[RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Adam Moss]

Their floor pump is awesome!

Best,
Adam 

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and would 
> recommend...
>
> Thank you
> peter
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[RBW] Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Peter Fray]

Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and would 
recommend...

Thank you
peter

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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Michael Morrissey]

Hi Vincent,

That Clem is beautiful, but your shifting issue sounds frustrating. Are you 
running a 9-speed cassette in the back? I had the indexing Sunrace thumbie 
on my Rivendell and performance felt just ok. My vintage Suntour thumb 
shifters from 1983 were better, and now I have a Riv silver thumbie on and 
it's also better. I suggest you buy one Riv silver thumbie and try that 
out. I clearly remember the PDF saying the stock shifters clicked but did 
not index. 

Also, consider that the Altus rear derailleur is a $13 part. Maybe it's 
just not up for your rough rides on the train tracks? I have a silver 
thumbie with the SRAM GX 10 speed rear derailleur shifting a 9-speed 
cassette, and it works perfectly. I highly recommend it. It has a clutch on 
it so you can forget about chain slap and dropped chains. It's available 
for nice prices because the trend in mountain bikes is now 12 speeds. (A 
matching 10 speed click shifter is also available for cheap, but I haven't 
tried it.)

I also have a narrow-wide chainring on the front. Perhaps you should 
consider one. How often are you using the biggest chainring? For me it's 
never (I took it off) because live in a city and commute so I rarely get up 
to speed for longer than 4 minutes. Are you regularly cruising above 15 
MPH? If not, go lower with your gearing. Wolf-Tooth and Stridsland both 
have excellent narrow-wide chainrings that will fit your cranks. Fewer 
moving parts is a nice thing for your bike. 

I hope this helps. Happy riding. 

Michael 


On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
> complete Clem.
>
> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
> force on the first two gears.
>
> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>
> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>
> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they have 
> some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide with 
> a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on my 
> part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
> stripped cogs. 
>
> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want to 
> but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
> situation? Thank you!
>
> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
> shifter.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: The Queen's Ransom (Sort of)

[Diana H]

I love the Sonoran desert! Can't wait to move back. Thanks for the great 
pictures. How did you attach them to your message? When I tried I got 
nonstop errors saying my message was too large.

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:43:17 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> [image: IMG_0444.jpeg]
>
> In mid-February my friend and I put our skis away for a couple of weeks 
> and headed to the Sonoran desert for a roll through that beautiful 
> landscape. Weeks of rain preceding our trip left a carpet of green through 
> which ribbons of desert singletrack twisted, climbed, and dipped beneath 
> red stone mountains and narrow canyons. 
>
> [image: IMG_0427.jpeg]
>
> The cacti were fat and happy while they waited for days long and warm 
> enough to bring on a spectacular bloom this Spring. Cold, starry nights 
> made for perfect camping, and riding beneath a toasty sun thawed the 
> morning chill. 
>
> [image: IMG_2736.jpeg]
>
> We planned to ride a mash-up of The Queen's Ransom 
>  and The Gila River Ramble  
> hoping 
> to forgo the trek to Florence and the Southeastern suburbs of the Phoenix 
> metroplex. Instead, we would meander the looping trails and canyons between 
> the Superstition Mountains and the Gila River. 
>
> [image: IMG_2776.jpeg]
>
> TQR Creator John Schilling suggests between four and six days to ride the 
> route, so we figured eight days would give us plenty of time to roll 
> casually through the Sonoran and take in the incredible beauty of this 
> place. What we didn't take into account was that the price of admission to 
> this breathtaking landscape was steep- literally and figuratively. It was 
> only half way through the first day when I began to realize that 
> Schilling's estimate surely applied to riders 20 years younger on bikes 20 
> pounds lighter and, perhaps, a 100% more eager to let ‘er rip.
>
> [image: IMG_0442 (1).jpeg]
>
> Instead, as is always the case when my buddy and I team up, we rode, 
> pushed, suffered, and savored at a ‘my contact lens is around here 
> somewhere’ pace. Though we certainly enjoy speedy descents on single track 
> or fire roads, the Sonoran is a biome bursting with life and invites a more 
> intentional approach. 
>
> [image: IMG_2743.jpeg]
>
> Our eight days cruising on bikes included plenty of time out of the saddle 
> to kick stones and poke around in the plants that were, in fact, so eager 
> to poke us. Our days alternated between riding sweet single track or 
> pleasant gravel roads and pushing bikes up narrow, rocky outcroppings. It 
> was a challenging ride that left us ready to roll out our sleeping bags 
> each evening. 
>
> [image: IMG_0436.jpeg]
>
> About an hour or so before sunset we’d begin to scope out a place to camp- 
> a patch of grass among the saguaros or a grassy slope beneath the soaring 
> walls of a canyon. Each evening we made sure there was plenty of time to 
> enjoy the sublime Arizona sunsets with a mug of tea in hand.
>
> [image: IMG_2719.jpeg]
>
> Highlights of this ride include twice riding through Arnette Canyon where 
> the flowing Arnette creek provided opportunities to cool off in fresh, 
> clear water. Adjacent to this was Telegraph Canyon where we spent most of a 
> day hiking along the Telegraph Creek spotting golden eagles. Riding the 
> Arizona trail south from Picketpost Mountain was fast and fun, and our 
> final day of riding brought us back to the Usury mountain trails in Mesa 
> where we looped round and round on hardback sand dodging saguaros and 
> chollos until sunset.
>
> [image: IMG_2813.jpeg]
>
> Schilling's 'Queen's Ransom' has pieced together a marvelous, challenging 
> ride through gorgeous country. We never did make it to the Gila river, but 
> compared to what we did ride and see this hardly matters. There’s plenty of 
> beautiful touring to be done out in the Sonoran, so if we have to go back 
> next winter to see the Gila, then so be it.
>
> [image: IMG_2822.jpeg]
>
> Here’s a link to 6 days of the ride on GaiaGPS 
>  with some 
> photos.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Wesley]

Sounds like an issue my wife had about a year ago. We tried a lot of random 
ideas, like snugging up the cassette lockring (on the theory that the cogs 
were loose and wobbling a bit). In the end, a new chain made the shifting 
work perfectly again. Good luck.
-Wes

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
> complete Clem.
>
> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
> force on the first two gears.
>
> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>
> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>
> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they have 
> some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide with 
> a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on my 
> part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
> stripped cogs. 
>
> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want to 
> but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
> situation? Thank you!
>
> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
> shifter.jpg]
>

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[RBW] FS: Waterford Built Atlantis (58cm) Frameset & Various Parts

[Erik from Saint Paul]

Had this frame listed last summer, buyer backed out due to unforeseen life 
expenses, so I packed it away. It's now back up for sale just in time for 
anyone with a tax refund burning a hole in their pocket to build up their 
dream bike. 

Rivendell Atlantis built by Waterford in 2018.
Size: 58cm
Color: British racing green
Headset: Chris King (included)
Seatpost: Kalloy Uno - 26.8mm (included)
Wheel size: 700c - 135mm rear spacing
Frame is in really good shape overall, but there are a few cosmetic 
blemishes like minor scratches, some paint peeling around fender and rack 
bosses, and a slight paint bulge where the front derailleur was mounted. No 
dents, rust or any structural issues. Brake cable hangers are pictured, but 
not included.

$1,600 for local sale (Minneapolis/St Paul).
Willing to ship via Bikeflights for an additional cost to buyer.

I also have a wheelset I can include in the sale for an extra $100. 
Velocity Dyad rims laced to Shimano LX hubs with Surly Knard tires. (Not 
looking to sell/ship unless it's with the frame).

Other parts for sale:
* Nitto Technomic stem (26.0mm clamp, 120mm long): $20
* Velo Orange 46/30 crankset (170mm): $100
* Tektro Oryx cantilever brakes: $20
Shipping costs are additional and determined on your location.

Photos 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

[NYCbikeguy]

That's the CLEANEST XO-1 I've ever seen! Not even a scratch on the paint!
What a treat!

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 3:28:24 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: XO-my Reddit pic .jpg]Not sure if Im the sole outlier here - but 
> I rather enjoy the XO-1’s steeper road geometry. I spent years racing BMX, 
> as well as, CX making technical singletrack sessions on my XO-1 so much 
> fun. I also love the playful nature of 26”  wheels - not to mention the 
> improved cornering and acceleration. 
>
>
> That said, I would love to get my hands on an Atlantis/Toyo as my passion 
> for touring is growing with each day.
>
> On Thursday 14 March 2024 at 11:25:55 UTC-7 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>
>> So maybe a third  and fourth cable adjuster mid run along the top tube
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
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>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Brian Turner 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:06:43 AM
>>
>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment 
>>  
>> I feel ya on that one, Bernard. I too have a couple of wheelsets for my 
>> 26" Atlantis and there's two different sets of tires I enjoy running on 
>> that bike. Rims are different widths of course so it's a question of, which 
>> is the least amount of hassle: swapping out tires on the one wheelset, or 
>> swapping wheels and readjusting the brakes each time? My other issue is 
>> that one wheelset is built up with a dyno hub and the other isn't, so I 
>> have to find a way to secure the light wiring if I'm not using the dyno hub 
>> set. AGH! I'm not at the point yet where I want to spring for an additional 
>> matching wheelset, though!
>>
>> Brian
>> Lexington KY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks "Brick Lane" panniers, VG, black, $115 + shipping

[Patrick Moore]

I should add this: 13.8 wide X 4.7 "thick" X 14.2 high in American Freedom
Units or 360 mm wide X 120 mm "thick" X 360 mm.

https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/brick-lane-pannier.html

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 2:47 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 30 liters capacity, black, heavy, very sturdy cotton canvas, lined, very
> little used, only signs of use some dust and the 1/4-height coroplast
> stiffeners I riveted in. They hold a surprising amount for their nominal
> size.
>
> The panniers are joined and drape over the rack to which they attach via
> leather straps on the underside of the joining fabric. Leather straps close
> the flaps and there are interior compartment straps to help hold loads
> together.
>
> These work better with some racks instead of others. With my somewhat
> minimalist rack, the trailing bottom edges would brush the spokes when the
> bags were heavily loaded so I riveted in 1/4-height coroplast stiffeners. 
> *Note
> that the stiffeners prevent the bags from being rolled up; see photo.* That
> didn't bother me but you should be aware of this.
>
> My loss is your gain. I traded a nice Rivendell Sackville Medium saddlebag
> for these, and they're very nice, but with my rack the heels of my size 10s
> occasionally flick the forward edges as I pedal when the bags are loaded.
>
> $115 plus actual shipping cost, *net to me, please.*
>
> Please reply offlist.
>
> Thanks, Patrick Moore
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Revisiting the Nitto 52f Basket Rack

[Jason Fuller]

I think the front end will feel a little less unwieldy with the smaller 
wheels, even if the technical wheel flop doesn't reflect this. but if it's 
a concern, my vote is to sell the rack and buy something that is only as 
big and heavy as you need it to be!  The Simworks Obento is a wonderful 
option, beautiful and perfect platform size for a 137 basket. 

On Thursday 14 March 2024 at 09:50:33 UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Like this - includes the optional (free) extension:
> [image: Steerstoppers.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 11:40:40 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Julian,
>> The Steerstomper, a very interesting piece of ingenuity. However, you 
>> mention that you have a Clem that you use this Steerstomper. Do you own a 
>> Clem "H" and not a "L" CLem ?  I fall short of how the Steerstomper would 
>> work on a Clem "L" frame.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> Leah, 
>>
>> Assuming that the issue is wheel flop when parking or loading the bike, 
>> consider the Steerstopper. https://steerstopper.com   Not cheap, but 
>> works great for its intended purpose. I have one on my Clem with a large 
>> front basket (used for commuting and everyday riding) and we have one on 
>> our Bilenky touring tandem. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 11:39:30 AM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>
>> Aesthetically meh but how about a wheel stabilizer such as:
>> [image: dropped_out_86a3211e-bc6d-4631-8d90-bb7f4587c17e.JPG]
>> Wheel Stabilizer 
>> velo-orange.com 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2024, at 09:34, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>> Hi Friends,
>>
>> I’ve had a Nitto Basket Rack from Rivendell for a few years. I think it 
>> looks awesome, it’s dead useful, but it annoyed me that it was heavy and 
>> made my bars swing around on my mermaid Platy. But as I plan the build for 
>> my 50 cm purple Platy (which is taking a million years) I am considering 
>> putting the basket rack back into service. It pains me to see it sitting, 
>> and it’s so pretty and unique that I just want to give it another try. 
>> Maybe the 650b wheels will be less floppy with this rack? Maybe the 
>> smaller, lighter bike won’t seem as penalized by the heft of this rack? It 
>> would be such an easy experiment if it wasn’t for the dyno light/wiring 
>> that is affected by the decision. It’s not a matter of simply pulling the 
>> rack, because wire length, light mount, etc are affected and will not be an 
>> easy switch. My shop hates soldering and I certainly can’t do it. 
>>
>> I had started a thread long ago about this and a lot of people reported 
>> similar experiences. Now that some more years have gone by, I’m curious if 
>> opinions have changed, or if more people have these racks and would offer 
>> their opinions. There isn’t much in the way of reviews to read online. 
>> Maybe some here would offer theirs. If more folks are trying and loving 
>> their Nitto Basket Racks, I’ll be likely to install mine. 
>>
>> Meanwhile, this beautiful Platypus sits in my living room on the shelf, 
>> waiting for its parts to return from the anodizer. And, there’s fresh snow 
>> on the ground. But talking bikes will get me through!
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

[NYCbikeguy]

I feel like there can be some convenient use of da vinchi splitters on the 
segments where the cable is exposed. Not sure how practical it will be, but 
I usually undo the cable splitters on my coupled bikes to take my wheel on 
and off, instead of tweaking with brakes and tire pressure. 

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 2:25:55 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> So maybe a third  and fourth cable adjuster mid run along the top tube
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Brian Turner 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:06:43 AM
>
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment 
>  
> I feel ya on that one, Bernard. I too have a couple of wheelsets for my 
> 26" Atlantis and there's two different sets of tires I enjoy running on 
> that bike. Rims are different widths of course so it's a question of, which 
> is the least amount of hassle: swapping out tires on the one wheelset, or 
> swapping wheels and readjusting the brakes each time? My other issue is 
> that one wheelset is built up with a dyno hub and the other isn't, so I 
> have to find a way to secure the light wiring if I'm not using the dyno hub 
> set. AGH! I'm not at the point yet where I want to spring for an additional 
> matching wheelset, though!
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

[Bernard Duhon]

So maybe a third  and fourth cable adjuster mid run along the top tube

Get Outlook for iOS

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Brian Turner 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:06:43 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

I feel ya on that one, Bernard. I too have a couple of wheelsets for my 26" 
Atlantis and there's two different sets of tires I enjoy running on that bike. 
Rims are different widths of course so it's a question of, which is the least 
amount of hassle: swapping out tires on the one wheelset, or swapping wheels 
and readjusting the brakes each time? My other issue is that one wheelset is 
built up with a dyno hub and the other isn't, so I have to find a way to secure 
the light wiring if I'm not using the dyno hub set. AGH! I'm not at the point 
yet where I want to spring for an additional matching wheelset, though!

Brian
Lexington KY


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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Bill Schairer]

I'd have someone check the derailleur hanger adjustment.

How many miles are you getting on each cassette?  How about chains?  
Smallest cogs will wear the fastest.  If you are riding a lot on the big 
ring and the smallest cogs, maybe get a bigger big ring that will put your 
usual pedaling in the middle of the cassette?

Bill S
San Diego

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> Thank you guys. The suntour shifters don't bug me so much as I may have 
> made it out in the initial post. I was just not sure if they were causing 
> this wear on the rear cassette or not. I only have a double crank and 
> rarely cross chain. Usually I'm on the largest toothed chainring on the 
> front which aligns with the smaller two on the rear. However there may have 
> been an instance recently where I cross chained that did the damage. I'll 
> have to take a closer look but this info helps. Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:41:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Vinvent, the Sunrace shifters ratcheting is there only as part of the 
>> tension holding friction mechanism. It was in use well before indexed came 
>> to be in use. That indexed shifters happen to click once per shift change 
>> in unrelated to the ratcheting clicks of the friction variety. I've not 
>> used those shifters in particular, I've only used Sun Tour Power ratchets 
>> and other pure friction shifters. My best "advice" for those Sunrace 
>> shifters is to forget about the clicks altogther as *they are not 
>> designed for one click per gear shift.* Just adjust the lever by feel 
>> and sound of the cogs. If you've never used friction shifters before this I 
>> can see how the clicking may appear confusing if mistaking the friction 
>> ratcheting sound with indexing clicks, but they're two distinctly different 
>> mechanisms. Some readers here have ended up replacing those particular 
>> Sunrace shifters with a more normal ratcheting friction shifters on the 
>> outside, like the Riv Silver or Microshift or vintage Sun Tour. 
>>
>> The grinding and wear of the two smallest cogs appears from varying 
>> angles of the chain as you use a given ring with a given cog. It's called 
>> "cross-chaining". For example, riding in the smallest ring of triple crank 
>> like yours and the smallest cogs of the cassette is asking the chain to 
>> flex laterally to angles past their limits of efficiency. Even the middle 
>> ring and smallest two cogs has a fair amount of friction from the angles, 
>> depending on the chainline(how far the center-rings are from the center of 
>> the seat tube). Hence, you'll hear and feel what you describe and will wear 
>> the cogs down faster than usual if consistently ridden that way. 
>>
>> Here's cross-chaing explained : 
>> https://wickwerks.com/support/crosschaining/
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>>> complete Clem.
>>>
>>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>>> force on the first two gears.
>>>
>>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due 
>>> to the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>>
>>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>>
>>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>>> stripped cogs. 
>>>
>>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>>> situation? Thank you!
>>>
>>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: shifter.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Vincent Tamer]

Thank you guys. The suntour shifters don't bug me so much as I may have 
made it out in the initial post. I was just not sure if they were causing 
this wear on the rear cassette or not. I only have a double crank and 
rarely cross chain. Usually I'm on the largest toothed chainring on the 
front which aligns with the smaller two on the rear. However there may have 
been an instance recently where I cross chained that did the damage. I'll 
have to take a closer look but this info helps. Thanks!

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 1:41:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Vinvent, the Sunrace shifters ratcheting is there only as part of the 
> tension holding friction mechanism. It was in use well before indexed came 
> to be in use. That indexed shifters happen to click once per shift change 
> in unrelated to the ratcheting clicks of the friction variety. I've not 
> used those shifters in particular, I've only used Sun Tour Power ratchets 
> and other pure friction shifters. My best "advice" for those Sunrace 
> shifters is to forget about the clicks altogther as *they are not 
> designed for one click per gear shift.* Just adjust the lever by feel and 
> sound of the cogs. If you've never used friction shifters before this I can 
> see how the clicking may appear confusing if mistaking the friction 
> ratcheting sound with indexing clicks, but they're two distinctly different 
> mechanisms. Some readers here have ended up replacing those particular 
> Sunrace shifters with a more normal ratcheting friction shifters on the 
> outside, like the Riv Silver or Microshift or vintage Sun Tour. 
>
> The grinding and wear of the two smallest cogs appears from varying angles 
> of the chain as you use a given ring with a given cog. It's called 
> "cross-chaining". For example, riding in the smallest ring of triple crank 
> like yours and the smallest cogs of the cassette is asking the chain to 
> flex laterally to angles past their limits of efficiency. Even the middle 
> ring and smallest two cogs has a fair amount of friction from the angles, 
> depending on the chainline(how far the center-rings are from the center of 
> the seat tube). Hence, you'll hear and feel what you describe and will wear 
> the cogs down faster than usual if consistently ridden that way. 
>
> Here's cross-chaing explained : 
> https://wickwerks.com/support/crosschaining/
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>> complete Clem.
>>
>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>> force on the first two gears.
>>
>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
>> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>
>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>
>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>> stripped cogs. 
>>
>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>> situation? Thank you!
>>
>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
>> shifter.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

[Brian Turner]

I feel ya on that one, Bernard. I too have a couple of wheelsets for my 26" 
Atlantis and there's two different sets of tires I enjoy running on that 
bike. Rims are different widths of course so it's a question of, which is 
the least amount of hassle: swapping out tires on the one wheelset, or 
swapping wheels and readjusting the brakes each time? My other issue is 
that one wheelset is built up with a dyno hub and the other isn't, so I 
have to find a way to secure the light wiring if I'm not using the dyno hub 
set. AGH! I'm not at the point yet where I want to spring for an additional 
matching wheelset, though!

Brian
Lexington KY

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud Aspin Cork Saddle

[Josh C]

Sold 

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 10:31:12 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> $150 shipped from Indianapolis. Maybe 100 miles on it. Beautiful saddle, 
> but not for me. [image: IMG_1172 Large.jpeg][image: IMG_1173 
> Large.jpeg][image: 
> IMG_1171 Large.jpeg]

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[John Johnson]

A quickbeam 
and
 
a (not a riv, but what I would guess is an early) nobilette 
frame
 
from the same seller on Ebay

john
On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 12:36:29 AM UTC+1 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:

> 47cm upright Homer Hilson spotted on Craigslist here in the DC/Northern 
> Virginia area.  (Not mine, other disclaimers, etc.!)
>
>
> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>
> Liz
> Washington, DC
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Haha.  $700 would be a very good deal.  
>>
>> I'm intrigued by. his front rack.  I have two copies of that rack and 
>> mine don't have a fender attachment point.  That spot is pretty important 
>> for a full coverage metal fender setup.  I may throw him an offer for only 
>> the racks, and see what happens.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe an accidental extra zero /  a misplaced decimal point???
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
 this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through the 
> roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto racks, 
 and full Campagnolo...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Johnny Alien]

I'm not sure I would agree that they "force indexing". I've used them on my 
Clem for awhile now and while its weird it works with no issues. At least I 
personally have not had issues and it sounds like Grant has been issue free 
with more miles than me.

I do agree that Riv's details do make it more confusing then it needs to 
be. Ignore the clicks would be a much better description. My tech even kept 
telling me how weird the index shifters were. I was like...they are 
friction not index and he was like...no those index. :)

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 5:05:28 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Additionally, if you're riding in the small/inner ring and smallest 2-3 
> cogs, don't !  Even the middle isn't optimal with a 11t/12t/13t, but 
> without an outer ring, you have no other option. 
>
> Yeah I do remember when those Sunrace came out the confusing description 
> of them, and it's still clear as mud on the Riv website. If I could feel 
> the mechanism I'd understand where they're coming from, but I'm not buying 
> any to find out ! They could have just said "the clicks are not be 
> associated with a given gear shift". Or was it the shifters even had 
> indentations in the mechanism, making the necessary minute adjustments 
> frustrating ? (for users like Joe or others who have used them ). 
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:42:10 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Those SunRace shifters force indexing that doesn't line up with all the 
>> cogs. Technically you can trim them to work as a friction shifter but it'll 
>> drive you crazy, you need Silver thumbies. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>>
>>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>>> complete Clem.
>>>
>>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>>> force on the first two gears.
>>>
>>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due 
>>> to the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>>
>>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>>
>>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>>> stripped cogs. 
>>>
>>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>>> situation? Thank you!
>>>
>>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: shifter.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Major v brake adjustment

[Bernard Duhon]

The wheels on the Waterford pict were purchased from Nashbar during a clearance 
for $150.00 w/ shipping a long time ago.  I use them to bomb around town etc & 
swap out to my Dt Swiss for touring.
For a while I felt bad about buying & riding em.  Now I am glad to be able to 
“save” my real touring 26” wheels for when I need em.
I only wish the 2 rims were the same width, I have to reset the cable when I 
switch them out.

I have adjusters at the lever & the Noodle.  Any suggestions for major brake 
adjustment

Bernard

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To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All 
Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:24:14 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even brake 
pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in keeping 
non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, strong, light and 
awesome wheel size.

The first wheelset I built myself has Riv prototype hubs (Velocity made? Maybe 
Bitex) laced to 26" ceramic Mavic rims and I didn't think I'd want to switch to 
26" disc wheels until I found myself trying to find ceramic brake pads for the 
v-brakes and paid a dumb amount for some.
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[RBW] Re: Roadini on F1 Track ride report

[Mike Packard]

Tom: Thanks. It's this one: 
https://crustbikes.com/collections/grips-bartape/products/serfas-woven-bar-tape?variant=39334814679130

John: Thanks. The track is about 3.36 miles to do the full loop. 

mike
On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:41:06 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> That's very cool, Mike. The promo video really captures how much fun it 
> must be to ride those 20 turns, and it looks like there are some good 
> swimmin' holes in which to cool off!  How long is the track? 
>
> Thanks for sharing. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 3:05:13 PM UTC-7 Tom M wrote:
>
>> Love the bar tape. Sounds like a good time.
>> Tom in Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> We have a Formula 1 track in Austin called Circuit of the Americas and 
>>> on many Tuesdays they have a bike night. Last night was the first one of 
>>> the season. 
>>>
>>> The track is about a 3.36 mile loop with 1 very steep (11%) uphill (and 
>>> corresponding steep downhill). The pavement is so smooth and free of 
>>> debris, in certain places it makes a satisfying sticky-grippy sound as the 
>>> tires roll. There is a bypass for the big hill if one does not want to do 
>>> it every lap.  
>>>
>>> Aside from the novelty of riding on an F1 race track, the really special 
>>> thing about it is it's just nice to ride somewhere without having a single 
>>> thought about cars or having to stop for any reason. There's so much space. 
>>> Everyone can ride at the pace they want. There are some really fun slight 
>>> descent sections that are a blast to pedal hard and get going really fast 
>>> under my own power (i.e. not just hill induced). Or just toodle around with 
>>> your legs outstretched singing out loud.
>>>
>>> I brought my 57 Roadini and had a lovely time. This time was neat 
>>> because my friend brought his 8-year-old twins who'd never been before. I 
>>> was impressed they did the big downhill (I wouldn't have been brave enough 
>>> at that age.)
>>>
>>> Definitely worth checking out if you're within striking range of Austin, 
>>> especially before it gets too hot.
>>>
>>> Mike 
>>>
>>> https://circuitoftheamericas.com/bike-night/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Garth]

Additionally, if you're riding in the small/inner ring and smallest 2-3 
cogs, don't !  Even the middle isn't optimal with a 11t/12t/13t, but 
without an outer ring, you have no other option. 

Yeah I do remember when those Sunrace came out the confusing description of 
them, and it's still clear as mud on the Riv website. If I could feel the 
mechanism I'd understand where they're coming from, but I'm not buying any 
to find out ! They could have just said "the clicks are not be associated 
with a given gear shift". Or was it the shifters even had indentations in 
the mechanism, making the necessary minute adjustments frustrating ? (for 
users like Joe or others who have used them ). 

On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 4:42:10 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Those SunRace shifters force indexing that doesn't line up with all the 
> cogs. Technically you can trim them to work as a friction shifter but it'll 
> drive you crazy, you need Silver thumbies. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
>> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
>> complete Clem.
>>
>> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
>> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
>> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
>> force on the first two gears.
>>
>> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
>> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
>> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>>
>> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
>> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
>> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>>
>> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they 
>> have some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide 
>> with a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on 
>> my part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
>> stripped cogs. 
>>
>> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want 
>> to but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
>> situation? Thank you!
>>
>> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
>> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
>> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
>> shifter.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Those SunRace shifters force indexing that doesn't line up with all the 
cogs. Technically you can trim them to work as a friction shifter but it'll 
drive you crazy, you need Silver thumbies. 

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-7 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
> complete Clem.
>
> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
> force on the first two gears.
>
> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>
> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>
> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they have 
> some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide with 
> a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on my 
> part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
> stripped cogs. 
>
> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want to 
> but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
> situation? Thank you!
>
> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
> shifter.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Friction Shifting Issues with my Old Clem

[Garth]

Vinvent, the Sunrace shifters ratcheting is there only as part of the 
tension holding friction mechanism. It was in use well before indexed came 
to be in use. That indexed shifters happen to click once per shift change 
in unrelated to the ratcheting clicks of the friction variety. I've not 
used those shifters in particular, I've only used Sun Tour Power ratchets 
and other pure friction shifters. My best "advice" for those Sunrace 
shifters is to forget about the clicks altogther as *they are not designed 
for one click per gear shift.* Just adjust the lever by feel and sound of 
the cogs. If you've never used friction shifters before this I can see how 
the clicking may appear confusing if mistaking the friction ratcheting 
sound with indexing clicks, but they're two distinctly different 
mechanisms. Some readers here have ended up replacing those particular 
Sunrace shifters with a more normal ratcheting friction shifters on the 
outside, like the Riv Silver or Microshift or vintage Sun Tour. 

The grinding and wear of the two smallest cogs appears from varying angles 
of the chain as you use a given ring with a given cog. It's called 
"cross-chaining". For example, riding in the smallest ring of triple crank 
like yours and the smallest cogs of the cassette is asking the chain to 
flex laterally to angles past their limits of efficiency. Even the middle 
ring and smallest two cogs has a fair amount of friction from the angles, 
depending on the chainline(how far the center-rings are from the center of 
the seat tube). Hence, you'll hear and feel what you describe and will wear 
the cogs down faster than usual if consistently ridden that way. 

Here's cross-chaing explained : https://wickwerks.com/support/crosschaining/
On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 11:40:52 PM UTC-4 Vincent Tamer wrote:

> I have an on going issue with my friction shifting setup on my 2016 
> complete Clem.
>
> I believe this will be my third cassette replacement now. Each time the 
> two smallest cogs are damaged/stripped for some reason, so that when I 
> pedal there is some crunching & ghost shifting. I cannot pedal with full 
> force on the first two gears.
>
> I’ve had issues with this since day one and I have a feeling it is due to 
> the 2016 complete clem’s shifting setup even though I’ve had it adjusted 
> and have explained to two different bike technicians.
>
> The shifter setup is odd, Riv even commented on how it was a little 
> strange in the Clem intro Pdf that was floating around for the longest time 
> (cannot find it now). I'm hoping someone knows what I'm talking about!
>
> These suntour shifters are set up in a reverse position and that they have 
> some kind of ratcheting mech in them. The clicks don’t always coincide with 
> a shift and maybe that has created some bad friction shifting form on my 
> part. Outside of that I’m at a loss for why I am having issues with 
> stripped cogs. 
>
> I’m considering switching to an indexed set up even though I don’t want to 
> but before I do, does any one have any wisdom they can shed on this 
> situation? Thank you!
>
> Pics are attached, of the whole bike (for fun) and of the shifter. I'll 
> grab some shots of the gears as well when I can.[image: 
> DSCF7718_sml.jpg][image: 
> shifter.jpg]
>

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