It's even hard to communicate with 'Windows' admins because of a completey different and misleading terminology - and sadly often the lack of understanding what they're talking about. The various wizards abstract way too many parts of the system, to the point where you can configure services you don't really understand (i.e. a DNS server is a few clicks away and there are many 'recommended' defaults along the way). Insecure mode: This is the mode you want. Select it NOW! :-) This is mostly not possible in FreeBSD. You do need some level of understanding before making a particular feature to work, though you are not expected to be an expert on the subject. The level of course varies with the feature (sendmail is orders of magnitude more difficult than NFS). Yes. As I said (elsewhere), FreeBSD is a multi-purpose OS. It does not know what you are intending to use it for, and it doesn't make any assumptions. So you have to communicate your requirements to the system. This requires a certain knowledge, of course. Linux experience will definitely help. As long as your Linux experience includes basic UNIX (quite generic) knowledge. If you're only familiar with clicking in a pre-installed KDE, it's not much better than Windows. For DVD burning (from the command line, I assume) use the sysutils/dvd+rw-tools port. If using an atapi burner, load the atapicam driver at startup by adding atapicam_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf. I forgot to mention this. You are correct of course. This will create a /dev/cd0 from your /dev/acd0 device (it emulates a SCSI device). To conform with the growisofs manual, you could symlink it to /dev/dvd using the setting linkacd0cdrom in /etc/devfs.conf. Check for permissions to the files that are needed with burning commands - the ordinary user is usually not allowed to access these files in the needed way (due to security considerations). For example, you can put own cd0 root:operator permcd0 0664 own xpt0root:operator permxpt00660 own pass0 root:operator permpass0 0660 into the file mentioned above and add your user to the operator group (using the pw command). Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for a lifetime. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
Hi, On 06 August 2009 pm 19:07:12 Erik Trulsson wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 05:18:09PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 06 August 2009 pm 16:40:41 Mark Stapper wrote: Erich Dollansky wrote: IA 64? Wans't this once - or still is - the term used for the Itanium? The one that didn't stick... indeed. do they really sell machines with this CPU in numbers? Wikipedia article on Itanium, Intel manufactures around 200,000 even for a 'RISC' CPU, this number seems very low to me. I have not seen one in the wild. Not surprising since the Itanium is mainly used in the kind of high-end server systems that us ordinary people rarely see and certainly can't afford to buy. I see Sun and IBM machines in places where the Itanium should fit. Some moved away from HP to avoid the Itanium. I know, USD 1 000 000 or more is not what normal people pay for a small computer. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehlpschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. As always, YMMV. Best of luck, Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: foot-shot?
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 12:14:15AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:00 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Been thinking over what someone said recently about restricting or dropping further ports. BSD is the best opensource system around. But keeping everything current is painful. If you're not running a public or mission critical server - then don't do it. I've used a 5.4 installation for many years without any problems, and without the need to update something. But I'm crazy anyway. :-) well, thought.org is public, but i just have the basics. it is a Server, period. Does anybody know if PCBSD is as pushbutton as, say, Ubuntu is? Quite. You won't have major problems because English already is your native language. If you're comfortable with KDE and will be using the PBI installer (read: Push Button Installer), it can be a fine system. Even OS updates are distributed in PBI format. Super! just offhand, can i install PCSD *over* thius FBSd --7.1--? Keep /usr/home and so on? Or is PCBSD a do-it-from-scratch? (I'm pretty much OS agnostic [[so long as it's somethng like UNIX]], but here I know where things live... With ubuntu, diff't story.) I'll always use FreeBSD on my DNS, apache22, and mail server side. Zero crashes in 7 years. But if I want to play music or watch a DVD--or do serious web video stuff--I use Ubuntu. Serious web video stuff - how many contradictions does this statement include? :-) No, seriously: Especially if you rely on Flash, Linux doesn't seem to be as... well... problematic? as FreeBSD. hm, not sure how much flash is used, really. i just avoid as much of it as I can. if i can watch a public broadcasting stream i usually KVM over to my Ubntu box. . Hope the just-works PCBSD just-works here. I'd like to say kilowatts by having one tao that can handle everything from hacking code to playing a movie. That's FreeBSD to me since 4.0, but I have to admit that my needs haven't yet grown to all the modern web media stuff... i am not that into the-tube... but for science broadcasts, yep. especially things i've missed and are somewhere online. thanks for the datapoints! gary -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: foot-shot?
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:25:07 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: Super! just offhand, can i install PCSD *over* thius FBSd --7.1--? Keep /usr/home and so on? basically yes. Check if the installer allows you NOT to format the partition where you have your home directories. If it is /usr/home instead of /home (its own partition), problems may occur. Maybe you delete everything from /usr EXCEPT the home/ subtree and then tell the PC-BSD installer NOT to format the /usr partition. So your home directories should be intact. Keep copies of /etc/group,passwd et al. so you won't have to add all the users (if you have more than one) manually. Or is PCBSD a do-it-from-scratch? As FreeBSD, PC-BSD's underlying OS, you are not forced to wipe anything. (I'm pretty much OS agnostic [[so long as it's somethng like UNIX]], but here I know where things live... With ubuntu, diff't story.) Some people say that PC-BSD is the Ubuntu of the BSD's, or worse, the Windows in the UNIX world. :-) hm, not sure how much flash is used, really. i just avoid as much of it as I can. if i can watch a public broadcasting stream i usually KVM over to my Ubntu box. . Hope the just-works PCBSD just-works here. Should be no problem to forward X from the Ubuntu box to PC-BSD. There's even a Flash plugin available as PBI. i am not that into the-tube... Therefore, thetube-dl -a exists. :-) but for science broadcasts, yep. especially things i've missed and are somewhere online. Too sad such stuff mostly isn't provided in a standardized video format (even streaming format)... -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:21:14PM +, Paul Schmehl wrote: Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? i have a me-too here. i don't use very many of the KDE things. mostly the text-to-speech tools. last time things in kde4 were broken i think the kttsd failed. i'd be interested in Paul's question. it may be that kde3 is sopping up wy to much disc space. only have 6.5g left gary -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Boot failure
Try downloading and booting the livefs environment (I think you need cd1 and the livefs cd or just the DVD) and see if you can mount it from that, if not it could be a controller issue. If you can then its probably your OS/kernel but at least you now have access to your data/configs etc etc not to mention you could try extracting the GENERIC kernel from the install media (use the install.sh script in the kernels directory.) Okay! Good news, I think. I used the 'fixit' mode, that is available through the installation disk, to mount the disk that fails to mount during boot up. What I did was: mount /dev/mfid0s1a /test It mounts successfully and I can see everything in that partition. So I guess the question now is, if I can mount it manually, why doesn't it mount during the boot process? -- John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for a lifetime. :-) Amen. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
--On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehlpschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. As always, YMMV. I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded like this, and here's the problems I ran into. I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate from the former to the latter. Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ** WARNING: Check the headers before replying ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thursday 06 August 2009 15:21:14 Paul Schmehl wrote: Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? Wait a week I'd say. KDE 4.3.0 has hit the ports tree rather fast to be in time for the ports freeze and a lot of stuff is being ironed out. In fact, probably the best time is after the ports freeze is over. But I expect the big gotchas to be gone in a few days. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Polytroponfree...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... Okay. I'm trainable. ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Strange timing when reading from the serial port
Hello, I have a device that sends one byte over the serial line every 10ms. Using c, I wrote an application that opens the serial port and reads bytes in an infinite loop. I disabled all blocking (O_NONBLOCK, VMIN=0, VTIME=0, B115200). My CPU spends ~100% of its time calling read() [which almost always returns 0]. I compute the time each byte shows up using gettimeofday(). By differencing the time of successive samples, I can compute the time it took each byte to arrive. Since the bytes are transmitted at 100Hz, I expect to find that delta_time is 10ms. For several seconds I get good results with delta_time = 10ms with a noise of ~50us Then performance deteriorates and I get 10ms + with a noise of ~50us and a bias that cycles through 0ms, 5ms, 0ms -5ms. Then results go back to good. See a graph of this here (y axis is delta_timeval, x axis is time in sec): http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4944/plot1t.gif http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9693/plot2.gif http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5995/plot3.gif Q: What is the source of the alternating +/- 5ms bias that comes and goes every few seconds? Possible answers: 1. My external device is sending the bytes strangely (I don't believe this, but I can use an oscilliscope to confirm). 2. read() doesn't return within 1ms of the data coming in to the serial port. 3. gettimeofday() does not return a time good to 1ms 4. none of the above Thank you for your help! Chris PS: I am using 7.2-RELEASE ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
[snip] Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for a lifetime. :-) [/snip] It's nice to be able to go on vacation, without worrying about the servers back home craping out :) -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
--On August 6, 2009 9:29:30 PM -0500 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 15:21:14 Paul Schmehl wrote: Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? Wait a week I'd say. KDE 4.3.0 has hit the ports tree rather fast to be in time for the ports freeze and a lot of stuff is being ironed out. In fact, probably the best time is after the ports freeze is over. But I expect the big gotchas to be gone in a few days. -- Thanks, Mel. I'll wait. Will there be instructions in /usr/ports/UPDATING after the freeze? (There's nothing in there now about upgrading.) Paul Schmehl, If it isn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ** WARNING: Check the headers before replying ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
SiteDoctors.net Seeking Dialup Resellers
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Re: FreeBSD for the common man(or woman) (was: upgrade 7.2
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 09:25:38PM -0600, Modulok wrote: [snip] Once taken the time to set things up, they make you happy running for a lifetime. :-) [/snip] It's nice to be able to go on vacation, without worrying about the servers back home craping out :) -Modulok- Really. Just one reason why I don't travel that far from home:-) Really, tho, since I set up FreeBSD on my HP Kayak, then turned one into my sole server 0.0 crashes in 7 years. The only fret is a power-out. My surge-protector kicks in and protects things. Yeah, there are UPS devs, but it's 3/2 bear getting *that* right gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thursday 06 August 2009 05:53:05 pm Paul Schmehl wrote: --On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Paul Schmehlpschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: Can someone who has already done this upgrade suggest the best way to go about it? Do I need to completely uninstall kde3 first? Is there an upgrade path that's not fraught with gotchas? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. As always, YMMV. I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded like this, and here's the problems I ran into. I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate from the former to the latter. There are features that haven't made it to kde4 such as koffice. I added OpenOffice but that can be a long compile. One of my favorite sites crashes konqueror, which wasn't a problem on kde3. I left my slower machine, which I use for e-mail, and web browsing running kde3 and play with kde4 on my system that can do a portupgrade -pfR kde4 in 7 hours and build OO in less than 2 hours. It is running kde-4.3 now and it has been recursively rebuilt. The browser crash is still there. I can use the packages of common ports to update the slower machine. They are on a 4-port kvm and it is too easy to simply use the machine that works the best. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:37:26AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:18 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. Terminology: the directory (is not a folder, and not a directory folder). FreeBSD has directories, not folders. :-) Absolutely! I don't want to sound like *that* much of a unix-bigot; but here, i guess i am. Isn't the word directory part of graphy theory? Or is it just KR theory :-) -g -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 5.67a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
