Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 16/01/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/01/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Why doesn't Google know about that page? The latest they seem robots.txt, or that google-invented web site map? Apparently they're using the former and not the later! to have available for download is 0.8.2-3. 0.9.x are in experimental and I don't see how to get at them. If you could repackage your 0.9 I'd love to give it a spin. A link is on the way in private mail. My reply regarding such is in private email as well. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/48/402/pink_floyd/pulse.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/voip.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
Allright, I've got 0.9.0 installed! Needed to lay down some tarballs, but that's fine. Here are my comments, to those who are interested in them. Some of them will turn into threads on the digikam list, I'm sure :) Hebrew interface! Yay! Digikam doesn't seem to be much faster than F-Spot in scrolling through the photos. It also has quite a bit of lag. Even after rebuilding all the thumbnails, I can see them slowly filling up the screen (takes about 15 seconds) while scrolling pages. Also, switching to the one picture view displays the previous picture shown for a second or two. I can get used to it, but it is rather annoying. My IPTC data is shown only as X-box-X in Metadata-IPTC-Contact. That's rather usless as it's not assigned a tag. I'll take that issue up on the DigiKam list. Clicking on an image opens the editor, not the single-picture view. That's going to drive the wife nuts, she actually uses the mouse. As is typical of KDE, the interface is horrible cluttered. Buttons on the left, buttons on the right, buttons above. Sidebar on the right AND on the left! KDE 4 is supposed to address this, we'll see. Dotan Cohen http://essentialinux.com/source.php http://laurieotto.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 15/01/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - If your camera store orientation info in the photo (mine do), you can autorotate as many photos as you like in one operation (each would be adjusted to its correct orientation). BTW, even if you don't touch the photos themselves (e.g: they are on a cdrom), they are still *displayed* by default with correct orientation (of course you can manually rotate them as F-Spot does). Nice, but not a deal-maker for me. It's almost a life saver for me - until I found this option (or it was added? or until I bought a camera which provides this info? can't remember) I had to manually rotate the photos. BTW - there are command-line tools to do that too in case someone is wondering. - Tons of plugins to have all the quick and dirty ops (red-eye-reduction, etc.) at your fingertips. Of course running any program like gimp, F-Spot, etc is just a right click away as in F-Spot. Nice, but not a deal-maker for me. - You can view by Folders, Tags, Dates like in F-Spot, but when you search your searches are saved as virtual folders. BTW, there is quick search (by metadata strings) and advanced search when you can combine multiple conditions on metadata, date-ranges and albums. Tell me, how an I get an integrated user interface like in F-Spot? One window, in which the browse vieew is replaced by a photo that is [(double)?] clicked? I couldn't find how to customize the mouse but F3 will view the current image in the current window, and ALT-Right/ALT-Left will move the current image forward and backward. This is with 0.9.0-beta3 (Debian Etch). - Unlike F-Spot, you have more control on your display. E.g: I always show the tag names on my thumbnails (but you may choose not to do it...) I don't want anything there other than pics! As said - you can control to have that too. - Many more export options, most implemented as plugins of course (calendar, mpeg movie, Gallery, local html gallery). Don't need it. I publish photos using my own php scripts. Let me guess - maybe because F-spot didn't provide this for you? Maybe you can do this with F-Spot too but with Digikam you can integrate your scripts as Kipi plugins so you can control the interactivelly through the Digikam interface (and make the useful to others so you can benefit from the exposure). - Support for a lot more metadata items (e.g: import GPS data). Can I search by Camera model? That is important to me. I'd expect you can. I'm pretty sure you can search on anything in the EXIF data. Ok, that's enough. I hope I didn't start a new application war. My post was directed to people who didn't know digikam and may think there is only one good player in the field. No war, but no hudna either. I'm willing to switch, but I'd like to know that Digikam meets my needs. Also, in what format does it store Then just install it and start playing. the tags? I'll need to import over 200 different tags on over 8000 It uses Sqlite and I think the schema is documented so you can do whatever you like with the database. pictures. I don't mind doing it with sqlite, but I need to know that it can be done. The tags are in utf-8 Hebrew. Haven't tried Hebrew tags but maybe there were issues with UTF-8. Try digging the digikam users mailing list archives. Anyone who knows both programs (or others) has probably already made their own choice based on their personal taste. On taste and smell I won't arguee with you, but although I've tried Digikam I found that it won't perform as I like. Or can it? (as I have described?) Try 0.9 if you can. There are many improvements in it over 0.8. Thanks. Dotan Cohen Good luck. --Amos
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 20:35 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: On 15/01/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pictures. I don't mind doing it with sqlite, but I need to know that it can be done. The tags are in utf-8 Hebrew. Haven't tried Hebrew tags but maybe there were issues with UTF-8. Try digging the digikam users mailing list archives. Hebrew tags work for me. -- Oded ::.. A classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
Thanks, Amos. I'm giving Digikam every opourtunity for fit our needs, but it won't cooperate. I'd love to get rid of the only Gnome app on my system. (although I will miss the F-Spot mailing list- the developers have really helped me out there) I'm trying to install the latest tarball (0.9.0) however it compalins that it needs libkipi (installed) and exiv2 (installed). So my experience is on 0.8.2 which is the latest available for Kubuntu/Debian. Tell me, how an I get an integrated user interface like in F-Spot? One window, in which the browse vieew is replaced by a photo that is [(double)?] clicked? I couldn't find how to customize the mouse but F3 will view the current image in the current window, and ALT-Right/ALT-Left will move the current image forward and backward. This is with 0.9.0-beta3 (Debian Etch). Not with my version. We'll see if I can get 0.9.0 installed, though the 0.9.0 features page doesn't make any mention of change in this regard. Other features do interest me, howeve, especially the IPTC metadata readability. Don't need it. I publish photos using my own php scripts. Let me guess - maybe because F-spot didn't provide this for you? Maybe you can do this with F-Spot too but with Digikam you can integrate your scripts as Kipi plugins so you can control the interactivelly through the Digikam interface (and make the useful to others so you can benefit from the exposure). No, it's a very specialized set of scripts. As I'm not much of a programmer (I only know a bit of php and C and enough SQL to peice things together) I wouldn't release the code. F-Spot has great export options, but I use my own. - Support for a lot more metadata items (e.g: import GPS data). Can I search by Camera model? That is important to me. I'd expect you can. I'm pretty sure you can search on anything in the EXIF data. I'll have to wait 'till 0.9.0 for that, I suppose. The changelog says that it will work. Then just install it and start playing. That's what I've done a few times. the tags? I'll need to import over 200 different tags on over 8000 It uses Sqlite and I think the schema is documented so you can do whatever you like with the database. Might not even need it if it reads the IPTC data. Haven't tried Hebrew tags but maybe there were issues with UTF-8. Try digging the digikam users mailing list archives. I already have- it does work. Thanks. As soon as I've got 0.9.0 installed I'll write again on the subject. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/text_editor.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/648/the.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm trying to install the latest tarball (0.9.0) however it compalins that it needs libkipi (installed) and exiv2 (installed). So my experience is on 0.8.2 which is the latest available for Kubuntu/Debian. Do you have the dev versions of the libraries installed? apt-get install libkipi0-dev libexiv2-dev Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 15/01/07, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm trying to install the latest tarball (0.9.0) however it compalins that it needs libkipi (installed) and exiv2 (installed). So my experience is on 0.8.2 which is the latest available for Kubuntu/Debian. Do you have the dev versions of the libraries installed? apt-get install libkipi0-dev libexiv2-dev Shachar Thanks, I did install libkipi0-dev and libexiv2-dev via apt-get. However, it still complains about exiv2: config.status: config.h is unchanged config.status: executing depfiles commands -- digiKam configure results --- -- sqlite3 found.. YES -- libgphoto2 found... YES -- libkipi found.. YES -- libtiff found.. YES -- libpng found... YES -- lcms found. YES -- Exiv2 library found NO digiKam needs Exiv2 library. You need to install Exiv2 first Exiv2 website is at http://www.exiv2.org I don't want to install exiv2 via the website's tarball, however, and apt-get thinks that it's already installed. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/computer.html http://technology-sleuth.com/technical_answer/how_much_memory_will_i_need_for_my_digital_camera.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 16/01/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I did install libkipi0-dev and libexiv2-dev via apt-get. However, it still complains about exiv2: config.status: config.h is unchanged config.status: executing depfiles commands On Etch (testing) they have just downgraded from 0.9.x back to 0.8.x with a comment to the effect that required exiv upgrade isn't going to happen in Etch, to have 0.9 track 'experimental'. I didn't manage to pin Digikam alone to 'experimental' so for now I'm just careful not to downgrade my 0.9on Etch. (if anyone knows how to achieve this while taking everything else from Etch I'd be grateful to hear). Maybe you can download the version I have from http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/digikam.html or maybe I can dpkg-repack it for you... Cheers, --Amos
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 15/01/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/01/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I did install libkipi0-dev and libexiv2-dev via apt-get. However, it still complains about exiv2: config.status: config.h is unchanged config.status: executing depfiles commands On Etch (testing) they have just downgraded from 0.9.x back to 0.8.x with a comment to the effect that required exiv upgrade isn't going to happen in Etch, to have 0.9 track 'experimental'. I didn't manage to pin Digikam alone to 'experimental' so for now I'm just careful not to downgrade my 0.9 on Etch. (if anyone knows how to achieve this while taking everything else from Etch I'd be grateful to hear). Maybe you can download the version I have from http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/digikam.html or maybe I can dpkg-repack it for you... Thanks. Why doesn't Google know about that page? The latest they seem to have available for download is 0.8.2-3. 0.9.x are in experimental and I don't see how to get at them. If you could repackage your 0.9 I'd love to give it a spin. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/lyrics/48/402/pink_floyd/pulse.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/voip.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
Amos Shapira wrote: On 16/01/07, *Dotan Cohen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I did install libkipi0-dev and libexiv2-dev via apt-get. However, it still complains about exiv2: config.status: config.h is unchanged config.status: executing depfiles commands On Etch (testing) they have just downgraded from 0.9.x back to 0.8.x with a comment to the effect that required exiv upgrade isn't going to happen in Etch, to have 0.9 track 'experimental'. I didn't manage to pin Digikam alone to 'experimental' so for now I'm just careful not to downgrade my 0.9 on Etch. (if anyone knows how to achieve this while taking everything else from Etch I'd be grateful to hear). with Apt::Default-Release testing; In your /etc/apt/apt.conf, you should be able to manually install anything from any source in sources.list, without otherwise effecting your distro. It should only use other sources when there's no alternative in testing. (for more fine tuned control, see http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html ) Note that there might be a reason for this downgrade - it's possible that the exiv upgrade (which should be automatically pulled from experimental - as it would not be available in testing) would force other dependencies (kphotoalbum? gimp?) to be pushed over to experimental too... AA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 15/01/07, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Why doesn't Google know about that page? The latest they seem robots.txt, or that google-invented web site map? to have available for download is 0.8.2-3. 0.9.x are in experimental and I don't see how to get at them. If you could repackage your 0.9 I'd love to give it a spin. A link is on the way in private mail. Cheers, --Amos
Convince me to switch to Digikam (Was: Exaile - a Gtk+-based Amarok Clone)
On 15/01/07, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, 14 בJanuary 2007 10:30, Dotan Cohen wrote: ...[ many valid observations about KDE/Gnome, snipped ] ... Also, the wonderful program F-Spot has me installing half of Gnome. KDE has no photo-manager that is so good as F-Spot, You must be kidding. F-Spot is really nice, but has a way to go until it comes close to digikam. Not only in speed (I just imported ~2500 photos to F-Spot and It took about an order of magnitude longer than the same in digikam), but also in features. Just a small random sample: The import feature and scrolling photos is _very_ slow in F-Spot, I do agree. The import slowness I can live with, and the scroll slowness I put up with because I understand that it is beta and I believe that the developers are working on it. F-Spot has a very active, useful developer community, who have helped me out personally many many times. - If your camera store orientation info in the photo (mine do), you can autorotate as many photos as you like in one operation (each would be adjusted to its correct orientation). BTW, even if you don't touch the photos themselves (e.g: they are on a cdrom), they are still *displayed* by default with correct orientation (of course you can manually rotate them as F-Spot does). Nice, but not a deal-maker for me. - Tons of plugins to have all the quick and dirty ops (red-eye-reduction, etc.) at your fingertips. Of course running any program like gimp, F-Spot, etc is just a right click away as in F-Spot. Nice, but not a deal-maker for me. - You can view by Folders, Tags, Dates like in F-Spot, but when you search your searches are saved as virtual folders. BTW, there is quick search (by metadata strings) and advanced search when you can combine multiple conditions on metadata, date-ranges and albums. Tell me, how an I get an integrated user interface like in F-Spot? One window, in which the browse vieew is replaced by a photo that is [(double)?] clicked? - Unlike F-Spot, you have more control on your display. E.g: I always show the tag names on my thumbnails (but you may choose not to do it...) I don't want anything there other than pics! - Many more export options, most implemented as plugins of course (calendar, mpeg movie, Gallery, local html gallery). Don't need it. I publish photos using my own php scripts. - Support for a lot more metadata items (e.g: import GPS data). Can I search by Camera model? That is important to me. Ok, that's enough. I hope I didn't start a new application war. My post was directed to people who didn't know digikam and may think there is only one good player in the field. No war, but no hudna either. I'm willing to switch, but I'd like to know that Digikam meets my needs. Also, in what format does it store the tags? I'll need to import over 200 different tags on over 8000 pictures. I don't mind doing it with sqlite, but I need to know that it can be done. The tags are in utf-8 Hebrew. Anyone who knows both programs (or others) has probably already made their own choice based on their personal taste. On taste and smell I won't arguee with you, but although I've tried Digikam I found that it won't perform as I like. Or can it? (as I have described?) Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com http:/what-is-what.com
