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You mean the same Imams whom Bahaullah called
the manifestations of the power of God, and the
sources of His authority, and the repositories of His knowledge, and
the daysprings of His commandments.?
As I said, I don't know how authentic those ahadith are.
I'm
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Dear All,
I have a question about the Hidden Words Persian 77.
O SON OF JUSTICE! In the night-season the beauty of the immortal Being
hath repaired from the emerald height of fidelity unto the
Sadratu’l-Muntahá, and wept with such a weeping that the concourse on
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On 22 Jun 2010 at 19:55, Hasan Elías wrote:
I'm trying to remember a story (probably in Star of West) when
'Abdu'l-Bahá was walking and a believer was walking behind him, the
believer want to be like Him treading on his steps, then something
happen (I don't
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Susan, I don't think you understood what I said.
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I would definitely read that ayat spiritually. (And it is my
understanding that that is the typical Hanafi view at
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Dear Firouz:
This has been explained by Abdu'l-Baha and by Shoghi Effendi.there is
a file in one of the issues of the Baha'i Studies Review a few years
ago that has compiled the interpretations.
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I think it would be a great idea if Gilberto or Matt ask Sistani or
Fazel Lankarani about Baha'is specifically, if they consider us
Baha'is as najas infidels apostates or kAAfir or mushrik.
Dear Matt and Gilberto, will you both kindly do ask this question in
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Well, I seriously doubt if the Quran verse 9:28 was meant to be
understood spiritually back then at that time when it was revealed in
early 7th century because it is reassuring the early Muslims not to
worry about the loss of trade and business with the Meccans.
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Dear Dr. Hai,
Do you know how I can access this file? Is there a link to a site?
Thanks for additional information.
Warm regards,
Firouz
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Dear Firouz:
This has been explained by
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apostate or kaffir are terms with neutral meanings which may or may
not apply to particular Bahais. The more important question is how
should Bahais be treated.
I posted links from Sunni websites on the cleanliness of non-Muslim
bathroom floor and the permissibility of
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So, you don't want to ask the question. That's fine.
I just hope that the Saudi government goes along with your understanding of
Islam vis a vis us Baha'is, apostasy, kAAfer, najas, etc.
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No. The verse in question is:
[Yusufali 9:28] O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let
them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And
if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of
His bounty, for Allah is
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Hi,
I am looking for lists of spiritual and social teachings, from both Baha'i and
non-Baha'i sources. I am trying to see if there is a difference between social
and spiritual teachings, and what these differences possibly are.
For example, what are the spiritual
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http://bahai-library.com/bsr/bsr09/9H2_comp_hiddenwords.htm and scroll down
to the Persian Hidden Words number 77.
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Dear Dr. Hai,
Do you know how I can access this
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If anything, it is just Persians (of a certain era)... instead of Islam
Persians are not bad people. In fact, Persians invented Human Rights. All
mankind is one.
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If anything, it is just Persians (of a certain era)... instead of Islam
Persians are not bad people. [...] All
mankind is one.
Generalizations are generally
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Generalizations are generally bad. Especially about entire religions,
races, nationalities, ethnicities and civilizations.
Hi, then do you think it is fair to say that all three, the Baha'i Faith and
Islam and Christianity, are not generally bad (this even implies
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On 23 Jun 2010 at 7:53, haj...@yahoo.com wrote:
The Brilliant Proof of Abu'l-Fadl Golpaygani, for example, lists 10
new features of the Baha'i Faith. Are these 10 features spiritual or
social? Spiritual and non-social? Non-spiritual and social? A
combination of
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Hi,
Saudi Arabia is Hanbali, actually the only palce in the world where that
specific jurisprudence exists.
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My basic view is that with the rare exception of Hale-Bopp following,
gun-stockpiling, compound-having, child molesting, poison-Kool-Aid
drinking, death-cults, religion is basically a positive force which
makes the world a better place. On balance, the good outweighs
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religion is basically a positive force which
makes the world a better place. On balance, the good outweighs the
bad, and any bad is usually attributable (ultimately) to sinful
individuals. So that would include the major and not-so-major
reilgions. ~
Wow great. So you
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Hi,
I mean atheism specifically,
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I'm saying be more specific
:)
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Hi,
I mean atheism specifically,
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No thanks. I don't follow those scholars in terms of theology. I study
religions on my own, and come to my own conclusions what I think about them.
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Sure. And that particular interpretation was limited to a particular
time and a particular place in a particular culture. And other Muslims
in most other places in most other times interpreted those rules
differently. So that suggest, instead of blaming all Muslims
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I'm concerned that you are so eager to lump all Muslims together as bad
people who hate Baha'is, when you are talking to two simultaneously who
don't. Do you want Muslims to hate you or something?
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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. I'm concerned that you are so eager to lump all Muslims together as bad
people who hate Baha'is, when you are talking to two simultaneously who don't.
Do you want Muslims to hate you or something?
Dear Matt, I am interested in your thoughts about atheism too. Can
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Hi Gilberto, Matt;
Check this out http://richarddawkins.net/
And this
http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com/
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apostate or kaffir are terms with neutral meanings which may or may
not apply to particular Bahais.
Apostasy and kaffir are terms with neutral meanings?
Please, give me a break!
Apostasy carries the death penalty in Islam! As for kafir, it's
literal translation is
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Huh? Do I want Muslims to hate me? Where did you get that from? No, of course
not.
So, two Muslims out of more than a billion don't hate me. Well, that's nice and
I appreciate it.
Best regards and much thanks,
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That's OK, that you don't want to ask the question from Sistani or Lankarani,
etc. I understand. Had you or another tolerant and open minded Muslim been able
to get a decree from Lankarani or Sistani that Baha'is are not najas, it
would have been a tremendous help
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I'm concerned that you are so eager to lump all Muslims together as bad
people who hate Baha'is, when you are talking to two simultaneously who
don't. Do you want Muslims to hate you or something?
The problem, Matt, is that Iranian Baha'is like Iskandar have already
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Sure. And that particular interpretation was limited to a particular
time and a particular place in a particular culture. And other Muslims
in most other places in
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I don't think so. I think Iraq was part of the Ottoman Empire until the early
1920's or so.
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote:
As you know Christianity is pretty broad. Even Catholics are allowed
to intermarry now. It is mostly only evangelicals disapprove,
It isn't that the rules change. If you look up a Catechism of
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I'm not sure what your point is.?
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Hi Gilberto, Matt;
Check this out http://richarddawkins.net/
And this
http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com/
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I think part of it is what Susan said. Some people have actually
experienced real persecution at the hands of Muslims and it has an
effect. I think another part of it is built into Bahai theology and if
there were nothing wrong with Islam and Muslims then there wouldn't
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So, according to Islamic Shari`ah law, what is the treatment that a Muslim
receives when s/he leaves Islam?
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The Baha'i concept of progressive Revelation does not mean that there is
anything wrong with Islam. Baha'is believe Islam to be a Divinely ordained
religion and the Quran to be the word of God.
As I said, shelf life is a different story.
Baha'is are supposed
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Susan's references were talking about how Jews or other non-Muslims
were treated by the Safavids in terms of ritual purity in the 1500s.
And at that time much of the Safavid empire overlapped with what is
now Iraq.
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Anyone who used to be a member of religion A but isn't anymore is an
apostate from religion A. So Nima is an apostate from the Bahai faith.
If I remember
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What is now Iraq was then part of the Ottoman empire, in the 16th and 17th and
18th and 19th centuries.
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I think part of it is what Susan said. Some people have actually
experienced real persecution at the hands of Muslims and it has an
effect. I think another part of it is built into Bahai theology and if
there were nothing wrong with Islam and Muslims then there
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I think in the period you were talking about Iraq wasn't even a
country yet and the region was dominated by the Safavids.
It was always a country. What it wasn't was a nation-state. Iraq was
only under the control of the Safavids for short periods. For the most
part
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The Ottomans and Safavids fought with one another over territory.
Baghdad for instance changed hands back and forth several times.
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What is now Iraq was then part of the
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If you read further down in the canon law you would have seen it is
not so cut-and-dried.
Further on it states how dispensations can be given for such marriages:
Can. 1125 The local ordinary can grant a permission of this kind if
there is a just and reasonable cause.
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I think that what a Bahai means by respect Islam, honor the Prophet
and regard the Quran as the word of God is very very different from
what a Muslim means by respect Islam, honor the Prophet and regard
the Quran as the word of God.
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I think that what a Bahai means by respect Islam, honor the Prophet
and regard the Quran as the word of God is very very different from
what a Muslim means by respect Islam, honor the Prophet and regard
the Quran as the word of God.
Whatever.
The fact remains I
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The Ottomans and Safavids fought with one another over territory.
Baghdad for instance changed hands back and forth several times.
Yes, but most of the time it was under Ottoman control.
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Do you have respect for Islam the same way that you have respect for
Christianity, Buddhism and the Baha'i Faith?
Do you have respect for Buddhism? Or, for the Baha'i Faith?
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The section you are talking about is related to non-Catholics who are
still Christian.
In Pope Benedict's text:
Art. 5. The text of can. 1124 of the Code of Canon Law is modified as follows:
Marriage between two baptized persons, one of whom was baptized in
the
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Who are you asking?
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Do you have respect for Islam the same way that you have respect for
Christianity, Buddhism and the Baha'i Faith?
Do you have respect for Buddhism?
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I am asking you, Gilberto, or Mat Haas.
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So basically even marriages to other Christians are questionable and
require special permission.
Yes, they do require special permission, but that is easier and easier
to get these days.
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Yes, I respect most religions, even some of the nature-based quasi Pagan
ones.
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I am asking you, Gilberto, or Mat Haas.
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