Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Kim H.]

I am currently riding a 59cm lime olive Clem Smith Jr. "L".  My PBH is 
80cm. I could easily ride a 52cm frame with 27.5" wheels. However, I do 
like very much the roll and feel of the 29" wheels underneath me. I am 
higher up in the saddle, as well. 

I am still in awe over the fact the Clem is almost 80" long. I chose to 
modify one of my Yakima roof rails; combining two into one to fit my Clem's 
length on top of my small old Toyota car. I love the long wheelbase for 
stability and sure-footedness on the trails, whether it is gravel or dirt. 
It is a heavy bike, but that thought disappears quickly with the low 
gearing and the comfort of riding upright as a senior cyclist that bring me 
smiles and joy. 

My Clem is my last bike and retirement bike. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-7 fiddl...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Congrats on the new bike - you’re going to love it!
>
> That’s a Soma Deco 2 rack that I bought because my old rack wasn’t wide 
> enough for my child seat. I’ve had zero issues since installing it, and the 
> price was right:
>
> [image: image_1024.jpeg]
>
> Soma Rear Rack Deco 2 
> 
> somafabshop.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jkarlin  wrote:
>
> Thanks y'all! And sorry for the typo in the title. (This was my first 
> post in this google group, so it took a little while to go through.) 
>
>
> I really appreciate the personal anecdotes and advice. I did end up 
> talking to some of the guys at Riv, and they recommended I go with the 59, 
> since my pbh is pretty much right in the middle of of the range for that 
> size and this is my first Rivendell. They said I *might* want to size up 
> if I end up loving their bikes and want another frame, but that the 59 is 
> going to feel plenty luxurious compared to the road bike I'm doing 
> everything on now. 
>
> I did spring for their "you pick the fun stuff" build option--thought it 
> would be worth it to have the bike built up by their own mechanics and that 
> it would be fun to see whhat they choose. So I'll end up with the 
> lime/olive frame, bosco bars, friction shifting, the triple crank, and 
> whatever else they put on there to build it out (I'll put on mks lambda 
> pedals and a brooks c17 )! Shipping ETA is late next week, and I'm super 
> stoked. 
>
> Thanks again for all the help! I am curious to know more about the make 
> and model of the rear rack in the picture from "fiddleharpa"...
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59 
>> and have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was 
>> more upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing 
>> such a long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the 
>>> recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but 
>>> also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not 
>>> necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more 
>>> traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in 
>>> the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to 
>>> run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing 
>>>  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.
>>>
>>> It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at 
>>> the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a 
>>> more informed decision.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & 
 how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the 
 bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 
 extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I 
 could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In 
 addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very 
 happy 
 with what I have. Hope that helps.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:

 I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on 
 my usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). 
 It's honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits 
 me:

 


 The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your 
 bike rack, etc. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Nick Shoemaker]

Congrats on the new bike - you’re going to love it!That’s a Soma Deco 2 rack that I bought because my old rack wasn’t wide enough for my child seat. I’ve had zero issues since installing it, and the price was right:Soma Rear Rack Deco 2somafabshop.comOn Sep 27, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jkarlin  wrote:Thanks y'all! And sorry for the typo in the title. (This was my first post in this google group, so it took a little while to go through.) I really appreciate the personal anecdotes and advice. I did end up talking to some of the guys at Riv, and they recommended I go with the 59, since my pbh is pretty much right in the middle of of the range for that size and this is my first Rivendell. They said I might want to size up if I end up loving their bikes and want another frame, but that the 59 is going to feel plenty luxurious compared to the road bike I'm doing everything on now. I did spring for their "you pick the fun stuff" build option--thought it would be worth it to have the bike built up by their own mechanics and that it would be fun to see whhat they choose. So I'll end up with the lime/olive frame, bosco bars, friction shifting, the triple crank, and whatever else they put on there to build it out (I'll put on mks lambda pedals and a brooks c17 )! Shipping ETA is late next week, and I'm super stoked. Thanks again for all the help! I am curious to know more about the make and model of the rear rack in the picture from "fiddleharpa"...On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59 and have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was more upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing such a long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though. On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a more informed decision.On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy with what I have. Hope that helps.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your bike rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without modification. Here's what it looks like barely squeezing onto a standard roof rack...On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just wondering if it'll be good, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems like a lot more bike than I'm used to! (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, utility, and trail capability.)Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've never had a breast pocket on a sweater to try, but thanks for the tip. 
I probably have my rando bag, frost river seat bag, or a pannier on 99% of 
my rides, but I see the appeal now. The new skill I'm learning on this 
sweater is adding in a quarter zipper, seems in my zone of proximal 
development so far. 

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:24:50 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> That's probably cigarettes in the pockets of that jersey! Cool guy style.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Rivendell's Wooly Warm sweater (and the vest too, I think) had 2 or 3 
>> rear pockets with buttons; very convenient. I wish I'd kept my WW sweater; 
>> besides pockets it had a high, button-up neck which I do like.
>>
>> Speaking of bike style and sweaters, feat your plural eyes on this 
>> ensemble ("ensemble:" both the group and their outfits). With pants legs 
>> that baggy you don't need any pockets for storage.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> And front pockets:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 12:12 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>>
>>> ... I find that bike-y sweaters typically don’t have pockets, as they’re 
>>> more like apres-ski wear. The sweaters that do often have a single zippers 
>>> pocket on the back.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Matti]

For some British retro styling: https://vimeo.com/2716712

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:12:52 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Rivendell's Wooly Warm sweater (and the vest too, I think) had 2 or 3 rear 
> pockets with buttons; very convenient. I wish I'd kept my WW sweater; 
> besides pockets it had a high, button-up neck which I do like.
>
> Speaking of bike style and sweaters, feat your plural eyes on this 
> ensemble ("ensemble:" both the group and their outfits). With pants legs 
> that baggy you don't need any pockets for storage.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> And front pockets:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 12:12 PM Peter Adler  wrote:
>
>> ... I find that bike-y sweaters typically don’t have pockets, as they’re 
>> more like apres-ski wear. The sweaters that do often have a single zippers 
>> pocket on the back.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Ted W]

Those Lambda pedals are my absolute favorite for all around use, I think
you’re going to love them, especially if you’re used to clipless pedals. I
rode clipless exclusively for almost 20 years and got a set of lambdas for
my first Riv and was absolutely blown away by how planted my foot felt.
Zero slipping or foot movement, especially if you wear a shoe with a
“waffle” pattern sole (Vans, Ride Concepts, etc.).

Your build sounds like it’s going to be a blast!

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 5:08 PM Jkarlin  wrote:

> Thanks y'all! And sorry for the typo in the title. (This was my first post
> in this google group, so it took a little while to go through.)
>
> I really appreciate the personal anecdotes and advice. I did end up
> talking to some of the guys at Riv, and they recommended I go with the 59,
> since my pbh is pretty much right in the middle of of the range for that
> size and this is my first Rivendell. They said I *might* want to size up
> if I end up loving their bikes and want another frame, but that the 59 is
> going to feel plenty luxurious compared to the road bike I'm doing
> everything on now.
>
> I did spring for their "you pick the fun stuff" build option--thought it
> would be worth it to have the bike built up by their own mechanics and that
> it would be fun to see whhat they choose. So I'll end up with the
> lime/olive frame, bosco bars, friction shifting, the triple crank, and
> whatever else they put on there to build it out (I'll put on mks lambda
> pedals and a brooks c17 )! Shipping ETA is late next week, and I'm super
> stoked.
>
> Thanks again for all the help! I am curious to know more about the make
> and model of the rear rack in the picture from "fiddleharpa"...
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59
>> and have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was
>> more upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing
>> such a long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the
>>> recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but
>>> also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not
>>> necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more
>>> traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in
>>> the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to
>>> run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing
>>>  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.
>>>
>>> It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at
>>> the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a
>>> more informed decision.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
 Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars &
 how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the
 bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135
 extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I
 could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In
 addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy
 with what I have. Hope that helps.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:

 I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on
 my usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!).
 It's honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits
 me:

 


 The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your
 bike rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently
 upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without
 modification. Here's what it looks like *barely *squeezing onto a
 standard roof rack...

 




 On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:

> Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of
> their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty
> squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed 
> sizing
> up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just
> wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just
> seems like a lot more bike than I'm used to!
>
> (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a
> great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting,
> utility, and trail capability.)
>
> Sorry if this has already been addressed 

[RBW] Re: Last Minute Japan Tips!

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know this isn't helpful in a pinch, but I love the program Cycle Around 
Japan on NHK. Every episode is a cyclist on a 3/4 day bike trip around 
different areas of Japan stopping to visit different natural scenery and 
locals. Very soothing and interesting. Only problem is now I'll need to 
take about two years to visit all the amazing different places via bike. 

Have a great trip,
Will in MPLS

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:16:04 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Yes, Frakern, I forgot about that one! This is a beaufitul ride! Here are 
> my tracks and some photos from this farewell tour of Japan: GaiaGPS 
> tracks and photos 
> 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:27:55 AM UTC-7 Frakern wrote:
>
>> If you have your bicycle with you, I would suggest going on the Shimanami 
>> Kaido (https://shimanami-cycle.or.jp/go-shimanami/). You can also rent 
>> bicycles from there if you're not taking your bike. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Minh,
>>>
>>> Well, lucky you! Japan is a real treat in so many ways, and it is a very 
>>> lovely country in which to cycle. Where will you be going and how long will 
>>> you be in Japan? Will you have your bicycle with you?
>>>
>>> If you can get to Kyoto then I'd suggest a late-night cycle tour through 
>>> the Gion district. In addition, an early morning cycle tour of the 'Five 
>>> Mountains'- the five main Buddhist temples of Kyoto- was something I very 
>>> much enjoyed doing.
>>>
>>> If you get to Kyushu, and find yourself in Kagoshima, there's a really 
>>> great ride around Sakurajima- a very active volcano a short ferry away.
>>>
>>> There's a million things around Tokyo (not helpful, I know), but you'll 
>>> be there at a very beautiful time of year weatherwise. Hakone is a cool 
>>> day-trip where you can hike, enjoy a beautiful outdoor sculpture museum and 
>>> indoor Picasso exhibit, and dine at the Gora Brewery- a Nobu restaurant.
>>>
>>> As you may have read in Will K's musings on Tokyo, it is a wonderful 
>>> city in which to ride a bicycle.
>>>
>>> Enjoy! John
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:
>>>
 Reading Grant's recent blog post about visiting Nitto reminded me that 
 i'm heading to Japan next week!   

 Any last minute tips anyone would like to suggest, i already have a 
 visit to Blue Lug--need to pick up a few things that would be too 
 expensive 
 with shipping!  

 I was hoping to make it to Circles in Nagoya, but didn't work out with 
 our schedule.  Happy to take any and all suggestions!

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Jkarlin]

Thanks y'all! And sorry for the typo in the title. (This was my first post 
in this google group, so it took a little while to go through.) 

I really appreciate the personal anecdotes and advice. I did end up talking 
to some of the guys at Riv, and they recommended I go with the 59, since my 
pbh is pretty much right in the middle of of the range for that size and 
this is my first Rivendell. They said I *might* want to size up if I end up 
loving their bikes and want another frame, but that the 59 is going to feel 
plenty luxurious compared to the road bike I'm doing everything on now. 

I did spring for their "you pick the fun stuff" build option--thought it 
would be worth it to have the bike built up by their own mechanics and that 
it would be fun to see whhat they choose. So I'll end up with the 
lime/olive frame, bosco bars, friction shifting, the triple crank, and 
whatever else they put on there to build it out (I'll put on mks lambda 
pedals and a brooks c17 )! Shipping ETA is late next week, and I'm super 
stoked. 

Thanks again for all the help! I am curious to know more about the make and 
model of the rear rack in the picture from "fiddleharpa"...

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59 and 
> have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was more 
> upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing such a 
> long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the 
>> recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but 
>> also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not 
>> necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more 
>> traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in 
>> the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to 
>> run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing 
>>  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.
>>
>> It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at 
>> the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a 
>> more informed decision.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>>> Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & 
>>> how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the 
>>> bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 
>>> extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I 
>>> could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In 
>>> addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy 
>>> with what I have. Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my 
>>> usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's 
>>> honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your 
>>> bike rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently 
>>> upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without 
>>> modification. Here's what it looks like *barely *squeezing onto a 
>>> standard roof rack...
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of 
 their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty 
 squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed 
 sizing 
 up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just 
 wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems 
 like a lot more bike than I'm used to! 

 (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a 
 great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, 
 utility, and trail capability.)

 Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Ryan Frahm]

I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59 and 
have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was more 
upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing such a 
long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though. 

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the 
> recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but 
> also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not 
> necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more 
> traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in 
> the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to 
> run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing 
>  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.
>
> It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at 
> the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a 
> more informed decision.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>
>> Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & 
>> how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the 
>> bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 
>> extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I 
>> could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In 
>> addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy 
>> with what I have. Hope that helps.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:
>>
>> I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my 
>> usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's 
>> honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your bike 
>> rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently 
>> upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without 
>> modification. Here's what it looks like *barely *squeezing onto a 
>> standard roof rack...
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of 
>>> their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty 
>>> squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing 
>>> up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just 
>>> wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems 
>>> like a lot more bike than I'm used to! 
>>>
>>> (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a 
>>> great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, 
>>> utility, and trail capability.)
>>>
>>> Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Ted W]

I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the
recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but
also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not
necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more
traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in
the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to
run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing
 or up if you’re in the top half of the range.

It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at
the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a
more informed decision.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars &
> how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the
> bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135
> extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I
> could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In
> addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy
> with what I have. Hope that helps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:
>
> I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my
> usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's
> honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:
>
> 
>
>
> The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your bike
> rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently
> upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without
> modification. Here's what it looks like *barely *squeezing onto a
> standard roof rack...
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of
>> their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty
>> squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing
>> up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just
>> wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems
>> like a lot more bike than I'm used to!
>>
>> (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a
>> great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting,
>> utility, and trail capability.)
>>
>> Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Bill Lindsay]

"You get way faster when your bike gets lighter."

Proven fact.  If you want to go 1 mile per hour faster, all you have to do 
is make your bike 12 pounds lighter.  This is known.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Damn skippy. Breast pockets are awesome; I own one jersey with them (a San 
> Pellegrino that’s probably a repopulate, but it’s old enough that maybe 
> it’s original). In spite of the fact that the pockets are a little higher 
> than I’d prefer, they’re invaluable for phone/keys/snacks.
>
> Placement of pockets (both front and rear) are very personal; different 
> heights work for different people. If I were making my own jersey, I’d ride 
> it pocketless for a bit to figure out ideal placement before stitching the 
> pocket panels on.
>
> I find that bike-y sweaters typically don’t have pockets, as they’re more 
> like apres-ski wear. The sweaters that do often have a single zippers 
> pocket on the back. The big advantage of pockets is not having to carry an 
> extraneous bag every time you mount up.I always need to carry stuff, but 
> why should I pedal around huge bags if I only need stuff I can into 
> pockets? Strip the bags off (or ride a bag less bike), and all of a sudden 
> the collateral benefit of riding a heavy bike around becomes obvious: You 
> get way faster when your bike gets lighter.
>
> Peter “95% on the make you strong bike w/racks and panniers” Adler
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> But please consider button front breast pockets. For light things -- 
>> snack, phone, keys, wallet, they work wonderfully. I had just one jersey 
>> with them -- a retro-copy -- and I wish I'd kept it.
>>
>> Me, I miss pockets (rear as well as front) when my top doesn't have them.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:27 AM 'William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This fall/winter I am planning to knit my first bike sweater. It will be 
>>> a green quarter zip with a yellow stripe on the body and arms to match my 
>>> Goodrich. If the fit turns out right, I will make a few more to match other 
>>> bikes. I don't use back pockets, so the zipper will be challenge on this 
>>> project. 
>>>
>>> As for pants, I roll my jeans up high. This morning I forgot to unroll 
>>> my jeans; another teacher complimented the one rolled look because they 
>>> knew I biked to work!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Richard Rose]

Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy with what I have. Hope that helps.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker  wrote:I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your bike rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without modification. Here's what it looks like barely squeezing onto a standard roof rack...On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just wondering if it'll be good, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems like a lot more bike than I'm used to! (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, utility, and trail capability.)Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.



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[RBW] Re: FS: MB-2 frame, 26" dynamo wheels, RH tires, saddles, pedals, Suntour, Crust bars

[Eric Marth]

Another update :o) 

Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 

Single tire, less than 400 miles. Make an offer. 

Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15 

Brand new, unmounted

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:57:30 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> UPDATE 9/17/23 
>
> Here's what's left as of today. Thanks to everyone for helping me move 
> this build along!
>
> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75
>
> Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25
>
> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>
> SR MTE-100 wayback seatpost, 26.8 — $75
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:25:20 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> A few things remaining: 
>>
>>
>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>>
>> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>>
>>
>> Problem Solvers Travel Agents (pair) — $25
>>
>> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 2:20:36 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — Quick update with some price reductions, here's what's left. 
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> PHOTOS HERE 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $300
>>>
>>> Velocity Atlas 26” wheelset, Kasai dynamo hub, XTR rear hub — $400
>>>
>>> Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75 
>>>
>>> Rene Herse Humptulips Ridge extralight (26 x 2.3) — $75
>>>
>>> Kool Stop Eagle 2 smooth post pads, one bikesworth — $15
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 The following have sold:

- Suntour XC seatpost
- Selle Anatomica saddle
- Hite Rite
- Outer Shell stem bag
- Brass head badges


 On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 2:13:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — I'm moving some things along. I posted this earlier and my 
> message disappeared. 
>
>
> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Let me know if you 
> have any questions. Thanks! 
>
>
> *PHOTOS HERE* 
> 
>
> [image: IMG_7294.JPG]
>
> 1985 Bridgestone MB-2 frame, fork and headset — $350
>
> This is a 21” frame with some modifications. I documented the build 
> process and frame modifications in this video 
> . Seat tube is 21” center to top. Top 
> tube is 23” center to center. Stout frame with rack braze-ons and bottle 
> bosses added to optimize hauling.
>
>
>- 
>
>Rear spacing cold set to 135mm
>- 
>
>Hourglass braze-ons added to fork, 3cm below canti posts
>- 
>
>Hourglass braze-ons added to seat stays 5cm below canti posts
>- 
>
>Pump peg added to back side of seat tube just below seat lug
>- 
>
>Original cable routing removed from top tube, barrel cable stops 
>added at four o’clock position 
>- 
>
>Third bottle boss added to top of down tube
>- 
>
>Two bottle bosses added to underside of down tube
>- 
>
>Modern cable routing guide added to bottom bracket shell. Please 
>note: The cable guide is missing one of the small plastic retaining 
> arches. 
>The cable stayed in place for me but worth mentioning in case you want 
> to 
>replace the whole guide before assembling the bike. 
>
>
> I had the frame stripped to bare steel, then I treated it with a 
> series of metal patinas to develop a surface rust finish. Then I coated 
> the 
> frame with clear lacquer and finished with two coats of Renaissance Wax. 
> The frame has developed some surface rust over the finish which I’ve 
> treated with a light round of sanding with a Scotch Brite followed by a 
> light coat of Boeshield. Frame treated inside with Frame Saver. 
>
>
> The frame is a rich brown and looks lighter in real life than in the 
> pictures. It is much darker in the photos here. You can get a better idea 
> of color in the build video.
>
> WTB Grease Guard headset installed. I purchased this headset as NOS 
> from Jacque Phelan and I have the original box available which is signed 
> by 
> Charlie Cunningham. Headset box included if you want it. Virtually zero 
> stack in the headset (same as with the headset that came with the bike). 
> A 
> stem or handlebar mounted cable hanger will be required if you’re running 
> cantilevers. 
>
> Includes a custom brass Bridgestone head badge. It’s attached with 
> double-sided 3M emblem tape. 
>
> Local pickup in Virginia would be great but I can and will ship. Let 
> me know 

Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Peter Adler]

Damn skippy. Breast pockets are awesome; I own one jersey with them (a San 
Pellegrino that’s probably a repopulate, but it’s old enough that maybe 
it’s original). In spite of the fact that the pockets are a little higher 
than I’d prefer, they’re invaluable for phone/keys/snacks.

Placement of pockets (both front and rear) are very personal; different 
heights work for different people. If I were making my own jersey, I’d ride 
it pocketless for a bit to figure out ideal placement before stitching the 
pocket panels on.

I find that bike-y sweaters typically don’t have pockets, as they’re more 
like apres-ski wear. The sweaters that do often have a single zippers 
pocket on the back. The big advantage of pockets is not having to carry an 
extraneous bag every time you mount up.I always need to carry stuff, but 
why should I pedal around huge bags if I only need stuff I can into 
pockets? Strip the bags off (or ride a bag less bike), and all of a sudden 
the collateral benefit of riding a heavy bike around becomes obvious: You 
get way faster when your bike gets lighter.

Peter “95% on the make you strong bike w/racks and panniers” Adler
Berkeley, CA

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> But please consider button front breast pockets. For light things -- 
> snack, phone, keys, wallet, they work wonderfully. I had just one jersey 
> with them -- a retro-copy -- and I wish I'd kept it.
>
> Me, I miss pockets (rear as well as front) when my top doesn't have them.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:27 AM 'William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> This fall/winter I am planning to knit my first bike sweater. It will be 
>> a green quarter zip with a yellow stripe on the body and arms to match my 
>> Goodrich. If the fit turns out right, I will make a few more to match other 
>> bikes. I don't use back pockets, so the zipper will be challenge on this 
>> project. 
>>
>> As for pants, I roll my jeans up high. This morning I forgot to unroll my 
>> jeans; another teacher complimented the one rolled look because they knew I 
>> biked to work!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Patrick Moore]

But please consider button front breast pockets. For light things -- snack,
phone, keys, wallet, they work wonderfully. I had just one jersey with them
-- a retro-copy -- and I wish I'd kept it.

Me, I miss pockets (rear as well as front) when my top doesn't have them.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:27 AM 'William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This fall/winter I am planning to knit my first bike sweater. It will be a
> green quarter zip with a yellow stripe on the body and arms to match my
> Goodrich. If the fit turns out right, I will make a few more to match other
> bikes. I don't use back pockets, so the zipper will be challenge on this
> project.
>
> As for pants, I roll my jeans up high. This morning I forgot to unroll my
> jeans; another teacher complimented the one rolled look because they knew I
> biked to work!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Last Minute Japan Tips!

[John Rinker]

Yes, Frakern, I forgot about that one! This is a beaufitul ride! Here are 
my tracks and some photos from this farewell tour of Japan: GaiaGPS tracks 
and photos 

Cheers, John

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:27:55 AM UTC-7 Frakern wrote:

> If you have your bicycle with you, I would suggest going on the Shimanami 
> Kaido (https://shimanami-cycle.or.jp/go-shimanami/). You can also rent 
> bicycles from there if you're not taking your bike. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Minh,
>>
>> Well, lucky you! Japan is a real treat in so many ways, and it is a very 
>> lovely country in which to cycle. Where will you be going and how long will 
>> you be in Japan? Will you have your bicycle with you?
>>
>> If you can get to Kyoto then I'd suggest a late-night cycle tour through 
>> the Gion district. In addition, an early morning cycle tour of the 'Five 
>> Mountains'- the five main Buddhist temples of Kyoto- was something I very 
>> much enjoyed doing.
>>
>> If you get to Kyushu, and find yourself in Kagoshima, there's a really 
>> great ride around Sakurajima- a very active volcano a short ferry away.
>>
>> There's a million things around Tokyo (not helpful, I know), but you'll 
>> be there at a very beautiful time of year weatherwise. Hakone is a cool 
>> day-trip where you can hike, enjoy a beautiful outdoor sculpture museum and 
>> indoor Picasso exhibit, and dine at the Gora Brewery- a Nobu restaurant.
>>
>> As you may have read in Will K's musings on Tokyo, it is a wonderful city 
>> in which to ride a bicycle.
>>
>> Enjoy! John
>>
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> Reading Grant's recent blog post about visiting Nitto reminded me that 
>>> i'm heading to Japan next week!   
>>>
>>> Any last minute tips anyone would like to suggest, i already have a 
>>> visit to Blue Lug--need to pick up a few things that would be too expensive 
>>> with shipping!  
>>>
>>> I was hoping to make it to Circles in Nagoya, but didn't work out with 
>>> our schedule.  Happy to take any and all suggestions!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[藍俊彪]

I started at 3.5 years old for the older one (it took longer than 9 months
to deliver the bike):
https://blog.piaw.net/2015/02/first-impression-co-motion-periscope.html

The younger one started at 2 years. The first time he got onto that bike he
pulled his feet out of the pedals because he didn't know he was supposed to
pedal. But he got the point real quick. At 4 years old he was not much
better than a bike decoration (we joked that his job was to look cute), but
now he's easily putting out enough power to do major climbs. At 5 years old
the older one was tall enough to ride without the kidback kit. At 4 the
younger one (who's probably going to be taller than I am as an adult)
ditched the kidback.

I believe (and have not found any documentation to contradict this) that
we're the first triplet with kids under 12 to make it over the top of the
Stelvio pass in Italy. https://blog.piaw.net/2022/07/tour-of-alps-2022.html

Piaw

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:21 AM Kushan  wrote:

> @jdubus - that is very encouraging to hear. With my 60 Appaloosa, looks
> like I have unintentionally managed to take care of your recommendations on
> sturdier frame and larger size. If you have any pictures of your set up
> with Thule mini and albatross bar (that's what I am running as well),
> please do share for some inspiration!
>
> @piaw - what a cool idea! When did you start your kids on tandems? I
> imagine it's also a good way to get them on a pedaled bikes before they can
> do it solo.
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:24:50 AM UTC-7 jdu...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I went through this just a few months ago. Before my son was born last
>> February I rode either a very lightweight steel racing bike or a Surly
>> Steamroller single speed, neither of which would work at all for carrying a
>> child. I'd admired the Rivs my friends have for a long while so it was a
>> great excuse to buy a Hillborne frame which I built up with a Thule Yepp
>> Next Mini. Originally I had had visions of using the bike both as a baby
>> commuter and a light cross bike, but I haven't done the latter and I'm not
>> sure I ever will.
>>
>> I'm very happy with how it turned out although I'd probably do things
>> slightly differently if I knew then what I know now. First of all, I should
>> have made the connection that riding with a child is basically the same as
>> doing fully loaded touring, which I did a lot of in my 20s. A Hillborne is
>> burly enough, but I'd probably just get an Atlantis if I could choose from
>> any frame and start over. I also would size up as much as possible. I got a
>> 54cm and fits well, but the cockpit is certainly tight with the kiddo.
>> Albastache bars work great though if the kid sits back and up straight his
>> head is just under my chin. Likewise my knees just barely clear the bottom
>> of the seat on the top of peddlestrokes. I think I'd be happy with the 57cm
>> tradeoff.
>>
>> My kid started riding at 10 months. I would have started at nine months
>> when we was already holding his head up strongly but I had to wait for the
>> Sams to come out and then to finish the build. He mildly resisted the
>> helmet but got used to it quickly and seemed to take to riding right away.
>> He especially loves riding when his mom is around. We've got a tandem
>> coming soon that I can't wait for us all to ride together. He's a big kid
>> and in six months (when he's two) I'll probably transition him to the rear.
>> I have no regrets starting him out front though; it's nice to be able to
>> see him and my guess is he prefers it also. Mostly we ride on errands in
>> the western half of SF and through Golden Gate Park, but occasionally we
>> ride from one end of the city to the other and back. It's a workout since a
>> fair amount of climbing is unavoidable, but comfortable enough for both of
>> us. This summer we went camping in Yosemite Valley and rode all over the
>> valley together, and those rides will be fond memories for the rest of my
>> life.
>>
>> Oh, and for anyone considering the Yepp Next Mini, don't make my mistake
>> and plan on using a canti brake up front: they're not compatible with the
>> Thule seat.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:47:47 PM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Trailer for me when my kids were small.  Don't like that unpredictable
>>> weight up high and they grow fast, so any up top solution is very
>>> impermanent.  They'll be towing me around soon :)
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid
 bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still
 uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better.

 Smitty

 On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:

> Smitty -
>
> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Kushan]

@jdubus - that is very encouraging to hear. With my 60 Appaloosa, looks 
like I have unintentionally managed to take care of your recommendations on 
sturdier frame and larger size. If you have any pictures of your set up 
with Thule mini and albatross bar (that's what I am running as well), 
please do share for some inspiration!

@piaw - what a cool idea! When did you start your kids on tandems? I 
imagine it's also a good way to get them on a pedaled bikes before they can 
do it solo. 
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:24:50 AM UTC-7 jdu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I went through this just a few months ago. Before my son was born last 
> February I rode either a very lightweight steel racing bike or a Surly 
> Steamroller single speed, neither of which would work at all for carrying a 
> child. I'd admired the Rivs my friends have for a long while so it was a 
> great excuse to buy a Hillborne frame which I built up with a Thule Yepp 
> Next Mini. Originally I had had visions of using the bike both as a baby 
> commuter and a light cross bike, but I haven't done the latter and I'm not 
> sure I ever will.
>
> I'm very happy with how it turned out although I'd probably do things 
> slightly differently if I knew then what I know now. First of all, I should 
> have made the connection that riding with a child is basically the same as 
> doing fully loaded touring, which I did a lot of in my 20s. A Hillborne is 
> burly enough, but I'd probably just get an Atlantis if I could choose from 
> any frame and start over. I also would size up as much as possible. I got a 
> 54cm and fits well, but the cockpit is certainly tight with the kiddo. 
> Albastache bars work great though if the kid sits back and up straight his 
> head is just under my chin. Likewise my knees just barely clear the bottom 
> of the seat on the top of peddlestrokes. I think I'd be happy with the 57cm 
> tradeoff.
>
> My kid started riding at 10 months. I would have started at nine months 
> when we was already holding his head up strongly but I had to wait for the 
> Sams to come out and then to finish the build. He mildly resisted the 
> helmet but got used to it quickly and seemed to take to riding right away. 
> He especially loves riding when his mom is around. We've got a tandem 
> coming soon that I can't wait for us all to ride together. He's a big kid 
> and in six months (when he's two) I'll probably transition him to the rear. 
> I have no regrets starting him out front though; it's nice to be able to 
> see him and my guess is he prefers it also. Mostly we ride on errands in 
> the western half of SF and through Golden Gate Park, but occasionally we 
> ride from one end of the city to the other and back. It's a workout since a 
> fair amount of climbing is unavoidable, but comfortable enough for both of 
> us. This summer we went camping in Yosemite Valley and rode all over the 
> valley together, and those rides will be fond memories for the rest of my 
> life.
>
> Oh, and for anyone considering the Yepp Next Mini, don't make my mistake 
> and plan on using a canti brake up front: they're not compatible with the 
> Thule seat.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:47:47 PM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Trailer for me when my kids were small.  Don't like that unpredictable 
>> weight up high and they grow fast, so any up top solution is very 
>> impermanent.  They'll be towing me around soon :)
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid 
>>> bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still 
>>> uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better. 
>>>
>>> Smitty
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Smitty - 

 May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
 clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
 earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
 and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
 frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
 them. 

 I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun 
 and functional.

 On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 
> 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up 
> with 
> a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 
> bikes. 
> It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I 
> waited 
> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round 

[RBW] Re: Some Riv/MUSA Clothes for Sale

[Daniel Rooke]

All sold.  Thanks!

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:45:40 PM UTC-6 Daniel Rooke wrote:

> I never really wear these so time to part ways.  Everything has been worn 
> and shows some signs of wear.  Mostly a little fading but also a few 
> spots.  I tried to photograph this.  Pricing things fairly I think.  
> Shipping included in price.  I can bundle things together for a lower price 
> too.
>
> 2 Platypus Tees - Size XL - $17 each or two for $30
> 1 MUSA Railroad Shirt - Size Large - $35
> 1 Pair of Grey MUSA pants w/ velcro Cuffs - $60 (tag has been cut out but 
> fits like a large)
>
> $110 shipped for all of it
>
> Thanks
>
> Photos 
> 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Road spotted

[Ryan]

Doppelganger..but you have those nice Ritchey cranks too
A lovely set of fraternal twins

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 10:29:18 AM UTC-5 swolford wrote:

> Paul,
>
> This is more of an excuse to post a picture of my 1999 Riv road standard, 
> but I do have a tangentially related story ...
>
> [image: IMG_20190531_100013.jpg]
>
> First, it is almost as if someone had lifted my bike out of the garage 
> here in San Francisco and deposited it in Virginia.  I mean, I don't have 
> the Nitto lugged stem, but otherwise we're not too far off. 
>
> Second, this picture of mine was actually taken in Virginia a few years 
> ago.  I flew out to the East Coast to meet up with friends, and we road the 
> C and Gap trails from Pittsburgh to D.C.  I think this was taken 
> somewhere in the vicinity of Vienna, VA.
>
> And, of course, curious to hear from the owner of the twin Riv!
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 7:45:41 AM UTC-7 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> While eating at one of our favorite coffee shops near Jamestown, Va. (on 
>> the Va. Capital Trail) recently, our group spotted this near-pristine 
>> Rivendell Road (?) parked at the outside deck. 
>> I don't see many of these in my neck of the woods so stopped to ask. The 
>> owner bought it new (maybe late 1990's?). I doesn't seem to have gotten 
>> much use, but maybe he is super-careful with the bike.[image: Inline 
>> image]
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Piaw Na]

I definitely think that too few parents consider tandems/triplets for their 
kids. I have a custom kidback built by the late Peter Johnson and my kids 
rode them a lot when they were small. Here's what they looked like when 
they were 4 and 7 riding in Switzerland: 

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WoGpbwSHABs/XSHtSl9rWQI/AAAE7y4/DQlYnVWKC845Ako73oKKfMFopttW1sdFACKgBGAs/s1600/IMG_20190615_131810.jpg

The 4 year old would fall asleep in the middle of the afternoon and we'd 
have to take a nap break for him, but those days go by fast and today he's 
8 and speeding to school on his Woom 5 and his mom cannot keep up with him 
without turning on the ebike motor. In preschool he was one of the first 
kids to learn to ride a bike with pedals and no training wheels. He showed 
up for the school's bike race and from way back lapped the field twice. We 
sold a lot of Woom 2s that day. :-)

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:23:28 AM UTC-7 josh.zi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Kickbacks are the best!!!
>
> If you have the room for one setting up a tandem like the one in picture 
> is 100% the most fun way to ride with a kid (not a baby).  Really engaging 
> and bonding style to go about!
>
> Sheldon Brown and some tandem outfitter site (name escapes me) had tons of 
> great information!
>
> Kidback to crankarm shortness to regular ol tandem is the process.
>
> Josh Z
> Oregon
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 8:23 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Y'all, 
>>
>> Dewey kids started riding bikes shortly after they were born. Kid #2, our 
>> son, had his first bike ride at 6 weeks in a little baby 'backpack carrier' 
>> along some gravel roads in Northern Minnesota in 1981. When he was 2 years 
>> old he 'graduated' (got bumped up) to the back of our good ol' Santana 
>> tandem and at age 3 he finished a half-century. Both kids had completed 
>> centurys by their 3rd birthdays. In 1996, we rode same tandem from Seattle 
>> to Thief River Falls, MN, mostly along tiny Canadian backroads. Purist 
>> magic!
>>
>> And 42 years later now, we are still riding together...the best riding 
>> pal I've ever had. And so grateful for it.
>>
>> [image: JD & TJD.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 8:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your 
>>> area. 
>>>
>>> i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a 
>>> yepp maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after 
>>> he grew out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front 
>>> with me. 
>>>
>>> fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his 
>>> bike w swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there 
>>> wasn’t even a kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure 
>>> there’s an ideal setup for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is 
>>> not it  
>>>
>>> i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not 
>>> rated for his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something 
>>> beefier. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>>
 Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
 with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
 did you use? Where did you ride? 

 My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce 
 him to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers 
 (both facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a 
 ride with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. 
 Most 
 online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
 not sure if that's based on any actual research. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Blue Lug FW30 Stem, Thomson Seatpost, Nitto S65, Monarch Pedals

[Johnny Alien]

So here is the stuff that is left. I am also adding some brand new IRD 
Cafam brake levers.

   - Blue Lug FW30 Stem - Dull Silver - 80mm extension. *$75*
   - Thomson Masterpiece seatpost - Silver, straight, 26.8 X 240mm *$80*
   - Nitto S65 - 26.8 X 250mm *$80*
   - IRD short pull Cafam brake levers - silver - *$80*


On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Wavies are gone too. Stem and seatpost are still available. Thanks 
> everyone.
>
> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 3:52:11 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Monarch pedals are sold.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 3:11:41 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Here are some parts I have for sale that I had ready for my Roadini. I 
>>> can work out deals for anyone wanting the frame too. No photos because its 
>>> rainy and dark but everything is as new with no miles or anything. I am 
>>> only selling one seatpost so whichever one goes first. All prices include 
>>> shipping.
>>>
>>>- Blue Lug FW30 Stem - Dull Silver - 80mm extension. *$75*
>>>- Monarch pedals - Titan (which is what Rivendell calls Champagne) 
>>>*$50*
>>>- Thomson Masterpiece seatpost - Silver, straight, 26.8 X 240mm *$80*
>>>- Nitto S65 - 26.8 X 250mm *$80*
>>>- Wavie handlebars - Not new but in good shape. I need to find a 
>>>box. *$85*
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Johnny Alien]

I really think its a personal thing. Loads of people here will tell you 
they size up like Rivendell often recommends and love it. I have tried it 
before and it does not work for me. I personally cannot get a proper fit 
that way. There was always a compromise somewhere. If you are squarely in 
the middle then I would go with that. If you are at the top end then sizing 
up may be the best option.

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:

> Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of their 
> complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty squarely in 
> the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing 
> up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just 
> wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems 
> like a lot more bike than I'm used to! 
>
> (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a 
> great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, 
> utility, and trail capability.)
>
> Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.
>

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Re: [RBW] Style on the bike

[danielle da cruz]

Will, love everything thing about this! I got such a visual image of both the 
sweater(s) and the rolled jeans. As a fellow knitter I’m feeling inspired!

Danielle in Cambridge 

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 5:43 PM, 'William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> This fall/winter I am planning to knit my first bike sweater. It will be a 
> green quarter zip with a yellow stripe on the body and arms to match my 
> Goodrich. If the fit turns out right, I will make a few more to match other 
> bikes. I don't use back pockets, so the zipper will be challenge on this 
> project. 
> 
> As for pants, I roll my jeans up high. This morning I forgot to unroll my 
> jeans; another teacher complimented the one rolled look because they knew I 
> biked to work!
> 
> Will in Minneapolis
> 
> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
> I usually wear a snap button down "fly fishing" shirt from Howler Bros. Long 
> sleave whatever the temps. Popping the collar and leaving the sleaves down in 
> the sun really does help. For bottoms I usually wear some sort of levis cut 
> in to Bob Weir style shorts or "bobby's". Winter I tuck my pant leg into my 
> sock if theres slack.
> 
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 10:29:29 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
> I had a longer, rambling, draft response on this topic that is better left 
> unread and may revisit to actually re-organize my thoughts at some point and 
> maybe add to the discussion but had to at least come back to add one note:  
> With all the mention of WIDE legs and '90's attire returning... as another 
> 90's (Gen. 'something or another' and class of '99!) member, I can't help but 
> imagine someone attempting a tuck/peg & fold or ankle strapping on some of 
> those ultra wide JNCO jeans for a ride.  Thanks for the much needed laughs!  
> The kind with deep pockets could even carry a pump, tube(s), toolkit, 
> snacks, Hydroflasks, etc!  Who needs racks or bags or jersey pockets?!
> 
> Brian
> Lawrence NJ
> 
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:52:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Leah
> 
> If you are claiming credit for turning me into a fop, then I'd dispute that 
> claim
> If you are claiming credit for helping make the RBW Group a more welcoming 
> space for people like me to let their fop flag fly, then I'd definitely agree.
> 
> :)
> 
> BL in EC
> 
> 
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 10:45:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> See? Already my Bike Fashion Thread is changing the world. I’ll try to remain 
> humble over here.
> Leah
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote:
>> 
>> I've got three Ostroy resort shirts now... and two more in my "Cart". They 
>> are addictive.
> 
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-7 bei...@gmail.com <> 
>> wrote:
>> Leah, this thread is an awesome idea and I want a men’s version of your LL 
>> Bean jumper. That thing is awesome!
>> 
>> Luke’s photos make me think that Rivendell should start selling turquoise 
>> jewelry under their “Silver” brand to accompany all Atlantises…men 
>> definitely need more accessories! 
>> 
>> My brother used to work at a local bike shop and got me hooked on wearing 
>> these “Resort Shirts” from Ostroy, which are great on warmer days and also 
>> really fun party shirts:
>> 
>> https://ostroy.com/collections/resort-shirts 
>> 
>> 
>> That, paired with some Jcrew Dock Shorts and a pair of Bedrock sandals is my 
>> go-to bike fit for May-September. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Whenever I wear pants on the bike, the drive side pant leg is always folded 
>> over to take in slack and tucked into my sock. 
>> 
>> - Christian in Colorado, 
>> who just learned how to respond to this group on a cell phone…
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:24:38 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Steve - I love your style, both bike and outfit! How is that Platy treating 
>> you? 
>> 
>> Sally - great use of the poodle sock, and you know I fully support a 
>> matching Platypus! Though I do so love a Clem, too…
>> 
>> I’m going to put on a fall outfit today, but I haven’t decided if it will be 
>> my freshly-hemmed wide leg trousers yet. I shudder when I think of trying to 
>> keep them out of the chainrings of my mermaid Platy. After years of skinny 
>> jeans they just seem SO WIDE. I did get more leg straps (pink!) so we’ll 
>> see. I’ll post a photo later, if I can get one of these teenagers to help me.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Jason Fuller > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The late 90s were also my era. I was obsessed with mountain biking then as 
>>> well, although I was less concerned about chain grease on my pants at the 
>>> time. This old photo shows me riding pretty baggy jeans without a tucked 
>>> cuff, but I recall I used to always wear longer socks and tuck my drive 
>>> side pant leg in.  I also wore capri length 

Re: [RBW] Re: Front basket rack recommendations

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought a Manivelle rack for my wife's bike, she likes it a lot! Most are 
in silver or black, but we bought this cool pink/retro style one. I bought 
it through my LBS though. 


https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/shop/racks-baskets/manivelle-basket-editon-60s/

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 4:14:21 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> FWIW, a friend of mine recently picked up a Pelago Rasket, and while 
> Pelago makes very nice, affordable racks, my friend said he was shocked at 
> how incredibly heavy the Rasket was.
>
> On Sep 21, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Alex K  wrote:
>
> Oh boy. That is a brilliant use of the Tumbleweed rack If only The 
> Sam fork had those mounts on the fork I really really dig that. As far 
> as the Tunitas 137 Basket Tote in the Wald 139 basket, I tried a Tunitas 
> 139 Basket Bag in the 139 basket and it was way too snug, no wiggle room 
> and I really had to jam it in there to get it to feel right. The 137 Basket 
> Tote just fits better. Similar issues with the Sackville ShopSack Large vs. 
> Medium. The large WILL fit, but the medium fits like a glove. Will keep an 
> eye out for the pelago
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:28:53 AM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Just double checking - but you mention a Wald 139 basket (the larger one) 
>> and the Tunitas 137 tote (the one designed for the Wald 137 basket).
>>
>> If you are looking for the larger basket, then the Pelago Rasket may be 
>> worth a look. It's another combo basket and front rack and the basket is 
>> slightly larger than the Wald 139.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 1:12:26 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it odd that the basket was a bit larger than a Wald 137. Seems 
>>> so many nice basket bags are perfectly sized for the 137. I have been very 
>>> happy mounting my 137 via zip ties to a Tumbleweed “T” rack. The best thing 
>>> about the Tumbleweed racks is the 3 bolt mounts built in to the support 
>>> legs. Makes these racks very versatile.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2023, at 12:54 PM, greenteadrinkers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the latest PLP video, Russ brings to light a nice basket solution 
>>> from a company called Manivelle. The Le Porteur version is a little less 
>>> than 2 lbs, which is kind of amazing for a basket and rack combination. The 
>>> standard version seems to work well with a basket bag. Looks like you might 
>>> spend under $100 for the Manivelle.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Just found a screamin deal on a fully built 51 Sam. Now it's time to 
 get it kitted out. I love my Pass And Stow for the heavy duty- stuff and 
 aesthetically, it's unmatched IMO. Perhaps a bit of overkill as a simple 
 basket rack. Would love an RBW51 Nitto rack, but not sure I can justify 
 the 
 $288 plus tax. Looking for something simple and elegant and cost-efficient 
 for mounting a Wald 139 Hardware-less Basket and a Tunitas 137 Tote. 
 If anybody has a well used RBW51 that they would be willing to part 
 with, I'd love to hear from you.
 Also looking for other options and would love to see what y'all are 
 using for your Wald 139 Baskets.
 Thanks!
 Alex
 a c k s f 7 8 gmail

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[RBW] WTB: quickbeam 54

[ちゃんかわ]

Is there anyone who can sell quick beam? I'm looking for size 54.

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[RBW] Re: WTB Nitto R-14 Rear Rack

[Ello Shertzer]

I have a new R-14 that I don't have any use for. I'm located in Philly but 
can ship it if you're not in the general northeast area.

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 6:35:22 PM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I would suggest the R15 
>  
> in lieu of the R14 given the timeline for improved availability of Nitto 
> stuff. The R15 does require a bracket for European style rear lights tho 
> (available 
> here ). Attached is 
> the R15 on my Atlantis. 
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Re: [RBW] My one year anniversary of ownership of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle.

[Kim H.]

@Ryan - I thank you very much for the compliment. I appreciate it.

Love to see some pictures of your Susie !

Kim Hetzel.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 8:25 AM Ryan Ogilvie  wrote:

>
> Bike looks great, Kim.
>
> I’m pretty smitten with my newly acquired and built Suz.
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:59:50 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Yes, I am not selling or trading mine, until am ready to find a RBW Blue
>> one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:39:08 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, yes & YES! Not selling, eh? Until you find the blue one!:)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 12:00 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I just want to share that today marks a one year anniversary of my
>> ownership of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle.  This is my first Rivendell
>> bicycle.
>>
>> Over the course of a year, I have learned to fully appreciate it in every
>> way as a senior cyclist. I delight in the upright riding position with the
>> Nitto Bosco handlebars and Nitto Techomic long stem, the elongated chain
>> stays and wheelbase of almost 80" for stability and sure-footedness on and
>> off road riding. Furthermore, I appreciate the low gearing that I have
>> customized thanks to the Avid Micro-adapter. I now have 34/20T on Silver
>> crankset and a SunRace 11-40T 9-speed cassette, of which allows me with a
>> wide gear ranges.
>>
>> My bike is not fast. I do not mind. I can see the world around me better.
>> It is comfortable and that in itself matters a lot. It is a keeper. I do
>> not plan selling anytime soon. It is my retirement bike.
>>
>> I am in love.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> The two pictures below are:
>> 1). The bike what it looked like from the seller before he sold it to me.
>> 2). My bike after one year of ownership with all of my personal upgrades.
>>
>> 
>>
>> <20230829_155025zzz September 2023 2.jpg>
>>
>>
>> Thank-you, Paul.
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[RBW] Re: Assorted Parts (Nitto, Selle Italia, Bruce Gordon, Velo Orange, Rene Herse...)

[Logan Eiland]

In case you have trouble accessing photos through the links in my original
post, here is a new and hopefully working link
.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 10:32 AM Logan Eiland  wrote:

> Hi all. Over the course of setting up a few bicycles for myself and family
> members I acquired some parts and bits that it turns out I do not need. FS
> parts and prices described below. Shipping from southeast Michigan at
> buyer's expense. The listed order below should correspond with the order of
> images in this *album*
> 
> .
>
> Feel free to make an offer if you're interested in something but the price
> looks off or if you want to bundle a few things together.
>
> In addition to the items FS I am also interested in acquiring (for $ or
> trade): (1) a front rack designed to be mounted to center pull braze-ons
> and (2) a rando bag in good condition. Anyone holding and looking to part
> ways with either rack or bag?
>
> I am a regular reader but an infrequent contributor to this list and this
> is my first for sale post. I tried to comply with the guidelines but please
> let me know if I left something out.
>
> Thank you for looking.
>
> *PICTURES
> *
>
>- *Nitto FW30 - $65*
>   - 60mm
>   - 25.4 clamp diameter
>   - Installed and removed. Like new.
>- *Nitto Technomic 225 - $40*
>   - 90mm
>   - 25.4 clamp diameter
>   - Lightly used
>- *Nitto Dynamic II - $15*
>   - Used, removed from 1993 Bridgestone XO2
>   - 25.4 clamp diameter
>- *Nitto Dynamic - $35*
>   - 90mm
>   - 26.0 clamp diameter
>- *Nitto Technomic 225 - $40*
>   - 50mm
>   - 26.0 clamp diameter
>   - Lightly used
>- *Selle Italia Flite - $85*
>   - Titanium rails
>   - Lightly used
>- *Blue Lug Chain Guard - $10*
>   - 110bcd (42t)
>   - Unused
>- *Sim Works Sim Drops - $30*
>   - For drop bars
>   - Black
>   - New, unopened
>- *Ritchey Classic Zero Seatpost - $30*
>   - Installed and lightly used
>   - 27.2 diameter, 350mm
>   - Lightly used. Like new except for scratches due to removal from
>   seat tube (see photos).
>- *Soma Wakizashi Seatpost - $20*
>   - Lightly used
>   - 27.2 diameter
>- *Unknown Velo Orange riser handlebar - $5 when combined with
>something else*
>- *Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road Tires (2) - $100*
>   - 650x48
>   - Purchased new in Spring 2023. Installed and removed, never used.
>   Stored unrolled and safe from extreme temperatures.
>- *Rene Herse UD-2 Cantilever Front Rack - trade for center pull
>braze-on mountable front rack*
>   - Two sets of struts, long and normal
>   - Purchased new. Lightly used.
>   - Would love to trade for a similar quality rack compatible with
>   center pull brakes.
>- *Waxwing Rando Bag - $125*
>   - Purchased for $150 from another list member and quickly realized
>   it would not work for my bike.
>- *Velo Orange Drop Bars - $25*
>   - Used condition (scratches and tape residue)
>   - 31.8
>- *Velo Orange Leather Bar Tape - $45*
>   - Unopened, includes two matching bar plugs.
>- *Dia Compe BRS 100 Short Reach Side Pull Brake Set - $70*
>   - New, never installed.
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Shiny front derailleur for 42/28 Silver crankset

[daniel belyusar]

HI Kurt, 
I picked up the cheap-y skeleton key FD from Riv when I built my 42/20 
Appaloosa a couple months ago and it is frankly pretty remarkable. I am 
also using Microshift Thumbies.  As the ad copy says it's an "ugly 
son-of-a-bitch" but it is a little shiny per spec above. It has an unusual 
(to me) cable routing that I think makes it particularly snug. I've 
honestly never had a FD go on so quick and with so little adjustment. A 
couple hundred miles in, some fairly rough, some quite hilly and it's never 
missed a 
beat. https://www.rivbike.com/products/derailer-front-stubby-skeleton-key

Dan in Chicago 

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 11:31:17 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Shimano CX-70 FD shifts very nicely on my Silver crankset with rings of 
> 34/20T with an Avid Miro-adapter. I have a SunRace 11-40T cassette with a 
> Shimano M952 RD.
> Currently, there are two of the Shimano CX-70 FDs' on eBay; one bottom 
> pull and the other direct mount.
>
> [image: thumbnail_20230921_150905_HDR a.jpg]
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:11:11 AM UTC-7 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> When changing my Riv from 3x9 to 2x11, with a New Albion 26/42/chainguard 
>> setup, instead of using my Suntour XC Pro FD (which probably would have 
>> worked just fine), that I've been using for ~25 years, I opted for an older 
>> "road" double. I found a really nicely cleaned up Campagnolo Croce d'Aune 
>> FD from c. 1990 on eBay from the UK, and it shifts just fine. It's also 
>> very shiny! I've always liked having a mix of manufacturers, so although a 
>> similar Dura Ace or Ultegra would be just as good, I wanted a Campy part 
>> because I didn't have any other Campy parts on this bike. 
>>
>> So, any good "road double" from the friction front shifter era would 
>> probably be great.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 4:24:02 PM UTC-7 Kurt Henry wrote:
>>
>>> So, I just found out that the few months I thought I had to firm up 
>>> parts for an upcoming Riv-inspired Inglis/Retrotec custom is a little 
>>> shorter than that.  When I got a call last week, it was to inform me that I 
>>> was #2 on the build list, and #1 wasn't returning calls.  Sounds like I 
>>> need to figure out a few things in short order!  
>>>
>>> I want to run a Silver 42/28 crankset but not sure what to use for front 
>>> shifting duties.  I've used a Suntour Cyclone to shift a 28/45/50 in the 
>>> past but am not sure that's the best option.  Maybe a derailleur intended 
>>> for MTB use would be better?
>>>
>>> The key other criteria I can think of are that I would prefer at least 
>>> some shiny parts.  Pure black modern components are a non-starter.  I will 
>>> have either an XT or XTR on the rear, both with a mix of black and silver, 
>>> so a little mix on the front is OK.  I'm going to be shifting with 
>>> Microshift thumbies.  They use friction on the front, so no worries about 
>>> indexing.  It's just a question of which derailleur is most likely to move 
>>> the chain in the smoothest way.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>> Kurt Henry
>>> Lancaster, PA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Assorted Parts (Nitto, Selle Italia, Bruce Gordon, Velo Orange, Rene Herse...)

[Logan Eiland]

Hi all. Over the course of setting up a few bicycles for myself and family
members I acquired some parts and bits that it turns out I do not need. FS
parts and prices described below. Shipping from southeast Michigan at
buyer's expense. The listed order below should correspond with the order of
images in this *album*

.

Feel free to make an offer if you're interested in something but the price
looks off or if you want to bundle a few things together.

In addition to the items FS I am also interested in acquiring (for $ or
trade): (1) a front rack designed to be mounted to center pull braze-ons
and (2) a rando bag in good condition. Anyone holding and looking to part
ways with either rack or bag?

I am a regular reader but an infrequent contributor to this list and this
is my first for sale post. I tried to comply with the guidelines but please
let me know if I left something out.

Thank you for looking.

*PICTURES
*

   - *Nitto FW30 - $65*
  - 60mm
  - 25.4 clamp diameter
  - Installed and removed. Like new.
   - *Nitto Technomic 225 - $40*
  - 90mm
  - 25.4 clamp diameter
  - Lightly used
   - *Nitto Dynamic II - $15*
  - Used, removed from 1993 Bridgestone XO2
  - 25.4 clamp diameter
   - *Nitto Dynamic - $35*
  - 90mm
  - 26.0 clamp diameter
   - *Nitto Technomic 225 - $40*
  - 50mm
  - 26.0 clamp diameter
  - Lightly used
   - *Selle Italia Flite - $85*
  - Titanium rails
  - Lightly used
   - *Blue Lug Chain Guard - $10*
  - 110bcd (42t)
  - Unused
   - *Sim Works Sim Drops - $30*
  - For drop bars
  - Black
  - New, unopened
   - *Ritchey Classic Zero Seatpost - $30*
  - Installed and lightly used
  - 27.2 diameter, 350mm
  - Lightly used. Like new except for scratches due to removal from
  seat tube (see photos).
   - *Soma Wakizashi Seatpost - $20*
  - Lightly used
  - 27.2 diameter
   - *Unknown Velo Orange riser handlebar - $5 when combined with
   something else*
   - *Bruce Gordon Rock n' Road Tires (2) - $100*
  - 650x48
  - Purchased new in Spring 2023. Installed and removed, never used.
  Stored unrolled and safe from extreme temperatures.
   - *Rene Herse UD-2 Cantilever Front Rack - trade for center pull
   braze-on mountable front rack*
  - Two sets of struts, long and normal
  - Purchased new. Lightly used.
  - Would love to trade for a similar quality rack compatible with
  center pull brakes.
   - *Waxwing Rando Bag - $125*
  - Purchased for $150 from another list member and quickly realized it
  would not work for my bike.
   - *Velo Orange Drop Bars - $25*
  - Used condition (scratches and tape residue)
  - 31.8
   - *Velo Orange Leather Bar Tape - $45*
  - Unopened, includes two matching bar plugs.
   - *Dia Compe BRS 100 Short Reach Side Pull Brake Set - $70*
  - New, never installed.

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[RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Chung Eun Kim]

I'm almost ready to get A Homer Hilsen and planning to use it as a baby 
hauling bike.
Has anyone tried using the frame mounted child seat in the rear or the stem 
mounted child seat?
I wonder if there's any concern with frame mounted seat compared to rack 
mounted seat.

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 7:45:41 PM UTC-7 bei...@gmail.com wrote:

> John Dewey, that is inspiring stuff! Thanks for sharing the story and 
> photo. My 11month old just went for her first ride in the burley trailer 
> today behind the Platypus. She’s been jogging with us before in it, and 
> worn her helmet around the house. Bounced around a bit more than I’d have 
> liked, but a safe and happy start!
> [image: IMG_4465.jpeg]
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:00:37 PM UTC-6 David Pulsipher wrote:
>
>> I started as soon as they could hold their head up to have a helmet on, 
>> so typically about 5-6 months.
>>
>> Using a DIY kid seat adapter on my Surly Big Dummy - raving success with 
>> all four of my children.
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Crs5-qwuVxl/
>>
>> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 8:58:35 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes 
>>> with babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc 
>>> did you use? Where did you ride? 
>>>
>>> My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him 
>>> to bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both 
>>> facing in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride 
>>> with him on a car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most 
>>> online resources recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am 
>>> not sure if that's based on any actual research. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Last Minute Japan Tips!

[Frakern]

If you have your bicycle with you, I would suggest going on the Shimanami 
Kaido (https://shimanami-cycle.or.jp/go-shimanami/). You can also rent 
bicycles from there if you're not taking your bike. 



On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 10:25:34 AM UTC+9 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Minh,
>
> Well, lucky you! Japan is a real treat in so many ways, and it is a very 
> lovely country in which to cycle. Where will you be going and how long will 
> you be in Japan? Will you have your bicycle with you?
>
> If you can get to Kyoto then I'd suggest a late-night cycle tour through 
> the Gion district. In addition, an early morning cycle tour of the 'Five 
> Mountains'- the five main Buddhist temples of Kyoto- was something I very 
> much enjoyed doing.
>
> If you get to Kyushu, and find yourself in Kagoshima, there's a really 
> great ride around Sakurajima- a very active volcano a short ferry away.
>
> There's a million things around Tokyo (not helpful, I know), but you'll be 
> there at a very beautiful time of year weatherwise. Hakone is a cool 
> day-trip where you can hike, enjoy a beautiful outdoor sculpture museum and 
> indoor Picasso exhibit, and dine at the Gora Brewery- a Nobu restaurant.
>
> As you may have read in Will K's musings on Tokyo, it is a wonderful city 
> in which to ride a bicycle.
>
> Enjoy! John
>
> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:
>
>> Reading Grant's recent blog post about visiting Nitto reminded me that 
>> i'm heading to Japan next week!   
>>
>> Any last minute tips anyone would like to suggest, i already have a visit 
>> to Blue Lug--need to pick up a few things that would be too expensive with 
>> shipping!  
>>
>> I was hoping to make it to Circles in Nagoya, but didn't work out with 
>> our schedule.  Happy to take any and all suggestions!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne at Paris Brest Paris

[Sean Keesler]

Hey, that's me! ;)
Yes, it's my bike of choice for sure. I took it into the Adirondacks loaded 
with a basket and rear panniers just before PBP for a week. It can do 
almost anything I ask of it. 
My others are a Bianchi from the 80s (that I sorta restored and take to 
Florida in the winters) and a Fuji Sportif endurance bike that would also 
have gotten the job done.
I don't make a big fuss about the bike when making these vignettes. There 
are so many people talking about the tool that I figure I'll leave that to 
them. It turns out a LOT of people also filmed their PBP adventure!

Sean

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 10:51:55 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> Trying to convince myself to start riding brevet I've been taking in all 
> the PBP 2023  suggestions from youtube the last few weeks and stumbled onto 
> video of a rider who finished the event on a double top tube Sam Hillborne. 
> Not a lot of footage of the bike in PBP vid but having a look at his other 
> videos, it appears to be his bike of choice.
>
>  For anyone who like me, just likes to watch people going on bike rides. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33b4wPQXKkU=5004s_channel=SeanKeesler
>

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[RBW] Hilsen

[Ryan Mulcahy]

I'm new to the group. I own a Crust Bombora but my wife has a Joe App and I 
sometimes use that for my 15 mile commute to work. It is perfect for the 
job. Thinking seriously about one of the new Hilsens -- I love the color -- 
and curious to hear from those who own about versatility, ride, weight (I 
don't care so much about weight, but curious), etc. And hello to you all, 
glad to be here!

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

['William Watson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This fall/winter I am planning to knit my first bike sweater. It will be a 
green quarter zip with a yellow stripe on the body and arms to match my 
Goodrich. If the fit turns out right, I will make a few more to match other 
bikes. I don't use back pockets, so the zipper will be challenge on this 
project. 

As for pants, I roll my jeans up high. This morning I forgot to unroll my 
jeans; another teacher complimented the one rolled look because they knew I 
biked to work!

Will in Minneapolis

On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-5 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> I usually wear a snap button down "fly fishing" shirt from Howler Bros. 
> Long sleave whatever the temps. Popping the collar and leaving the sleaves 
> down in the sun really does help. For bottoms I usually wear some sort of 
> levis cut in to Bob Weir style shorts or "bobby's". Winter I tuck my pant 
> leg into my sock if theres slack.
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 10:29:29 AM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> I had a longer, rambling, draft response on this topic that is better 
>> left unread and may revisit to actually re-organize my thoughts at some 
>> point and maybe add to the discussion but had to at least come back to add 
>> one note:  With all the mention of WIDE legs and '90's attire returning... 
>> as another 90's (Gen. 'something or another' and class of '99!) member, I 
>> can't help but imagine someone attempting a tuck/peg & fold or ankle 
>> strapping on some of those ultra wide JNCO jeans for a ride.  Thanks for 
>> the much needed laughs!  The kind with deep pockets could even carry a 
>> pump, tube(s), toolkit, snacks, Hydroflasks, etc!  Who needs racks or bags 
>> or jersey pockets?!
>>
>> Brian
>> Lawrence NJ
>>
>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 3:52:21 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> If you are claiming credit for turning me into a fop, then I'd dispute 
>>> that claim
>>> If you are claiming credit for helping make the RBW Group a more 
>>> welcoming space for people like me to let their fop flag fly, then I'd 
>>> definitely agree.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 10:45:48 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 See? Already my Bike Fashion Thread is changing the world. I’ll try to 
 remain humble over here.
 Leah

 On Sep 17, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

 I've got three Ostroy resort shirts now... and two more in my "Cart". 
 They are addictive.


 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-7 bei...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Leah, this thread is an awesome idea and I want a men’s version of 
> your LL Bean jumper. That thing is awesome!
>
> Luke’s photos make me think that Rivendell should start selling 
> turquoise jewelry under their “Silver” brand to accompany all 
> Atlantises…men definitely need more accessories! 
>
> My brother used to work at a local bike shop and got me hooked on 
> wearing these “Resort Shirts” from Ostroy, which are great on warmer days 
> and also really fun party shirts:
>
> https://ostroy.com/collections/resort-shirts
>
> That, paired with some Jcrew Dock Shorts and a pair of Bedrock sandals 
> is my go-to bike fit for May-September. 
> [image: IMG_1330.jpeg]
>
>
> Whenever I wear pants on the bike, the drive side pant leg is always 
> folded over to take in slack and tucked into my sock. 
>
> - Christian in Colorado, 
> who just learned how to respond to this group on a cell phone…
> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:24:38 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Steve - I love your style, both bike and outfit! How is that Platy 
>> treating you? 
>>
>> Sally - great use of the poodle sock, and you know I fully support a 
>> matching Platypus! Though I do so love a Clem, too…
>>
>> I’m going to put on a fall outfit today, but I haven’t decided if it 
>> will be my freshly-hemmed wide leg trousers yet. I shudder when I think 
>> of 
>> trying to keep them out of the chainrings of my mermaid Platy. After 
>> years 
>> of skinny jeans they just seem SO WIDE. I did get more leg straps 
>> (pink!) 
>> so we’ll see. I’ll post a photo later, if I can get one of these 
>> teenagers 
>> to help me.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> The late 90s were also my era. I was obsessed with mountain biking 
>> then as well, although I was less concerned about chain grease on my 
>> pants 
>> at the time. This old photo shows me riding pretty baggy jeans without a 
>> tucked cuff, but I recall I used to always wear longer socks and tuck my 
>> drive side pant leg in.  I also wore capri length baggy jeans in order 
>> to 
>> 

[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[E Lee]

Great write up! Took me back to a few years ago. I'd ventured 
cross-country, found myself in San Francisco, what else would a bike nerd 
do? Jump on the BART to Walnut Creek. I'd found myself confused as I 
rounded a section of storage unit type structures, only to find a discreet 
Rivendell Bike Works sign. Upon poking my head in, I'd found myself in the 
RBW headquarters. Some banter later, and Roman and Grant are deciding who 
will squire me through Shell Ridge.
 A fantastic experience all around. I left with a new hat, and a pocket 
full of Lip-Ivo.

E. Lee
Southeastern VA

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> As a lady who also wanted a yellow bike... and custom painted one Make 
> it happen! Say goodbye to barf green!
>
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.
>>
>> Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
>> travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around 
>> Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds 
>> and ends, but my wife has never been. 
>>
>> She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that I 
>> sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, but 
>> as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was excited for 
>> her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.
>>
>> We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
>> their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
>> about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, 
>> Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
>> amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping 
>> around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
>> nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.
>>
>> Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color 
>> of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the 
>> light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
>> context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
>> nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should 
>> have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
>> friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking up 
>> her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.
>>
>> After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer 
>> out the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride 
>> some trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James 
>> let me take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 
>>
>> We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on 
>> his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!
>>
>> They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give us 
>> the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
>> Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
>> first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??
>>
>> So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light 
>> trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave 
>> each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like 
>> you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"
>>
>> Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend 
>> most of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of 
>> Oakland. So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't 
>> the greatest. But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also 
>> felt comfortable knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've 
>> never really taken my Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of 
>> learning to do.
>>
>> What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least 
>> twice, but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride 
>> with Grant in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side 
>> of a hill which scored some laughs all around.
>>
>> As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride the 
>> terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The 
>> biggest thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, 
>> pedal. It took a bit of courage to do, but once I got the hang of it I was 
>> amazed at how, yes, you really can pedal through those moments of doubt and 
>> come away smiling. I'll never forget it. I was also in awe of how 
>> skillfully both Grant and Dan rode the terrain, they're incredibly skillful 
>> but 

RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[Bernard Duhon]

I often wondered what it would be like to take a ride with him (them). A 
metaphysical experience? :)

I will be humbled and ground into the dirt.
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Josh C
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:42 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

Great post. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a nice experience.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:08:37 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
That's just sensational.  You'll remember that day forever!

BL in EC
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
Hey All,

I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.

Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and travel 
to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around Shell 
Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds and ends, 
but my wife has never been.

She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that I 
sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, but as 
she didn't pick it, it's never truly been hers. I was excited for her to try 
out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.

We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find their PBH 
size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation about what type 
of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, Homer (the new gold 
ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, amongst others. She 
immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping around the compound 
with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I nerded out with James, 
checking out his Homer and Atlantis.

Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color of her 
frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the light (all 
things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For context, my wife is 
obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and nothing else will please her 
:) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should have a bike in a color that makes 
them love it, and so it in was in friendly jest that for the rest of our time 
together Grant kept talking up her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was 
hilarious.

After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer out the 
details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride some trails. I 
confessed that we'd never been out there before and James let me take a photo 
of a map they had on hand to get there.

We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on his 
army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!

They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give us the 
option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). Obviously, we 
were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our first ride in Riv's 
backyard. How cool is that??

So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light trails, 
and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave each other 
a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like you can handle 
yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"

Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend most 
of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of Oakland. 
So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't the greatest. 
But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also felt comfortable 
knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've never really taken my 
Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of learning to do.

What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least twice, 
but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride with Grant 
in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side of a hill 
which scored some laughs all around.

As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride the 
terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The biggest 
thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, pedal. It 
took a bit of courage to do, but once I got the hang of it I was amazed at how, 
yes, you really can pedal through those moments of doubt and come away smiling. 
I'll never forget it. I was also in awe of how skillfully both Grant and Dan 
rode the terrain, they're incredibly skillful but are never in your face about 
it.

Along the way, we had great conversations about not just bikes, but life. I 
asked Grant if he was going to celebrate Riv's 30th anniversary next year to 
which he yelled "NO!" (though I suspect people will celebrate him and the team 
anyway) and in turn, he asked us about our lives, our interests, our hobbies, 
etc. It was great to hear about his philosophy on life, on bikes and everything 
in between. We joked about 

RE: [RBW] PDW Safety Tabs

[Bernard Duhon]

I was saved on a communte by SKS “Breakaway” fenders.  I somehow kicked up a 
small log into my rear wheel. & came to a controled stop.  Didn’t even break a 
spoke.

So when I went to aluminum fenders for looks I got these and tabs.  They make 
plenty of sense.

BTW if you cut your fender stays too short these make up the difference.

Not that I would ever do such a thing






From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 8:28 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] PDW Safety Tabs

As a semi-fanatical fender freak (aluminum please!) who advocates their use for 
nearly any and all bikes, I feel obliged to share that after rolling over 
several thousand miles of gravel forest service roads my tire kicked an 
unidentified object up into the front fender while at speed. It was probably a 
short but stout stick.

When I installed a set of PDW Safety Tabs on my Ritchey a few months ago I 
figured they worked as a sacrificial break away item in the event that an 
object wedges between the tire and the fender.  What I discovered is that they 
employ a barbed plastic head that pops free of the metal tab they are inserted 
into. Indeed, I heard a loud POP when this occurred - followed by the sound of 
the fender rubbing as it dangled from the opposite, still intact stay. After 
straightening the slightly bent stay I was able to pop the tab back together 
and continue my ride.

Would I have been launched over the bars by a seized front wheel had I not 
installed the safety tabs? I don't know...and it's not a thing I care to 
experiment with.

Of course, SKS fenders come standard with safety mounting tabs - but for anyone 
running metal fenders that lack a safety tab, I can attest they are well worth 
the few dollars they cost.

I'm curious if anyone else has had this sort of 
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[RBW] Re: Russ Roca/Path Less Pedaled reflects on his Sam Hillborne

[A D]

Full circle, watching Russ' channel was how I was introduced to the 
Rivendell.

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:30:51 AM UTC-7 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Russ Roca has a new video up about his Sam Hillborne --  explaining why it 
> is the one bike he cannot see ever selling. 
>
> IMHO he does a really good job of explaining the appeal of the Rivendell 
> line. I think it is worth watching. 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6YG_Mk3zJ4
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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Re: [RBW] My one year anniversary of ownership of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle.

[Ryan Ogilvie]

Bike looks great, Kim. 

I’m pretty smitten with my newly acquired and built Suz. 
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 11:59:50 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Yes, I am not selling or trading mine, until am ready to find a RBW Blue 
> one. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 4:39:08 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Yes, yes & YES! Not selling, eh? Until you find the blue one!:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2023, at 12:00 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I just want to share that today marks a one year anniversary of my 
> ownership of my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle.  This is my first Rivendell 
> bicycle. 
>
> Over the course of a year, I have learned to fully appreciate it in every 
> way as a senior cyclist. I delight in the upright riding position with the 
> Nitto Bosco handlebars and Nitto Techomic long stem, the elongated chain 
> stays and wheelbase of almost 80" for stability and sure-footedness on and 
> off road riding. Furthermore, I appreciate the low gearing that I have 
> customized thanks to the Avid Micro-adapter. I now have 34/20T on Silver 
> crankset and a SunRace 11-40T 9-speed cassette, of which allows me with a 
> wide gear ranges.
>
> My bike is not fast. I do not mind. I can see the world around me better. 
> It is comfortable and that in itself matters a lot. It is a keeper. I do 
> not plan selling anytime soon. It is my retirement bike. 
>
> I am in love.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> The two pictures below are:
> 1). The bike what it looked like from the seller before he sold it to me.
> 2). My bike after one year of ownership with all of my personal upgrades. 
>
> 
>
> <20230829_155025zzz September 2023 2.jpg>
>
>
> Thank-you, Paul.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Jesse Dubus]

I went through this just a few months ago. Before my son was born last 
February I rode either a very lightweight steel racing bike or a Surly 
Steamroller single speed, neither of which would work at all for carrying a 
child. I'd admired the Rivs my friends have for a long while so it was a 
great excuse to buy a Hillborne frame which I built up with a Thule Yepp 
Next Mini. Originally I had had visions of using the bike both as a baby 
commuter and a light cross bike, but I haven't done the latter and I'm not 
sure I ever will.

I'm very happy with how it turned out although I'd probably do things 
slightly differently if I knew then what I know now. First of all, I should 
have made the connection that riding with a child is basically the same as 
doing fully loaded touring, which I did a lot of in my 20s. A Hillborne is 
burly enough, but I'd probably just get an Atlantis if I could choose from 
any frame and start over. I also would size up as much as possible. I got a 
54cm and fits well, but the cockpit is certainly tight with the kiddo. 
Albastache bars work great though if the kid sits back and up straight his 
head is just under my chin. Likewise my knees just barely clear the bottom 
of the seat on the top of peddlestrokes. I think I'd be happy with the 57cm 
tradeoff.

My kid started riding at 10 months. I would have started at nine months 
when we was already holding his head up strongly but I had to wait for the 
Sams to come out and then to finish the build. He mildly resisted the 
helmet but got used to it quickly and seemed to take to riding right away. 
He especially loves riding when his mom is around. We've got a tandem 
coming soon that I can't wait for us all to ride together. He's a big kid 
and in six months (when he's two) I'll probably transition him to the rear. 
I have no regrets starting him out front though; it's nice to be able to 
see him and my guess is he prefers it also. Mostly we ride on errands in 
the western half of SF and through Golden Gate Park, but occasionally we 
ride from one end of the city to the other and back. It's a workout since a 
fair amount of climbing is unavoidable, but comfortable enough for both of 
us. This summer we went camping in Yosemite Valley and rode all over the 
valley together, and those rides will be fond memories for the rest of my 
life.

Oh, and for anyone considering the Yepp Next Mini, don't make my mistake 
and plan on using a canti brake up front: they're not compatible with the 
Thule seat.



On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:47:47 PM UTC-7 wboe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Trailer for me when my kids were small.  Don't like that unpredictable 
> weight up high and they grow fast, so any up top solution is very 
> impermanent.  They'll be towing me around soon :)
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid 
>> bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still 
>> uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better. 
>>
>> Smitty
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Smitty - 
>>>
>>> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
>>> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
>>> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
>>> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
>>> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
>>> them. 
>>>
>>> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun 
>>> and functional.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 
 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with 
 a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. 
 It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I 
 waited 
 another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
 bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
 daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
 started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
 they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.

 We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
 it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
 should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
 first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
 in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
 imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of 

[RBW] Sizing Upon a Clem?

[james karlin]

Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of their 
complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty squarely in 
the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing 
up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just 
wondering if it'll be *good*, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems like 
a lot more bike than I'm used to! 

(I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a great 
road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, utility, and 
trail capability.)

Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[P W]

That looks like it would be an absolute blast to ride.Like a grown-up, swoopy, off-road BMX, or something. Have you taken it out on the trails yet? Looks like it would handle them well.P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Sep 13, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:Here is my close to final version of the ProtoGallop.  Knowing that the Roadini was going away for awhile I just could not pass up grabbing one in that fantastic Dark Gold color and now I am building that up to be my road focused bike. That resulted in me taking the Gallop in more of a gravel direction. Roadini for road, Gallop for trails and gravel, and lastly the Clem as the most fun to ride errand bike out there. I figured I would give the Ultradynamico tires another shot, this time in the lightest of their versions (Race) and the knobbier Rose. They really are just beautiful tires but they are not very supple even in the Race version and they are not fun to mount. I have high hopes for the ultimate ride quality though. I say "close to final" because I think in the end I am going to throw on a set of Rivendell's new V brakes when they are released. So here's the (now rare/out-dated/never to be released) swoopy top Proto Gallop v2On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 4:35:32 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:Abe, the clutch tension on the GRX derailleur is adjustable if you want to make the action at the lever a bit lighter. I've done this with a GRX with no evident compromise in performance. BTW - I'm running it with a 11-51 SLX 11 speed cassette with a 36 tooth 1x chainring.  Had to set the B screw almost to the max to clear the 51t cog, but have been pleasantly surprised to discover that it shifts just fine. On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 2:04 PM Pancake  wrote:Hi Jay, here's my take on the GRX RX-810 derailer - it solved all my shifting and hard pedaling problems though it's not rapid rise. On my Charlie I've used the Nexave RD-C600 Rapid rise and XT rapid rise derailers with this up to this point and they just skipped gears every time I pushed real hard with my 46/30 double and 11-40t cassette. This GRX RX810 is simply solid in comparison - I can't make it skip gears even if I try by pedaling hard as I can uphill while in too high a gear. I'm not sure if it's the clutch or a stronger spring (since it seems just as solid without the clutch switched on). I miss the rapid rise function, but solid shifting and pedaling were not possible for me with other derailers where 45t of chain wrap capacity is needed. The RX810 says it maxes out at 34t low on the cassette, but I'm running it on a 40t cassette with plenty of room to adjust the b-screw still. It also says it has max 40t wrap capacity but clearly can exceed that without issues. My Charlie has the following drivetrain setup:Rear derailer: RX810Front derailer: Shimano Claris double R2000 (IIRC on the model number - the one Will recommended in a Riv email at some point)Cassette: 11-40t 10 speed SunraceCrankset: IRD Compact 46/30t 172.5mm (like the IRD Defiant and VO double, but a variant from Boulder Bicycle that is cheaper)Shifters: Silver2 thumbies with the range limiting washer filed offWheels: SP PV-8 hub in front, VO casette silver hub in back; 32h, DT Swiss Competition double butted spokes, VO Voyager rims, Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass (44x700) endurance tires.The only down side I can think of is that I need to push a bit harder with my fingers when shifting - maybe I could back the d-ring screw out a little and solve this, but without a drop of blue loctite I figure a little extra tightness is fine. There is not much extra range on the shifter but it has enough so there's extra on both the high and low sides of the cassette. Abe



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Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Frakern]

I had the Yepp Mini on the front of my Cheviot from when my son was around 
1 year to 2.5 years old and even with albatross bars on it with bar end 
shifters I didn't have a problem with legs or steering.



On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 11:05:10 PM UTC+9 pbsm...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Kushan - that's right no room for my legs or knees! My flat bar hybrid 
> bike provides the most clearance given it's long top tube but it was still 
> uncomfortable. Mountain bikes with very long top tubes may do better. 
>
> Smitty
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 12:26:40 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Smitty - 
>>
>> May I ask what didn't work about the front seat set up? Was it leg 
>> clearance for yourself? Being able to steer (as someone else pointed out 
>> earlier). The set up videos of these seats make it look so easy to set up 
>> and ride, so I am wondering if there is something specific (like size of 
>> frame, presence of horizontal top tub etc) that makes it difficult to use 
>> them. 
>>
>> I haven't spent much time on a bakfiet/cargo bike but they look so fun 
>> and functional.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not too much to add other than I tried a front mounted seat at about 
>>> 9-10 months given that my kid was strong enough to hold their head up with 
>>> a helmet. The top tube + baby seat wasn't functional on any of my 3 bikes. 
>>> It didn't matter either way because the kid hated the bike helmet. I waited 
>>> another 4 or 5 months till the next spring and went with a rear mounted 
>>> bike seat, which the kid enjoyed. Been doing daily 9 mile round trip 
>>> daycare pick-ups and here is a photo of the very last one before they 
>>> started pre-school. Also just took them in for their 3 year check up and 
>>> they are now 40 pounds, right at the weight limit for the Yepp Maxi seat.
>>>
>>> We have a 2nd due in January and I'm trying to figure out if it's worth 
>>> it to get a box bike and adapt it to hold a baby in a car seat or if I 
>>> should just give up on my dreams of getting the baby on the bike for the 
>>> first year. DC is about to pass a $1000 rebate for cargo e-bikes purchased 
>>> in the city so I've been eying my choice of future baby hauling machine. I 
>>> imagine I'll wind up with a long tail but I need to do a lot of test rides 
>>> first.
>>>
>>> Smitty in DC
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:08:49 AM UTC-4 Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>>>
 I've had my little dude on the back of the bike since he was 1. He 
 loves it. First I used my Sam but now I use my Karate Monkey. Its better 
 for the job.

 On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-4 
 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:

> Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very 
> conservative but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they 
> grew 
> out of it the trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
> it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great 
> grandchildren
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> on behalf of Ted W 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes 
>  
> > We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides
>
> Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with 
> these and it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a 
> cargo 
> bike but I’m worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. 
> I 
> already have trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I 
> ride it to work.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>- I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I 
>would highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley 
> Bee.  
>The trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect 
> the 
>bikes handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 
> 3 
>playground tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.  
>   
>The biggest advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it 
>gave.  The mesh gover protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover 
> from 
>cold and rain.  We went out in all weather, including out in the snow 
> with 
>studded tires.
>- We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, 
>as it's less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we 
> get 
>there".  The back deck is better for standing up and surfing on 
> though.  I 
>have installed 

Re: [RBW] FS: Assorted stuff; Nitto, VO, Baggins, Brooks, etc!

[Brian Turner]

After a flurry of activity from these items last night, here's what remains 
(click below for photos):
PHOTOS HERE 

*Nitto M18 front rack - $80*
A well-loved little rack, but it's in great shape. Stays are a bit chewed 
up. Diving board & stays included.

*Soma Champs Elysees stainless front rack - $80*
Comes with additional hardware and diving board.
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/18575-soma-rack-champs-
elysees-stainless-front-3496?category=704#attr=

*Salsa Cowchipper Deluxe gravel drop bars 46cm - $50*
31.8 clamp dia.
https://www.salsacycles.com/gear/cowchipper_deluxe

*Velo Orange 1-1/8 threadless stem, 90mm, 15 deg +/-, 25.4 clamp - $10*

*King Cage (standard), with robin's egg blue Cerakote coating - $25*
Purchased from Analog, lightly used.
*the liter cage next to it in the photo has been spoken for

*Brooks Cambium C17 carved Chris King limited edition - $100*
Dark grey with turquoise rivets. Very clean. Purchased from a member here.

Thanks!
Brian

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Julian Westerhout]

The 60 cm SimpleOne in AZ  is being offered by the seller on Craigslist as 
a frame/fork/bb/headset for $500 -- that is indeed a good deal. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:15:15 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Great deal on a 60 SimpleOne in AZ:
>
> [image: 00c0c_iUm87mppNAd_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Rivendell - SimplOne frame 60cm - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale - 
> craigslist 
> 
> tucson.craigslist.org 
> 
>
> 
>  
>
> Tempted but too many bikes, too little time.
>
> Hope someone here gets it
>
> Max
>
> On Aug 27, 2023, at 9:21 PM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
> 
> CUSTOM
> 60cm
> 2500
> Belmont, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/belmont-rivendell-custom-beautiful-60cm/7658939306.html
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Re: [RBW] Looking For: dia compe 610s?

[Ron Cramer]

I have a pair. $30/ea + shipping?

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023, 8:24 PM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> Thinking i'd like to try center pulls out on my next build. Anyone have a
> set they'd be interested in letting go?
>
> I don't have any of the necessary accoutrements either, front and rear
> cable hangers.
>
> Thanks in advance
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Max Faingezicht]

Great deal on a 60 SimpleOne in AZ:Rivendell - SimplOne frame 60cm - bicycle parts - by owner - bike sale - craigslisttucson.craigslist.org Tempted but too many bikes, too little time.Hope someone here gets itMaxOn Aug 27, 2023, at 9:21 PM, Matthew Williams  wrote:CUSTOM60cm2500Belmont, CAhttps://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/belmont-rivendell-custom-beautiful-60cm/7658939306.html



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