Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Saying sex sells is only a small part of a longstanding and more comprehensive theory in advertising that creating a somewhat realistic aspirational arrival point for an audience is what sells. This is why we have women presenting on many of these shows that are good looking, but more within reach for male audiences than a runway model would be. The idea that these male viewers have somewhat of a chance keeps eyes on the screen, or at least encourages the eyes to return to the screen. When looking across the advertising spectrum and into more general interest brands that run across demographics, you see that this theory has manifested in more diverse ways than the proliferation of sexuality. There's nothing overtly or covertly sexual in Apple's marketing of the iPod, for example, but there is something overtly sexy about how an iPod is marketed. I personally think it's a bit silly to keep repeating the girl-tells-us-about-tech model over and over, lazily avoiding the development of new audiences. I'd love to get some research on this, but I hypothesize that these types of shows (Webb Alert, Geekbrief, etc. Rocketboom is a bit different because there's more of a hipster demo going on there) are being watched by the same slowly-growing crowd. I am looking forward to seeing who's going to be brave enough to throw away or at least expand on the girl-on-a-screen model when it comes to tech reporting on the web, creating a larger market than the present niche by providing aspirational arrival points for more than just males, primarily 18-25, maybe 35. These shows have mastered a niche, but have are not bringing other niches to the table as building blocks to a larger and more general audience. Entities that appeal to women, especially young women, and the heavy-spending and freetime-rich baby boomers as they retire at increasing rates will do the best. Repeating the same model just because it's been successful before will not do that. And for Jason I get your response and agree with much of what you say. But I think you also get that creating a context in which achieving what you outlined in your response can live by explain exactly what you did in response to me is very important, albeit easily forgotten tedious at times. On 13/11/2007, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike I was flip, but sex is what does sell, in advertising, etc. However, once it is sold, what are you bringign. Not just sex, but a service. You must give some nutrition with dessert, and once you bring people into the community, listen, get involved, and ultimately lead. This is a good discussion D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't listen to Daniel McVicar. :) Sorry daniel. Sex sells is B.S. If you want a genuine audience... an audience of makers, participators and creators... like maholo fundamentally needs to survive... you're downplay the overt sexiness of Veronica, and up-play her obvious street cred. Veronica should go all out and be the geek and gaming girl she was born to be... not put on the tight fitting shirt and dumb herself down. This is much like the youtube issue earlier. Youtube courts a lot of non-genuine traffic... people there for the crowd and spectacle... people who leave assinine comments and wouldn't watch your show if it wasn't the most popular video of the day. This is VERY often seen amongst many top youtube people. 500,000 hits on one video 11,000 on the next. In the racing world you're only as good as your last race... in the youtube world your only really as big as your least viewed video. That is more reflective of your real audience. In order for maholo to survive it must tap into that culture of creators, makers, participators... communicators. -Mike On 11/12/07, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jason Your view level is pretty good, your show looks very good. If you want more views, put it across the board on multiple servers and hosts. You'd be surprised at how many you can get at Daily Motion. You may also experiment with short sweet and sexy promos. Across the board. Sex is what attracts attention the most, the hook is something that you have an instinct for. Then, as a daily show, you are a service, liek Rocketboom, more than a brand like French Maid TV. Your audience will find a certain comfort in watching the videos daily. What I enjoyed with The Late Nite Mash experiment was a surprise to me...coming from audience counting media. It was the collaboration that I found online and in the community. All the best with your show. Daniel --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Jason McCabe Calacanis jason@ wrote: We launched Mahalo Daily with Veronica Belmont last week as some of you might know. You can find the
Re: [videoblogging] ffmpeg for audio
I hope you're perfectly aware that ffmpeg can easily convert between audio formats as it does video? ffmpeg -i something.mp3 -acodec vorbis something.ogg for example, you can research the other options available for audio.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
As usual, Mr. Taylor, you bring up the proper questions. Who in this space deals with Boomer women? Nobody. Yet. We Boomer chicks got time and money and talent ripe for pickin'. Automakers begin to get *that point. Katie Couric and The View type hosts don't suck me and my generation in. What will? Not tits, that's for sure :) My point about tits is that audiences have to evolve (thanks for using the word, Meiser) in order to appreciate how vulnerable they are to manipulation based on the breast and get beyond it. Getting beyond the animal impulse is a good thing and will set you free. Unfortunately, being free is devalued these days. I envision a Boomer community based around teaching / learning / sharing all the creative digital tools of the trade (audio / video) whereby the Boomers can get their strut on creatively and support one another in the process. Using tits to sell is like shooting fish in a barrel; where's the challenge in it? Off to work. Jan On 11/13/07, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying sex sells is only a small part of a longstanding and more comprehensive theory in advertising that creating a somewhat realistic aspirational arrival point for an audience is what sells. This is why we have women presenting on many of these shows that are good looking, but more within reach for male audiences than a runway model would be. The idea that these male viewers have somewhat of a chance keeps eyes on the screen, or at least encourages the eyes to return to the screen. When looking across the advertising spectrum and into more general interest brands that run across demographics, you see that this theory has manifested in more diverse ways than the proliferation of sexuality. There's nothing overtly or covertly sexual in Apple's marketing of the iPod, for example, but there is something overtly sexy about how an iPod is marketed. I personally think it's a bit silly to keep repeating the girl-tells-us-about-tech model over and over, lazily avoiding the development of new audiences. I'd love to get some research on this, but I hypothesize that these types of shows (Webb Alert, Geekbrief, etc. Rocketboom is a bit different because there's more of a hipster demo going on there) are being watched by the same slowly-growing crowd. I am looking forward to seeing who's going to be brave enough to throw away or at least expand on the girl-on-a-screen model when it comes to tech reporting on the web, creating a larger market than the present niche by providing aspirational arrival points for more than just males, primarily 18-25, maybe 35. These shows have mastered a niche, but have are not bringing other niches to the table as building blocks to a larger and more general audience. Entities that appeal to women, especially young women, and the heavy-spending and freetime-rich baby boomers as they retire at increasing rates will do the best. Repeating the same model just because it's been successful before will not do that. And for Jason I get your response and agree with much of what you say. But I think you also get that creating a context in which achieving what you outlined in your response can live by explain exactly what you did in response to me is very important, albeit easily forgotten tedious at times. On 13/11/2007, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike I was flip, but sex is what does sell, in advertising, etc. However, once it is sold, what are you bringign. Not just sex, but a service. You must give some nutrition with dessert, and once you bring people into the community, listen, get involved, and ultimately lead. This is a good discussion D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't listen to Daniel McVicar. :) Sorry daniel. Sex sells is B.S. If you want a genuine audience... an audience of makers, participators and creators... like maholo fundamentally needs to survive... you're downplay the overt sexiness of Veronica, and up-play her obvious street cred. Veronica should go all out and be the geek and gaming girl she was born to be... not put on the tight fitting shirt and dumb herself down. This is much like the youtube issue earlier. Youtube courts a lot of non-genuine traffic... people there for the crowd and spectacle... people who leave assinine comments and wouldn't watch your show if it wasn't the most popular video of the day. This is VERY often seen amongst many top youtube people. 500,000 hits on one video 11,000 on the next. In the racing world you're only as good as your last race... in the youtube world your only really as big as your least viewed video. That is more reflective of your real audience. In order for maholo to survive it must tap into that culture of creators, makers, participators... communicators. -Mike
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Thanks for the reply. I am guilty of always failing to state the positive aspects of my beliefs, so for example I do think Andrew Baron has some great ideas, some vision, the ability to make some good stuff etc etc. And I like dreamers, I guess I just get annoyed by certain dreams, or the gulf between reality and hype. Yeah I think NextNewNetworks has some potential, they are building a network of many shows, which seems like alogical starting point. My strongest venom in this area was reserved for network2.tv, simply because it was a half-assed attempt, and because of the tone they initially used when 'interfacing' with video creators. Speaking of which, Chris Brogan seems to have moved on from pulvermedia, sincere good luck to him despite all the unpleasant things I said about/to him at the time. Cheers for the thoughts on advertising. Oh I did just notice that in an April WSJ article, Andrew mentioned that he 'seeded his audience' using this videoblogging group. Wonder how much that technique is still used :D Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jason McCabe Calacanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The audio version was a disaster... the amount of noise was crazy. Some folks like the spirited debate between me the Baron, some folks didn't... i thought is fun! :-) And the Murdoch comments were nothing compared to the brief moment at the end of 2006 and start of 2007 where a few 'would be media moguls' stated their aspirations in even more ott fashion, only for those plans to wither away without much fanfare or explanation. No comment. I got rather passionate about such things at the time, disgusted by the idea that a new breed of gatekeepers were trying to bring themselves into existence, because that seemed like it would destroy some of the things that make blogging and vlogging have such potential. So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didnt seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. I actually think he's a hard working, smart guy... he created something unique at a unique time. I admire him for having big aspirations and who knows, some day he might become Murdoch. I mean, it could happen. That being said, I think the folks who got in blogging and podcasting first got to grab a lot of land and look really smart when the value went up myself included. When there were only two gadget blogs it was easy to be #1 or #2... today? Well, today there are 500+ gadget related blogs. In a strange way Im sort of sad that nothing much has happened, I was looking forward to seeing what would occur. I imagine to witness the emergence of a potential mogul of the new media world, we need a far more ruthless character with an iron will, and a plan that is more detail than dream, to give it a go. None of the a- list/controvertial/opinionated/whatever characters, or your confrontations, live up to the hype. I think you'll see some of the video network folks make a go of it... Rev3 and NextNewNetworks seem to have solid models of controlling show costs while keeping value high--and publishing on a regular basis. Regarding Mahalo and promotion, I would like to know stuff about promotion options that are well beyond the reach of the individual or those with more modest funding etc. Do you ever consider advertising in traditional mass media? I don't believe in buying advertising for startup companies... I've always believed that if you make the best product in your space the world will find it. I'm probably making a mistake in that belief, but it's worked for me for a while now so I'm going to stick with it. When I have someone call me and say buy a $200,000 advertising buy and we'll send you 10,000 folks a day for the next six months I think to myself... hmmm... maybe we could find someone uber talented and put a couple of talented people around them and make a show that will bring in 10x. Plus, if you own the show it grows forever... so, it's much better deal for us to build a great show then give the money to some radio station or website to send us some transient traffic. If we do 250 shows over the next year and they each get 500 views in the archive on average that's like 100k+ people a day visiting the site. That's really cool... the asset value of archives is going to be great I think. Own your master tapes if you're going to do a deal with PodShow or PodTech or Rev3 if you can :-) best j
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Im still waiting for anybody at my job to have even heard of rocketboom, or any other net video show. So this, coupled with the excitement advertisers have shown in recent decades for targeting a young demographic, may be responsible for the lack of attention to completely different segments? The boomers are starting to retire, which I guess will give them more time to be a potential viewer, at the expense of some disposable income. God I really ish there was more diversity. I want more average looking people to be fronting the shows, Im tired of the stereotypical beauty, its getting ugly fast. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual, Mr. Taylor, you bring up the proper questions. Who in this space deals with Boomer women? Nobody. Yet. We Boomer chicks got time and money and talent ripe for pickin'. Automakers begin to get *that point. Katie Couric and The View type hosts don't suck me and my generation in. What will? Not tits, that's for sure :) My point about tits is that audiences have to evolve (thanks for using the word, Meiser) in order to appreciate how vulnerable they are to manipulation based on the breast and get beyond it. Getting beyond the animal impulse is a good thing and will set you free. Unfortunately, being free is devalued these days. I envision a Boomer community based around teaching / learning / sharing all the creative digital tools of the trade (audio / video) whereby the Boomers can get their strut on creatively and support one another in the process. Using tits to sell is like shooting fish in a barrel; where's the challenge in it? Off to work. Jan On 11/13/07, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying sex sells is only a small part of a longstanding and more comprehensive theory in advertising that creating a somewhat realistic aspirational arrival point for an audience is what sells. This is why we have women presenting on many of these shows that are good looking, but more within reach for male audiences than a runway model would be. The idea that these male viewers have somewhat of a chance keeps eyes on the screen, or at least encourages the eyes to return to the screen. When looking across the advertising spectrum and into more general interest brands that run across demographics, you see that this theory has manifested in more diverse ways than the proliferation of sexuality. There's nothing overtly or covertly sexual in Apple's marketing of the iPod, for example, but there is something overtly sexy about how an iPod is marketed. I personally think it's a bit silly to keep repeating the girl-tells-us-about-tech model over and over, lazily avoiding the development of new audiences. I'd love to get some research on this, but I hypothesize that these types of shows (Webb Alert, Geekbrief, etc. Rocketboom is a bit different because there's more of a hipster demo going on there) are being watched by the same slowly-growing crowd. I am looking forward to seeing who's going to be brave enough to throw away or at least expand on the girl-on-a-screen model when it comes to tech reporting on the web, creating a larger market than the present niche by providing aspirational arrival points for more than just males, primarily 18-25, maybe 35. These shows have mastered a niche, but have are not bringing other niches to the table as building blocks to a larger and more general audience. Entities that appeal to women, especially young women, and the heavy-spending and freetime-rich baby boomers as they retire at increasing rates will do the best. Repeating the same model just because it's been successful before will not do that. And for Jason I get your response and agree with much of what you say. But I think you also get that creating a context in which achieving what you outlined in your response can live by explain exactly what you did in response to me is very important, albeit easily forgotten tedious at times. On 13/11/2007, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike I was flip, but sex is what does sell, in advertising, etc. However, once it is sold, what are you bringign. Not just sex, but a service. You must give some nutrition with dessert, and once you bring people into the community, listen, get involved, and ultimately lead. This is a good discussion D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: And don't listen to Daniel McVicar. :) Sorry daniel. Sex sells is B.S. If you want a genuine audience... an audience of makers, participators and creators... like maholo fundamentally needs to survive... you're downplay the overt sexiness of Veronica, and up-play her obvious street cred. Veronica should go all out
Re: [videoblogging] Re: writer's strike - what can we do?
I wonder if ANYBODY believes the 'there's no money in it yet' line. Disgusting lies to avoid having to pay people their dues. Roll on the end of the strike and the inevitable deal that the studios are going to have to cut with the writers over online revenues. The writers will probably get stiffed - they always do. But perhaps having a few months without writers will convince the studios that they're not just an abundant commodity, they're the raw material. No, probably not. In any event, once it's all settled and the studios don't have to posture to protect their position, which they've obviously been doing for a while, then the studios will be able to stop pretending that there's no money in it and things will start moving a lot faster. Then the gatekeepers will finally do what they've been waiting to do - design and sell TiVo style boxes that allow people to access internet TV through their TVs, but with channel guides that prioritise existing giant media corporations, and overlaid pre-roll advertising that you can't fast forward through. The general public - your mums and dads - will be amazed and happy that they can have access to reruns of Everybody Likes Raymond on demand for only $1.99 per episode direct from their couch. And the future will be business as usual, except for a few freaks like us who want to watch films on their computers. Blah. I find the whole thing pretty depressing. Who wants to make a more open TV box, get to market first? Then watch it not sell, while the Fox Box makes billions. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 13 Nov 2007, at 00:14, Steve Watkins wrote: I dont know what to do, but I did just stumble upon this: http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-media-money-keynote-interview- with-michael- eisner/ I suppose I shouldnt be surprised at Eisner's view, coming from Disney or wherever it was, but as he's involved with Veoh, and so talks about things from the 'there's no money in it yet' perspective we know so well, it seemed sort of interesting. Not that I think that argument holds too much water, if theres no money in it right now that shouldnt affect the ability to set a %age, eg 5% of nothing is nothing, but later it could be something, and that would be fair? Is the only time companies reverse their ype about how well they are doing when those who do the work come asking for a fair share? Pt. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Rein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey what can i tell people to do anyway - to try to help the writers? Write to the big media companies demanding they give them a percentage? I like to let people know how to get involved and help, if they wish. Here I'm not sure what to do. thanks! lisa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didn't seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. AH YES!!! Its all about power, mwahahahahaha! But what kind of Power did you say!? A DIFFERENT kind?? M I like the sound of this . . . . A NEW kind of Power! BETTER THAN MONEY!!! Speaking of power Steve, I dare you to not respond to a single thread on this list. Ill bet you can't do it in under 5000 words. Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
BTW, Rocketboom is in it's 4th year now and for awhile I felt as though I was falling behind do to getting stuck in the lawsuit with Amanda (just ended 2 months ago), and not being able to get a network up and running like the other shows did such as Adam Curry's, Diggnation and Frederator. But now that that's all over and Rocketboom is 100% free, in retrospect, Im so glad that it didn't happen because these networks are doing it all wrong, I think. I would of likely been doing the same thing that they are doing too. Most people who know me know I haven't slept or vacationed in years because I keep running to get to the next step. We haven't relented, but we are no longer racing against the environment. Rocketboom is not a Web 2.0 business, its a media business and media will be around for a long time. WIth this in mind, and whereas the other networks have only one breadwinner and a lot of draggers, we have decided to go at our own pace in order to make sure that show #2 is just as important if not more important than #1. On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Whats really so bad about twit 57 anyway? I tried to listen to twit once and couldnt take it, but I just watched the video version of twit 57 all the way through. Sure, there were some moments where too many people talking at once wasnt good, but I found the show interesting. Unless the video version is edited, I didnt spot any legendary row, just a mildly spirited discussion, which was fairly revealing and thus interesting. And the Murdoch comments were nothing compared to the brief moment at the end of 2006 and start of 2007 where a few 'would be media moguls' stated their aspirations in even more ott fashion, only for those plans to wither away without much fanfare or explanation. I got rather passionate about such things at the time, disgusted by the idea that a new breed of gatekeepers were trying to bring themselves into existence, because that seemed like it would destroy some of the things that make blogging and vlogging have such potential. So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didnt seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. In a strange way Im sort of sad that nothing much has happened, I was looking forward to seeing what would occur. I imagine to witness the emergence of a potential mogul of the new media world, we need a far more ruthless character with an iron will, and a plan that is more detail than dream, to give it a go. None of the a- list/controvertial/opinionated/whatever characters, or your confrontations, live up to the hype. Perhaps the new media dominator must also have a good sense of timing, and will wait till things grow, and a lot of people do the hard work, before making their move. 2007, not what was expected, and as I said before I think the wobbly economy could make 2008 a year of shattered dreams, for those who couldnt keep their dreams to a realistic size. Long live the sustainable ones, with their feet on the ground! Regarding Mahalo and promotion, I would like to know stuff about promotion options that are well beyond the reach of the individual or those with more modest funding etc. Do you ever consider advertising in traditional mass media? I know that back in 2005 or whenever the year was that some bvloggers got a lot of mainstream press, some were surprised how little difference a story in the NYT or wherever, would make to their stats. And here in the UK Ive not seen anything like the number of TV adverts for dotcoms as I did during the original bubble. But Im also not convinced that web-only promotion works on a huge scale all that often, seems very hit miss, and I even wonder whether the notion of mass marketing will stand the test of time. What if everybody is on the race to the bottom, the only way is down, etc? Still taht would probably fit well with the needs of plnet earth, the end of 'god is growth' and a return to saner scales in all things? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jason McCabe Calacanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, John Coffey jimmycrackhead2000@ wrote: I'm with you Richard. I suggest Jason have lunch with Andrew Baron and relive the worst TWIT ever. I think you're referring to Rupert Murdoch?!? ;-) TWiT 57 is legendary now... Leo talks about not pulling a 57 or let's not 57 this one.. in the pre-interview. Very funny. j [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying sex sells is only a small part of a longstanding and more comprehensive theory in advertising that creating a somewhat realistic aspirational arrival point for an audience is what sells. This is why we have women presenting on many of these shows that are good looking, but more within reach for male audiences than a runway model would be. The idea that these male viewers have somewhat of a chance keeps eyes on the screen, or at least encourages the eyes to return to the screen. Interesting point. That makes sense. It also makes sense from a basic, yet admittedly stereotypical position of models being models, and mostly nothing else. If you hire a model that's TOO attractive, the viewer isn't going to internally BELIEVE that she actually knows (or cares) anything about the topic. I know that's unfair, and that there are lots of really attractive women that are really intelligent and have great personalities at the same time. However, it would be the same effect as booth babes at trade shows or umbrella girls @ MotoGP races. You might feed the booth babes a couple of lines about the product, but nobody believes they're anything more than hired guns, designed to cheat the viewer into paying attention in the direction of the product they're standing next to... while they're wearing spandex in the middle of winter. (not that *I*m complaining about THAT! :D) I'm not talking about women that actually know something and are representatives of the company, but you'll notice that they tend to be dressed differently, and have a completely different presentation and presence. They're expected to be knowledgeable and proficient, because they're the SUBSTANCE, the bridge between the gawkers coming by to see the booth babes, and them actually becoming aware of and interested in buying her company's product. So, yes... Part of the formula is go good-looking-female, but don't overdo it! :D When looking across the advertising spectrum and into more general interest brands that run across demographics, you see that this theory has manifested in more diverse ways than the proliferation of sexuality. There's nothing overtly or covertly sexual in Apple's marketing of the iPod, for example, but there is something overtly sexy about how an iPod is marketed. I personally think it's a bit silly to keep repeating the girl-tells-us-about-tech model over and over, lazily avoiding the development of new audiences. I'd love to get some research on this, but I hypothesize that these types of shows (Webb Alert, Geekbrief, etc. Rocketboom is a bit different because there's more of a hipster demo going on there) are being watched by the same slowly-growing crowd. Unfortunately, as the formula keeps working, groups are going to keep *working* it. LonelyBoy15 would have been a never-viewed failure. I agree with you that it's laziness. At this point in time, groups are struggling JUST to put a show together, forget about experimenting with new models! :) They want to know what attractive girl they can get, how well she comes across on camera and how much 'cred' she has in whatever the field is in THAT order. 'Cred' is good for initial numbers, but not necessary if she can read what the ghost-writers feed her. I am looking forward to seeing who's going to be brave enough to throw away or at least expand on the girl-on-a-screen model when it comes to tech reporting on the web, creating a larger market than the present niche by providing aspirational arrival points for more than just males, primarily 18-25, maybe 35. These shows have mastered a niche, but have are not bringing other niches to the table as building blocks to a larger and more general audience. Excellent point. The target zone is getting younger, not older. Shows are being made to appeal to the lowest common denominator, like MTV-watchers, viral video and email-joke-senders. I had a meeting with a newspaper owner about bringing his paper online, and his inital response was well... that might be good for the younger readers I think that in general, people are seeing technology as being used increasingly by younger viewers/users and assuming that older internet users just fade away. Using your aspirational arrival points theory, the younger a female lead is in a show, the farther away she gets from being in the AAP of an older male, who would feel less and less like he had a chance with her, and in some cases would see her more and more as his daughter telling him about tech rather than a respected female peer. Entities that appeal to women, especially young women, and the heavy-spending and freetime-rich baby boomers as they retire at increasing rates will do the best. Repeating the same model just because it's been successful before will not do that. That's another great idea... Appeal TO women. :) Unfortunately, when we see
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As usual, Mr. Taylor, you bring up the proper questions. Who in this space deals with Boomer women? Nobody. Yet. We Boomer chicks got time and money and talent ripe for pickin'. Automakers begin to get *that point. Katie Couric and The View type hosts don't suck me and my generation in. What will? Not tits, that's for sure :) My point about tits is that audiences have to evolve (thanks for using the word, Meiser) in order to appreciate how vulnerable they are to manipulation based on the breast and get beyond it. Getting beyond the animal impulse is a good thing and will set you free. Unfortunately, being free is devalued these days. Similar to Vista, you're right... the animal impulse IS an easily exploitable vulnerability. :) The formula wouldn't be The formula if it weren't guaranteed to work on so many guys. Broaden the scope, and you have to find other ways of attracting and retaining attention and then growing your audience. I envision a Boomer community based around teaching / learning / sharing all the creative digital tools of the trade (audio / video) whereby the Boomers can get their strut on creatively and support one another in the process. That's a very interesting idea. I'll have to resarch this with some of my http://BlogHer.com friends, since I have ZERO insight into this demographic. :) -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com Using tits to sell is like shooting fish in a barrel; where's the challenge in it? Off to work. Jan On 11/13/07, Jeffrey Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saying sex sells is only a small part of a longstanding and more comprehensive theory in advertising that creating a somewhat realistic aspirational arrival point for an audience is what sells. This is why we have women presenting on many of these shows that are good looking, but more within reach for male audiences than a runway model would be. The idea that these male viewers have somewhat of a chance keeps eyes on the screen, or at least encourages the eyes to return to the screen. When looking across the advertising spectrum and into more general interest brands that run across demographics, you see that this theory has manifested in more diverse ways than the proliferation of sexuality. There's nothing overtly or covertly sexual in Apple's marketing of the iPod, for example, but there is something overtly sexy about how an iPod is marketed. I personally think it's a bit silly to keep repeating the girl-tells-us-about-tech model over and over, lazily avoiding the development of new audiences. I'd love to get some research on this, but I hypothesize that these types of shows (Webb Alert, Geekbrief, etc. Rocketboom is a bit different because there's more of a hipster demo going on there) are being watched by the same slowly-growing crowd. I am looking forward to seeing who's going to be brave enough to throw away or at least expand on the girl-on-a-screen model when it comes to tech reporting on the web, creating a larger market than the present niche by providing aspirational arrival points for more than just males, primarily 18-25, maybe 35. These shows have mastered a niche, but have are not bringing other niches to the table as building blocks to a larger and more general audience. Entities that appeal to women, especially young women, and the heavy-spending and freetime-rich baby boomers as they retire at increasing rates will do the best. Repeating the same model just because it's been successful before will not do that. And for Jason I get your response and agree with much of what you say. But I think you also get that creating a context in which achieving what you outlined in your response can live by explain exactly what you did in response to me is very important, albeit easily forgotten tedious at times. On 13/11/2007, danielmcvicar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike I was flip, but sex is what does sell, in advertising, etc. However, once it is sold, what are you bringign. Not just sex, but a service. You must give some nutrition with dessert, and once you bring people into the community, listen, get involved, and ultimately lead. This is a good discussion D --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Meiser groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: And don't listen to Daniel McVicar. :) Sorry daniel. Sex sells is B.S. If you want a genuine audience... an audience of makers, participators and creators... like maholo fundamentally needs to survive... you're downplay the overt sexiness of Veronica, and up-play her obvious street cred. Veronica should go all out and be the geek and gaming girl she was born to be... not put on the tight fitting shirt and dumb herself down. This
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Could you rephrase that so I understand the challenge? Am I supposed to be responding to no threads at all, or just one thread? I dont join in with every thread you know, and whilst my posts are clearly long enough to annoy many, I doubt many get close to 5000 words. As for power, well Id be pretty deluded if I thought my messages over the years gave me any sort of power. If anything, I expect my opinion is taken less seriously than that of those who are more incined to do, rather than just talk. And perhaps the negative aspects of my posting now far outweigh any good, and so I should cease.People are probably more than a little tired of hearing my opinions, have mostly heard it all before anyway, and despite my git side I never wanted my opiions to degrade other peoples quality of life. And Ive never put myself in a position where I could actually harness any potential power anyway, its not like Ive tried to turn my opinions into a consultancy business. Is your dad the asbstos lawyer and democrat fundraiser? If so then he's infinately more qualified to talk about power than I will ever be. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: Speaking of power Steve, I dare you to not respond to a single thread on this list. Ill bet you can't do it in under 5000 words.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ I think that's a valid point. Put the online content in front of their faces instead of trying to drag them to the original location (computer) of the online content. Make it as seamless as possible for them to flip from their reruns of struck MSM shows to fresh new content of internet shows they've never seen before and now have hours and hours to catch up on! ;) -- Bill Cammack http://CammackMediaGroup.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
On Nov 13, 2007 7:34 AM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Personally, I don't watch shows on a computer (except for online-only shows, then it's Miro), I prefer sitting on my couch and staring at the TV. It's how I grew up and it's a hard habit to change. I imagine that's the case for many of us. But I have several younger, college-aged friends and they often watch TV shows on their computer at NBC's or ABC's website. This is likely because they don't have a DVR but either way, I think the younger generation is more apt to feel comfortable doing this. -- Kary Rogers http://goodcommitment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I watched last week's HEROS on a computer and last night's HEROS on a TiVO. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:29 AM, Kary Rogers wrote: On Nov 13, 2007 7:34 AM, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Personally, I don't watch shows on a computer (except for online- only shows, then it's Miro), I prefer sitting on my couch and staring at the TV. It's how I grew up and it's a hard habit to change. I imagine that's the case for many of us. But I have several younger, college-aged friends and they often watch TV shows on their computer at NBC's or ABC's website. This is likely because they don't have a DVR but either way, I think the younger generation is more apt to feel comfortable doing this. -- Kary Rogers http://goodcommitment.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Wow, Andrew comes out bitch slapping! Let's book this on Jerry Springer! Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
- Original Message - From: Rupert (snip) People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? (snip) Yes .. ME .. I watch most of my TV on my computer. I have a TV tuner for my computer. Richard Amirault Boston, MA, USA http://n1jdu.org http://bostonfandom.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7hf9u2ZdlQ
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I have just realized a fasinating behavior on threads in this groupno it does not apply to all threads, but just about any thread that gets people going, there is a commen rhythem and pace to how it plays out. This thread itself is a perfect example of that rhythem. I'm curious if anyone else has noticed or seen this also? Fasinating, it really is fasinating...
[videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
I love the concept, I just hope next year we use something other than Ning... How about technorati, or blip, or other tagging services? Is anyone viewing videos just by looking for the navlopomo tag? Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Susan, Hurray! Great you're in, too. It's been amazing, so far. Sorry you found it confusing, but I think it will get pretty confusing and fragmented if we post here. Just go to: http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers There are discussion threads that say: Navlopomo Day 12 Videos or Navlopomo Day 11 Videos or Navlopomo Day 10 etc Click on those and post your video for that day in that thread. You'll see that everyone else has just posted their videos for that day there in a big scrolling list. Use the Blip share code for Myspace to embed your video into your message, and give your post link so that people can comment. Can't wait to see - but am already so far behind in my viewing... Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:25, Susan wrote: Hi folks, long time no talk! I'm still around. Made a new video each of the past 3 days, in fact... you've got to check out the one called SAT, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. http://vlog.kitykity.com Anyways, I know this is NaBloPoMo, and I know this Ning site has been set up... http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers ...and forgive me if I'm dense, but that site is SUPER confusing to me. Has anyone thought of posting their videos here? Maybe just reply to this post today, and give us a direct link to your video for this day, the 12th... Here's mine... http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/?p=412 Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Ive cross posted some more on this topic: Why Mahalo is Fundementally Flawed http://dembot.com/post/19305296 On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:10 AM, John Coffey wrote: Wow, Andrew comes out bitch slapping! Let's book this on Jerry Springer! Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
Hi Susan, I know a few people using our video tag aggregation service (some are also using Miro to just download the videos they want from this tag by putting the tag RSS in Miro): http://mefeedia.com/tags/NaVloPoMo07/ We've also created this page where you can subscribe, track comments and other activities: http://www.mefeedia.com/feeds/26445/ We're working on better ways to track the conversations too and would love your feedback. Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks - What are you watching? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the concept, I just hope next year we use something other than Ning... How about technorati, or blip, or other tagging services? Is anyone viewing videos just by looking for the navlopomo tag? Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Susan, Hurray! Great you're in, too. It's been amazing, so far. Sorry you found it confusing, but I think it will get pretty confusing and fragmented if we post here. Just go to: http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers There are discussion threads that say: Navlopomo Day 12 Videos or Navlopomo Day 11 Videos or Navlopomo Day 10 etc Click on those and post your video for that day in that thread. You'll see that everyone else has just posted their videos for that day there in a big scrolling list. Use the Blip share code for Myspace to embed your video into your message, and give your post link so that people can comment. Can't wait to see - but am already so far behind in my viewing... Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:25, Susan wrote: Hi folks, long time no talk! I'm still around. Made a new video each of the past 3 days, in fact... you've got to check out the one called SAT, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. http://vlog.kitykity.com Anyways, I know this is NaBloPoMo, and I know this Ning site has been set up... http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers ...and forgive me if I'm dense, but that site is SUPER confusing to me. Has anyone thought of posting their videos here? Maybe just reply to this post today, and give us a direct link to your video for this day, the 12th... Here's mine... http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/?p=412 Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
My assumption is that we are using the Ning site because NaBloPoMo is using it. People are already tagging their videos with navlopomo and navlopomo07. It's on technorati, blip and mefeedia. If you Google navlopomo or navlopomo07, you are going to get a crapload of hits back. I am having trouble understanding what is so difficult with registering with Ning and joining the videoblogging group there? I'm getting updates all the time for new NaVloPoMo videos through Ning. Added to the fact that I am subscribed to everyone that is taking part in NaVloPomo, I am not missing anyone's videos. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the concept, I just hope next year we use something other than Ning... How about technorati, or blip, or other tagging services? Is anyone viewing videos just by looking for the navlopomo tag? Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Susan, Hurray! Great you're in, too. It's been amazing, so far. Sorry you found it confusing, but I think it will get pretty confusing and fragmented if we post here. Just go to: http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers There are discussion threads that say: Navlopomo Day 12 Videos or Navlopomo Day 11 Videos or Navlopomo Day 10 etc Click on those and post your video for that day in that thread. You'll see that everyone else has just posted their videos for that day there in a big scrolling list. Use the Blip share code for Myspace to embed your video into your message, and give your post link so that people can comment. Can't wait to see - but am already so far behind in my viewing... Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:25, Susan wrote: Hi folks, long time no talk! I'm still around. Made a new video each of the past 3 days, in fact... you've got to check out the one called SAT, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. http://vlog.kitykity.com Anyways, I know this is NaBloPoMo, and I know this Ning site has been set up... http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers ...and forgive me if I'm dense, but that site is SUPER confusing to me. Has anyone thought of posting their videos here? Maybe just reply to this post today, and give us a direct link to your video for this day, the 12th... Here's mine... http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/?p=412 Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: Oh boy... I probably shouldn't even respond to something so libelous. However, this is so false I've got to correct it. 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget False. I didn't steal the idea because the idea was Peter Rojas'. Nick Denton back Peter's idea first in the form of Gizmodo, we (the weblogs, Inc team) backed it second in the form of Engadget. For background, I offered Peter Rojas equity in Weblogs, Inc. and he gladly left his ~$1,200 a month job with Nick Denton at Gizmodo. Nick Denton promised Peter equity and never gave it him, we did. We invested our own money into Engadget which quickly--thanks to Peter and his team--grew to 3x the size of the incumbent Gizmodo. We sold Weblogs, Inc. (and without getting into exact details) Peter became a millionaire over night. 2. Not paying employees fair wages. False. What are you basing this on? We paid hundreds of folks at Weblogs, Inc. per month well over six figures for years. We paid the best rates in the blogging business (better than or as good as Denton depending on the time). When AOL bought Weblogs, Inc. we hired around 20-30 folks full-time. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) False. How could we steal her if she left? She was a free agent and looking for work. AOL really wanted to hire her so we made her an offer (a very nice large offer). She took another large offer from ABC's. Are people not allowed to make offers? Would you rather talented folks not get offers when they've achieved success? After working for you should Amanda never work again? I'm confused. 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape False. We offered the top posters from digg pay for work they had previously not been paid for. We paid ~40 of them to work on Netscape/Propeller doing things like putting in high-quality stories, taking our false stories and spam, and cleaning up the mess that is social news sometimes. It was a really good idea and Propeller is the second largest social news site in the world. 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL False. Jon Miller the CEO of AOL was fired and I left in solidarity within 24 hours. That's how I do I'm loyal. I started working with a fairly well known venture capital firm with ten days of that. Netscape was being shutdown when folks at AOL asked me what I'd do with it. I said I would build an editorialized version of digg where the news was fact-checked. We did, it worked. The only reason they moved it to it's own domain--from what I've been told--is that it is more valuable with a new name (i.e. in terms of a sale) and that redirecting Netscape's audience to AOL.com is highly profitable because AOL.COM is the most profitable part of the empire (and social news sites have a harder time making money). 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. The 1.5 million uniques who've come in the last 30 days (our fifth month) might disagree with you. :-) In terms of Veronica you can be sure she has a much better deal than the one she had at CNET. You can also be sure she has much more resources behind her than ever. Good luck with that second show. all the best j
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
Yeah I'm NOT a fan of ning either. It really kinda frustrates me to have another step (manually cross posting to ning) especially this month. To me this is exactly what we're not supposed to have to do thanks to our RSS Feeds. For this reason I've been using MeFeedia, which aggregates all videos tagged 'navlopomo07', (or any other tag for that matter) ... and I can then subscribe to this aggfregation using MeFeedias provided RSS feed. I use Miro player to download and watch all these videos. The combination of MeFeedia and Miro (or aggregator of choice) is awesome. And for those of you who prefer to watch via the web, as Frank points out, you can get a web list of them all already at MeFeedia ... even if they arent manually re-listed over at ning. NaVloPoMo was a last minute thing and we just kinda latched on to the existing NaBloPoMo site cause it was there I guess ... but I'm using MeFeedia. :-) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 10:37 AM, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I know a few people using our video tag aggregation service (some are also using Miro to just download the videos they want from this tag by putting the tag RSS in Miro): http://mefeedia.com/tags/NaVloPoMo07/ We've also created this page where you can subscribe, track comments and other activities: http://www.mefeedia.com/feeds/26445/ We're working on better ways to track the conversations too and would love your feedback. Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks - What are you watching? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the concept, I just hope next year we use something other than Ning... How about technorati, or blip, or other tagging services? Is anyone viewing videos just by looking for the navlopomo tag? Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Susan, Hurray! Great you're in, too. It's been amazing, so far. Sorry you found it confusing, but I think it will get pretty confusing and fragmented if we post here. Just go to: http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers There are discussion threads that say: Navlopomo Day 12 Videos or Navlopomo Day 11 Videos or Navlopomo Day 10 etc Click on those and post your video for that day in that thread. You'll see that everyone else has just posted their videos for that day there in a big scrolling list. Use the Blip share code for Myspace to embed your video into your message, and give your post link so that people can comment. Can't wait to see - but am already so far behind in my viewing... Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:25, Susan wrote: Hi folks, long time no talk! I'm still around. Made a new video each of the past 3 days, in fact... you've got to check out the one called SAT, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. http://vlog.kitykity.com Anyways, I know this is NaBloPoMo, and I know this Ning site has been set up... http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers ...and forgive me if I'm dense, but that site is SUPER confusing to me. Has anyone thought of posting their videos here? Maybe just reply to this post today, and give us a direct link to your video for this day, the 12th... Here's mine... http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/?p=412 Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
One current project I haven't talked too much about has to do with delivering audio and video content to set-top boxes, not those novelty ones like slingboxes and such, but more of the XBOX, Playstation and Wii (two of which have Opera-based browsing with Flash support, two have hard drives and such). The audience is there. It's hard, but the audience is there. Will we collectively be willing to do the hard work to get the audience, or do we want the half-assed tech ethic of 'slap that crap together and pray'. That said, I believe certain content has advantages over others. Do a show about gaming, sex, cars or any of the 'religious' topics, and it will help. I'd love to know what the Escapist's video 'Zero Punctuation' gets as far as traffic because it's so painfully funny. Want to make money and get a huge audience? Do a Justin Timberlake fancast. There's a reason that MuggleCast and others are hits. Ironic, really. I also will support (but not like) the idea that hot chicks and TV training help. Look at some of the big shows. Then flip a coin. Of course there will be exceptions, and we can deconstruct all day, but when we do that, we're not quite normal, are we? When Amanda and Rocketboom split, you could almost scientifically see the gaps in how the content (and her) were perceived based on closeness to the epicenter (we were s smart and intellectual on this list, and in the distant blogosphere it was 'uh, what?' and in the mass space (USA Today blog comments) it was flat out retarded. I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Hi. Sorry to say this, but I cant see how this conversation belongs on the list now. Its got little to do with videoblogging. _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason McCabe Calacanis Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:51 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)? --- In HYPERLINK mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: Oh boy... I probably shouldn't even respond to something so libelous. However, this is so false I've got to correct it. 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget False. I didn't steal the idea because the idea was Peter Rojas'. Nick Denton back Peter's idea first in the form of Gizmodo, we (the weblogs, Inc team) backed it second in the form of Engadget. For background, I offered Peter Rojas equity in Weblogs, Inc. and he gladly left his ~$1,200 a month job with Nick Denton at Gizmodo. Nick Denton promised Peter equity and never gave it him, we did. We invested our own money into Engadget which quickly--thanks to Peter and his team--grew to 3x the size of the incumbent Gizmodo. We sold Weblogs, Inc. (and without getting into exact details) Peter became a millionaire over night. 2. Not paying employees fair wages. False. What are you basing this on? We paid hundreds of folks at Weblogs, Inc. per month well over six figures for years. We paid the best rates in the blogging business (better than or as good as Denton depending on the time). When AOL bought Weblogs, Inc. we hired around 20-30 folks full-time. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) False. How could we steal her if she left? She was a free agent and looking for work. AOL really wanted to hire her so we made her an offer (a very nice large offer). She took another large offer from ABC's. Are people not allowed to make offers? Would you rather talented folks not get offers when they've achieved success? After working for you should Amanda never work again? I'm confused. 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape False. We offered the top posters from digg pay for work they had previously not been paid for. We paid ~40 of them to work on Netscape/Propeller doing things like putting in high-quality stories, taking our false stories and spam, and cleaning up the mess that is social news sometimes. It was a really good idea and Propeller is the second largest social news site in the world. 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL False. Jon Miller the CEO of AOL was fired and I left in solidarity within 24 hours. That's how I do I'm loyal. I started working with a fairly well known venture capital firm with ten days of that. Netscape was being shutdown when folks at AOL asked me what I'd do with it. I said I would build an editorialized version of digg where the news was fact-checked. We did, it worked. The only reason they moved it to it's own domain--from what I've been told--is that it is more valuable with a new name (i.e. in terms of a sale) and that redirecting Netscape's audience to AOL.com is highly profitable because AOL.COM is the most profitable part of the empire (and social news sites have a harder time making money). 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. The 1.5 million uniques who've come in the last 30 days (our fifth month) might disagree with you. :-) In terms of Veronica you can be sure she has a much better deal than the one she had at CNET. You can also be sure she has much more resources behind her than ever. Good luck with that second show. all the best j No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1128 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 11:09 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
Susan, Sorry, I meant to say in my last email but got distracted by Kate looking over my shoulder saying, Who's SUSAN? The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. And you can scan easily and watch randomly. As Cheryl said to me, though - don't try and catch up yet - just start watching from here on in. We've got another 18 days to go. The main reason we used the NaBloPoMo Ning group this year rather than setting up something separate was that it was already set up and ready to go by Eden Kennedy for the text Nablopomo, so we just piggybacked on it, after deciding to do it a couple of days before. And we thought it might help introduce other NaBloPoMo people to video blogging. I'm not too confused by it, so I don't mind using it in conjunction with Mefeedia - but it would be good to think of better ways to do it in future. If anybody has any ideas...? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love the concept, I just hope next year we use something other than Ning... How about technorati, or blip, or other tagging services? Is anyone viewing videos just by looking for the navlopomo tag? Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Susan, Hurray! Great you're in, too. It's been amazing, so far. Sorry you found it confusing, but I think it will get pretty confusing and fragmented if we post here. Just go to: http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers There are discussion threads that say: Navlopomo Day 12 Videos or Navlopomo Day 11 Videos or Navlopomo Day 10 etc Click on those and post your video for that day in that thread. You'll see that everyone else has just posted their videos for that day there in a big scrolling list. Use the Blip share code for Myspace to embed your video into your message, and give your post link so that people can comment. Can't wait to see - but am already so far behind in my viewing... Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:25, Susan wrote: Hi folks, long time no talk! I'm still around. Made a new video each of the past 3 days, in fact... you've got to check out the one called SAT, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. http://vlog.kitykity.com Anyways, I know this is NaBloPoMo, and I know this Ning site has been set up... http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers ...and forgive me if I'm dense, but that site is SUPER confusing to me. Has anyone thought of posting their videos here? Maybe just reply to this post today, and give us a direct link to your video for this day, the 12th... Here's mine... http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/?p=412 Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
There is no such thing as a truly reliable external firewire drive, sadly. Though I've had better luck with LaCies then with some other brands. Laptop users remember! TURN ON THE COMPUTER BEFORE CONNECTING THE DRIVE TURN ON THE DRIVE (if that's an option) BEFORE CONNECTING CONNECT AND WAIT FOR MOUNTING before launching FCP or whatever. EJECT/DISMOUNT the drive before disconnecting the most important one DISCONNECT before shutting down, sleeping. And remember FW400 connectors are super super fragile despite their appearance. Plug and unplug carefully. Pull straight out/push straight in. This goes for the little camera ports too. Most drive failures come from repeated live disconnects and shutdowns. The next culprit in line is bent/tweaked firewire ports, then burned out firewire ports. (of course there are variations other will swear by, but the dismount before disconnect or shutdown/sleep is absolutely crucial to getting any longevity out of the drive at all). Brook p.s. the best advice: switch to eSATA as soon as you can. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
OK, take it outside now please... --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
So what we should really be asking is, How do I get on TV? BRB...loading pistol. I agree with most of this though. When I started doing this a few years ago, that question would have sounded like the antithesis of what everyone was trying to accomplish, trying to break into a walled garden. Now it sounds more like a utilitarian question, like How do I get my enclosures to show up in iTunes? That said, the television world has a lot to lose by letting the huddled masses in under their tent. I doubt the TV+Netvideo marriage going to happen as soon as people think. AQ On Nov 13, 2007 11:22 AM, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One current project I haven't talked too much about has to do with delivering audio and video content to set-top boxes, not those novelty ones like slingboxes and such, but more of the XBOX, Playstation and Wii (two of which have Opera-based browsing with Flash support, two have hard drives and such). The audience is there. It's hard, but the audience is there. Will we collectively be willing to do the hard work to get the audience, or do we want the half-assed tech ethic of 'slap that crap together and pray'. That said, I believe certain content has advantages over others. Do a show about gaming, sex, cars or any of the 'religious' topics, and it will help. I'd love to know what the Escapist's video 'Zero Punctuation' gets as far as traffic because it's so painfully funny. Want to make money and get a huge audience? Do a Justin Timberlake fancast. There's a reason that MuggleCast and others are hits. Ironic, really. I also will support (but not like) the idea that hot chicks and TV training help. Look at some of the big shows. Then flip a coin. Of course there will be exceptions, and we can deconstruct all day, but when we do that, we're not quite normal, are we? When Amanda and Rocketboom split, you could almost scientifically see the gaps in how the content (and her) were perceived based on closeness to the epicenter (we were s smart and intellectual on this list, and in the distant blogosphere it was 'uh, what?' and in the mass space (USA Today blog comments) it was flat out retarded. I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I am seeing the posts rolling in now about taking this off list as I am just about to publish the below. I'd like to go ahead and publish it, I think its relevant. It has to do with videoblogging, blogging, history of the space and people who are involved: On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Jason McCabe Calacanis wrote: Oh boy... I probably shouldn't even respond to something so libelous. However, this is so false I've got to correct it. 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget False. The point I was trying to make though, is that you didn't do anything innovative or new, you just take one thing and clone it exactly the same. This is fine Jason, Im just saying you do business by knocking- off others. This is not interesting to me and I have found in my life that people who do this are usually selfish at the expense of others. 2. Not paying employees fair wages. False. But you write: better than or as good as Denton I rest my case. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) False. Are people not allowed to make offers? Would you rather talented folks not get offers when they've achieved success? After working for you should Amanda never work again? I'm confused. Your confused because you don't seem to have any understanding of the social element. Its just really rude and not supportive, Jason. Its selfish because you always think you have so much more to offer and in that case you knew nothing at all about what was going on or who we were. Imagine that the news broke that you and your wife were having problems and then the next day, your business partner called her up for a date. Yea, I know, this is not about love affairs, but there is a social element involved and you have repeatedly shown disrespect for others who are participating and trying to get along in the same space. 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape False. I beg to differ. After a long history of cloning other peoples idea, I think its true that you not only tried to clone digg and failed miserably, but also had the audacity to goto Digg to try to sway away the top posters (for miserable salary no less). Again, you didn't understand the social, but by this time, it was the online social you didn't understand. What happened in the end? People revolted against you for trying to rip of digg (these are not my words), the site crashed and burned and now you are gone. Say what you will about quitting, its a great self-defense. I know people who have a history of saying they were fired when they quit and saying they quit when they were fired. I guess its just a coincidence that the project you had suggested turned to crap right at the same time. 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. The 1.5 million unique who've come in the last 30 days (our fifth month) might disagree with you. :-) Out of 1.5 million, where are the positive reviews? I have never seen a single positive review of Mahalo. Ever. I know you must have a few Jason, can you point us to a really good review of Mahalo by someone who really understands the space? Just one good one - there must be one? In terms of Veronica you can be sure she has a much better deal than the one she had at CNET. You can also be sure she has much more resources behind her than ever. Great. More salary than Nick Denton pays, and better salary than CNET. Not exactly something to boast about. So why are you the one here doing the work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Besides, how ever did we get along with major blockbuster motion pictures and indie films? How did college radio kick ass in the abyss of Clear Channel. Do numbers actually matter? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what we should really be asking is, How do I get on TV? BRB...loading pistol. I agree with most of this though. When I started doing this a few years ago, that question would have sounded like the antithesis of what everyone was trying to accomplish, trying to break into a walled garden. Now it sounds more like a utilitarian question, like How do I get my enclosures to show up in iTunes? That said, the television world has a lot to lose by letting the huddled masses in under their tent. I doubt the TV+Netvideo marriage going to happen as soon as people think. AQ On Nov 13, 2007 11:22 AM, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One current project I haven't talked too much about has to do with delivering audio and video content to set-top boxes, not those novelty ones like slingboxes and such, but more of the XBOX, Playstation and Wii (two of which have Opera-based browsing with Flash support, two have hard drives and such). The audience is there. It's hard, but the audience is there. Will we collectively be willing to do the hard work to get the audience, or do we want the half-assed tech ethic of 'slap that crap together and pray'. That said, I believe certain content has advantages over others. Do a show about gaming, sex, cars or any of the 'religious' topics, and it will help. I'd love to know what the Escapist's video 'Zero Punctuation' gets as far as traffic because it's so painfully funny. Want to make money and get a huge audience? Do a Justin Timberlake fancast. There's a reason that MuggleCast and others are hits. Ironic, really. I also will support (but not like) the idea that hot chicks and TV training help. Look at some of the big shows. Then flip a coin. Of course there will be exceptions, and we can deconstruct all day, but when we do that, we're not quite normal, are we? When Amanda and Rocketboom split, you could almost scientifically see the gaps in how the content (and her) were perceived based on closeness to the epicenter (we were s smart and intellectual on this list, and in the distant blogosphere it was 'uh, what?' and in the mass space (USA Today blog comments) it was flat out retarded. I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- Adam Quirk Wreck Salvage 551.208.4644 Brooklyn, NY http://wreckandsalvage.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I totally agree. And whatever we think about TV content here, the must-have gadget for rich Westerners is a huge flat wide HD TV. And I think that, uh, 'indiepunk' content can be in HD. I'd love my N93 to have HD resolution instead of 640x480. I want to shoot daily Twittervlog anarchy in HD. The new Xactis have FULL HD - 1980x1020 with 1.5hrs on an 8Gig SD card, and they're not much bigger than my N93. If they had good built-in editor and wifi like the N93/N95, I'd switch in a heartbeat. There's definitely an audience out there already with set top boxes like AppleTV, who want to watch stuff that fills their massive screens and thumps on their massive speakers. (The stereo sound is already pretty good on my N93, especially considering it's a phone). I want to pump their asses full of rough ready videoblog madness, instead of condemning them to a lifetime of slickly produced tech shows and lame staged comedy. Let me know what happens with your set top box project. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: On 13 Nov 2007, at 11:38, Bill Cammack wrote: I wondered how to drag all of those people, aimlessly streaming past me, into viewing an online show. --- Set top box. That's the only way you'll get people watching online shows. I don't know if you use the term 'set top box' in the US. I just mean a box that plugs into your TV. One that'd allow people to watch ordinary network shows on their widescreen tv and also surf internet TV. People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? My friends and family will watch my videoblog, mostly because I've forced them to by subscribing them via email, but they won't then go on to watch any of the vlogs I link to, or click on the URLs of people who comment. Computers are full of distractions, and are quite hard things to use if you want to concentrate on or relax to motion picture entertainment. The TV / Couch combo works. I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. Until then, forget it. Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jason. do I read this correctly? Somebody left a $1,200 job for you? I'm hoping this wasn't a full time job because that is so poverty level. Bring him up to say $1,400 per month? --- Jason McCabe Calacanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: Oh boy... I probably shouldn't even respond to something so libelous. However, this is so false I've got to correct it. 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget False. I didn't steal the idea because the idea was Peter Rojas'. Nick Denton back Peter's idea first in the form of Gizmodo, we (the weblogs, Inc team) backed it second in the form of Engadget. For background, I offered Peter Rojas equity in Weblogs, Inc. and he gladly left his ~$1,200 a month job with Nick Denton at Gizmodo. Nick Denton promised Peter equity and never gave it him, we did. We invested our own money into Engadget which quickly--thanks to Peter and his team--grew to 3x the size of the incumbent Gizmodo. We sold Weblogs, Inc. (and without getting into exact details) Peter became a millionaire over night. 2. Not paying employees fair wages. False. What are you basing this on? We paid hundreds of folks at Weblogs, Inc. per month well over six figures for years. We paid the best rates in the blogging business (better than or as good as Denton depending on the time). When AOL bought Weblogs, Inc. we hired around 20-30 folks full-time. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) False. How could we steal her if she left? She was a free agent and looking for work. AOL really wanted to hire her so we made her an offer (a very nice large offer). She took another large offer from ABC's. Are people not allowed to make offers? Would you rather talented folks not get offers when they've achieved success? After working for you should Amanda never work again? I'm confused. 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape False. We offered the top posters from digg pay for work they had previously not been paid for. We paid ~40 of them to work on Netscape/Propeller doing things like putting in high-quality stories, taking our false stories and spam, and cleaning up the mess that is social news sometimes. It was a really good idea and Propeller is the second largest social news site in the world. 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL False. Jon Miller the CEO of AOL was fired and I left in solidarity within 24 hours. That's how I do I'm loyal. I started working with a fairly well known venture capital firm with ten days of that. Netscape was being shutdown when folks at AOL asked me what I'd do with it. I said I would build an editorialized version of digg where the news was fact-checked. We did, it worked. The only reason they moved it to it's own domain--from what I've been told--is that it is more valuable with a new name (i.e. in terms of a sale) and that redirecting Netscape's audience to AOL.com is highly profitable because AOL.COM is the most profitable part of the empire (and social news sites have a harder time making money). 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. The 1.5 million uniques who've come in the last 30 days (our fifth month) might disagree with you. :-) In terms of Veronica you can be sure she has a much better deal than the one she had at CNET. You can also be sure she has much more resources behind her than ever. Good luck with that second show. all the best j Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
[videoblogging] Re: bad Western Digital Hardrives?
Yeah. I've lost 3 Lacie Drives. Just bought another. Needed one in a hurry. It was all they had. I am an idiot. Don't buy Lacie. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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It's funny. I was just saying to myself the other day how well this group has been getting along and how we have really been sharing ideas. Now it's back to this tit for tat stuff. Oh well, conflict does build interest and this public display of venom is entertaining. I just hope it does some good for the industry. In the past these public feuds have derailed people from concentrating on their creative endeavors and it's just waisted energy. Speaking of Feuds and people from this group. NewTeeVee is going to have a Live Family Feud style gameshow tomorrow night with a few people you may have heard of. http://live.newteevee.com/gameshow Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Jason McCabe Calacanis wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: Oh boy... I probably shouldn't even respond to something so libelous. However, this is so false I've got to correct it. 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget False. I didn't steal the idea because the idea was Peter Rojas'. Nick Denton back Peter's idea first in the form of Gizmodo, we (the weblogs, Inc team) backed it second in the form of Engadget. For background, I offered Peter Rojas equity in Weblogs, Inc. and he gladly left his ~$1,200 a month job with Nick Denton at Gizmodo. Nick Denton promised Peter equity and never gave it him, we did. We invested our own money into Engadget which quickly--thanks to Peter and his team--grew to 3x the size of the incumbent Gizmodo. We sold Weblogs, Inc. (and without getting into exact details) Peter became a millionaire over night. 2. Not paying employees fair wages. False. What are you basing this on? We paid hundreds of folks at Weblogs, Inc. per month well over six figures for years. We paid the best rates in the blogging business (better than or as good as Denton depending on the time). When AOL bought Weblogs, Inc. we hired around 20-30 folks full-time. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) False. How could we steal her if she left? She was a free agent and looking for work. AOL really wanted to hire her so we made her an offer (a very nice large offer). She took another large offer from ABC's. Are people not allowed to make offers? Would you rather talented folks not get offers when they've achieved success? After working for you should Amanda never work again? I'm confused. 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape False. We offered the top posters from digg pay for work they had previously not been paid for. We paid ~40 of them to work on Netscape/Propeller doing things like putting in high-quality stories, taking our false stories and spam, and cleaning up the mess that is social news sometimes. It was a really good idea and Propeller is the second largest social news site in the world. 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL False. Jon Miller the CEO of AOL was fired and I left in solidarity within 24 hours. That's how I do I'm loyal. I started working with a fairly well known venture capital firm with ten days of that. Netscape was being shutdown when folks at AOL asked me what I'd do with it. I said I would build an editorialized version of digg where the news was fact-checked. We did, it worked. The only reason they moved it to it's own domain--from what I've been told--is that it is more valuable with a new name (i.e. in terms of a sale) and that redirecting Netscape's audience to AOL.com is highly profitable because AOL.COM is the most profitable part of the empire (and social news sites have a harder time making money). 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. The 1.5 million uniques who've come in the last 30 days (our fifth month) might disagree with you. :-) In terms of Veronica you can be sure she has a much better deal than the one she had at CNET. You can also be sure she has much more resources behind her than ever. Good luck with that second show. all the best j [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
Re: [videoblogging] Re: bad Western Digital Hardrives?
I can also confirm that so far G-Technology's drives have a pretty good record with my clients and others I know who use them. Probably the only company making externals that I haven't heard complaints about. -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Looking into swirling tea leaves, I see the future of this discussion... on a blog! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am seeing the posts rolling in now about taking this off list as I am just about to publish the below. I'd like to go ahead and publish it, I think its relevant. It has to do with videoblogging, blogging, history of the space and people who are involved: On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Jason McCabe Calacanis wrote: Oh boy... I probably shouldn't even respond to something so libelous. However, this is so false I've got to correct it. 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget False. The point I was trying to make though, is that you didn't do anything innovative or new, you just take one thing and clone it exactly the same. This is fine Jason, Im just saying you do business by knocking- off others. This is not interesting to me and I have found in my life that people who do this are usually selfish at the expense of others. 2. Not paying employees fair wages. False. But you write: better than or as good as Denton I rest my case. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) False. Are people not allowed to make offers? Would you rather talented folks not get offers when they've achieved success? After working for you should Amanda never work again? I'm confused. Your confused because you don't seem to have any understanding of the social element. Its just really rude and not supportive, Jason. Its selfish because you always think you have so much more to offer and in that case you knew nothing at all about what was going on or who we were. Imagine that the news broke that you and your wife were having problems and then the next day, your business partner called her up for a date. Yea, I know, this is not about love affairs, but there is a social element involved and you have repeatedly shown disrespect for others who are participating and trying to get along in the same space. 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape False. I beg to differ. After a long history of cloning other peoples idea, I think its true that you not only tried to clone digg and failed miserably, but also had the audacity to goto Digg to try to sway away the top posters (for miserable salary no less). Again, you didn't understand the social, but by this time, it was the online social you didn't understand. What happened in the end? People revolted against you for trying to rip of digg (these are not my words), the site crashed and burned and now you are gone. Say what you will about quitting, its a great self-defense. I know people who have a history of saying they were fired when they quit and saying they quit when they were fired. I guess its just a coincidence that the project you had suggested turned to crap right at the same time. 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. The 1.5 million unique who've come in the last 30 days (our fifth month) might disagree with you. :-) Out of 1.5 million, where are the positive reviews? I have never seen a single positive review of Mahalo. Ever. I know you must have a few Jason, can you point us to a really good review of Mahalo by someone who really understands the space? Just one good one - there must be one? In terms of Veronica you can be sure she has a much better deal than the one she had at CNET. You can also be sure she has much more resources behind her than ever. Great. More salary than Nick Denton pays, and better salary than CNET. Not exactly something to boast about. So why are you the one here doing the work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
Thanks Brook and I must say, I rarely did any of the precautions you posted. --- Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing as a truly reliable external firewire drive, sadly. Though I've had better luck with LaCies then with some other brands. Laptop users remember! TURN ON THE COMPUTER BEFORE CONNECTING THE DRIVE TURN ON THE DRIVE (if that's an option) BEFORE CONNECTING CONNECT AND WAIT FOR MOUNTING before launching FCP or whatever. EJECT/DISMOUNT the drive before disconnecting the most important one DISCONNECT before shutting down, sleeping. And remember FW400 connectors are super super fragile despite their appearance. Plug and unplug carefully. Pull straight out/push straight in. This goes for the little camera ports too. Most drive failures come from repeated live disconnects and shutdowns. The next culprit in line is bent/tweaked firewire ports, then burned out firewire ports. (of course there are variations other will swear by, but the dismount before disconnect or shutdown/sleep is absolutely crucial to getting any longevity out of the drive at all). Brook p.s. the best advice: switch to eSATA as soon as you can. ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
Thanks Tim, time to back up many hours of HD Eye TV content off my Lacie ASAP --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [videoblogging] Re: bad Western Digital Hardrives?
they all suck ive done in maxtors,wd lacis they all will fiail. back up your data folks On Nov 13, 2007 12:04 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can also confirm that so far G-Technology's drives have a pretty good record with my clients and others I know who use them. Probably the only company making externals that I haven't heard complaints about. -- ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
I've made DVD and HDV Tape back ups as well cause that VP of Marketing's words keep ringing in my head. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:16 AM, John Coffey wrote: Thanks Tim, time to back up many hours of HD Eye TV content off my Lacie ASAP --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.http://mobile.yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
We are working on a threaded view based on activity. Initial looks at it are pretty cool. We also have a new search in the works which will track video responses / trackbacks right in the mefeedia video page. Third, i'd love to have widget tools (similar to what Flickr does for images) to be able to syndicate the tracking to your blog/vlog. We are in middle of development now (hopefully some will be ready for the 2nd half of NaVloPoMo), so if you have suggestions, we will try to incorporate as much as we can. Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks - What are you watching? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, Sorry, I meant to say in my last email but got distracted by Kate looking over my shoulder saying, Who's SUSAN? The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. And you can scan easily and watch randomly. As Cheryl said to me, though - don't try and catch up yet - just start watching from here on in. We've got another 18 days to go. The main reason we used the NaBloPoMo Ning group this year rather than setting up something separate was that it was already set up and ready to go by Eden Kennedy for the text Nablopomo, so we just piggybacked on it, after deciding to do it a couple of days before. And we thought it might help introduce other NaBloPoMo people to video blogging. I'm not too confused by it, so I don't mind using it in conjunction with Mefeedia - but it would be good to think of better ways to do it in future. If anybody has any ideas...? Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Susan kitykity@ wrote: I love the concept, I just hope next year we use something other than Ning... How about technorati, or blip, or other tagging services? Is anyone viewing videos just by looking for the navlopomo tag? Susan --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: Hey Susan, Hurray! Great you're in, too. It's been amazing, so far. Sorry you found it confusing, but I think it will get pretty confusing and fragmented if we post here. Just go to: http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers There are discussion threads that say: Navlopomo Day 12 Videos or Navlopomo Day 11 Videos or Navlopomo Day 10 etc Click on those and post your video for that day in that thread. You'll see that everyone else has just posted their videos for that day there in a big scrolling list. Use the Blip share code for Myspace to embed your video into your message, and give your post link so that people can comment. Can't wait to see - but am already so far behind in my viewing... Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/ On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:25, Susan wrote: Hi folks, long time no talk! I'm still around. Made a new video each of the past 3 days, in fact... you've got to check out the one called SAT, I've been wanting to do that for a long time. http://vlog.kitykity.com Anyways, I know this is NaBloPoMo, and I know this Ning site has been set up... http://nablopomo.ning.com/group/videobloggers ...and forgive me if I'm dense, but that site is SUPER confusing to me. Has anyone thought of posting their videos here? Maybe just reply to this post today, and give us a direct link to your video for this day, the 12th... Here's mine... http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/?p=412 Susan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
i've had bad luck with western digital, consistently, personally. we also had trouble with them at widehive records a few years ago (like 3 times in a row) and stopped using anything but LaCie. Haven't seen g-raid before...will consider...but i've had good luck with lacies i guess (knock on metal) lisa I've made DVD and HDV Tape back ups as well cause that VP of Marketing's words keep ringing in my head. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:16 AM, John Coffey wrote: Thanks Tim, time to back up many hours of HD Eye TV content off my Lacie ASAP --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.http://mobile.yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lisa Rein http://onlisareinsradar.com http://www.lisarein.com
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
You do have to keep in mind that hard drives, at least ones most people can afford at the moment, have lots of moving parts. Those moving parts are all... well.. moving whenever you access data off those drives. No matter what manufacturer you get your drives from it isn't a matter of if the drive will fail, but when. Anyone that tells you differently is flat out lying. Solid state memory is changing all of that, but it is still very very expensive and doesn't come in capacities that DV require. That being said I've been very happy with my WD drives. On Nov 13, 2007 12:28 PM, Lisa Rein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've had bad luck with western digital, consistently, personally. we also had trouble with them at widehive records a few years ago (like 3 times in a row) and stopped using anything but LaCie. Haven't seen g-raid before...will consider...but i've had good luck with lacies i guess (knock on metal) lisa I've made DVD and HDV Tape back ups as well cause that VP of Marketing's words keep ringing in my head. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:16 AM, John Coffey wrote: Thanks Tim, time to back up many hours of HD Eye TV content off my Lacie ASAP --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.http://mobile.yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lisa Rein http://onlisareinsradar.com http://www.lisarein.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Scott McNulty I blog: http://blog.blankbaby.com http://www.forkyou.tv http://www.tuaw.com
RE: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
If you had bought Seagate drives I could have gotten you help. Sorry. Robert Scoble _ From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Rein Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:28 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives? i've had bad luck with western digital, consistently, personally. we also had trouble with them at widehive records a few years ago (like 3 times in a row) and stopped using anything but LaCie. Haven't seen g-raid before...will consider...but i've had good luck with lacies i guess (knock on metal) lisa I've made DVD and HDV Tape back ups as well cause that VP of Marketing's words keep ringing in my head. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv http://frenchmaidtv.com .com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchma http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes idtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet. http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:16 AM, John Coffey wrote: Thanks Tim, time to back up many hours of HD Eye TV content off my Lacie ASAP --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tim%40frenchmaidtv.com com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tim%40frenchmaidtv.com com wrote: I've lost MANY Lacie drives and when I walked up to the VP of Marketing for Lacie at Macworld and told him his answer was, It's only a matter of time until one of our drives fails. I then walked over to the G-Tech booth and I have been very happy with the G-Raid products ever since. I have 25 G-Tech drives. The other day I thought one of them had gone down on me but then I noticed it wasn't plugged in to the AC outlet. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv http://frenchmaidtv.com .com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchma http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes idtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet. http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ blogspot.com/ On Nov 13, 2007, at 7:22 AM, John Coffey wrote: I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs com/r/hs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:videoblogging- mailto:videoblogging-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com __ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.http://mobile. now.http://mobile.yahoo.com/ yahoo.com/ sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Lisa Rein http://onlisareinsr http://onlisareinsradar.com adar.com http://www.lisarein http://www.lisarein.com .com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
In the good news bad news department: Good news: this thread has brought out some discussion Bad news: it ends up being about personal/business disagreements. In the FWIW Department: Beach Walks with Rox has a 60% male 40% female audience, over 95% of whom have completed some college. Our peeps are a curious mix of young techie guys and older retired couples. Many tell us they watch at home with the family as well as at work to chill out - even whole teams watch and discuss the daily topics sometime. We have beautiful scenery, thoughtful topics (environment, Hawaiiana, relationships, music, occasional tech, travel), and the most common response we get is that people feel better (clearer, less stressed, head on square) after watching. We even have an adorable (if not sexy) black lab, Lexi! We are confused why our audience hasn't grown bigger faster. Some things just don't make sense yet - as there is so much disruption going on. There is not a formula on the planet that is guaranteed to work. IMO, you gots to enjoy the process as at the end of the day, that's what you got. Aloha, Rox -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling On Nov 13, 2007 6:51 AM, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides, how ever did we get along with major blockbuster motion pictures and indie films? How did college radio kick ass in the abyss of Clear Channel. Do numbers actually matter? ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk, Wreck Salvage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what we should really be asking is, How do I get on TV? BRB...loading pistol. I agree with most of this though. When I started doing this a few years ago, that question would have sounded like the antithesis of what everyone was trying to accomplish, trying to break into a walled garden. Now it sounds more like a utilitarian question, like How do I get my enclosures to show up in iTunes? That said, the television world has a lot to lose by letting the huddled masses in under their tent. I doubt the TV+Netvideo marriage going to happen as soon as people think. AQ On Nov 13, 2007 11:22 AM, Eric Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One current project I haven't talked too much about has to do with delivering audio and video content to set-top boxes, not those novelty ones like slingboxes and such, but more of the XBOX, Playstation and Wii (two of which have Opera-based browsing with Flash support, two have hard drives and such). The audience is there. It's hard, but the audience is there. Will we collectively be willing to do the hard work to get the audience, or do we want the half-assed tech ethic of 'slap that crap together and pray'. That said, I believe certain content has advantages over others. Do a show about gaming, sex, cars or any of the 'religious' topics, and it will help. I'd love to know what the Escapist's video 'Zero Punctuation' gets as far as traffic because it's so painfully funny. Want to make money and get a huge audience? Do a Justin Timberlake fancast. There's a reason that MuggleCast and others are hits. Ironic, really. I also will support (but not like) the idea that hot chicks and TV training help. Look at some of the big shows. Then flip a coin. Of course there will be exceptions, and we can deconstruct all day, but when we do that, we're not quite normal, are we? When Amanda and Rocketboom split, you could almost scientifically see the gaps in how the content (and her) were perceived based on closeness to the epicenter (we were s smart and intellectual on this list, and in the distant blogosphere it was 'uh, what?' and in the mass space (USA Today blog comments) it was flat out retarded. I'm still waiting for good hi-definition content come out of this spacem, because I, like many fat bloated americans, enjoy sitting on my ass in front of my home theater (this goes totally against the indiepunkish ethos of 'well I don't owwn a television', etc) and having my ears tantalized in 7.1 surround sound. There are three types of content I adore-- Video, video and sometimes video. Sometimes it's on YouTube, sometimes it's buried in a forum someplace, and other times, it comes from a TV studio or DVD (my god I love Entourage, don't you?). We are the Content Creation Class-- we're kinda different than everyone else (read: consumers). But damn, how does your audio podcast compete with the non-interface of turning on satellite radio in the car? Apples to Oranges, and our risk for elitism just *hates* that kind of reality. :) ER --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert rupert@ wrote: On 13 Nov 2007,
[videoblogging] Re: bad Western Digital Hardrives?
I love my Lacie's and ould never buy anything else, I swear by them. Luv and Peace Paul Knight
Re: [videoblogging] Re: bad Western Digital Hardrives?
The only one I have found that works well with Video and doesn't fail on a Mac is OWC's drives.I have several and they are solid. With Leopard's Time Machine, the back up is a breeze. On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:20 AM, RANDY MANN wrote: they all suck ive done in maxtors,wd lacis they all will fiail. back up your data folks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: bad Western Digital Hardrives?
It's so random. OWC has the worst track record in my studio and with my clients, though I haven't used their most recent enclosures. The message is THEY WILL ALL FAIL eventually. All of them. For pretty much every brand, someone will have had one stay up for 6 years while another person will have had 3 drives fail within a year. Follow the precautionary steps and whatever drive it is it will last longer at least. Another thing - they're not all equal in terms of using them for video. One of the reasons I've continued to use LaCie, despite failures, is consistently good performance (e.g., playing back real time previews in FCP of multi-layer sequences with effects without dropping frames). But that's ony the D2s, and only if formatted HFS+. Again, G-Tech has the rep right now, but they're young, and I still would not rely on ANY solution as rock solid. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
When I hear the phrase the industry I reach for my Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
On Nov 13, 2007 9:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny. I was just saying to myself the other day how well this group has been getting along and how we have really been sharing ideas. Now it's back to this tit for tat stuff. Oh well, conflict does build interest and this public display of venom is entertaining. every four months or so we have a big blowup that ends up in a 100 message thread. It seems to let us all revisit the themes we keep going deeper into. Three years ago we were all just talking from what we hoped would happen, now we've helped make it real. we're all getting more experienced so I find the conversations more and more interesting. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
Your drive in question is probably formatted in the FAT32 file system. There is a 4GB filesize limitation in FAT32. If thats a serious problem for you, and you don't expect to be using this external drive on a Mac or anything you could always reformat to NTFS which does not have such a limit. (well it technically does have a limit but its some crazy-huge number well in excess of the size of your drive and thus one that you wont ever hit) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 12:58 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Personally, this is the most exciting thing I've seen since the Wikipedia Storm of '07. Heath, it's definitely a pattern I know and enjoy and Dennis, you may be right that it has very little to do with Videoblogging but it is very much the videoblogging group. :) I always found it interesting to have an inside perspective of this medium's moguls. I doubt there's a Yahoo Group in which Rupert Murdoch contributes. As a side note to Andrew, I have to stand up for Steve here as he's often the voice of reason in this group and in a past experience had stood up for me and Wikipedia's core content policies when it was the very unpopular thing to do. However there is something to be said for for being concise in discussions. I once heard from a wise source: Posts longer than 100 words are difficult to understand and are frequently either ignored, misunderstood or misinterpreted. darn...151 words...now 156... On Nov 13, 2007 5:05 AM, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didn't seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. AH YES!!! Its all about power, mwahahahahaha! But what kind of Power did you say!? A DIFFERENT kind?? M I like the sound of this . . . . A NEW kind of Power! BETTER THAN MONEY!!! Speaking of power Steve, I dare you to not respond to a single thread on this list. Ill bet you can't do it in under 5000 words. Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Bored
Yeah, Jay, discussions are one thing, but I'm bored of watching interesting discussions turn into personal slanging matches. It poisons threads and kills discussion. I know some of us seem to like it, and some of us just can't stop watching. There's a familiar discussion on Twitter - people asking themselves why they still subscribe to this list - it's like a car wreck. That saddens me. We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. Maybe that will make this list more 'boring' - but personally, I'm much more bored of watching people going to the toilet on each other when I want to talk about videoblogging. Yours rather po-facedly, Rupert http://twittervlog.tv/ http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/
[videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
D'ohand I am guessing to reformat it, I would have to remove everything first and the re-format to NTFS, correct? fiddle sticks and fudge knuckles Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your drive in question is probably formatted in the FAT32 file system. There is a 4GB filesize limitation in FAT32. If thats a serious problem for you, and you don't expect to be using this external drive on a Mac or anything you could always reformat to NTFS which does not have such a limit. (well it technically does have a limit but its some crazy-huge number well in excess of the size of your drive and thus one that you wont ever hit) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 12:58 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip ones were there ok. sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all! kath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. -- http://www.aliak.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
yeah. :( Re-formatting it to NTFS will erase the stuff on there, so you'll have to copy the good stuff elsewhere first. I should also point out that there are apps out there to allow you to access an NTFS drive on a Mac if push comes to shove. (So don't feel like NTFS means you'll never be able to plug it into a mac if you absolutely had to.) HFS+ is the similar 'no limit' filesystem on a Mac I believe and there are apps to read these drives from within windows as well ... but in general if you're expecting to use it in windows, go with NTFS. - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 1:46 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D'ohand I am guessing to reformat it, I would have to remove everything first and the re-format to NTFS, correct? fiddle sticks and fudge knuckles Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your drive in question is probably formatted in the FAT32 file system. There is a 4GB filesize limitation in FAT32. If thats a serious problem for you, and you don't expect to be using this external drive on a Mac or anything you could always reformat to NTFS which does not have such a limit. (well it technically does have a limit but its some crazy-huge number well in excess of the size of your drive and thus one that you wont ever hit) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 12:58 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
Heath Before you format, try using WinZip to zip the files up and split them up into smaller files. Take them off the USB stick/drive/whatever you are using then format the drive. Hope that helps. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah. :( Re-formatting it to NTFS will erase the stuff on there, so you'll have to copy the good stuff elsewhere first. I should also point out that there are apps out there to allow you to access an NTFS drive on a Mac if push comes to shove. (So don't feel like NTFS means you'll never be able to plug it into a mac if you absolutely had to.) HFS+ is the similar 'no limit' filesystem on a Mac I believe and there are apps to read these drives from within windows as well ... but in general if you're expecting to use it in windows, go with NTFS. - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 1:46 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D'ohand I am guessing to reformat it, I would have to remove everything first and the re-format to NTFS, correct? fiddle sticks and fudge knuckles Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Your drive in question is probably formatted in the FAT32 file system. There is a 4GB filesize limitation in FAT32. If thats a serious problem for you, and you don't expect to be using this external drive on a Mac or anything you could always reformat to NTFS which does not have such a limit. (well it technically does have a limit but its some crazy-huge number well in excess of the size of your drive and thus one that you wont ever hit) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 12:58 PM, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
You can do a conversion to NTFS that doesnt destroy data: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.php But theres a small but real risk of something going wrong with the conversion, so its wise to backup everything, but this sort of defeats the advantage of converting. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah. :( Re-formatting it to NTFS will erase the stuff on there, so you'll have to copy the good stuff elsewhere first. I should also point out that there are apps out there to allow you to access an NTFS drive on a Mac if push comes to shove. (So don't feel like NTFS means you'll never be able to plug it into a mac if you absolutely had to.) HFS+ is the similar 'no limit' filesystem on a Mac I believe and there are apps to read these drives from within windows as well ... but in general if you're expecting to use it in windows, go with NTFS. - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 1:46 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D'ohand I am guessing to reformat it, I would have to remove everything first and the re-format to NTFS, correct? fiddle sticks and fudge knuckles Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Your drive in question is probably formatted in the FAT32 file system. There is a 4GB filesize limitation in FAT32. If thats a serious problem for you, and you don't expect to be using this external drive on a Mac or anything you could always reformat to NTFS which does not have such a limit. (well it technically does have a limit but its some crazy-huge number well in excess of the size of your drive and thus one that you wont ever hit) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 12:58 PM, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
yeah it picks up youtube tags as well. I've been following shelbinatorTV (a youtube poster) via mefeedia for example. Here's an example: http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/navlopomo-9-sleep-1-insomnia-0/4319118/ On Nov 13, 2007 1:52 PM, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip ones were there ok. sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all! kath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. -- http://www.aliak.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
That wikipedia debate appeared to kill what little goodwill and tolerance people showed towards me in the past. I was used to getting few replies to my posts, but since then I get virtually none, and my posts havent changed in length. I talk too much in the flesh too, its a part of me, Im stuck with it, wheras everyone in this group will eventually escape it when, one day, for whatever reasons, I dont post here anymore. I dont think Im any sort of voice of reason. I have ideas about what a discussion should involve, what the boundaries word count are, that do not appear to be the norm, which, along with various other social deformities, make me a general failure at being human, as my genital cobwebs will attest to. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, this is the most exciting thing I've seen since the Wikipedia Storm of '07. Heath, it's definitely a pattern I know and enjoy and Dennis, you may be right that it has very little to do with Videoblogging but it is very much the videoblogging group. :) I always found it interesting to have an inside perspective of this medium's moguls. I doubt there's a Yahoo Group in which Rupert Murdoch contributes. As a side note to Andrew, I have to stand up for Steve here as he's often the voice of reason in this group and in a past experience had stood up for me and Wikipedia's core content policies when it was the very unpopular thing to do. However there is something to be said for for being concise in discussions. I once heard from a wise source: Posts longer than 100 words are difficult to understand and are frequently either ignored, misunderstood or misinterpreted. darn...151 words...now 156... On Nov 13, 2007 5:05 AM, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didn't seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. AH YES!!! Its all about power, mwahahahahaha! But what kind of Power did you say!? A DIFFERENT kind?? M I like the sound of this . . . . A NEW kind of Power! BETTER THAN MONEY!!! Speaking of power Steve, I dare you to not respond to a single thread on this list. Ill bet you can't do it in under 5000 words. Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
To go a bit more in depth with your question ... If its got an RSS feed, MeFeedia can index it. If I were a youtuber, I'd put my youtube rss feed into mefeedia just like I would put my blip feed there if I were a blip user. Some stuff just happens automagically, but if you've got a feed why not add it to mefeedia and claim it in your profile to take credit!? =D For example... my YouTube username is IndyVlogger and thus my YouTube feed is: http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/IndyVlogger/videos.rss I could add this feed into MeFeedia and claim it as my show in my profile. (I could just rely on my videos coming in via YouTube's recent posts view, popular posts view, tag views, etc ... but I prefer to have my shows listed as their own defined thing) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 1:52 PM, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip ones were there ok. sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all! kath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. -- http://www.aliak.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
great! thanks I'll try it when I get home tonight. thanks for the explanation also. (I hadn't even noticed youtube had an rss feed to be honest - I should pay more attention to these things ;) On Nov 13, 2007 9:10 PM, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To go a bit more in depth with your question ... If its got an RSS feed, MeFeedia can index it. If I were a youtuber, I'd put my youtube rss feed into mefeedia just like I would put my blip feed there if I were a blip user. Some stuff just happens automagically, but if you've got a feed why not add it to mefeedia and claim it in your profile to take credit!? =D For example... my YouTube username is IndyVlogger and thus my YouTube feed is: http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/IndyVlogger/videos.rss I could add this feed into MeFeedia and claim it as my show in my profile. (I could just rely on my videos coming in via YouTube's recent posts view, popular posts view, tag views, etc ... but I prefer to have my shows listed as their own defined thing) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 1:52 PM, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip ones were there ok. sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all! kath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. -- http://www.aliak.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com -- http://www.aliak.com
[videoblogging] Re: Digital Hardrives/transfer issues
D'oh, again.sometimes you just can't see the forrest for the treesthanks! Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heath Before you format, try using WinZip to zip the files up and split them up into smaller files. Take them off the USB stick/drive/whatever you are using then format the drive. Hope that helps. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: yeah. :( Re-formatting it to NTFS will erase the stuff on there, so you'll have to copy the good stuff elsewhere first. I should also point out that there are apps out there to allow you to access an NTFS drive on a Mac if push comes to shove. (So don't feel like NTFS means you'll never be able to plug it into a mac if you absolutely had to.) HFS+ is the similar 'no limit' filesystem on a Mac I believe and there are apps to read these drives from within windows as well ... but in general if you're expecting to use it in windows, go with NTFS. - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 1:46 PM, Heath heathparks@ wrote: D'ohand I am guessing to reformat it, I would have to remove everything first and the re-format to NTFS, correct? fiddle sticks and fudge knuckles Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade meade.dave@ wrote: Your drive in question is probably formatted in the FAT32 file system. There is a 4GB filesize limitation in FAT32. If thats a serious problem for you, and you don't expect to be using this external drive on a Mac or anything you could always reformat to NTFS which does not have such a limit. (well it technically does have a limit but its some crazy-huge number well in excess of the size of your drive and thus one that you wont ever hit) - Dave On Nov 13, 2007 12:58 PM, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Speaking of hard drives, has this happened to anyone else, whenever I try and transfer a video file that is over 4 gigs or so, maybe 4.5 gigs, my computer won't let me transfer it. It says the file is in use, but it's not, it only happens with larger files and Robert it's a Seagate, so any ideas? I am running Windows media center 2005, and it's set up with a usb 2.0 cable Heath http://batmangeek.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Tuesday, November 13, 2007, 1:34:37 PM, Rupert wrote: People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? I think it might be useful to distinguish between watching on a computer, and watching on-line. I hardly ever watch anything on-line. There's something about the in-web-page experience that simply does not work for me. On the other hand, I watch quite a lot on my computer screen. There are a several reasons for this; here are a few I can think of right now: * The rest of my family would prefer to watch other stuff on the TV in the lounge. Likewise I am not at all interested in watching kids shows, soap operas and medical dramas. So we agree to differ, and I get the PC. * The stuff I want to watch is not available on regular TV. No, it's not *that* sort of stuff. Mostly what I am interested in is either independent internet video or old TV from the 1960s onwards - I have been having great fun watching *all* the available episodes of Doctor Who ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who ), for example. I'm currently part way through Tom Baker ... To show that I'm not a complete cheapskate I did buy a boxed set of The Tomorrow People ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tomorrow_People ) * I have become mildly addicted to the extra meta information you can get when watching something in a PC media player. I get twitchy if I can't glance at a progress indicator to see how far through I am, and love the ability to pause and look up on the web something which occurs to me while watching. For these sorts of reasons, I'm not especially interested in a set top box. We don't even have cable, satellite, or digital TV, so we only get the regular five channels. -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk
Re: [videoblogging] Bored
We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
Hi Kath, Yes, Mefeedia does pick up tags from YouTube videos. Since we don't spider/crawl (mefeedia is 100% user-submitted), your YouTube user feed or a YouTube tag feed needs to be submitted to Mefeedia first (YouTube does supply RSS feeds for each user, although they don't publicize it - http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/[your YouTube username]/videos.rss - and YouTube also has tag feeds - http://youtube.com/rss/tag/[tag here].rss). I just added the Navlopomo07 YouTube tag feed to mefeedia: http://mefeedia.com/feeds/26786/ (one annoying thing about YouTube feeds - they only go back 20 entries) These are now part of the tag and tag feed. Thanks! Regards, -Frank http://www.mefeedia.com/user/franks - What are you watching? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kath O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just out of interest, does meefeedia pickup the navlopomo07 tags from the youtube videos also? or just the rss feeds? I tried to find some from there the other day but maybe I did something wrong. all the blip ones were there ok. sorry if it's a dumb question - I can't d/l all the videos usually due to b/w limitations so usually just view a few via web. all I've seen have been great, but yes, it's hard to keep up with watching them all! kath --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe rupert@ wrote: The easiest and best way to get ALL the videos is to go to: http://www.mefeedia.com/tags/navlopomo07/ That's the tag you should use for your vids: navlopomo07 There are almost 500 videos there already. In 12 days. -- http://www.aliak.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: NaVloPoMo - the 12th
yeah they make it so hard to find. But here's their low-down on rss feeds: http://www.youtube.com/rssls -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. Hindsight... David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bored
It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. yeah...we had these discussion over the years. we all agreed that messages need to be in our inbox. we would never go to a site to see what was posted. many of us live in our email...and now twitter. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. especially after Gmail came out, I just put this list onto a filter. conversations are threaded. I ignore plenty. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bored
the forum idea has been passed around several times over the years ... for some reason there was always resistance to it. (I like the idea too). There are forum apps out there that have RSS feeds and can email you new posts ... there'd be very little impact for anyone who wanted to keep their email or rss view of the discussion. eh .. so much seems to happen in twitter now-a-days .. but that sucks for the newbies. On Nov 13, 2007 2:28 PM, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. Hindsight... David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9 Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Well, it was pretty awful and I too unsubscribed afterward. ...but there's just something about it that draws you in... as I'm sure many participants in this thread can attest to. but boy is it nice to be on the sidelines. which is why i'm going to shut up now. On Nov 13, 2007 1:51 PM, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed that you like it Patrick, as we all went to town about you in April. It was enough to make me unsubscribe, because I got so caught up with it. I don't get the enjoyment of it. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, this is the most exciting thing I've seen since the Wikipedia Storm of '07. Heath, it's definitely a pattern I know and enjoy and Dennis, you may be right that it has very little to do with Videoblogging but it is very much the videoblogging group. :) I always found it interesting to have an inside perspective of this medium's moguls. I doubt there's a Yahoo Group in which Rupert Murdoch contributes. As a side note to Andrew, I have to stand up for Steve here as he's often the voice of reason in this group and in a past experience had stood up for me and Wikipedia's core content policies when it was the very unpopular thing to do. However there is something to be said for for being concise in discussions. I once heard from a wise source: Posts longer than 100 words are difficult to understand and are frequently either ignored, misunderstood or misinterpreted. darn...151 words...now 156... On Nov 13, 2007 5:05 AM, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didn't seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. AH YES!!! Its all about power, mwahahahahaha! But what kind of Power did you say!? A DIFFERENT kind?? M I like the sound of this . . . . A NEW kind of Power! BETTER THAN MONEY!!! Speaking of power Steve, I dare you to not respond to a single thread on this list. Ill bet you can't do it in under 5000 words. Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives?
As you have seen in the replies, it's pretty much a crap shoot regarding hard drives. At work we handle hundreds, if not thousands, of hard drives regularly. The ones that fail most of the time are LaCie and Seagate even though we buy primarily Western Digital internal and Maxtor externals. We have relatively few problems with Western Digital and Maxtor. Hard drives have moving parts that are bound to fail. The best choice for storing large amounts of data is some sort of RAID configuration where if one or two disks go, the data can be reconstructed. Even then you still have to back the data up if it's valuable. The funny thing about media is that pretty much everything out there WILL fail. CDs and DVDs have shelf lives (not sure what it is though). And hard drives crash. Companies still use tapes for backup and they are problematic as well. All that to say: Use a RAID and backup often. . . . Kenya Allmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kenya.allmond.us http://kenya.allmond.us/vlog VM/F 202-478-0490 To thine own self be true. - Original Message From: John Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:22:56 AM Subject: [videoblogging] bad Western Digital Hardrives? I think I read either here or on Twitter that Bill Streeter had 3 harddrives go bad last week. I'm starting to find that my Western Digital WD HD's don't show up on the desktop. And one of them had smoke coming out like a toaster. Any other thoughts on these always on sale at Best Buy clunkers. I'm gonna spend the $ on reliable LaCie. John Jimmy CraicHead TVVideo Podcast about Sailing, Travel, Craic and Cocktails www.jchtv.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Links Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I dont think Im any sort of voice of reason. I have ideas about what a discussion should involve, what the boundaries word count are, that do not appear to be the norm, which, along with various other social deformities, make me a general failure at being human, as my genital cobwebs will attest to. steve, I hope you know we love you. any lack of response to your emails are probably more due to our lack of wordmanship. As to the poetry in your last paragraph attests, you should make videos for evilvlog where all the superstars go. no boundaries or expectations. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] vidblog from IGF in Rio
[a nice effort] http://www.elon.edu/e-web/predictions/internet_governance_forum_2007.xhtml Internet Governance Forum in Rio - November 2007 The world's second Internet Governance Forum, is taking place in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Nov. 12-15, 2007. The Rio IGF is the second of five annual global events that attract stakeholders from all walks of life who come together to discuss issues tied to the future of information and communications technologies, including control over the internet architecture and numbering and naming system, security, intellectual property, openness, connectivity, cost and multilingualism. This site features reporting from the IGF proceedings. Daily written and video reports assembled by Imagining the Internet are linked, offering an exploration of the issues and interviews with people from around the world. --- WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com ---
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
Great list of purposes for this group. Really well thought out. The last item is gossip fight. Gossip can be positive, more often than fighting, and can lead to interesting discussions. And gossip is generally done here in a friendly spirit. Since the fighting is the last item, and when it happens it gets in the way of (and devalues) all the other 5/6 more important items, I think it's something we could encourage people to take to their blogs. And not duplicate it here, just link. (Unless someone else brings it as a matter of interest. Like happened with Lan Podtech. He never brought it here, or discussed it here. And actually, the Podtech discussion, as heated as it got, stayed very impersonal and stuck to the issues, for the most part.) When I was a newbie here in spring/summer 05, I saw the fighting and thought 'these people are weird'. If No 1 is to help people start videoblogging, this kind of stuff is totally counterproductive. In my humble opinion ;) Rupert http://twittervlog.tv http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
Yeah, a lot of us read in threads anyway, in gmail or whatever. Even if each discussion was in its own 'room', with space to continue a discussion for longer than this list allows, those rooms/threads would still be poisoned and killed by personal slanging matches and shouting. I need my emails, too - I'd never visit a forum. But that's just me. I wonder if what we need is a Blog. Kind of like a Yahoo VB List Extra. Longer discussions could be taken out of the group and continued on a blog for discussion in text comments and video comments that we can subscribe to? Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. Hindsight... David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Thanks Jay. Lets not indulge my occasional forays into self-hate and self-pity showers too much though eh, these are the times I probably should be ignored. Or this is an example of where I go wrong, always focus on the negative Theres a lot of people here who are a help and inspiration to me. One day I hope to harness the flickers of positivity and possibility within me, and achieve something useful. Ive proven to myself that I can do this, in very small doses, this year, but have yet to learn how to sustain it. Anyways, I shall now try to take my own advice and post something completely different. I still intend to join in with this navlopomo or whatever its called, even if Ive missed nearly half of it. Returning vaguely to the original topic, it just occured to me that this thread is more like what a real human search engine could be like... Do a search and get back a dozen people arguing about suitable results :D Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think Im any sort of voice of reason. I have ideas about what a discussion should involve, what the boundaries word count are, that do not appear to be the norm, which, along with various other social deformities, make me a general failure at being human, as my genital cobwebs will attest to. steve, I hope you know we love you. any lack of response to your emails are probably more due to our lack of wordmanship. As to the poetry in your last paragraph attests, you should make videos for evilvlog where all the superstars go. no boundaries or expectations. jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bored
Since the fighting is the last item, and when it happens it gets in the way of (and devalues) all the other 5/6 more important items, I think it's something we could encourage people to take to their blogs. And not duplicate it here, just link. agreed. this is a great suggestion. if a thread starts getting heated...lets just ask the parties involved to take the time to blog their positions. Then the outside world can get involved as well. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
Unsurprisingly I dont subscribe to the idea that arguments like these get in the way of other discussions or devalue them. If that happens, its because people choose to let it distract them. Its fair enough that when things get nasty/ugly, some peoples reactions is to get the negative poop out of their lives, either by trying to shut others up, or by leaving, or whatever. Its some sort of natural internal defense I guess. I was always up for forums rather than a signle list, though for different reasons, and not optimistic about it actually ever happening. Even with forums, arguments, spill over to other areas and the vibe-poisoning effect is stillt he same. But would a world without such confrontations be a good thing? I think not, I think in a strange way it is necessary for people to get ugly to get to the bottom of things. A world in which nobody argues is a world in which unspeakable horrors are likely to go unchecked because they are unpalatable to think about. If liberals save the planet then maybe I will change my tune, and if everyone was as decent a human as you then this ugliness would not be necessary (not being sarcastic there, I think you have a great personality), but for now I remain sadly on the side that believes you get to learn a lot from uglyness. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great list of purposes for this group. Really well thought out. The last item is gossip fight. Gossip can be positive, more often than fighting, and can lead to interesting discussions. And gossip is generally done here in a friendly spirit. Since the fighting is the last item, and when it happens it gets in the way of (and devalues) all the other 5/6 more important items, I think it's something we could encourage people to take to their blogs. And not duplicate it here, just link. (Unless someone else brings it as a matter of interest. Like happened with Lan Podtech. He never brought it here, or discussed it here. And actually, the Podtech discussion, as heated as it got, stayed very impersonal and stuck to the issues, for the most part.) When I was a newbie here in spring/summer 05, I saw the fighting and thought 'these people are weird'. If No 1 is to help people start videoblogging, this kind of stuff is totally counterproductive. In my humble opinion ;) Rupert http://twittervlog.tv http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
I think a lot of people stopped posting so much for a while, and discussing things at length. I'm sure there wasn't any backing away from you. On 13 Nov 2007, at 19:09, Steve Watkins wrote: That wikipedia debate appeared to kill what little goodwill and tolerance people showed towards me in the past. I was used to getting few replies to my posts, but since then I get virtually none, and my posts havent changed in length. I talk too much in the flesh too, its a part of me, Im stuck with it, wheras everyone in this group will eventually escape it when, one day, for whatever reasons, I dont post here anymore. I dont think Im any sort of voice of reason. I have ideas about what a discussion should involve, what the boundaries word count are, that do not appear to be the norm, which, along with various other social deformities, make me a general failure at being human, as my genital cobwebs will attest to. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, this is the most exciting thing I've seen since the Wikipedia Storm of '07. Heath, it's definitely a pattern I know and enjoy and Dennis, you may be right that it has very little to do with Videoblogging but it is very much the videoblogging group. :) I always found it interesting to have an inside perspective of this medium's moguls. I doubt there's a Yahoo Group in which Rupert Murdoch contributes. As a side note to Andrew, I have to stand up for Steve here as he's often the voice of reason in this group and in a past experience had stood up for me and Wikipedia's core content policies when it was the very unpopular thing to do. However there is something to be said for for being concise in discussions. I once heard from a wise source: Posts longer than 100 words are difficult to understand and are frequently either ignored, misunderstood or misinterpreted. darn...151 words...now 156... On Nov 13, 2007 5:05 AM, Andrew Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Steve Watkins wrote: So whilst I admired the fact that rocketboom didn't seem to be selling out in the usual sense, for money, I became disturbed by some possible signs that Mr Baron was seeking to achieve a different sort of power. AH YES!!! Its all about power, mwahahahahaha! But what kind of Power did you say!? A DIFFERENT kind?? M I like the sound of this . . . . A NEW kind of Power! BETTER THAN MONEY!!! Speaking of power Steve, I dare you to not respond to a single thread on this list. Ill bet you can't do it in under 5000 words. Speaking of Jason, he's most known for: 1. Stealing the idea and the people from Gizmodo to make the identical knock off- Engagdget 2. Not paying employees fair wages. 3. Trying to steal Amanda from Rocketboom (only one day after news broke) 4. Trying to steal top posters from Digg for Netscape 2. Killing Netscape by making it into a Diggclone and then getting fired from AOL 3. Building a site called Mahalo which is suffering badly and no one likes. Not just based on these few examples which have been extremely destructive to the world, but also based on his regular, stereotypical activity of attacking people instead of their work, I just want to throw out that Jason's only means of being popular is exactly this: taking and causing conflict. Look no further than Ann Coulter. It works great for her. If they can't do it based on their own good ideas and they cant do it while collaborating with others, at least they can do it by shitting all over everyone. Usually a good post has a lot of conversation but doesn't cause others to speak out so negatively at the author. This is likely the reason why there have been SO MANY bad reactions to Jason's post: When one lives their life so selfishly while attacking and being brutal, its destructive to everyone around because it causes damage and rubs off on the rest off. My original answer to the original thread was likely not considered. The best way to grow your audience is not by spamming everyone. Its by improving your show. At this point Jason, you really shouldn't be asking any other questions until you get that one worked out. You got Veronica, she's great. You should be paying Veronica more, you need to invest in some better equipment and get some production help. How can you improve the show? We ask ourselves this question every single day and it continues to receive the most concern out of every thing we do. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bored
As much as people don't like seeing a thread derailed, I think people also don't like seeing comments like take it to your blog. I'd rather see a message that expresses please, no personal attacks than those that express go back to where you came from. I guess what I'm saying is that if you see something you don't like you should ignore it or talk about it. I just don't think telling someone to take it somewhere else is the appropriate answer. (though I could maybe be convinced otherwise, any thoughts?) After all, this is a discussion group and discussions should flow freely. The linear thread style of gmail (which most of us probably use) makes it difficult to ignore certain branches of a thread. Until the format changes, we have to accept that those branches will be whipping us in the face once in a while. On Nov 13, 2007 3:13 PM, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unsurprisingly I dont subscribe to the idea that arguments like these get in the way of other discussions or devalue them. If that happens, its because people choose to let it distract them. Its fair enough that when things get nasty/ugly, some peoples reactions is to get the negative poop out of their lives, either by trying to shut others up, or by leaving, or whatever. Its some sort of natural internal defense I guess. I was always up for forums rather than a signle list, though for different reasons, and not optimistic about it actually ever happening. Even with forums, arguments, spill over to other areas and the vibe-poisoning effect is stillt he same. But would a world without such confrontations be a good thing? I think not, I think in a strange way it is necessary for people to get ugly to get to the bottom of things. A world in which nobody argues is a world in which unspeakable horrors are likely to go unchecked because they are unpalatable to think about. If liberals save the planet then maybe I will change my tune, and if everyone was as decent a human as you then this ugliness would not be necessary (not being sarcastic there, I think you have a great personality), but for now I remain sadly on the side that believes you get to learn a lot from uglyness. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great list of purposes for this group. Really well thought out. The last item is gossip fight. Gossip can be positive, more often than fighting, and can lead to interesting discussions. And gossip is generally done here in a friendly spirit. Since the fighting is the last item, and when it happens it gets in the way of (and devalues) all the other 5/6 more important items, I think it's something we could encourage people to take to their blogs. And not duplicate it here, just link. (Unless someone else brings it as a matter of interest. Like happened with Lan Podtech. He never brought it here, or discussed it here. And actually, the Podtech discussion, as heated as it got, stayed very impersonal and stuck to the issues, for the most part.) When I was a newbie here in spring/summer 05, I saw the fighting and thought 'these people are weird'. If No 1 is to help people start videoblogging, this kind of stuff is totally counterproductive. In my humble opinion ;) Rupert http://twittervlog.tv http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
Rather sad when a group that tries to push new media subscribes and restricts itself to old technology like email. If this was a forum, there would be post and threads. If there were personal attacks and such, a moderator could delete the post or simply close the thread. That's the beauty of forums. They are moderated. People would never get away with some of the crap that goes on here. If someone slagged someone in one of the Help areas, a moderator would just remove that post. As I said way back when the forum idea was brought up, I prefer forums. My inbox is already full of things that require my attention. I dont really want more email to distract me or clutter up my mind. You say you would never go to a forum yet you visit your inbox all the time? I dont understand that thinking. As Mr Meade said, you could, if you so desired, have everything emailed to you anyways with a forum. Of course...if nothing changes, then nothing changes I guess. I didnt start the group and was not involved when the ground rules were laid out and will probably leave the group long before it ceases to exist. For what it's worth, and not like they matter at all, those are only my opinions. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, a lot of us read in threads anyway, in gmail or whatever. Even if each discussion was in its own 'room', with space to continue a discussion for longer than this list allows, those rooms/threads would still be poisoned and killed by personal slanging matches and shouting. I need my emails, too - I'd never visit a forum. But that's just me. I wonder if what we need is a Blog. Kind of like a Yahoo VB List Extra. Longer discussions could be taken out of the group and continued on a blog for discussion in text comments and video comments that we can subscribe to? Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. Hindsight... David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Rupert wrote: People will not watch shows on a computer. Do you know anybody who watches anything on a computer? Other than the odd bored moment surfing old TV shows on Youtube? ... I firmly believe it's just a matter of someone bringing internet video to the couch. I watch all my DVDs and my video subscriptions using Miro on my computer and my couch! When plugged in to my Bose wave radio, the video and audio is much better than my old CRT TV.
[videoblogging] Critique of new MySpace video series
Rick Rey twittered about this review: http://current.com/items/87240791_myspace_gets_original pretty smart. you got to wait till the end for all the goodies. The show seems to be everything bad with TV but more poorly done. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Advice on how to get to 100-250k views a day (quickly)?
Interestingly enough, to both aspects of this conversation, A) Mahalo, and B) formula... Veronica posted today that Mahalo Daily was featured on iTunes today: http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2007/11/mahalo-daily-featured-on-itunes/ along with WallStrip, Daily Feed, Epic-Fu, Crave, Alive in Mexico, Fuel TV, and NPR: Bryant Park Project. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ wrote: Saying sex sells is only a small part of a longstanding and more comprehensive theory in advertising that creating a somewhat realistic aspirational arrival point for an audience is what sells. This is why we have women presenting on many of these shows that are good looking, but more within reach for male audiences than a runway model would be. The idea that these male viewers have somewhat of a chance keeps eyes on the screen, or at least encourages the eyes to return to the screen. Interesting point. That makes sense. It also makes sense from a basic, yet admittedly stereotypical position of models being models, and mostly nothing else. If you hire a model that's TOO attractive, the viewer isn't going to internally BELIEVE that she actually knows (or cares) anything about the topic. I know that's unfair, and that there are lots of really attractive women that are really intelligent and have great personalities at the same time. However, it would be the same effect as booth babes at trade shows or umbrella girls @ MotoGP races. You might feed the booth babes a couple of lines about the product, but nobody believes they're anything more than hired guns, designed to cheat the viewer into paying attention in the direction of the product they're standing next to... while they're wearing spandex in the middle of winter. (not that *I*m complaining about THAT! :D) I'm not talking about women that actually know something and are representatives of the company, but you'll notice that they tend to be dressed differently, and have a completely different presentation and presence. They're expected to be knowledgeable and proficient, because they're the SUBSTANCE, the bridge between the gawkers coming by to see the booth babes, and them actually becoming aware of and interested in buying her company's product. So, yes... Part of the formula is go good-looking-female, but don't overdo it! :D When looking across the advertising spectrum and into more general interest brands that run across demographics, you see that this theory has manifested in more diverse ways than the proliferation of sexuality. There's nothing overtly or covertly sexual in Apple's marketing of the iPod, for example, but there is something overtly sexy about how an iPod is marketed. I personally think it's a bit silly to keep repeating the girl-tells-us-about-tech model over and over, lazily avoiding the development of new audiences. I'd love to get some research on this, but I hypothesize that these types of shows (Webb Alert, Geekbrief, etc. Rocketboom is a bit different because there's more of a hipster demo going on there) are being watched by the same slowly-growing crowd. Unfortunately, as the formula keeps working, groups are going to keep *working* it. LonelyBoy15 would have been a never-viewed failure. I agree with you that it's laziness. At this point in time, groups are struggling JUST to put a show together, forget about experimenting with new models! :) They want to know what attractive girl they can get, how well she comes across on camera and how much 'cred' she has in whatever the field is in THAT order. 'Cred' is good for initial numbers, but not necessary if she can read what the ghost-writers feed her. I am looking forward to seeing who's going to be brave enough to throw away or at least expand on the girl-on-a-screen model when it comes to tech reporting on the web, creating a larger market than the present niche by providing aspirational arrival points for more than just males, primarily 18-25, maybe 35. These shows have mastered a niche, but have are not bringing other niches to the table as building blocks to a larger and more general audience. Excellent point. The target zone is getting younger, not older. Shows are being made to appeal to the lowest common denominator, like MTV-watchers, viral video and email-joke-senders. I had a meeting with a newspaper owner about bringing his paper online, and his inital response was well... that might be good for the younger readers I think that in general, people are seeing technology as being used increasingly by younger viewers/users and assuming that older internet users just fade away. Using your aspirational arrival points theory, the younger a female lead is in a show, the farther away she gets from being in the AAP of an older male,
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bored
I'm definitely not a regular contributor but I agree with David. This format just doesn't seem to be working as people keep unsubscribing and whenever there *is* an interesting discussion, it ends in bitterness. A forum would probably work much much better. In order to properly make the switch we could start a campaign where everyone mentions the new forum in their latest vlog. We could provide instructions on how to forward all messages to your inbox. I'd be happy to create a tutorial. Are there any forums that are ahead of their time that we can look at and discuss? Patrick On Nov 13, 2007 4:02 PM, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather sad when a group that tries to push new media subscribes and restricts itself to old technology like email. If this was a forum, there would be post and threads. If there were personal attacks and such, a moderator could delete the post or simply close the thread. That's the beauty of forums. They are moderated. People would never get away with some of the crap that goes on here. If someone slagged someone in one of the Help areas, a moderator would just remove that post. As I said way back when the forum idea was brought up, I prefer forums. My inbox is already full of things that require my attention. I dont really want more email to distract me or clutter up my mind. You say you would never go to a forum yet you visit your inbox all the time? I dont understand that thinking. As Mr Meade said, you could, if you so desired, have everything emailed to you anyways with a forum. Of course...if nothing changes, then nothing changes I guess. I didnt start the group and was not involved when the ground rules were laid out and will probably leave the group long before it ceases to exist. For what it's worth, and not like they matter at all, those are only my opinions. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, a lot of us read in threads anyway, in gmail or whatever. Even if each discussion was in its own 'room', with space to continue a discussion for longer than this list allows, those rooms/threads would still be poisoned and killed by personal slanging matches and shouting. I need my emails, too - I'd never visit a forum. But that's just me. I wonder if what we need is a Blog. Kind of like a Yahoo VB List Extra. Longer discussions could be taken out of the group and continued on a blog for discussion in text comments and video comments that we can subscribe to? Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. Hindsight... David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/jaydedman Photos: http://flickr.com/photos/jaydedman/ RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
it looks like people aren't into the idea of a forum type group, but i've been working on a Ning.com site for Gardenfork and RealWorldGreen and it can send emails when new items are posted, and has some integration with Facebook and Twitter. and you can post videos. eric. .
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Bored
Patrick Delongchamp wrote: I'm definitely not a regular contributor but I agree with David. This format just doesn't seem to be working as people keep unsubscribing and whenever there *is* an interesting discussion, it ends in bitterness. Perhaps people could use e-mail clients that support threads? And then have the discipline (?) to avoid the threads they don't like?
[videoblogging] Question about Other Video posting Sites
Hey Everyone, My name is Jill. I am on youtube, my link is http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx i recently started vloging for a company that deals with nudity. I started a new channel on youtube called http://www.youtube.com/icnakedpeople Because I am somewhat popular on my xgobobeanx channel, I have haters and stalkers. These two groups have followed me over to my icnakedpeople channel and have been trying to get it shut down for inappropriate content. I am not showing nudity, but it is more of a silly talk show about stories regarding nudity- nude beach experiences, new parties... etc. If you have 5 free mins, please jump over to the channel and take a look. ( i hope none of my stalkers on this email list- if anyone wants to trade scary stalker stories i am all ears) Anyhow- are there any other video posting sites that would except this talk show? I tried contacting blip, but have not heard back from them. I am not looking to get a million views, i am just looking to not have my channel banned, or flagged, or taken down. Any suggestions... please please please.. i am so desperate. Not sure if anyone has every experienced haters, stalkers, and obsessed people, but it hurts and you feel out of control, because nothing can be done. Thank you for listening, Jill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Online Video Posting Sites, HELP NEEDED please! :)
Hey Everyone, My name is Jill. I am on youtube, my link is http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx i recently started vloging for a company that deals with nudity. I started a new channel on youtube called http://www.youtube.com/icnakedpeople Because I am somewhat popular on my xgobobeanx channel, I have haters and stalkers. These two groups have followed me over to my icnakedpeople channel and have been trying to get it shut down for inappropriate content. I am not showing nudity, but it is more of a silly talk show about stories regarding nudity- nude beach experiences, new parties... etc. If you have 5 free mins, please jump over to the channel and take a look. ( i hope none of my stalkers on this email list- if anyone wants to trade scary stalker stories i am all ears) Anyhow- are there any other video posting sites that would except this talk show? I tried contacting blip, but have not heard back from them. I am not looking to get a million views, i am just looking to not have my channel banned, or flagged, or taken down. Any suggestions... please please please.. i am so desperate. Not sure if anyone has every experienced haters, stalkers, and obsessed people, but it hurts and you feel out of control, because nothing can be done. Thank you for listening, Jill
[videoblogging] ripping a small portion of a DVD?
Anyone know of a free program for OSX that I can use rip just a 3 minute segment from a long chunk of video on a DVD?
[videoblogging] Re: Bored
Ive never used email to read or write to this group. The yahoo web interface is not as good as a forum, but its gradually moved closer, eg you can view messages by thread. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/messages There were attempts to setup forums some years ago, but there were never enough people who signed up. Frustrating though it is that inferior technology is used, this group achieved the critical mass of users necessary to make it some sort of community, and thats hard to replicate. And as for forums moderators, it can be quite a drain on those who do the policing. All too easily an 'us and them' thang can appear at times of strife. The 'light touch' approach on this list seems to have mostly worked ok, and avoids replacing the nasty feelings from ugly arguments, with nasty feelings that debate is being supressed. Arguments here end in the natural way, they fade off when the participants themselves get bored of it, or react badly to advise to chill out, and leave permanently. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rather sad when a group that tries to push new media subscribes and restricts itself to old technology like email. If this was a forum, there would be post and threads. If there were personal attacks and such, a moderator could delete the post or simply close the thread. That's the beauty of forums. They are moderated. People would never get away with some of the crap that goes on here. If someone slagged someone in one of the Help areas, a moderator would just remove that post. As I said way back when the forum idea was brought up, I prefer forums. My inbox is already full of things that require my attention. I dont really want more email to distract me or clutter up my mind. You say you would never go to a forum yet you visit your inbox all the time? I dont understand that thinking. As Mr Meade said, you could, if you so desired, have everything emailed to you anyways with a forum. Of course...if nothing changes, then nothing changes I guess. I didnt start the group and was not involved when the ground rules were laid out and will probably leave the group long before it ceases to exist. For what it's worth, and not like they matter at all, those are only my opinions. David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert Howe rupert@ wrote: Yeah, a lot of us read in threads anyway, in gmail or whatever. Even if each discussion was in its own 'room', with space to continue a discussion for longer than this list allows, those rooms/threads would still be poisoned and killed by personal slanging matches and shouting. I need my emails, too - I'd never visit a forum. But that's just me. I wonder if what we need is a Blog. Kind of like a Yahoo VB List Extra. Longer discussions could be taken out of the group and continued on a blog for discussion in text comments and video comments that we can subscribe to? Rupert --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell taoofdavid@ wrote: It's a real shame that this group never went the way of a forum. Would could have all those things you listed in different sections on the forum and then people could post in the respective areas. Those looking for help wouldnt have to be inundated with things they have no interest in and people that want to duke it out could do so off in a different area. Hindsight... David http://www.taoofdavid.com http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.dedman@ wrote: We all get heated about issues - fine - but if people have got something negative to say about another person, about their motivations or anything that's likely to lead to a personal slanging match, perhaps they could show us the courtesy of having their open and frank discussion on a blog and linking to it here. andrew did blog it here: http://dembot.com/post/19305296 i hear you though. Substance in discussions is necessary. We are trying to help each other do better than before. after one of the blow-ups last year, I made a list last year of what I thought the Videoblogging list was for: 1. help new people to start videoblogging 2. discuss new tech and its implications 3. discuss what we need...and build it! 4. let new companies know what is expected community behavior (after we agree what it is) 5. discuss creator's rights 6. gossip and fight we are certainly a chaotic crowd and gossip and fight is just a group dynamic. doesnt mean we got to encourage or stand for itbut here we are. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Video: http://ryanishungry.com
Re: [videoblogging] Online Video Posting Sites, HELP NEEDED please! :)
nice grapix blip should host that for ya no problim just put explicative content on the up load page but then agagin i could be wrong just rember blip is great all hail blip blip,blip huraray On Nov 13, 2007 5:34 PM, jt_hanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everyone, My name is Jill. I am on youtube, my link is http://www.youtube.com/xgobobeanx i recently started vloging for a company that deals with nudity. I started a new channel on youtube called http://www.youtube.com/icnakedpeople Because I am somewhat popular on my xgobobeanx channel, I have haters and stalkers. These two groups have followed me over to my icnakedpeople channel and have been trying to get it shut down for inappropriate content. I am not showing nudity, but it is more of a silly talk show about stories regarding nudity- nude beach experiences, new parties... etc. If you have 5 free mins, please jump over to the channel and take a look. ( i hope none of my stalkers on this email list- if anyone wants to trade scary stalker stories i am all ears) Anyhow- are there any other video posting sites that would except this talk show? I tried contacting blip, but have not heard back from them. I am not looking to get a million views, i am just looking to not have my channel banned, or flagged, or taken down. Any suggestions... please please please.. i am so desperate. Not sure if anyone has every experienced haters, stalkers, and obsessed people, but it hurts and you feel out of control, because nothing can be done. Thank you for listening, Jill
Re: [videoblogging] ripping a small portion of a DVD?
handbreak On Nov 13, 2007 5:46 PM, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of a free program for OSX that I can use rip just a 3 minute segment from a long chunk of video on a DVD?
[videoblogging] Miro Media Player Epic-Fu still shot in TechCrunch
Miro Media Player Released; Billed as Open Joost Competitor by Mark Hendrickson Version 1.0 of the open-source video player Miro was released earlier today http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/13/miro-media-player-released-billed-as-open-joost-competitor/ or http://tinyurl.com/yqmh6h
