That would all suggest living authorities in the Bahai faith who
interpret the texts for others.
Dear Gilberto,
The House of Justice does have the power of elucidation which to my mind
involves the application of Baha'i law. My understanding is that they don't
interpret doctrinal matters
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:24:06 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilberto wrote:
So I would say the Bahai use of the term is certainly different from
the original. And I'm not convinced it is even applicable.
Dear Gilberto: As one who has embraced the Baha'i Faith because
Say: O leaders of religion! Weigh not the Book of God with such
standards
and sciences as are current amongst you, for the Book itself is the
unerring
Balance established amongst men. In this most perfect Balance whatsoever
the
peoples and kindreds possess must be weighed, while the measure of
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:30:53 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Say: O leaders of religion! Weigh not the Book of God with such
standards
and sciences as are current amongst you, for the Book itself is the
unerring
Balance established amongst men. In this most perfect
Let me say it this way
then. I think that
it should be ok to be critical and compare and contrast a scripture.
Kick the tires so to speak. That's how you find the truth. The Quran
actually asks the reader to check it for discrepancy. It dares people
to try to imitate it.
Dear Gilberto,
In a message dated 1/5/2005 4:07:40 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But if Bahaullah said "weigh not the book..." it gives me theimpression of asking the reader NOT to hold the Bahai writings up tocertain kinds of scrutiny and that tends to inspire suspicion. It'slike the
G: Saying God CAN'T do something is "tying up his hands"Saying God CAN do something but in his sovereign authority andomnipotence chose to do something different is not "typing up hishands"
J: The statement "tying up his hands" would only make sense if you believe that Baha'u'llah is true.
G:"The effort made by men to reconcile the Word of God with the views of their leades is a wasted effort. Rather man must cast all aside save the Word of God." I'm a little puzzled by what you are saying. Because it seems to methat the Bahai faith has a more narrowly defined set of leaders which
In a message dated 1/5/2005 6:04:12 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
J: Baha'is do not follow the Qur'an at all. We follow the writings of Baha'u'llah.
We are not bound by the Qur'an. But we certainly follow its spirit as Baha`u'llah says repeatedly that the Qur'an is the
To me, and *practically* speaking,believing that the Qur'an is the Word of God is entirely different from following it. I as a Baha'i do not *follow* the Qur'an. I do not observe its laws, say its prayers, etc. etc. I follow Baha'u'llah, observe His laws, say His prayers.
I do agree, that
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:52:26 -0800 (PST), John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G: Saying God CAN'T do something is tying up his hands
Saying God CAN do something but in his sovereign authority and
omnipotence chose to do something different is not typing up his
hands
J: The statement
Gilberto;
At 09:34 AM 1/5/2005, you quoted from the Qur'an:
[3.7] He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are
decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as
for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it
which is
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:36:37 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/5/2005 8:34:36 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm a little puzzled by what you are saying. Because it seems to me
that the Bahai faith has a more narrowly defined set of
In a message dated 1/5/2005 11:50:05 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was my understanding that the UHJ would interpret and make laws.And that in the past some aspects of the Administrative Order coulddecide that some individual's interpretation of the teachings of
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:55:57 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/5/2005 11:50:05 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was my understanding that the UHJ would interpret and make laws.
And that in the past some aspects of the Administrative Order
In a message dated 1/6/2005 12:35:43 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How can the UHJ prevent schism and correct individuals withoutactually interpreting the text themselves?
THey can rely on the interpretations already made by the Guardian, Abdu'l Baha and the Sacred
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:12:17 -0800, J. Vahid Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Gilberto,
You asked:
Do you know where those other numbers come from? I think the only
number I've heard of was 10 because in Genesis when Abraham was
haggling with God to spare Sodom, God said that if there
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:59:57 -0800 (PST), John Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
J: But you do not accept the appearance of anyone on par with Prophet
Muhammad, i.e. Baha'u'llah, who revealed a brand new Qur'an equal to the
Qur'an you currently use, do you. In that respect, I believe that
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:50:23 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Saying God CAN'T do something is tying up his hands
Saying God CAN do something but in his sovereign authority and
omnipotence chose to do something different is not typing up his
hands
Dear Gilberto,
And do you
It would appear that the Jews
of Medina, seeing the poverty of the Muslims, derided the latters'
conviction that they were struggling in God's cause and that the
Qur'an was divinely revealed. Thus, the saying of the Jews mentioned
in this verse, God's hand is shackled, as well as the parallel one
In a message dated 1/4/2005 3:17:31 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, given the wine-imagery in some of the Bahai writings andgiven that Bahais are also "exempt" from Muslim prayers, I would beslightly surprisedif Bahais didn't make a similar argument.
We are also
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:50:35 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would appear that the Jews
of Medina, seeing the poverty of the Muslims, derided the latters'
conviction that they were struggling in God's cause and that the
Qur'an was divinely revealed. Thus, the saying of the Jews
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:44:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/4/2005 3:17:31 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, given the wine-imagery in some of the Bahai writings and
given that Bahais are also exempt from Muslim prayers, I would
In a message dated 1/4/2005 5:57:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
don'tthink that that kind of success is much of an indication of truth.
Infact, I think in general the liberation theology perspective
(whereGod is on the side of the poor and the oppressed) is
Gilberto wrote:
So I would say the Bahai use of the term is certainly different from
the original. And I'm not convinced it is even applicable.
Dear Gilberto: As one who has embraced the Baha'i Faith because of the
Qur'an, I have read your posts, and the posts sent to you with some
interest.
Dear Gilberto,
You asked:
Do you know where those other numbers come from? I think the only
number I've heard of was 10 because in Genesis when Abraham was
haggling with God to spare Sodom, God said that if there were 10
righteous men in Sodom he wouldn't have destroyed it.
Babylonian Talmud,
The Tradition of the Thirty-six Hidden Just Men,
Vahid, do you, or does anyone else, see a relation between this tradition and
this somewhat mysterious statement of Baha'u'llah?
Brent
Behold, Bah'u'llh further explains in the Kitb-i-Badi', one of His works
refuting the arguments of the
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:14:01 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Gilberto Simpson
Today in your letter on the net
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43095.html
you write:*
To be honest, for me it isn't about liking or disliking the concept. I'm not
saying that
At 2:40 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
I haven't found a really good concise description of the concept of
perfect man in the way I would like,
The idea is very old, and has gone thru many variations, especially in
Jewish, Persian and Islamic cultures.
The oldest versions are at least
At 4:38 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
3. More generally, if you really look at Sufism and realize that it is
a living part of Islam, and really appreciate its function, then I
think it is alot harder for Bahais to make the case that Islam (in the
sense of following the Quran, and
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:25 -0600, Don Calkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 9:43 PM -0500 1/2/05, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
But then once you say that religions are progressive then you end up
ranking the religions according to how old they are and you can't help
but insult the religions which
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