RE: Perennial Bab?

2005-01-24 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto: You had mentioned the Egyptian obsession with immortality. I'm driving at the idea that many human beings have this desire in different ages. Well, yeah. But that's merely stating the obvious. I don't see your point. Gilberto: I'm pretty sure that street churches where long-haired

RE: Perennial Bab?

2005-01-24 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto: I'm not sure if you got it. You mentioned these hippie churches during the 60's as if they were a new thing. My point (which I certainly am not the first person to point out) is in certain respects these new hippies were superficially and in a deeper sense kind of like Jesus'

RE: Arson

2005-01-23 Thread dlmbrt
Susan wrote: This is what the Universal House of Justice wrote me on the subject of conscience: ...not only the right but also the responsibility of each believer to explore truth for himself or herself are fundamental to the Baha'i teachings...A Baha'i recognizes that one aspect of his

RE: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-31 Thread dlmbrt
In a message dated 12/31/2004 2:12:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder why no one has mentioned this tragedy on this list and if there are Baha'i Communities there? I went to Feast last night, and we read letters from the NSAs of Thailand and

RE: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread dlmbrt
Could anyone else tell me, what stands out in your mind about why you converted. What was the thing that grabbed you adn convinced you. I was raised in a mainstream Protestant church, and never found it satisfying.  I spent many years exploring various religions.  I was a Quaker for

RE: What Convinced Me (was: Questions about Omniscience and related matters)

2004-12-30 Thread dlmbrt
Mark wrote: When you were in it, did they still have similar quasi-Gnostic teachings (re: Satan, etc.) to when they were the Process Church of the Final Judgement? As I recall, their teachings were pretty traditional. We didn't talk about Satan much. The focus was on service. Dave Lambert

RE: Genocide was Re: Not Exhausted

2004-12-28 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto wrote: could you help me find a different way to read these passages? In the context of the larger picture, i.e., the Bible in its entirety including the New Testament; the picture that historical studies give us of the bronze-age world of the patriarchs; and the comparative realities

RE: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-26 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto wrote: Because the ideals should be compared to ideals. Not the ideals of one religion to the realities of the other. My friend, I agree with you up to a point. But when a religion fails to live up to its ideals, or when the reality of its practice is plainly different from the values

RE: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-25 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto wrote: ...it gives the impression that somehow they are more peaceful, or closer to pacifism, etc. than other religions in principle. when there are significant exceptions which make that untrue. The exceptions are so closely defined that I can't agree that this is untrue. We are,

RE: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-25 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto wrote: Ok then. So in your opinion what were the original God-given rules governing warfare which were followed by Muhammad and Hussein? [D.A.L.] I cannot claim to have a sufficiently deep understanding of Islam to give you a good answer to this. I've based my understanding on the

RE: Bahai jihad? Re: Men and Women equal?

2004-12-25 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto wrote: ...Bahais making a point of saying holy war has been blotted out the book especially combined with the idea of progressive revelation, would give the impression that they are somehow specifically claiming to be less violent than islam. Is that a fair statement? I've reached

RE: Progressive Revelation

2004-12-20 Thread dlmbrt
Susan Maneck wrote: The first millennial movement was started during the Crusades by Joachim de Fiora who probably laid the groundwork for dispensationalism. He held that Age of the Holy Spirit would begin in the year 1260 A.D. Of course 1260 in the Muslim calendar is 1844 in the

RE: Baha'u'llah and the Templars [and reading the Scriptures] the Kitab with reverence attention and thought

2004-12-19 Thread dlmbrt
Khazeh wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:16:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thief In The Night contains the opinions and understanding of the author, which reflects the Bahá'í position of the time, as far as I know. It still makes for fascinating reading, and remains a great tool to spark

RE: Baha'u'llah and the Templars

2004-12-18 Thread dlmbrt
Gilberto wrote: But there is also a question of what are the consequences, both positive and negative [D.A.L.] ...which is exactly my point. So, where does that leave us on the question of the review process? Dave Lambert __ You are

RE: Can the Baha'i Faith be a Big Tent or not?

2004-12-11 Thread dlmbrt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bahai's insistence on being non-partisan in political matters seems odd to me. I'm not sure how to put it but it smells like complacency to me. [D.A.L.] Stepping back totally from political matters has been one of my greatest challenges as a Baha'i. The way I take

RE: To Brent: one point

2004-12-09 Thread dlmbrt
Susan wrote: Unfortunately there is some truth to that cartoon. Maybe not in Canada, but there are places in Australasia where the believers have been discouraged from having deepening classes outside the institute process, less they detract from it. So, what happened to the independent search