[videoblogging] Re: vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Moon
First off, I'm really excited about this years VBW. As I've mentioned
countless times before, I started vlogging the week after vloggingweek
2006.

As far as the theme goes, I personally will be doing the 7 vids in 7
days. I think that in itself will be challenge enough.

With that said, might I suggest a theme along the lines of education
and promotion of vlogging; SHOW  TELL. Show how vlogging has changed
for you or changed you. Tell others how easy it is or direct them to
freevlog.org or your favorite teaching site. Show them snippits from
other peoples vlogs. Spread the word, spread the love. I think there
are a few of us, me included, that could do a better job of promoting
our community, our vlogging community. 

The graphics look great for videobloggingweek2007, but whoever created
them, could we get the same graphics, but in video size? 320x240 (or
whatever) ;). I can resize, but too much gets cropped.

Woot! One week away.

Mike
http://vlog.mikemoon.net 

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think Josh means we've agreed on the tag, not the technoratti tag.
 
 Many others will be tracking videoblogging week too. :)
 
 The proper tag should be videobloggingweek2007 just as it was
 videobloggingweek2006 the year before, and videobloggingweek2005
 the year before that.
 
 As for theme's I do like the seven deadly sins for seven (deadly) days
 of videoblogging, but I also hope some people can come up with some
 more creative ideas.
 
 If I were to suggest a rally cry it would be God save the
 mainstream! as in mainstream media. A parody of god save the queen
 the most famous punk rock song ever.
 
 I hope this page helps. I've started adding links to past
 videoblogging week resources so you can look back at bast themes.
 There were some good blogs in 2005 and 2006 covering the blow by blow
 thanks to Steve G and others.
 
 http://videobloggingweek.pbwiki.com/
 
 Password is videobloggingweek2007. Please help edit.
 
 -Mike
 mefeedia.com
 mmeiser.com/blog
 
 On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for
  tracking our tags?
 
  -Devlon
 
 
 
  Josh Leo wrote:
   Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007
  
   I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it
helps
  other
   people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick
them. So far
   all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins
  
   we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out
some other
   details.
  
   so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
  
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: BikiniZero.com Tech News Bikini-Driven!

2007-03-25 Thread Jan McLaughlin
I'm takin' the power (and the money) back:

http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/2007/03/tee-o-day.html

Jan

On 3/24/07, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, I did my bit: http://www.beginningwithi.com/tech/barcamproma.html

 On 23 Mar 2007 18:09:51 -0700, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
That what I'm talking about! Fairness! Balance. Like I said, I'm
  willing to negotiate. The beefcake in question don't have to be 100%
  skivvy free.
 
  93.5% is good enough to start the conversation rolling.
 
  Thank you for seeing the humor and potential large and lucrative
  market opportunity of women folk who might not be into Pr0n but who
  would appreciate the aesthetics of a well developed yet intellectually
  sensual man who is properly exposed doing anything nice and slow.
 
  Or at least can stay up on the down stroke. To each his/her own. Peace
  and laughter,
 
  Gena
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
  filmanimationweb
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hi Gena
   I wanted to re-dress your statements to make sure I understand the
   bared meaning of your suggestiveness: I take it under my belt that you
   would support the erection, by me, of a site to do with somewhat nude
   - or, who are we kidding, quite nudaceous - beefcakes, delivering
   their daily events in the form of of a beefcakey, newsy-type tech
  showing?
   If that's the case, I wanted to satisfy you, that we are indeed
   working ourselves up to such a fever; when bikinizero opens up into
   having better legs under itself, we most definitely have the plan to
   emit forth another show, called 'BeefcakeNews.com'; Our huge handling
   of the bikini news must of course come first, as we are men and must
   follow our prime instinctuals, and by that I mean doing women first in
   bikinis, and after that we of course can fit in a man to deliver.
   Just messing with you :)
   We do in fact have plans to do a show called Beefcake news; we
   need a few months of getting BikiniZero established and solid, and
   then we can do one for the ladies! Thanks for your comments, you are
   funny enough to be a BZ writer!
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
  Gena compumavengal@ wrote:
   
Hey Jan, I don't want men in a bikini. I want the men folk naked!
 And
when they have to demo a product I want men to wiggle in front of
 the
camera just like the women folk seem to do.
   
I don't object to the show. They certainly put a lot of time and
effort into it. I just want parity. I want a dude with the muscally
muscles to talk to me about the advantages of high speed SD cards. I
want discussions about hard drives to go in a whole new direction.
   
Oh, if he's got some meat on his thighs that's alright with me. And
 if
he is a bear or bare with the hair I don't care. Fair is fair. When
they make a point there should be a point that is visible to all.
   
Now I am willing to be flexible. If they can find the right skimmy
skimp for the guys to wear that would be acceptable. Stay away from
plaid tho. It don't do it for me. I'd actually have to concentrate
 on
what he was talking about.
   
So if the folks at BikiniZero can see a way to be more gender
inclusive, I will certainly do my part to spread the word.
   
Gena
http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
http://pcclibtech.blogspot.com
   
   
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
  Jan McLaughlin
jannie.jan@ wrote:

 Don't f'in' get me started.

 Aw crap. Here it comes...

 The lesson: women must take better / more directed advantage of
silly men.
 They are totally at our mercy.

 What is it we women really want?

 Why don't more women create these shows and make $ off 'em? I know
there's a
 reason. Can it be a good reason?

 Jan

 On 3/23/07, Adam Quirk, Wreck  Salvage quirk@ wrote:
 
  Thank you Taylor.
 
  On 3/23/07, filmanimationweb 24pfilms@ wrote:
  
   Hey Adam,
   I wanted to say we (BikiniZero) really like your show, great
   writing...wanted to bid on your first run of ads, but I needed
to feed
   the crew ;) I think Drew won?
  
   Taylor Moore
   www.bikinizero.com
  
  
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
  Adam Quirk, Wreck 
   Salvage
   quirk@ wrote:
   
I would subscribe if there was more penetration.
   
On 3/22/07, filmanimationweb 24pfilms@ wrote:

 Hi Gang,
 Just wanted to post the link to our first episode of our
weekly tech
 show. We also have a contest for the best tech story of
 the
month,
  so
 enter to win a video ipod..
 In addition to flash and QT we are using a cool full
 screen,
high
 quality video 

[videoblogging] Re: vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Moon
As a follow-up, I've added 320x240 versions off Josh's VBW logo on the
Wiki. Also a smaller 200x one.

I'll go now... I feel a vlog about to exit one of my oraphis.

Mike


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The graphics look great for videobloggingweek2007, but whoever created
 them, could we get the same graphics, but in video size? 320x240 (or
 whatever) ;). I can resize, but too much gets cropped.
 
 Woot! One week away.
 
 Mike
 http://vlog.mikemoon.net 
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
 groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
  http://videobloggingweek.pbwiki.com/
  
  Password is videobloggingweek2007. Please help edit.




[videoblogging] Re: Local TV Covers my Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread Bill Streeter
I think I got some traffic out of it but it's hard to track because
they didn't actually link back to my vlog. Which was an oversight on
the part of the web management people according to the reporter who
did the piece--and they still haven't fixed it yet. It would have been
nice to see it linked when the story was actually posted--especially
since the anchor said on air that it would be linked after the story
ran... morons.

Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
www.billstreeter.net

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow, just wow.
 
 First, Congrats again bill!
 
 I wonder if you'll get more local viewers out of it?
 
 Second... flash... not windows media player, not real player... I can
 actually play it in my browser. Wow, we've come a long way in the last
 two years. Now all they need is some sharing features like source and
 a downloadable mp4 in their RSS feed so I can revlog it.
 
 Third... wow again... it's actually not BAD... in fact I don't want to
 go crazy but it's maybe even a good representation of vlogging.
 
 BTW, what was with the washed out colors... that was just weird...
 it's like the hole thing was digitized by putting a camera on the TV
 screen. The macintosh video was completely white. :)
 
 Finally, that hillary clinton video... I still haven't seen it... but
 what's funny is that WASN'T just some vlogger... it was created and
 then leaked by a PR guy at a major political PR firm that does work
 for Obama among others.  It's a complete misrepresentation of
 vlogging, but I just think it's funny. Mainstream media goes out to
 report on vlogging and ends up reporting on their own echo chamber.
 Are we even here?
 
 -Mike
 mmeiser.com/blog
 mefeedia.com
 
 On 3/24/07, Richard (Show) Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bill,
 
  This is really a nice news piece.
 
  Congratulations, and good luck with your bungalow
 
  ... Richard
 
  On 23 Mar 2007 05:02:47 -0700, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Our local Fox afiliate did a story about my vlog and vlogging in
   general last night. It's online now you can see it here:
   http://tinyurl.com/yvwjhw
  
   Bill Streeter
   LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
   www.lofistl.com
   www.billstreeter.net
  
  
  
 
 
 
  --
  Richard
  http://richardhhall.org
  Shows
  http://richardshow.org
  http://inspiredhealing.tv
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Jan McLaughlin
I put some files up -


   - video - interview with McDonalds pianist / composer Andrew Shapiro
   - Adam Quirk plays journalist
   - ECU's of fruit being cut up
   - audio interview with Andrew Shapiro
   - some of Andrew's music

I've a place for this interview to play that will get some eyes.

C'mon - come play 'Production Company' with people you respect.

Better than chess.

Jan

P.S. I stole the VBW logo from Verdi I think :)

On 3/25/07, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As a follow-up, I've added 320x240 versions off Josh's VBW logo on the
 Wiki. Also a smaller 200x one.

 I'll go now... I feel a vlog about to exit one of my oraphis.

 Mike


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The graphics look great for videobloggingweek2007, but whoever created
  them, could we get the same graphics, but in video size? 320x240 (or
  whatever) ;). I can resize, but too much gets cropped.
 
  Woot! One week away.
 
  Mike
  http://vlog.mikemoon.net
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
  groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
   http://videobloggingweek.pbwiki.com/
  
   Password is videobloggingweek2007. Please help edit.





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[videoblogging] Re: Local TV Covers my Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Moon
I sent a comment to the Fox site asking for the link to the vlogger
in the story or to post the link with the story. :)
Now they did ask for my 5 digit zipcode... and well, I only know
one... 90210.  :)

Mike
http://vlog.mikemoon.net

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think I got some traffic out of it but it's hard to track because
 they didn't actually link back to my vlog. Which was an oversight on
 the part of the web management people according to the reporter who
 did the piece--and they still haven't fixed it yet. It would have been
 nice to see it linked when the story was actually posted--especially
 since the anchor said on air that it would be linked after the story
 ran... morons.
 
 Bill Streeter
 LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
 www.lofistl.com
 www.billstreeter.net
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
 
  Wow, just wow.
  
  First, Congrats again bill!
  
  I wonder if you'll get more local viewers out of it?
  
  Second... flash... not windows media player, not real player... I can
  actually play it in my browser. Wow, we've come a long way in the last
  two years. Now all they need is some sharing features like source and
  a downloadable mp4 in their RSS feed so I can revlog it.
  
  Third... wow again... it's actually not BAD... in fact I don't want to
  go crazy but it's maybe even a good representation of vlogging.
  
  BTW, what was with the washed out colors... that was just weird...
  it's like the hole thing was digitized by putting a camera on the TV
  screen. The macintosh video was completely white. :)
  
  Finally, that hillary clinton video... I still haven't seen it... but
  what's funny is that WASN'T just some vlogger... it was created and
  then leaked by a PR guy at a major political PR firm that does work
  for Obama among others.  It's a complete misrepresentation of
  vlogging, but I just think it's funny. Mainstream media goes out to
  report on vlogging and ends up reporting on their own echo chamber.
  Are we even here?
  
  -Mike
  mmeiser.com/blog
  mefeedia.com
  
  On 3/24/07, Richard (Show) Hall richard@ wrote:
   Bill,
  
   This is really a nice news piece.
  
   Congratulations, and good luck with your bungalow
  
   ... Richard
  
   On 23 Mar 2007 05:02:47 -0700, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote:
   
  Our local Fox afiliate did a story about my vlog and vlogging in
general last night. It's online now you can see it here:
http://tinyurl.com/yvwjhw
   
Bill Streeter
LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
www.lofistl.com
www.billstreeter.net
   
   
   
  
  
  
   --
   Richard
   http://richardhhall.org
   Shows
   http://richardshow.org
   http://inspiredhealing.tv
  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: BikiniZero.com Tech News Bikini-Driven!

2007-03-25 Thread Bill Cammack
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don't f'in' get me started.
 
 Aw crap. Here it comes...
 
 The lesson: women must take better / more directed advantage of
silly men.
 They are totally at our mercy.
 
 What is it we women really want?
 
 Why don't more women create these shows and make $ off 'em? I know
there's a
 reason. Can it be a good reason?
 
 Jan

I hadn't given any thought to the statistics behind whether it's men
or women that exploit the advantage over silly men of sex sells, but
I'd have to guess that you're right and that there aren't enough women
behind the camera as it were in these situations.  Women are being
'used' to drive interest in shows or websites, but other than being
hired as on-air talent, they're probably not too involved in the
process.

I wonder how tough it would be for a group of women to get together
and create a production company or whatever to 'exploit' their own
(meaning women in general, not THE women of the production company.
:D) aesthetic advantages.

A possible reason why not is that ambitious women wouldn't be inclined
to 'stoop so low' to add to the stereotype of utilizing sex or
sexuality to make a profit.

Who knows?

Interesting question. :D

--
Bill C.
http://TheLab.ReelSolid.TV



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Let's Help The Others, As We Used To, To Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread ryanne hodson
i think the elitist label is bullshit.

i think this list is great
people are welcome to rant and rave
and get to the nitty gritty of online video
hell meiser and watkins post novels every day...

and it's insane how much people help each other tirelessly on this list
to figure out tech stuff.

i've been on other lists of videomakers
and people aren't nearly as helpful as on this list.
usually the answers/attitudes are just google it
or go find it on a message board

so i'd like to sing the praises of this group.

after visiting the cold harsh lists of other video groups
i gladly return to the videoblogging list for a passionate rant
and friendly fisticuffs daily. (ok it's more than that)

as for helping people
watkins are you holding any events?
are you getting people to videoblog?

i think the list you stated
is a good example of what people in this community are capable and willing
to create
and i think that's pretty fucking amazing.
and if you don't think that's enough
it's up to you (and anyone really)
to do something about it.

i love the videoblogging list
no matter how crazy it can get.

-ryanne

On 24 Mar 2007 16:55:12 -0700, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Cheers, although I dont actually think that stuff was a problem or
 really a reflection of any problems the group may have. I spend so
 much time here stating my opinions, that I cant really complain if
 anybody else ever states an opinion about me.

 I think its quite normal that people would maybe treat my opinions on
 vlogging differently if I actually vlogged a lot and they could 'see
 me' more. If I had ever had a sucessful web business then my opinions
 on other businesses might be taken differently by some, etc etc. And I
 can see why it might seem weird to spend so much time on a blogging
 group and reading and whining my opinions, when Im not blogging,
 vlogging or doing a business or even having all that much time to
 watch video.

 Anyways, I have been someone who moaned here and there about elitism
 or some other aspects of this group, but Ive also been fairly negative
 about possible alternatives. For me the group is healthy if opinions
 are diverse, so I wouldnt mind a few elitist comments here and there
 as it would reflect the fact there must be someone somewher who holds
 such views. Just so long as the whole group doesnt suffer from such
 things. Same with clique stuff, I think there may have been some
 tendencies towards this but it was never the whole group, it was
 clumps of people or even just one person using wording that might have
 sounded elitist, and maybe was or wasnt, it never usually got explored
 in depth, possibly because the label 'elitist' sounds negative so not
 many people think they are guilty of that.

 Some of the things that might put newcomers off this group are
 accidental or systemic, or chance. For example there are still threads
 people post that never get responded to. If its someone like me
 posting then it doesnt really matter because I post a lot, but a
 lurker or newbie who posts and is then largely or completely
 unresponded to, may suffer more as a consquence. Generally this isnt a
 huge problem and someoneusually steps up to the plate, or if there is
 silence then it may be for a good reason, or there is jsut too much
 email, but thats the sort of thing I think could be improved on by
 improving systems rather than it being a case of the wrong people
 being here.

 So I wouldnt suggest stating another group unless it had some things
 at its core that would make it pretty fundamentally different to this
 group. I dont know quite what this means in practice, but for example
 if the conversations were mostly video then it would feel different.

 I mean I wouldnt know if its possible to make the group either more or
 less like it was in the past. Time has moved on, various people have
 various reasons for not posting much to this group, their own personal
 vlog voyage may have moved on. Also not everyone is as willing to
 endlessly repeat themselves as I am, so once they've said everything
 they could think to say here, and the honeymoon burst of initial
 energy has worn off, things change.

 Also I suspect that over time various events, arguments, watershed
 moments in this group, make some people wary of bringing up certain
 subjects. The virtual presence of certain strong characters or
 opinions can leave its mark. Over the years of being online, Ive
 occasionally got paranoid in various communities (usually forums) ive
 been in, that my words may be doing more harm than good, which leads
 to me shutting up for months to see if its a better place without me.
 And over the years in this group I have sometimes questioned m worth
 which usually elicits enough replies to make me stick around, but then
 I feel guilty about email traffic being generated arounf the topic of
 me, when I dont really think theres anything very interesting to talk
 about me, which is one of the many reasons 

Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread sull
I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%).
And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net Video
Culture.
It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of
technology adoption.

Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another...
Lists, Guides, tags

Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to tag
stuff locally on mefeedia site?

Sull

On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for
 tracking our tags?

 -Devlon

 Josh Leo wrote:
  Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007
 
  I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps
 other
  people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So
 far
  all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins
 
  we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some other
  details.
 
  so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
 
 
 
  



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Re: [videoblogging] blogger atom.xml issues?

2007-03-25 Thread ryanne hodson
yeah it should only have about 25 posts in it.
that's how much it spits out at a time.

not sure what other feeds do.
but i know the blogger atom feed i throw in feedburner kicks out at max 25.

i'll check a wordpress feed
http://sustainableroute.com/?feed=rss2

this RSS feed from wordpress only shows 10!

so i think your atom blogger feed is doing pretty well.

-ryanne

On 23 Mar 2007 11:22:18 -0700, Sanford Dickert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Question for you blogger users: are any of you having problems with the
 feed from blogger/blogspot? As in, the atom.xml feed - I can only see 25
 posts, does anyone else see this happening to yourself?

 I have been in touch with some of the lead engineers at google - but they
 suggest that atom.xml only supports a limited feed (these guys are not
 with blogger)...

 Thanks for your help.

 Sanford

  




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Let's Help The Others, As We Used To, To Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread sull
snap!  no... werd.  , TrueThat!.  yeeaw.

elitism is a self-induced illusionary defense mechanism.

this group... it is what it is (whatever that means since its shifts
throughout the year.)
i'm glad its here.
but i long for something more intimate.
i recently tried something.  so far its failing as expected.
but one night i just tossed up a new group and called it ambiguously...
ForThoseOfUs http://forthoseof.us.
wtf is it?  not sure.  likely nothing at all.

sull

On 25 Mar 2007 09:50:04 -0700, ryanne hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   i think the elitist label is bullshit.

 i think this list is great
 people are welcome to rant and rave
 and get to the nitty gritty of online video
 hell meiser and watkins post novels every day...

 and it's insane how much people help each other tirelessly on this list
 to figure out tech stuff.

 i've been on other lists of videomakers
 and people aren't nearly as helpful as on this list.
 usually the answers/attitudes are just google it
 or go find it on a message board

 so i'd like to sing the praises of this group.

 after visiting the cold harsh lists of other video groups
 i gladly return to the videoblogging list for a passionate rant
 and friendly fisticuffs daily. (ok it's more than that)

 as for helping people
 watkins are you holding any events?
 are you getting people to videoblog?

 i think the list you stated
 is a good example of what people in this community are capable and willing
 to create
 and i think that's pretty fucking amazing.
 and if you don't think that's enough
 it's up to you (and anyone really)
 to do something about it.

 i love the videoblogging list
 no matter how crazy it can get.

 -ryanne


 On 24 Mar 2007 16:55:12 -0700, Steve Watkins [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]steve%40dvmachine.com
 wrote:
 
  Cheers, although I dont actually think that stuff was a problem or
  really a reflection of any problems the group may have. I spend so
  much time here stating my opinions, that I cant really complain if
  anybody else ever states an opinion about me.
 
  I think its quite normal that people would maybe treat my opinions on
  vlogging differently if I actually vlogged a lot and they could 'see
  me' more. If I had ever had a sucessful web business then my opinions
  on other businesses might be taken differently by some, etc etc. And I
  can see why it might seem weird to spend so much time on a blogging
  group and reading and whining my opinions, when Im not blogging,
  vlogging or doing a business or even having all that much time to
  watch video.
 
  Anyways, I have been someone who moaned here and there about elitism
  or some other aspects of this group, but Ive also been fairly negative
  about possible alternatives. For me the group is healthy if opinions
  are diverse, so I wouldnt mind a few elitist comments here and there
  as it would reflect the fact there must be someone somewher who holds
  such views. Just so long as the whole group doesnt suffer from such
  things. Same with clique stuff, I think there may have been some
  tendencies towards this but it was never the whole group, it was
  clumps of people or even just one person using wording that might have
  sounded elitist, and maybe was or wasnt, it never usually got explored
  in depth, possibly because the label 'elitist' sounds negative so not
  many people think they are guilty of that.
 
  Some of the things that might put newcomers off this group are
  accidental or systemic, or chance. For example there are still threads
  people post that never get responded to. If its someone like me
  posting then it doesnt really matter because I post a lot, but a
  lurker or newbie who posts and is then largely or completely
  unresponded to, may suffer more as a consquence. Generally this isnt a
  huge problem and someoneusually steps up to the plate, or if there is
  silence then it may be for a good reason, or there is jsut too much
  email, but thats the sort of thing I think could be improved on by
  improving systems rather than it being a case of the wrong people
  being here.
 
  So I wouldnt suggest stating another group unless it had some things
  at its core that would make it pretty fundamentally different to this
  group. I dont know quite what this means in practice, but for example
  if the conversations were mostly video then it would feel different.
 
  I mean I wouldnt know if its possible to make the group either more or
  less like it was in the past. Time has moved on, various people have
  various reasons for not posting much to this group, their own personal
  vlog voyage may have moved on. Also not everyone is as willing to
  endlessly repeat themselves as I am, so once they've said everything
  they could think to say here, and the honeymoon burst of initial
  energy has worn off, things change.
 
  Also I suspect that over time various events, arguments, watershed
  moments in this group, make some people wary of bringing up certain
  subjects. The 

[videoblogging] My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Today, I'm unsure how to react to this news -- having your person,
property and rights violated is an unsettling experience. Would
definitely like to hear your thoughts on this as I'm processing the
information.

On Friday morning, I was informed by a NYTimes reporter that recent
documents uncovered just how far the NYPD went to suppress Free Speech
-- mine and others -- at the Republican Convention in 2004. Here's
what the NYTimes reported in the Sunday edition:

City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/25infiltrate.html?ex=1332561600en=3af0cd0ac568e430ei=5124partner=permalinkexprod=permalink

Bikes Against Bush http://www.bikesagainstbush.com was my graduate
thesis project, a combination of mechanical engineering, WiFi,
interactive mobile messaging, and videoblogging. It was featured in
Popular Science magazine for the engineering design of the bicycle
that printed chalk text messages sent through SMS and from my website
onto streets and sidewalks in NYC.

Apparently, the NYPD considered this project to be a threat and was
determined to shut it down. They had a copy of the Popular Science
article in a file along with 4 pages of notes as to why my project was
a threat. This led to my bizarre arrest, which happened on national
television while I was being interviewed by Ron Reagan on MSNBC's
Hardball.

I was arrested with no crime being committed. Just simply plucked from
the street, jailed for 24 hours, and my computer, cell phone and
bicycle confiscated and held for over a year (the bicycle was never
returned). The fake charges against me were dropped 6 months later.

The NYTimes article confirms what I had long suspected -- that the
NYPD was unlawfully conducting surveillance of artists, activists, and
others seeking to exercise free speech at the RNC convention in 2004.

Here are the videos:

The Bike Project
http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/iloveny.mov

The Arrest -- Street Footage
http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/bikesarrest.mov

MSNBC Interview
http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/msnbc_8-29-2004_med1.mov

BikesAgainstBush was important because it was one of the earliest
demonstrations of the power of the blogosphere to distribute video --
the raw street-footage of the arrest circulated around the blogosphere
and was viewed by millions of people both before and after the edited
version aired on MSNBC's Hardball.

Immediately after this project, I began working on software to
distribute video via RSS. I met Jay Dedman around this time in NYC,
and we began working together. This became ANT (ANT's Not Television)
and later FireAnt http://FireAnt.tv.

I wanted to share my thoughts here, in the videoblogging community, as
I'm reflecting today on the state of media, how far we've come and the
work that remains...

Best,
Josh


Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread sull
I know.  The theme should be Organized Chaos.
Isn't that what has happened in this space?

On 3/24/07, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007

 I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps
 other
 people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So far
 all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins

 we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some other
 details.

 so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?

 --
 Josh Leo

 www.JoshLeo.com
 www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
 www.SlowLorisMedia.com

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Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Devlon Duthie
Hey sull,

That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting Mefeedia.

I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't keeping up 
with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious to hear 
what wonderous things had been discussed.

Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this year, we 
have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with 
Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in rounding out 
the tags that we parse from the rss post.  So, the short answer, is we 
track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag clips at 
Mefeedia.

...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community works sull, 
I know all too well :)

Thanks,
Devlon



sull wrote:
 I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
 But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%).
 And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net Video
 Culture.
 It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of
 technology adoption.

 Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another...
 Lists, Guides, tags

 Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to tag
 stuff locally on mefeedia site?

 Sull

 On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for
 tracking our tags?

 -Devlon

 Josh Leo wrote:
 
 Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007

 I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps
   
 other
 
 people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So
   
 far
 
 all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins

 we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some other
 details.

 so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?



   
  

 


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Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious, Technorati)
and see which keeps track best.

Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first thing 4/8 run
'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results

Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me drag them back
into my burgeoning workflow.

It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia stopped
translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the cross-post
wrought.

Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags?

Jan

On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey sull,

 That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting Mefeedia.

 I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't keeping up
 with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious to hear
 what wonderous things had been discussed.

 Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this year, we
 have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with
 Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in rounding out
 the tags that we parse from the rss post.  So, the short answer, is we
 track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag clips at
 Mefeedia.

 ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community works sull,
 I know all too well :)

 Thanks,
 Devlon



 sull wrote:
  I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
  But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%).
  And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net
 Video
  Culture.
  It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of
  technology adoption.
 
  Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another...
  Lists, Guides, tags
 
  Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to
 tag
  stuff locally on mefeedia site?
 
  Sull
 
  On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for
  tracking our tags?
 
  -Devlon
 
  Josh Leo wrote:
 
  Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007
 
  I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps
 
  other
 
  people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So
 
  far
 
  all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins
 
  we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some
 other
  details.
 
  so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 
 



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http://fauxpress.blogspot.com


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Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Devlon Duthie
Thanks Jan, that's a better way of what I was trying to say.  Use all 
the main tagging services you can handle, not just one.

I think we've fixed up the blogger-mf formatting, please let me/us know 
if you see something that looks goofy.

The new changes related to tagging involve parsing the description, 
content and content:encoded of the rss item/post for rel=tag (this 
should be in everyone's workflow imho) as well as adding keywords from 
media:keywords, media:category and itunes:keywords.

I was pretty surprised how many people don't tag their clips.

(...sorry sull, it's a very bad, bad morning...mea culpa?)

--
Devlon



Jan McLaughlin wrote:
 Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious, Technorati)
 and see which keeps track best.

 Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first thing 4/8 run
 'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results

 Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me drag them back
 into my burgeoning workflow.

 It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia stopped
 translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the cross-post
 wrought.

 Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags?

 Jan

 On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Hey sull,

 That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting Mefeedia.

 I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't keeping up
 with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious to hear
 what wonderous things had been discussed.

 Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this year, we
 have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with
 Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in rounding out
 the tags that we parse from the rss post.  So, the short answer, is we
 track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag clips at
 Mefeedia.

 ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community works sull,
 I know all too well :)

 Thanks,
 Devlon



 sull wrote:
 
 I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
 But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%).
 And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net
   
 Video
 
 Culture.
 It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of
 technology adoption.

 Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another...
 Lists, Guides, tags

 Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to
   
 tag
 
 stuff locally on mefeedia site?

 Sull

 On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
   Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for
 tracking our tags?

 -Devlon

 Josh Leo wrote:

 
 Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007

 I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps

   
 other

 
 people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So

   
 far

 
 all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins

 we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some
   
 other
 
 details.

 so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?




   

 
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Re: [videoblogging] My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread Roxanne Darling
Josh -

I am going to make time to review your links, and wanted to post a
quick acknowledgement of your brilliant project and thank you for
sharing your story with the group.  There are so many elements in here
to think about.

Rox

On 25 Mar 2007 10:06:10 -0700, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






 Today, I'm unsure how to react to this news -- having your person,
  property and rights violated is an unsettling experience. Would
  definitely like to hear your thoughts on this as I'm processing the
  information.

  On Friday morning, I was informed by a NYTimes reporter that recent
  documents uncovered just how far the NYPD went to suppress Free Speech
  -- mine and others -- at the Republican Convention in 2004. Here's
  what the NYTimes reported in the Sunday edition:

  City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention
 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/25infiltrate.html?ex=1332561600en=3af0cd0ac568e430ei=5124partner=permalinkexprod=permalink

  Bikes Against Bush http://www.bikesagainstbush.com was my graduate
  thesis project, a combination of mechanical engineering, WiFi,
  interactive mobile messaging, and videoblogging. It was featured in
  Popular Science magazine for the engineering design of the bicycle
  that printed chalk text messages sent through SMS and from my website
  onto streets and sidewalks in NYC.

  Apparently, the NYPD considered this project to be a threat and was
  determined to shut it down. They had a copy of the Popular Science
  article in a file along with 4 pages of notes as to why my project was
  a threat. This led to my bizarre arrest, which happened on national
  television while I was being interviewed by Ron Reagan on MSNBC's
  Hardball.

  I was arrested with no crime being committed. Just simply plucked from
  the street, jailed for 24 hours, and my computer, cell phone and
  bicycle confiscated and held for over a year (the bicycle was never
  returned). The fake charges against me were dropped 6 months later.

  The NYTimes article confirms what I had long suspected -- that the
  NYPD was unlawfully conducting surveillance of artists, activists, and
  others seeking to exercise free speech at the RNC convention in 2004.

  Here are the videos:

  The Bike Project
  http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/iloveny.mov

  The Arrest -- Street Footage
  http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/bikesarrest.mov

  MSNBC Interview
  http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/msnbc_8-29-2004_med1.mov

  BikesAgainstBush was important because it was one of the earliest
  demonstrations of the power of the blogosphere to distribute video --
  the raw street-footage of the arrest circulated around the blogosphere
  and was viewed by millions of people both before and after the edited
  version aired on MSNBC's Hardball.

  Immediately after this project, I began working on software to
  distribute video via RSS. I met Jay Dedman around this time in NYC,
  and we began working together. This became ANT (ANT's Not Television)
  and later FireAnt http://FireAnt.tv.

  I wanted to share my thoughts here, in the videoblogging community, as
  I'm reflecting today on the state of media, how far we've come and the
  work that remains...

  Best,
  Josh
  


-- 
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o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian
808-384-5554

http://www.beachwalks.tv
http://www.barefeetshop.com
http://www.barefeetstudios.com
http://www.inthetransition.com


[videoblogging] Intro: The Gameshelf

2007-03-25 Thread Jason McIntosh
Hi folks,

I just discovered this group by way of the most excellent blip.tv,
where I just relocated my own show, The Gameshelf. I don't really
consider it a vlog as it's not very bloggy in style or presentation,
and more like a traditional half-hour TV show. In fact, it's produced
as a community access TV show where I live in Somerville,
Massachusetts (just north of Boston), but I consider it more of a
video podcast than a literal television program.

Its blip page: http://thegameshelf.blip.tv

The show features my friends and me examining obscure games of all
sorts, including board, parlor, and digital games. I've produced five
episodes so far, all of which you can see on blip. The first four were
largely produced at the end of 2005, but I published the most recent
(and certainly the best) one just a few weeks ago, and I consider it
the start of our second season. I hope to make a couple more before
summer. I also want to concentrate more on both promoting the show and
becoming more active in the online video-production community. So, hi!
I'd love to hear comments and criticism about my work.

-- 
Jason McIntosh
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM:zendonut
Cell:   617-792-3829

President and Founder
Volity Games
http://volity.net


[videoblogging] Re: My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread Gena
Joshua, I woke up this morning and heard a brief story on NPR about
this. I said to myself, I'm probably in some dang database. I heard
something about an RNC/NYPD work task force. 

For those outside the U.S.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/25/news/protest.php

This is a direct result of an imperial presidency and the PATRIOT Act. 

And yeah, I've suspected that we had/have increase scrutiny from
certain governmental agencies in this list as well. I could say that
it is a perverse badge of honor. But that may be a little too
optimistic spin on this. 

I could bring up ancient anger and say that this is what we get when
Americans collectively chose not to participate in the process of
elections. That this is what we get when in fear mode we permit all
kinds of abuses in the name of safety.

My country tis of thee?  Sometimes yes, lately ???

This is one instance where being African-American helps me to cope
with this kind of thing. It happens. You were not a person. You were
an objective. A Not Like Us person. The Other. 

It will continue to happen until attention is focused on this event.
NYPD has to be made to feel so uncomfortable that it will promises
heaven and earth not to do it again. Unlikely but possible. 

Be angry. Be aggressive in finding out the complete truth and be
strong in your conviction that you were exercising your rights as a
citizen.

After you do all of that. Acceptance. The acceptance part is that you
and your rights were violated. As you think about it more it is gonna
eat at you. You will need to find a healthy way to discharge that
energy. It will take some time. Because you are going to realize just
how deep this cuts and the number of layers this is going to penetrate
your being.

The best metaphor I can give you is in the winter when the wind blows.
You are standing there. The wind blows. Because of the wind chill
factor it feel much colder than what it is in reality.

You have two choices:

One is to clench up and take it full blast - this will ensure the
shivers. Discomfort. A loss of personal power. Until it stops. 

Two is to accept the wind and allow it to pass through you. You are
still cold but you decide what you will and will not latch on to as
you deal with this situation. 

I wish I had better words for you. I know what I'm trying to say but
it isn't coming out right. So I'll stop with do the best you can.

...peace, be still

Gena

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Today, I'm unsure how to react to this news -- having your person,
 property and rights violated is an unsettling experience. Would
 definitely like to hear your thoughts on this as I'm processing the
 information.
 
 On Friday morning, I was informed by a NYTimes reporter that recent
 documents uncovered just how far the NYPD went to suppress Free Speech
 -- mine and others -- at the Republican Convention in 2004. Here's
 what the NYTimes reported in the Sunday edition:
 
 City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/25infiltrate.html?ex=1332561600en=3af0cd0ac568e430ei=5124partner=permalinkexprod=permalink
 
 Bikes Against Bush http://www.bikesagainstbush.com was my graduate
 thesis project, a combination of mechanical engineering, WiFi,
 interactive mobile messaging, and videoblogging. It was featured in
 Popular Science magazine for the engineering design of the bicycle
 that printed chalk text messages sent through SMS and from my website
 onto streets and sidewalks in NYC.
 
 Apparently, the NYPD considered this project to be a threat and was
 determined to shut it down. They had a copy of the Popular Science
 article in a file along with 4 pages of notes as to why my project was
 a threat. This led to my bizarre arrest, which happened on national
 television while I was being interviewed by Ron Reagan on MSNBC's
 Hardball.
 
 I was arrested with no crime being committed. Just simply plucked from
 the street, jailed for 24 hours, and my computer, cell phone and
 bicycle confiscated and held for over a year (the bicycle was never
 returned). The fake charges against me were dropped 6 months later.
 
 The NYTimes article confirms what I had long suspected -- that the
 NYPD was unlawfully conducting surveillance of artists, activists, and
 others seeking to exercise free speech at the RNC convention in 2004.
 
 Here are the videos:
 
 The Bike Project
 http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/iloveny.mov
 
 The Arrest -- Street Footage
 http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/bikesarrest.mov
 
 MSNBC Interview
 http://www.bikesagainstbush.com/blog/msnbc_8-29-2004_med1.mov
 
 BikesAgainstBush was important because it was one of the earliest
 demonstrations of the power of the blogosphere to distribute video --
 the raw street-footage of the arrest circulated around the blogosphere
 and was viewed by millions of people both before and after the edited
 version aired on MSNBC's Hardball.
 
 Immediately after 

[videoblogging] Re: vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Frank Sinton
Hi Jan,

Thanks for the feedback. We've been putting a lot of time into 
making sure Mefeedia grabs tags from as many possible options that 
people have available to them for tagging a video post.

I'm looking forward to watching all of the great videos that will be 
coming out of videoblogging week 2007!

-Frank

Frank Sinton
CEO, Mefeedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.mefeedia.com - 2,219,533 episodes from 22,818 video feeds 
across 13,565 websites
Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Thanks Jan, that's a better way of what I was trying to say.  Use 
all 
 the main tagging services you can handle, not just one.
 
 I think we've fixed up the blogger-mf formatting, please let 
me/us know 
 if you see something that looks goofy.
 
 The new changes related to tagging involve parsing the 
description, 
 content and content:encoded of the rss item/post for rel=tag 
(this 
 should be in everyone's workflow imho) as well as adding keywords 
from 
 media:keywords, media:category and itunes:keywords.
 
 I was pretty surprised how many people don't tag their clips.
 
 (...sorry sull, it's a very bad, bad morning...mea culpa?)
 
 --
 Devlon
 
 
 
 Jan McLaughlin wrote:
  Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious, 
Technorati)
  and see which keeps track best.
 
  Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first 
thing 4/8 run
  'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results
 
  Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me 
drag them back
  into my burgeoning workflow.
 
  It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia 
stopped
  translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the 
cross-post
  wrought.
 
  Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags?
 
  Jan
 
  On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey sull,
 
  That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting 
Mefeedia.
 
  I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't 
keeping up
  with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious 
to hear
  what wonderous things had been discussed.
 
  Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this 
year, we
  have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with
  Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in 
rounding out
  the tags that we parse from the rss post.  So, the short 
answer, is we
  track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag 
clips at
  Mefeedia.
 
  ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community 
works sull,
  I know all too well :)
 
  Thanks,
  Devlon
 
 
 
  sull wrote:
  
  I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
  But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 
8%).
  And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation 
of Net

  Video
  
  Culture.
  It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the 
premise of
  technology adoption.
 
  Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or 
another...
  Lists, Guides, tags
 
  Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you 
have to

  tag
  
  stuff locally on mefeedia site?
 
  Sull
 
  On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this 
year for
  tracking our tags?
 
  -Devlon
 
  Josh Leo wrote:
 
  
  Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007
 
  I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know 
it helps
 

  other
 
  
  people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick 
them. So
 

  far
 
  
  all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins
 
  we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail 
out some

  other
  
  details.
 
  so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
 
 
 
 

 
  
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  Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread Rupert
Wow.  I could do a few pages on this, but I won't.
There is an amazing documentary by Adam Curtis, part 3/3 on tonight  
on BBC2 at 9pm.  It's called The Trap, and it's about how we are  
losing/have lost our freedom.  It's very, very good.  All Brits on  
the list should check it out.

Everybody else can check it out in several parts at http:// 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVZBkelUft8
It will play on PBS later this year, like his previous doc The Power  
Of Nightmares.

I feel a bit embarrassed to be linking to a BBC documentary from a  
mainstream doc director here.  I know I'm not alone in having all  
these hopes for what online distributed media and particularly video  
can do to help change tyrannical bureaucratic secretive abuse of  
power like this and break the illusion of our impotence.  I keep  
telling myself Be The Change You Wish To See In The World, and trying  
to find ways to make this happen in my life through online video.   
I'm not there yet, but this group (tying back into Harold's thread)  
has obliquely and unwittingly helped me make quite amazing personal  
and political realizations over time and some of the stuff you all do  
I find buttock-tighteningly inspiring.  Regardless of social  
dynamics, which I believe are considerably less poisonous and more  
accepting here than in other places.

Rupert
http://www.fatgirlinohio.org
http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/


On 25 Mar 2007, at 20:19, Gena wrote:

Joshua, I woke up this morning and heard a brief story on NPR about
this. I said to myself, I'm probably in some dang database. I heard
something about an RNC/NYPD work task force.

For those outside the U.S.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/25/news/protest.php

This is a direct result of an imperial presidency and the PATRIOT Act.

And yeah, I've suspected that we had/have increase scrutiny from
certain governmental agencies in this list as well. I could say that
it is a perverse badge of honor. But that may be a little too
optimistic spin on this.

I could bring up ancient anger and say that this is what we get when
Americans collectively chose not to participate in the process of
elections. That this is what we get when in fear mode we permit all
kinds of abuses in the name of safety.

My country tis of thee? Sometimes yes, lately ???

This is one instance where being African-American helps me to cope
with this kind of thing. It happens. You were not a person. You were
an objective. A Not Like Us person. The Other.

It will continue to happen until attention is focused on this event.
NYPD has to be made to feel so uncomfortable that it will promises
heaven and earth not to do it again. Unlikely but possible.

Be angry. Be aggressive in finding out the complete truth and be
strong in your conviction that you were exercising your rights as a
citizen.

After you do all of that. Acceptance. The acceptance part is that you
and your rights were violated. As you think about it more it is gonna
eat at you. You will need to find a healthy way to discharge that
energy. It will take some time. Because you are going to realize just
how deep this cuts and the number of layers this is going to penetrate
your being.

The best metaphor I can give you is in the winter when the wind blows.
You are standing there. The wind blows. Because of the wind chill
factor it feel much colder than what it is in reality.

You have two choices:

One is to clench up and take it full blast - this will ensure the
shivers. Discomfort. A loss of personal power. Until it stops.

Two is to accept the wind and allow it to pass through you. You are
still cold but you decide what you will and will not latch on to as
you deal with this situation.

I wish I had better words for you. I know what I'm trying to say but
it isn't coming out right. So I'll stop with do the best you can.

...peace, be still

Gena

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
  Today, I'm unsure how to react to this news -- having your person,
  property and rights violated is an unsettling experience. Would
  definitely like to hear your thoughts on this as I'm processing the
  information.
 
  On Friday morning, I was informed by a NYTimes reporter that recent
  documents uncovered just how far the NYPD went to suppress Free  
Speech
  -- mine and others -- at the Republican Convention in 2004. Here's
  what the NYTimes reported in the Sunday edition:
 
  City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/25infiltrate.html? 
ex=1332561600en=3af0cd0ac568e430ei=5124partner=permalinkexprod=perma 
link
 
  Bikes Against Bush http://www.bikesagainstbush.com was my graduate
  thesis project, a combination of mechanical engineering, WiFi,
  interactive mobile messaging, and videoblogging. It was featured in
  Popular Science magazine for the engineering design of the bicycle
  that printed chalk text messages sent through SMS and from my website
  onto streets 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: BikiniZero.com Tech News Bikini-Driven!

2007-03-25 Thread Jan McLaughlin
And as Raymond says, do not let us forget [to ask] the [hard] questions.

This is a difficult one for sure.

It is stooping to use boobs; shooting fish in a barrel. Not much sport in
it. That's my biggest problem with it.

Why calculate the lowest common denominator when the high denominator is so
much more fun?

Jan

On 3/25/07, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Don't f'in' get me started.
 
  Aw crap. Here it comes...
 
  The lesson: women must take better / more directed advantage of
 silly men.
  They are totally at our mercy.
 
  What is it we women really want?
 
  Why don't more women create these shows and make $ off 'em? I know
 there's a
  reason. Can it be a good reason?
 
  Jan

 I hadn't given any thought to the statistics behind whether it's men
 or women that exploit the advantage over silly men of sex sells, but
 I'd have to guess that you're right and that there aren't enough women
 behind the camera as it were in these situations.  Women are being
 'used' to drive interest in shows or websites, but other than being
 hired as on-air talent, they're probably not too involved in the
 process.

 I wonder how tough it would be for a group of women to get together
 and create a production company or whatever to 'exploit' their own
 (meaning women in general, not THE women of the production company.
 :D) aesthetic advantages.

 A possible reason why not is that ambitious women wouldn't be inclined
 to 'stoop so low' to add to the stereotype of utilizing sex or
 sexuality to make a profit.

 Who knows?

 Interesting question. :D

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Did that stop you in your activist tracks, Josh? Or perhaps having invented
FireANT is a deeper gesture of activism? It certainly has helped me wean
m'self away from the mainstream that was moving my brain toward uselessness.

I'm proud of you, Josh; sorry you have to feel this violation again.

Oh boy.

Jan

On 3/25/07, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow.  I could do a few pages on this, but I won't.
 There is an amazing documentary by Adam Curtis, part 3/3 on tonight
 on BBC2 at 9pm.  It's called The Trap, and it's about how we are
 losing/have lost our freedom.  It's very, very good.  All Brits on
 the list should check it out.

 Everybody else can check it out in several parts at http://
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVZBkelUft8
 It will play on PBS later this year, like his previous doc The Power
 Of Nightmares.

 I feel a bit embarrassed to be linking to a BBC documentary from a
 mainstream doc director here.  I know I'm not alone in having all
 these hopes for what online distributed media and particularly video
 can do to help change tyrannical bureaucratic secretive abuse of
 power like this and break the illusion of our impotence.  I keep
 telling myself Be The Change You Wish To See In The World, and trying
 to find ways to make this happen in my life through online video.
 I'm not there yet, but this group (tying back into Harold's thread)
 has obliquely and unwittingly helped me make quite amazing personal
 and political realizations over time and some of the stuff you all do
 I find buttock-tighteningly inspiring.  Regardless of social
 dynamics, which I believe are considerably less poisonous and more
 accepting here than in other places.

 Rupert
 http://www.fatgirlinohio.org
 http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/


 On 25 Mar 2007, at 20:19, Gena wrote:

 Joshua, I woke up this morning and heard a brief story on NPR about
 this. I said to myself, I'm probably in some dang database. I heard
 something about an RNC/NYPD work task force.

 For those outside the U.S.
 http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/25/news/protest.php

 This is a direct result of an imperial presidency and the PATRIOT Act.

 And yeah, I've suspected that we had/have increase scrutiny from
 certain governmental agencies in this list as well. I could say that
 it is a perverse badge of honor. But that may be a little too
 optimistic spin on this.

 I could bring up ancient anger and say that this is what we get when
 Americans collectively chose not to participate in the process of
 elections. That this is what we get when in fear mode we permit all
 kinds of abuses in the name of safety.

 My country tis of thee? Sometimes yes, lately ???

 This is one instance where being African-American helps me to cope
 with this kind of thing. It happens. You were not a person. You were
 an objective. A Not Like Us person. The Other.

 It will continue to happen until attention is focused on this event.
 NYPD has to be made to feel so uncomfortable that it will promises
 heaven and earth not to do it again. Unlikely but possible.

 Be angry. Be aggressive in finding out the complete truth and be
 strong in your conviction that you were exercising your rights as a
 citizen.

 After you do all of that. Acceptance. The acceptance part is that you
 and your rights were violated. As you think about it more it is gonna
 eat at you. You will need to find a healthy way to discharge that
 energy. It will take some time. Because you are going to realize just
 how deep this cuts and the number of layers this is going to penetrate
 your being.

 The best metaphor I can give you is in the winter when the wind blows.
 You are standing there. The wind blows. Because of the wind chill
 factor it feel much colder than what it is in reality.

 You have two choices:

 One is to clench up and take it full blast - this will ensure the
 shivers. Discomfort. A loss of personal power. Until it stops.

 Two is to accept the wind and allow it to pass through you. You are
 still cold but you decide what you will and will not latch on to as
 you deal with this situation.

 I wish I had better words for you. I know what I'm trying to say but
 it isn't coming out right. So I'll stop with do the best you can.

 ...peace, be still

 Gena

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Today, I'm unsure how to react to this news -- having your person,
  property and rights violated is an unsettling experience. Would
  definitely like to hear your thoughts on this as I'm processing the
  information.
 
  On Friday morning, I was informed by a NYTimes reporter that recent
  documents uncovered just how far the NYPD went to suppress Free
 Speech
  -- mine and others -- at the Republican Convention in 2004. Here's
  what the NYTimes reported in the Sunday edition:
 
  City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/25infiltrate.html?
 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Josh Leo
permalink for vlog-week images:

*http://tinyurl.com/2g9qb4*

http://videobloggingweek2007.blogspot.com/2007/03/videoblogging-week-images.html


On 25 Mar 2007 12:23:37 -0700, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hi Jan,

 Thanks for the feedback. We've been putting a lot of time into
 making sure Mefeedia grabs tags from as many possible options that
 people have available to them for tagging a video post.

 I'm looking forward to watching all of the great videos that will be
 coming out of videoblogging week 2007!

 -Frank

 Frank Sinton
 CEO, Mefeedia
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank%40mefeedia.com

 http://www.mefeedia.com - 2,219,533 episodes from 22,818 video feeds
 across 13,565 websites
 Our blog: http://mefeedia.com/blog

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
 
  Thanks Jan, that's a better way of what I was trying to say. Use
 all
  the main tagging services you can handle, not just one.
 
  I think we've fixed up the blogger-mf formatting, please let
 me/us know
  if you see something that looks goofy.
 
  The new changes related to tagging involve parsing the
 description,
  content and content:encoded of the rss item/post for rel=tag
 (this
  should be in everyone's workflow imho) as well as adding keywords
 from
  media:keywords, media:category and itunes:keywords.
 
  I was pretty surprised how many people don't tag their clips.
 
  (...sorry sull, it's a very bad, bad morning...mea culpa?)
 
  --
  Devlon
 
 
 
  Jan McLaughlin wrote:
   Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious,
 Technorati)
   and see which keeps track best.
  
   Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first
 thing 4/8 run
   'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results
  
   Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me
 drag them back
   into my burgeoning workflow.
  
   It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia
 stopped
   translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the
 cross-post
   wrought.
  
   Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags?
  
   Jan
  
   On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey sull,
  
   That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting
 Mefeedia.
  
   I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't
 keeping up
   with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious
 to hear
   what wonderous things had been discussed.
  
   Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this
 year, we
   have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with
   Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in
 rounding out
   the tags that we parse from the rss post. So, the short
 answer, is we
   track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag
 clips at
   Mefeedia.
  
   ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community
 works sull,
   I know all too well :)
  
   Thanks,
   Devlon
  
  
  
   sull wrote:
  
   I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
   But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active
 8%).
   And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation
 of Net
  
   Video
  
   Culture.
   It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the
 premise of
   technology adoption.
  
   Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or
 another...
   Lists, Guides, tags
  
   Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you
 have to
  
   tag
  
   stuff locally on mefeedia site?
  
   Sull
  
   On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this
 year for
   tracking our tags?
  
   -Devlon
  
   Josh Leo wrote:
  
  
   Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007
  
   I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know
 it helps
  
  
   other
  
  
   people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick
 them. So
  
  
   far
  
  
   all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins
  
   we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail
 out some
  
   other
  
   details.
  
   so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Research into Videoblogging and Videoblogs - call for help

2007-03-25 Thread trine bjørkmann berry
hi all,

just wanted to say a big thank you to those of you who have written to
me already, I've sent the questions along from my university email, so
hopefully they've not got lost into anyone's spam filters.

Also, if anyone's intersted in helping out, I am still looking for
volunteers, so drop me a line.

many thanks
trine



On 3/22/07, trine bjørkmann berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 Some of you might know (of) me already, but for those of you who
 don't, I am a researcher in Media  Film at the University of Sussex,
 UK, and am currently writing my thesis on Videoblogging.

 Part of my study is conducting interviews with videobloggers, and I am
 currently looking for volunteers. I'd be really grateful if you would
 spare a little of your time to tell me about your site. If you agree
 to help, I'll mail you a few questions off list. Your answers can be
 as long or short as you like. You could really help me by spending as
 little as 10 minutes telling me about your experiences. In anything I
 use from what you say, I will make sure that no clues are given to
 your identity.

 I hope you will help. Sorry to have wasted your time if you're not interested.

 Many thanks

 Trine B Berry

 Doctoral Candidate
 Department of Media  Film
 University of Sussex

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.sussex.ac.uk/mediastudies/profile185401.html



-- 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
trine.blogs.com
twitter.com/trine


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Research into Videoblogging and Videoblogs - call for help

2007-03-25 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Ha! Irresistible.

I'm in.

Jan

On 3/25/07, trine bjørkmann berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hi all,

 just wanted to say a big thank you to those of you who have written to
 me already, I've sent the questions along from my university email, so
 hopefully they've not got lost into anyone's spam filters.

 Also, if anyone's intersted in helping out, I am still looking for
 volunteers, so drop me a line.

 many thanks
 trine



 On 3/22/07, trine bjørkmann berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
 
  Some of you might know (of) me already, but for those of you who
  don't, I am a researcher in Media  Film at the University of Sussex,
  UK, and am currently writing my thesis on Videoblogging.
 
  Part of my study is conducting interviews with videobloggers, and I am
  currently looking for volunteers. I'd be really grateful if you would
  spare a little of your time to tell me about your site. If you agree
  to help, I'll mail you a few questions off list. Your answers can be
  as long or short as you like. You could really help me by spending as
  little as 10 minutes telling me about your experiences. In anything I
  use from what you say, I will make sure that no clues are given to
  your identity.
 
  I hope you will help. Sorry to have wasted your time if you're not
 interested.
 
  Many thanks
 
  Trine B Berry
 
  Doctoral Candidate
  Department of Media  Film
  University of Sussex
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  http://www.sussex.ac.uk/mediastudies/profile185401.html
 


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Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Meiser
On 3/25/07, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious, Technorati)
 and see which keeps track best.

It's a track-off. LOL

Jan, even though videoblogging week is truely about making media,
thank you for your feedback on the technical aspects. They're much
appreciated. That goes for everyone. I'm sure the tech will descend to
the background as we get nearer videoblogging week so we can focus on
all the beautiful content.

Speaking of which, I am planning on participating this year, but I may
be a little off them. Being as how I can never fully remove myself
from the tech. I'm going to vlog completely from the Linux operating
system and using only open source tools. It's a great exuse for me to
get an intimate understanding of how close vlogging is to breaching
the digital divide. I do believe linux is the key. Maybe I can actuall
make some screen casts. :)

Geeky me.

I just can't wait until we decide on a theme!

I hope we've not swayed the focus, mefeedia is not sponsoring vbweek,
we're not co-oping it we're just taking the opportunity to test metal
and see if we can't do right by the community and fill in that gap
left by services like technorati which isn't focused on media, and
working with brother and sister tools like blip, dabble, delicious and
others... we can track videoblogging week across any service INCLUDING
youtube just as long as that service fully supports RSS 2.0 and
MediaRSS.  and wil I love that the majority of vloggers here care
enough to craft their own vlogging experience I really hope we cast a
wider net and get people participating on services from revver, to
youtube, to Vimeo and others.  We're even starting to work on
platforms like second life to get video and audio podcast syndicated
to and from sl.

But all this is just good sentiment. What it comes down to now is it
either works or doesnt... either people will only be able to
collaborate really well within the context of great but ultimately
closed serices like Flickr and Youtube... or Dabble, mefeedia and
other trackers and searchers to follow will increasingly find ways to
bring those sollaborative mechanisms OUT of the walled gardens and
build the infrastructure to make robust interoperable collaborative
and social spaces no matter where you host your vlog, post your media
or otherwise.

 Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first thing 4/8 run
 'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results

We would love your continued critique. And I think it might be good
for others if they're listening too.

Which reminds me... I need to take a new look at SpinXpress. They seem
to be on the other end of the spectrum... i.e. private, non-public
media collaboration, but I'm curious if there aren't more ways to open
spin express up so that there can't be more public space for
intereaction with it to... i.e. does spin express do RSS? Can I
subscribe to a project feed either with a private secure RSS feed or a
public one? I lament that I haven't had more time to play with it.

 Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me drag them back
 into my burgeoning workflow.

We'll get cha'. Thanks to frank we finally have the resources to
follow through on many of the projects we've been dying to work on. :)

 It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia stopped
 translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the cross-post
 wrought.

We've done MANY huge improvements, special thanks to Devlon, on tag
aggregation and I'm sur if you check any and all your feeds we're now
grabing your tags. If we're not let us know.

This does remind me though that Blogger.com 2.0 has a new mechanism
for tagging posts. It's called labels.

That's a good question for Devlon. Does mefeedia handle blogger.com's
new labels?  Labels is new in blogger.com 2.0. I don't know how it's
included in the RSS feeds, just that it should be included somehow
because Technoratti picks up on it.

 Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags?

Jan, absolutely.

Blip specifies their tags in RSS and mediaRSS.  Mefeedia will pick up
tags just as long as they are included when you upload the video... if
you are however tagging your videos after you post them to blip... say
12 or more hours later and mefeedia has already crawled your blip feed
there is a chance we may miss them as I don't believe we re check old
posts for new tags. This is typical of the way RSS works though.

The question is for blip.

If you are tagging on blip and then cross posting to your blog do they
include tags in the cross post using the technorati proposed rel=tag
satandard?

I've recently been talking a lot about how cross posting from blip
(and other services) is the weak link in the meta-info chain. Blip has
all sorts of great meta info such as geolocation info, thumbnails,
alternate video formats like flash, and so much more  but when
that information is 

Re: [videoblogging] vlogweek '07 update

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Meiser
On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Jan, that's a better way of what I was trying to say.  Use all
 the main tagging services you can handle, not just one.

 I think we've fixed up the blogger-mf formatting, please let me/us know
 if you see something that looks goofy.

 The new changes related to tagging involve parsing the description,
 content and content:encoded of the rss item/post for rel=tag (this
 should be in everyone's workflow imho) as well as adding keywords from
 media:keywords, media:category and itunes:keywords.

how does blogger.com 2.0 specify it's new category system it calls
labels?  Do you know off hand?

 I was pretty surprised how many people don't tag their clips.

I was pretty suprised how many people do!  :)

 (...sorry sull, it's a very bad, bad morning...mea culpa?)

 --
 Devlon



 Jan McLaughlin wrote:
  Let's use all the tagging services (Blip, Mefeedia, Delicious, Technorati)
  and see which keeps track best.
 
  Take half a dozen vloggers who post every day of VBW and first thing 4/8
 run
  'em through the test mill with screenshots of the results
 
  Mefeedia's gonna have to do something outstanding to have me drag them
 back
  into my burgeoning workflow.
 
  It kinda lost me when the formatting from Blogger -- Mefeedia stopped
  translating well. I couldn't bear to look at the destruction the
 cross-post
  wrought.
 
  Do Mefeedia and Technorati read / recognize Blip's tags?
 
  Jan
 
  On 3/25/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey sull,
 
  That wasn't my point, and (that time) I wasn't even touting Mefeedia.
 
  I just remember all the fuss last year when technorati wasn't keeping up
  with the tags...and that I missed the discussion, was curious to hear
  what wonderous things had been discussed.
 
  Since we figured there might be a lapse in tag tracking this year, we
  have spent a bit of effort to see if we can keep up with
  Videobloggingweekand some of that effort has been in rounding out
  the tags that we parse from the rss post.  So, the short answer, is we
  track tags as they come in from the posts and also you can tag clips at
  Mefeedia.
 
  ...and you don't have to enlighten me on how this community works sull,
  I know all too well :)
 
  Thanks,
  Devlon
 
 
 
  sull wrote:
 
  I'd love to see more people get behind and support mefeedia.
  But this community doesnt work that way (not even the active 8%).
  And nor should they nec be groupies to a broad interpretation of Net
 
  Video
 
  Culture.
  It's not easy sustaining a community of people solely on the premise of
  technology adoption.
 
  Still, mefeedia will be involved with vbw07 in some way or another...
  Lists, Guides, tags
 
  Remind me, does mefeedia track tags from blog posts or do you have to
 
  tag
 
  stuff locally on mefeedia site?
 
  Sull
 
  On 3/24/07, Devlon Duthie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
Did I miss the discussion on depending on technorati this year for
  tracking our tags?
 
  -Devlon
 
  Josh Leo wrote:
 
 
  Ok folks, we are one week away from Videobloggingweek2007
 
  I usually don't do themes for videoblogging week, but i know it helps
 
 
  other
 
 
  people so lets knock out some ideas for themes adn then pick them. So
 
 
  far
 
 
  all I have seriously heard was the 7 deadly sins
 
  we have agreed on the technorati tag, now we need to nail out some
 
  other
 
  details.
 
  so what do we want videoblogging week to look like this year?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Yahoo! Groups Links
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Local TV Covers my Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Meiser
On 3/25/07, Mike Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I sent a comment to the Fox site asking for the link to the vlogger
 in the story or to post the link with the story. :)
 Now they did ask for my 5 digit zipcode... and well, I only know
 one... 90210.  :)

LOL!  You're diabolical Mike.. But what's with them asking for YOUR
zip code. I hope you did a quick lookup and gave them a zip from local
St. Louis though it shouldn't make a difference. :)

So... have they responded yet with the info?

-Mike

 Mike
 http://vlog.mikemoon.net

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  I think I got some traffic out of it but it's hard to track because
  they didn't actually link back to my vlog. Which was an oversight on
  the part of the web management people according to the reporter who
  did the piece--and they still haven't fixed it yet. It would have been
  nice to see it linked when the story was actually posted--especially
  since the anchor said on air that it would be linked after the story
  ran... morons.
 
  Bill Streeter
  LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
  www.lofistl.com
  www.billstreeter.net
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, groups-yahoo-com@ wrote:
  
   Wow, just wow.
  
   First, Congrats again bill!
  
   I wonder if you'll get more local viewers out of it?
  
   Second... flash... not windows media player, not real player... I can
   actually play it in my browser. Wow, we've come a long way in the last
   two years. Now all they need is some sharing features like source and
   a downloadable mp4 in their RSS feed so I can revlog it.
  
   Third... wow again... it's actually not BAD... in fact I don't want to
   go crazy but it's maybe even a good representation of vlogging.
  
   BTW, what was with the washed out colors... that was just weird...
   it's like the hole thing was digitized by putting a camera on the TV
   screen. The macintosh video was completely white. :)
  
   Finally, that hillary clinton video... I still haven't seen it... but
   what's funny is that WASN'T just some vlogger... it was created and
   then leaked by a PR guy at a major political PR firm that does work
   for Obama among others.  It's a complete misrepresentation of
   vlogging, but I just think it's funny. Mainstream media goes out to
   report on vlogging and ends up reporting on their own echo chamber.
   Are we even here?
  
   -Mike
   mmeiser.com/blog
   mefeedia.com
  
   On 3/24/07, Richard (Show) Hall richard@ wrote:
Bill,
   
This is really a nice news piece.
   
Congratulations, and good luck with your bungalow
   
... Richard
   
On 23 Mar 2007 05:02:47 -0700, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote:

   Our local Fox afiliate did a story about my vlog and vlogging in
 general last night. It's online now you can see it here:
 http://tinyurl.com/yvwjhw

 Bill Streeter
 LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
 www.lofistl.com
 www.billstreeter.net



   
   
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Let's Help The Others, As We Used To, To Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread Rupert
YAY!

i reckon you get what you come for.  despite some people knowing each  
other, it's not a personal space.

i think if you come here seeking tech knowledge, there's no better  
place to get it.

if you come here to give - to flex mental muscles, talk about online  
video in a wider sense or share knowledge - there's still no more  
satisfying place i think.  even if conversations tail off, get  
repeated, fragment, get distracted.  as sull suggests, there IS room  
for a space to develop innovative ideas and philosophize in a more  
focussed way, but that will take nothing away from this place.

if you come here to make friends, get in with people, or boost your  
vlog viewership, you're going to have problems because that's not  
what it's about and it's too chaotic and open to service anybody's  
ego or needs.  go to a meetup, or be yourself on your vlog and  
correspond with viewers, or email/IM/twitter with people offlist, or  
whatever.

sure there are lots of people who know each other and of course  
there's an aura of knowledge and experience around the folks who have  
been doing this for years, but i think it's 99% about knowledge and  
experience, not how cool you are.  and i think those people use this  
forum very responsibly, hardly ever to pal around and show off about  
their friendships in a Myspace/Youtube way (or like on a lot of other  
Groups).  i like writing a lot here at the moment, and i'm interested  
in a lot of what i read, but i don't expect anything personal from  
anybody.  what it is for me is a place to develop an interest about a  
specific thing that i can't do anywhere else, in real life or  
online.  i might get a vague sense of whether i'd get on with people  
if i ever met them outside this list - but that's for outside the list.

Rupert
http://www.fatgirlinohio.org
http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/

On 25 Mar 2007, at 17:50, ryanne hodson wrote:

i think the elitist label is bullshit.

i think this list is great
people are welcome to rant and rave
and get to the nitty gritty of online video
hell meiser and watkins post novels every day...

and it's insane how much people help each other tirelessly on this list
to figure out tech stuff.

i've been on other lists of videomakers
and people aren't nearly as helpful as on this list.
usually the answers/attitudes are just google it
or go find it on a message board

so i'd like to sing the praises of this group.

after visiting the cold harsh lists of other video groups
i gladly return to the videoblogging list for a passionate rant
and friendly fisticuffs daily. (ok it's more than that)

as for helping people
watkins are you holding any events?
are you getting people to videoblog?

i think the list you stated
is a good example of what people in this community are capable and  
willing
to create
and i think that's pretty fucking amazing.
and if you don't think that's enough
it's up to you (and anyone really)
to do something about it.

i love the videoblogging list
no matter how crazy it can get.

-ryanne

On 24 Mar 2007 16:55:12 -0700, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
 
  Cheers, although I dont actually think that stuff was a problem or
  really a reflection of any problems the group may have. I spend so
  much time here stating my opinions, that I cant really complain if
  anybody else ever states an opinion about me.
 
  I think its quite normal that people would maybe treat my opinions on
  vlogging differently if I actually vlogged a lot and they could 'see
  me' more. If I had ever had a sucessful web business then my opinions
  on other businesses might be taken differently by some, etc etc.  
And I
  can see why it might seem weird to spend so much time on a blogging
  group and reading and whining my opinions, when Im not blogging,
  vlogging or doing a business or even having all that much time to
  watch video.
 
  Anyways, I have been someone who moaned here and there about elitism
  or some other aspects of this group, but Ive also been fairly  
negative
  about possible alternatives. For me the group is healthy if opinions
  are diverse, so I wouldnt mind a few elitist comments here and there
  as it would reflect the fact there must be someone somewher who holds
  such views. Just so long as the whole group doesnt suffer from such
  things. Same with clique stuff, I think there may have been some
  tendencies towards this but it was never the whole group, it was
  clumps of people or even just one person using wording that might  
have
  sounded elitist, and maybe was or wasnt, it never usually got  
explored
  in depth, possibly because the label 'elitist' sounds negative so not
  many people think they are guilty of that.
 
  Some of the things that might put newcomers off this group are
  accidental or systemic, or chance. For example there are still  
threads
  people post that never get responded to. If its someone like me
  posting then it doesnt really matter because I post a 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Local TV Covers my Vlog

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Meiser
On 3/25/07, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think I got some traffic out of it but it's hard to track because
 they didn't actually link back to my vlog. Which was an oversight on
 the part of the web management people according to the reporter who
 did the piece--and they still haven't fixed it yet. It would have been
 nice to see it linked when the story was actually posted--especially
 since the anchor said on air that it would be linked after the story
 ran... morons.

All I can say is this is why I LOVE your intro... it's an infectious
and GOOD jingle that repeats your name both visually and audibly... lo
fi st. lous rock n roll rock n roll lo fi st. louis.

We must remember while all these high-tech things like URLS work in
the webby world in the video world it's all about the age old
cognitive issues... like naratives, story telling, melody, catchy
advertising jingles, repetition, branding and so on.

I think if someone saw the piece and were interested and even remotely
internet savy they'd be able to google you pretty quick with no
problem.

We've discussed brand here on the yahoo group before promting many
people to create their own domain names like michaelverdi.com or
yourname.com... or yourprimaryinterest.com and I'm glad to see most
people are pretty savy.

Also we've discussed always putting your domain name in the outro...
yet more great advice.

Perhaps now it's time to up the anti and discuss the value of DAMN
good intros.  Quite frankly... if I was a professional videographer...
and not just a tech geek who loves vlogs... I'd either make or hire
you and or chriss weagel to make me the best intro ever.

Chri's intro for his sister Sara's vlog Sara's Corner was perhaps
the best intro ever.

These intro's are important not just because they're memerable, but
because they remind people about what the vlog is about i.e rock n
roll, rock n roll or it's about me! Sarah! but because they remind
us of what we love best about these vlogs.

BTW!  The other aspect that I think comes across really well is it's
important to be the narrator and get in front of the camera... One of
the most obvious aspects of the news piece to me is that Bill Streeter
is this guy... and this is what he looks like... and this is what he
likes to do hall his drinking buddy around to shows and cover
unique and interesting people in St. Louis.

I do wonder... if you bill hadn't started appearing in front of the
camera on occassion in your shows would the local TV network have
bothered to call you.

I think people instinctually gravitate toward people they can identify
with.  And... while it's not for everyone... i.e. me... I do think
reporters, press, and everyday listeners will continue to tune in with
personalities... and not just shows.  Call it the Ze Frank effect...
I think his insane editing and exagerated focus on personality and
face time drives this point home like no other.  Even more so then
other popular shows like Ask A Ninga, or Rocketboom... Need I mention
Brookers or LisaNova... if the medium is the message, then the
messages is

new media is about PEOPLE stupid!

LOL

This goes for blogging and podcasting as well.

Oh, the power of a picture of your face on your profile / blog / video.

To recap...

1) domain name... always include your domain name somwehre visually in your vlog

2) intro... snappy short intros that emphasis what your vlog is about
and who you are... and the name of your vlog rule... because you can't
always expect people to remember a silly domain name... most people
have a cognitive aversion to remembering domain names.

3) get in front of the camera... if you dare... best thing you can do.

That about sums this email up.

Well... I'll shut up now.

-Mike

 Bill Streeter
 LO-FI SAINT LOUIS
 www.lofistl.com
 www.billstreeter.net

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Wow, just wow.
 
  First, Congrats again bill!
 
  I wonder if you'll get more local viewers out of it?
 
  Second... flash... not windows media player, not real player... I can
  actually play it in my browser. Wow, we've come a long way in the last
  two years. Now all they need is some sharing features like source and
  a downloadable mp4 in their RSS feed so I can revlog it.
 
  Third... wow again... it's actually not BAD... in fact I don't want to
  go crazy but it's maybe even a good representation of vlogging.
 
  BTW, what was with the washed out colors... that was just weird...
  it's like the hole thing was digitized by putting a camera on the TV
  screen. The macintosh video was completely white. :)
 
  Finally, that hillary clinton video... I still haven't seen it... but
  what's funny is that WASN'T just some vlogger... it was created and
  then leaked by a PR guy at a major political PR firm that does work
  for Obama among others.  It's a complete misrepresentation of
  vlogging, but I just think it's funny. Mainstream media goes out to
  report on vlogging and 

Re: [videoblogging] My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread Mike Meiser
Excuse me... but mother fucker!

This confirms all my suspicious about the massive waste of resources
and abuse of power that is the Patriot Act. You know this stuff goes
on but rarely does it hit so close to home or present itself in such
an obvous way.

Granted not all examples are so wastefull..  but this is the fucking
height of absuridity and abuse against free speech, civil rights, and
worst of all intellectual and artful cultural exploration.

It is now obvious that it was a completely politically motivated
attempt to use the NYPD's resources to silence opposing speech against
Bush and the RNC.  They obviously saw the publicity of bikes against
bush as some form of attractor, promotional, or escallating element
bringing attention to the RNC and anti-bush movement at a time when
the city wanted to reduce attention in the press of the subject matter
and play down activity.

We already know that the majority of all arrests from teh rallies and
the critical mass bike ride around this time were thrown out... that
they arrested people knowing full well they had no grounds purely to
hold them in jails for 48-72 hours until after the RNC.

The thing is they dirctly deprived you of your property and speech not
just around the RNC but for months and MONTHS afterwards by
confiscating and refusing to return your technology so you could
demonstrate and present on it...

This is particularly disturbng because it was a largely intellectual,
artful and largely positive endevor. Indeed it functions in a space
that Eyebeam and other artful and educational resources continue to
funciton well with-in right now.  I think you could in fact consider
it an attack on the educational system that is NYU/ITP (or was it
Parsons? I forget.)  Did the school back you in any of this? I'm
guessing not, but they should be backing up their students... they
should have provided some legal council to you. It is in fact they
that have lost our as much as you.

So... did the police actually stake you out and wait for an
opportunity to arrest you when they were on the street with your bike?
It's not clear from the information I've yet read, but it seems to
suggest they didn't simply happen upon you on the street.

We all knew the charge of vandalism was bunk... now we see that it was
not only bunk but that it may have been planned from the very
beginning.

It's begining to look like they literally staked you out and sent
someone to arrest you on trumped up charges if need be... not the case
of some officer bumping into you on the street as it had been
originally presented, even if questionably.

There's more than enough legal grounds and I hope you find a lawyer
who's interested in a conter suit... not for the money... in fact give
the lawyer all the money if need be... but to make a statement of this
event for all our sakes.  It's simply a disgusting abuse of power that
makes me worry about our future.

BTW, if they were possibly keeping an eye on you, how did they know
you'd be on the street talking to Michael Regan of Hardball?  Was it
by any chance pre-anounced?

Let's back up though with the questions.

Right now what I'd like is a completely synopsis somewhere where I can
link to it and blog about it.

I was going to recommend you try and summarize it all up in a blog
post, but I realize even for you the facts are evolving so I'd really
sggest an open wiki. Perhaps PBwiki?


My personal motivations are not so much in seeing some action come of
this... though I think you should contact a lawyer... but
intellectual.  I hope we can document the facts of this case so it can
be referred to and made presentable as a study for  bloggers,
activists, book writers, lawyers, journalists, professors.

I personally find it an extremely interesting case and would certainly
help gather the facts and details on a wiki. In fact I'll even start
the wiki if you give it you yourself will agree to help with the facts
and details. Indeed I think I should have hour enthusiastic blessing,
because without your input much of the detail will be lost and the
facts no doubt sketchy.

Is there anyone else here interested in this proposed project.

Speaking of which... I'm increasingly aware of the value in Josh
Wolf's legal points... they are at the very height of legal argument
today and in the coming years as the masses start shooting and sharing
videos...  that we and our cameras cannot and should not be turned
into the eyes and ears of an orwellian style government surveilence
system.

Does anyone know if there's an information resource on this in wiki form?

Maybe the place for this stuff might be on wikipedia in fact. If it's
going to go up on wikipedia though it cannot be presented as original
research it must in fact be footnoted and thoroughly referenced.
While much tougher I think it's far more worthwhile and useful to work
on wikipedia... I find the peer review process to be flexible enough,
and critical enough to be be worthwhile.

That's it from me 

[videoblogging] eBay suspension lifted! WS auction back online.

2007-03-25 Thread bottomunion
The Wreck  Salvage sponsorship auction is back online, finally. 
After a lot of faxed paperwork, and no formal explanation from anyone
at eBay as to why we were suspended, we're finally selling
sponsorships again.

http://www.wreckandsalvage.com/auction

It's is virtually impossible to talk to a live representative at eBay.
 They like to keep their customers at a virtual arm's length, and will
reply when they are damn well ready to, and no sooner.  All this being
said, we're happy the suspension was lifted.

It's dirt cheap right now, sorta stole our thunder.

Get it while the getting is good.



[videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Tim Street
So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet? 

Do you like it?

Have you watched Rocket Boom or Ask a Ninja on Apple TV?

Have you resized your videos to fit on Apple TV?

Has Steve Garfield figured out a way to broadcast live on Apple TV from his 
cell phone yet?




RE: [videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Robert Scoble
Yes. Yes. Yes. Didn't need to. Not sure, Steve?

 

:-)

 

Robert

 

  _  

From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Tim Street
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:49 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Apple TV

 

So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet? 

Do you like it?

Have you watched Rocket Boom or Ask a Ninja on Apple TV?

Have you resized your videos to fit on Apple TV?

Has Steve Garfield figured out a way to broadcast live on Apple TV from his
cell phone yet?

 



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[videoblogging] Re: My videoblogging roots and today's NYTimes article

2007-03-25 Thread mattfeldman78
i'd definitely be interested in helping out on this project.  i'm
really glad to see issues like this come up on this forum:)

Matt
neovids.tv

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Excuse me... but mother fucker!
 
 This confirms all my suspicious about the massive waste of resources
 and abuse of power that is the Patriot Act. You know this stuff goes
 on but rarely does it hit so close to home or present itself in such
 an obvous way.
 
 Granted not all examples are so wastefull..  but this is the fucking
 height of absuridity and abuse against free speech, civil rights, and
 worst of all intellectual and artful cultural exploration.
 
 It is now obvious that it was a completely politically motivated
 attempt to use the NYPD's resources to silence opposing speech against
 Bush and the RNC.  They obviously saw the publicity of bikes against
 bush as some form of attractor, promotional, or escallating element
 bringing attention to the RNC and anti-bush movement at a time when
 the city wanted to reduce attention in the press of the subject matter
 and play down activity.
 
 We already know that the majority of all arrests from teh rallies and
 the critical mass bike ride around this time were thrown out... that
 they arrested people knowing full well they had no grounds purely to
 hold them in jails for 48-72 hours until after the RNC.
 
 The thing is they dirctly deprived you of your property and speech not
 just around the RNC but for months and MONTHS afterwards by
 confiscating and refusing to return your technology so you could
 demonstrate and present on it...
 
 This is particularly disturbng because it was a largely intellectual,
 artful and largely positive endevor. Indeed it functions in a space
 that Eyebeam and other artful and educational resources continue to
 funciton well with-in right now.  I think you could in fact consider
 it an attack on the educational system that is NYU/ITP (or was it
 Parsons? I forget.)  Did the school back you in any of this? I'm
 guessing not, but they should be backing up their students... they
 should have provided some legal council to you. It is in fact they
 that have lost our as much as you.
 
 So... did the police actually stake you out and wait for an
 opportunity to arrest you when they were on the street with your bike?
 It's not clear from the information I've yet read, but it seems to
 suggest they didn't simply happen upon you on the street.
 
 We all knew the charge of vandalism was bunk... now we see that it was
 not only bunk but that it may have been planned from the very
 beginning.
 
 It's begining to look like they literally staked you out and sent
 someone to arrest you on trumped up charges if need be... not the case
 of some officer bumping into you on the street as it had been
 originally presented, even if questionably.
 
 There's more than enough legal grounds and I hope you find a lawyer
 who's interested in a conter suit... not for the money... in fact give
 the lawyer all the money if need be... but to make a statement of this
 event for all our sakes.  It's simply a disgusting abuse of power that
 makes me worry about our future.
 
 BTW, if they were possibly keeping an eye on you, how did they know
 you'd be on the street talking to Michael Regan of Hardball?  Was it
 by any chance pre-anounced?
 
 Let's back up though with the questions.
 
 Right now what I'd like is a completely synopsis somewhere where I can
 link to it and blog about it.
 
 I was going to recommend you try and summarize it all up in a blog
 post, but I realize even for you the facts are evolving so I'd really
 sggest an open wiki. Perhaps PBwiki?
 
 
 My personal motivations are not so much in seeing some action come of
 this... though I think you should contact a lawyer... but
 intellectual.  I hope we can document the facts of this case so it can
 be referred to and made presentable as a study for  bloggers,
 activists, book writers, lawyers, journalists, professors.
 
 I personally find it an extremely interesting case and would certainly
 help gather the facts and details on a wiki. In fact I'll even start
 the wiki if you give it you yourself will agree to help with the facts
 and details. Indeed I think I should have hour enthusiastic blessing,
 because without your input much of the detail will be lost and the
 facts no doubt sketchy.
 
 Is there anyone else here interested in this proposed project.
 
 Speaking of which... I'm increasingly aware of the value in Josh
 Wolf's legal points... they are at the very height of legal argument
 today and in the coming years as the masses start shooting and sharing
 videos...  that we and our cameras cannot and should not be turned
 into the eyes and ears of an orwellian style government surveilence
 system.
 
 Does anyone know if there's an information resource on this in wiki
form?
 
 Maybe the place for this stuff might be on wikipedia in fact. If it's
 going to go up on 

[videoblogging] Youtube / vbweek07

2007-03-25 Thread Rupert
So I just interrupted an interesting conversation on Twitter about  
whether this group is discriminating against the millions of  
YouTubers - are we informing them about videobloggingweek07?

Obviously, they can tag their videos, but do any of them even know  
about it?  The thrust of the question was, do we have an attitude of  
If It's Not Here, It's Not Real?

I said I didn't think most people had that attitude - but it seemed  
to me that rather than it being about us rejecting youtubers, that  
it's more a question of most youtubers not being interested in what  
we do because the idea of this forum is irrelevant to them.  they  
have their tech needs taken care of, and they have brand identity   
loyalty that gets in the way of them wanting to be part of a group of  
independent videobloggers.

so my point was that the discrimination (for want of a better word)  
is on their part.  but actually maybe it cuts both ways.

we say we're open to them, but actually we know that the majority of  
what's discussed here is academic or alien to them and so they won't  
join in.  we don't reach out to them, we just let it lie.  a sin of  
omission, rather than commission.

when we have an event like vbloggingweek, surely the onus is on those  
who know about it to market it to those who don't, rather than on  
them to break their habits and come beyond their walls.  that way we  
will get more varied responses from the minority of YT users to whom  
it would appeal but who otherwise wouldn't hear about it.  i'm all  
for that.

there are 43 videos tagged for videobloggingweek06 on the whole of  
Youtube.  Nothing for 07 under any variety of searches, and it's just  
a few days away.  Josh Leo, you are a YouTube hero and VB week  
promoter... can you trail it to your zillion viewers?? :-)

surely it's too big a pool of people to not reach out to?

Rupert
http://www.fatgirlinohio.org
http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/






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Re: [videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Gary Rosenzweig
On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?

Just vlogged about it at MacMost.com:
http://macmost.com/blog/video-tutorials/appletv-first-look/7/


-- 
Gary Rosenzweig
CleverMedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


[videoblogging] The MSNBC story about Twitter

2007-03-25 Thread tony.katz
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17787810/

All about the rise and the future of Twitter.  The best is saved for last, when 
the article 
credits the technology bloggers at SXSW for making Twitter so popular.

I'm pretty sure that technology bloggers means the majority of people in this 
group.yes?


Tony Katz
http://www.talkshowonthego.com
http://www.aweli.com



Re: [videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread J. Rhett Aultman
What resolution should we be resizing to if we want to work with Apple TV?

Gary Rosenzweig wrote:

On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?



Just vlogged about it at MacMost.com:
http://macmost.com/blog/video-tutorials/appletv-first-look/7/


  




[videoblogging] Re: Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Tim Street

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304974



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What resolution should we be resizing to if we want to work with Apple TV?
 
 Gary Rosenzweig wrote:
 
 On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 
 So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?
 
 
 
 Just vlogged about it at MacMost.com:
 http://macmost.com/blog/video-tutorials/appletv-first-look/7/
 
 
   
 





Re: [videoblogging] Re: Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Rupert
iTunes Store purchased video: 320 by 240 pixels or 640 by 480  
pixels.  Neither of which are widescreen, unless letterboxed.

320x240 must look not-very-great stretched out on a screen, unless  
it's played at original size on black bg?  Is it?

640x480 probably looks OK, does it - still a bit pixellated?

Largest it'll take is 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps (why 24? PAL is  
25, NTSC is 30)
or 960 by 540 pixels at 30 fps

both of which must produce large file sizes?

What's the best compromise?  What mixes minimal distortion and file  
size?

And how does it display non-widescreen video - with a left and right  
'letterbox' or does it let TV handle that?

Rupert
http://www.fatgirlinohio.org
http://www.crowdabout.us/fatgirlinohio/myshow/

On 26 Mar 2007, at 01:11, Tim Street wrote:


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304974

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, J. Rhett Aultman [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
 
  What resolution should we be resizing to if we want to work with  
Apple TV?
 
  Gary Rosenzweig wrote:
 
  On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?
  
  
  
  Just vlogged about it at MacMost.com:
  http://macmost.com/blog/video-tutorials/appletv-first-look/7/
  
  
  
  
 






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[videoblogging] Re: Research into Videoblogging and Videoblogs - call for help

2007-03-25 Thread Adrian Miles
around the 25/3/07 trine bjørkmann berry 
mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Research into 
Videoblogging and Videobl that:
me already, I've sent the questions along from my university email, so
hopefully they've not got lost into anyone's spam filters.

Also, if anyone's intersted in helping out, I am still looking for
volunteers, so drop me a line.

happy to participate
-- 
cheers
Adrian Miles
this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x]
vogmae.net.au


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Research into Videoblogging and Videoblogs - call for help

2007-03-25 Thread RANDY MANN
sounds like fun,

give me a list

randy

On 25 Mar 2007 17:50:37 -0700, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

   around the 25/3/07 trine bjørkmann berry
 mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: Research into
 Videoblogging and Videobl that:
 me already, I've sent the questions along from my university email, so
 hopefully they've not got lost into anyone's spam filters.
 
 Also, if anyone's intersted in helping out, I am still looking for
 volunteers, so drop me a line.

 happy to participate
 --
 cheers
 Adrian Miles
 this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x]
 vogmae.net.au
  



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[videoblogging] Re: Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Bill Streeter
The real question is have you watched LO-FI SAINT LOUIS on Apple TV
yet?  Huh? Didn't think so. 

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet? 
 
 Do you like it?
 
 Have you watched Rocket Boom or Ask a Ninja on Apple TV?
 
 Have you resized your videos to fit on Apple TV?
 
 Has Steve Garfield figured out a way to broadcast live on Apple TV
from his cell phone yet?





Re: [videoblogging] Youtube / vbweek07

2007-03-25 Thread Jay dedman
  when we have an event like vbloggingweek, surely the onus is on those
  who know about it to market it to those who don't, rather than on
  them to break their habits and come beyond their walls.  that way we
  will get more varied responses from the minority of YT users to whom
  it would appeal but who otherwise wouldn't hear about it.  i'm all
  for that.
  there are 43 videos tagged for videobloggingweek06 on the whole of
  Youtube.  Nothing for 07 under any variety of searches, and it's just
  a few days away.  Josh Leo, you are a YouTube hero and VB week
  promoter... can you trail it to your zillion viewers?? :-)
  surely it's too big a pool of people to not reach out to?

this is absolutely a good idea.
perfect time for someone to step up and make a promo video.

as you say...i dont think anyone here discriminates against youtubers.
our communities just have different tech needs and interests.
but in the end...we're all making video.

who has time to make some promos videos for VideoBlogging Week 2007 for Youtube?

By the way...we're planning a pretty cool event this Saturday in SF to
kick of the rest of the week.
more details to come.

Jay



-- 
Here I am
http://jaydedman.com

Check out the latest project:
http://pixelodeonfest.com/
Webvideo festival this June


Re: [videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread sull
I'm getting more interested since my friend blogged this point


http://videothing.blogspot.com/2007/03/quicktime-gains-720p-apple-tv-high.html


other links he blogged, of interest...


http://videothing.blogspot.com/2007/03/macworld-video-macworld-video-exploring.html



On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?

 Do you like it?

 Have you watched Rocket Boom or Ask a Ninja on Apple TV?

 Have you resized your videos to fit on Apple TV?

 Has Steve Garfield figured out a way to broadcast live on Apple TV from
 his cell phone yet?

  



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Re: [videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread sull
also noteworthy via Zadi:

http://zadidiaz.com/blog/2007/03/jetset_on_appletv.html

sull

On 3/26/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm getting more interested since my friend blogged this point

 http://videothing.blogspot.com/2007/03/quicktime-gains-720p-apple-tv-high.html
 

 other links he blogged, of interest...

 http://videothing.blogspot.com/2007/03/macworld-video-macworld-video-exploring.html
 


 On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?
 
  Do you like it?
 
  Have you watched Rocket Boom or Ask a Ninja on Apple TV?
 
  Have you resized your videos to fit on Apple TV?
 
  Has Steve Garfield figured out a way to broadcast live on Apple TV from
  his cell phone yet?
 
   
 




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[videoblogging] Re: Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread ssukotto

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 also noteworthy via Zadi:

 http://zadidiaz.com/blog/2007/03/jetset_on_appletv.html

 sull

 On 3/26/07, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm getting more interested since my friend blogged this point
 
 
http://videothing.blogspot.com/2007/03/quicktime-gains-720p-apple-tv-hi\
gh.html
  
 
  other links he blogged, of interest...
 
 
http://videothing.blogspot.com/2007/03/macworld-video-macworld-video-ex\
ploring.html
  
 
 
  On 3/25/07, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 So has anyone got your mits on an Apple TV yet?
  
   Do you like it?
  
   Have you watched Rocket Boom or Ask a Ninja on Apple TV?
  
   Have you resized your videos to fit on Apple TV?
  
   Has Steve Garfield figured out a way to broadcast live on Apple TV
from
   his cell phone yet?
  
  
  
 
 


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Re: [videoblogging] Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread Ryan Ozawa
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I got my Apple TV on Friday. I'm liking it a lot. I've had a HDTV set for a
few months but don't have HD service, so the Apple TV is the best looking
video source in the house.  It's only a matter of time before Apple sells
HD content direct, but I've downloaded HD video podcasts and they look
great.  The only compression artifacts, I think, come from what the creator
has to do to not have impossibly huge files and bandwidth bills.

My first impressions blogged here:

http://www.lightfantastic.org/imr/extras/weblog/archives/004649.html

Ryan


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[videoblogging] Re: Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread ssukotto
Here's the current text on encoding for iPod / Apple TV, from a
forthcoming version of the podcasting technical spec. Details may
change slightly, so check the technical spec page for anything new:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html

=

Formatting Video for the iPod or Apple TV

Although iTunes can play a variety of .mp4, .m4v, and .mov video
formats, Apple TV and the iPod require more specific formats.
The iPod supports up to 640x480, while Apple TV supports up to
1280x720. To optimize for both platforms, we recommend that your
source file is at least 640 pixels wide and that you use the built-in
iPod converters in Compressor (H.264 for iPod), QuickTime Pro
(Movie to iPod) or iTunes (Convert Selection for iPod). Each of
these maintains the aspect ration of your source file and results in
an M4V file containing H.264 video (Low Complexity version of the
Baseline profile) and AAC-LC audio. 

If you want to maximize the screen area of a wide-screen TV, your
source file should have an aspect ratio of 16:9 (e.g., 640x360). If
you want to maximize the screen area on the iPod, your source file
should have an aspect ratio of 4:3 (e.g., 640x480).

Because it uses H.264 Main Profile, QuickTime Pro's Movie to Apple
TV converter will result in a video that will not sync with the iPod.

Refer to the specifications below if you are not using the built-in
converters in Compressor, QuickTime Pro, or iTunes.
iPod can play the following video formats:

   * H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 x 480, 30 frames per sec.,
Low-Complexity version of the Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to
160 kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
   * H.264 video, up to 768 kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec.,
Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 kbps, 48
Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
   * MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 x 480, 30 frames per sec.,
Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio
in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

Apple TV can display H.264 video, up to 5mbps, 1280x720, 24 fps,
Progressive Main Profile. Apple TV supports AAC-LC audio up to 320
Kbps. The gating factors for video are bit rate and frame rate. The
following are some sample conversions generated by the QuickTime Pro
when choosing Movie to Apple TV:

Input   Output
640x480, 30fps  640x480, 30fps, 3mbps*
1280x720 24fps  1280x720, 24p 5mbps*
1280x720, 30fps 960x540, 30fps 4mbps*
1920x1080, 24fps1280x720, 24fps 5mbps*
1920x1080, 30fps960x540, 30fps 4mbps*
1080i up to 60fps   960x540, 30fps 4mbps*
* Represents an average bit rate.

=

-Scott



[videoblogging] Re: Apple TV

2007-03-25 Thread ssukotto
Here's the current text on encoding for iPod / Apple TV, from a
forthcoming version of the podcasting technical spec. Details may
change slightly, so check the technical spec page for anything new:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html

=

Formatting Video for the iPod or Apple TV

Although iTunes can play a variety of .mp4, .m4v, and .mov video
formats, Apple TV and the iPod require more specific formats.
The iPod supports up to 640x480, while Apple TV supports up to
1280x720. To optimize for both platforms, we recommend that your
source file is at least 640 pixels wide and that you use the built-in
iPod converters in Compressor (H.264 for iPod), QuickTime Pro
(Movie to iPod) or iTunes (Convert Selection for iPod). Each of
these maintains the aspect ration of your source file and results in
an M4V file containing H.264 video (Low Complexity version of the
Baseline profile) and AAC-LC audio. 

If you want to maximize the screen area of a wide-screen TV, your
source file should have an aspect ratio of 16:9 (e.g., 640x360). If
you want to maximize the screen area on the iPod, your source file
should have an aspect ratio of 4:3 (e.g., 640x480).

Because it uses H.264 Main Profile, QuickTime Pro's Movie to Apple
TV converter will result in a video that will not sync with the iPod.

Refer to the specifications below if you are not using the built-in
converters in Compressor, QuickTime Pro, or iTunes.
iPod can play the following video formats:

   * H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 x 480, 30 frames per sec.,
Low-Complexity version of the Baseline Profile with AAC-LC audio up to
160 kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
   * H.264 video, up to 768 kbps, 320 x 240, 30 frames per sec.,
Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 kbps, 48
Khz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats
   * MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 x 480, 30 frames per sec.,
Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 kbps, 48 Khz, stereo audio
in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

Apple TV can display H.264 video, up to 5mbps, 1280x720, 24 fps,
Progressive Main Profile. Apple TV supports AAC-LC audio up to 320
Kbps. The gating factors for video are bit rate and frame rate. The
following are some sample conversions generated by the QuickTime Pro
when choosing Movie to Apple TV:

Input   Output
640x480, 30fps  640x480, 30fps, 3mbps*
1280x720 24fps  1280x720, 24p 5mbps*
1280x720, 30fps 960x540, 30fps 4mbps*
1920x1080, 24fps1280x720, 24fps 5mbps*
1920x1080, 30fps960x540, 30fps 4mbps*
1080i up to 60fps   960x540, 30fps 4mbps*
* Represents an average bit rate.

=

-Scott