Dear Ursus,
A good book which covers alot of different subjects related to the Quran from a mainstream sunni perspective is Ulum al Qur'an (Sciences of the Quran)
by Ahmad von Denffer which is available free, online at
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Denffer_uaq/
It has a chapter
I also like the attention Mr
Sells gives to the auditory sound and poetry etc.
Dear Ron,
That is what I like about Sells. He has a better appreciation for the beauty
of the Qur'an and is able to convey it better than any translator I know.
Is the concept of
Abrogation of earlier verses by later
On 7/30/05, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My biggest problem with Rodwell is his unsympathetic footnotes.
I'm afraid they would put more negative perconceptions in your
head. Rodwell is a Chritian missionary, after all.
Yusuf Ali with footnotes is pretty good. So is Muhammad Asad.
Hello Dr. Maneck,
Previous dialogue snippets:
Sandra Chamberlain: Not *public* but, ...in the world to come...
Dr. Susan Maneck: Ah yes. Let's not forget that traditionally
adultery has been punished by stoning. And no, Jesus never explicitly
did away with that, He simply
refused to uphold a
But I am very surprised to hear a Baha'i scholar talk like this. It is
my understanding, from my readings of the Writings of the Baha'i
Central Figures, particularly Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi, that we
as Baha'is are diametrically opposed to such revisionists. That is,
our Central Figures
In a message dated 7/31/2005 2:12:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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As for
the Bible, as you know, I know it. The stoning incident is animportant
one. But I do not think your interpretation is viable. It isnot consistent
with the rest of the New
Thank you Popeye,
Very much.
Ron
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In a message dated 7/31/2005 2:12:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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As for the Bible, as you know, I know it. The stoning incident is an
important one. But I do not
I have decided to read the Arberry translation.
This will be long term effort, not a quick one (as is my normal habit,
that is, to read quickly).
One question I want to ask of this group.
What order were the Quranic chapters revealed? Do we know? Can I find
a listing of the order in which they
On 7/30/05, Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Ron
called verses of cruelty and harshness are many. I say so-called
because we do not know the circumstances the ASBAAB E NUZUUL [THE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF REVELATION]
Dear Khazeh,
I would suggest that if the Quran comes from God
Dear Gilberto
I think you perhaps once again accidentally misunderstood me and my
benevolent purpose.
Perhaps dear brother Gilberto whom I like very much but who does not seem to
look at me with the eyes of kindness perhaps brother Gilberto you forgot the
sequence of thought and e-mail.
Ron had
On 7/30/05, Khazeh Fananapazir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Gilberto
I think you perhaps once again accidentally misunderstood me and my
benevolent purpose.
I don't think of it as an either-or sort of thing. I think you are a
nice person. I think you are sincere and have generally good
Gilberto (and all),
Thank you for participating in this discussion. My experience is that
Baha'is are most respectful of the Q'uran and Islam, and Khazeh in
particular is so.
As for the Bible, I am most familiar with that book, and I confess
that the old testament is replete with racist, sexist,
My dear Gilberto S
My dear Ron S
I am truly grateful to you both
In reply to dear Gilberto
** But I didn't forget the sequence of thought. Basically Ron expressed
concern about certain passages. And instead of actually trying to explain
those passages with any kind of sympathy you just
On 7/30/05, Ursus Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto (and all),
Thank you for participating in this discussion. My experience is that
Baha'is are most respectful of the Q'uran and Islam, and Khazeh in
particular is so.
As for the Bible, I am most familiar with that book, and I
Gilberto, you make some good and interesting points.
A key one is made here (and in many other places in otehr words:
Gilberto said:
Yes, well I agree that there are definitely some passages like that in
the Old Testament but I honestly can't justify them enough to think
that any God would
In a message dated 7/30/2005 3:25:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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I am now
thinking, Arberry sounds best, but this Rodwell, if he ischronological,
woudl that help me to make more sense of the Quran? IsRodwell good in
other ways?
Rodwell was Shoghi
On 7/30/05, Ursus Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto, you make some good and interesting points.
[...]
I have a different point of view. If I went at it from your point of
view, I woudl be unable to accpet any revealed religion.
I wouldn't go that far.
I see teh
parts of teh Old
I think I'd heard there was a geometrically increasing fine for
adultery but I don't think I'd heard of the public humiliation of
adulterers.
I'm not sure what Ron is referring to here either.
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I am now thinking, Arberry sounds best, but this Rodwell, if he is
chronological, woudl that help me to make more sense of the Quran? Is
Rodwell good in other ways?
Dear Rod,
I think the translation is fairly good, and the Guardian liked it. As far as
whether his changing the chronology goes,
On 7/29/05, Ursus Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have decided to read the Arberry translation.
This will be long term effort, not a quick one (as is my normal habit,
that is, to read quickly).
One question I want to ask of this group.
What order were the Quranic chapters revealed?
What order were the Quranic chapters revealed? Do we know? Can I find a
listing of the order in which they were revealed?
Dear Ron,
If you want to read a Qur'an in more or less the order in which it was
revealed you may want to get a hold of Rodwell's translation. Generally
speaking the Qur'an
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