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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Naison Jones naistrada...@gmail.com wrote:
Baha'u'llahs explanation is more reasonable than the Islamic one cos the
Islamic one is implying that no manifestations will come again. How then can
religion be renewed anymore?
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All the earth is a masjid (place of prostration)
And every Manifestation is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.
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On 17/12/2010 1:21 PM, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
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All the earth is a masjid (place of prostration)
So why Muslim bother to build masjids? Specially the one near World
Trade Center in NYC?
Best regards,
Firouz
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As for the first question, even though one can pray pretty much
everywhere it can be nice to have a dedicated space. As for the
second, that obviously opens up a whole can of withworms, with a whole
lot of points on both sides. A few that I would point out are:
When
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With regard to the Seal of the Prophets
Did Baha'u'llah refer to Himself as a nabi or a rasul?
If he did not, then this whole question is moot.
Tim
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From: Susan
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I don't believe so; the station that is ascribed to Manifestations of God in
Baha'i prophetology would be the *mazhar-i zuhur-i elaahi.* Let's not forget
the following Baha'i prayer:
Glorified art Thou, O Lord my God! I beseech Thee by Thy Chosen Ones, and by
the
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None of the ahadith that you quote are categorical. If you read them
carefully, most (or all) of them are dubious at best. Do you really and
sincerely believe that the Prophet Muhammad ever implied that He was somehow
better than other Prophets, that His speech was more
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4G69l4kXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4G69l4kXQfeature=player_embedded#
feature=player_embedded#!
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Again, if you go back to Khazeh's and Seena Fazel's interesting paper,
he qutoes Juan Cole in a work of *his* on the Concept of the
Manifestation in the Bahai Faith:
Therefore in one sense, the Qur'ánic title of khátam al-nabiyyín (seal
of the prophets) implies that
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4G69l4kXQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4G69l4kXQfeature=player_embedded
feature=player_embedded#!
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...For no warrior could be found on earth more excellent and nearer to God
than Husayn, son of 'Ali, so peerless and
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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None of the ahadith that you quote are categorical. If you read them
carefully, most (or all) of them are dubious at best.
Perhaps according to you, but
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Did Baha'u'llah refer to Himself as a nabi or a rasul?
If he did not, then this whole question is moot.
Tim
I agree. By my understanding, the stations of prophethood, nabi and
rasu'l, have
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Give me a break, Gilberto. Just give me a break.
You were quotiing hadith in which Muhammad said that God gave gave him
things such as a pithy speech, etc. that He did not give other Prophets. You
belive that nonsense?
Yes, 17:95 does prove my point.
What about the
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That's one of the arguments that some Muslims make.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Don Calkins montana...@great-falls.net wrote:
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Did Baha'u'llah refer to Himself
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Thanks, Khazeh. Muslims in England also came up with this unique
method to commemorate Ashura which I though quite appropriate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/local/manchester/hi/people_and_places/religion_and_ethics/newsid_9291000/9291630.stm
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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Give me a break, Gilberto. Just give me a break.
You were quotiing hadith in which Muhammad said that God gave gave him
things such as a pithy speech,
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But Bahais generally don't just stop here, and instead
would insist that Bahaullah etc. were messengers and prophets and so
Muslims must be wrong/confused/wanting to tie the hands of God, etc.
As I see it, the Qur'an contains the authentic revelation of God to
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Peace,
I think I started the debate (it was by accident, actually) by saying that
some (not all) Baha'is use the same type of argument against Muslims,
Christians, Jews, that this Maitreya person uses against Baha'is and others,
i.e. the verses claiming finality of
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Ya Hussein! Ya Hussein! Everyday is Ashura, and Everywhere is Karbala.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Khazeh aqu...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4G69l4kXQfeature=player_embedded#!
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Oh, wow..How symoblic and beneficial to others at the same time.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote:
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Thanks, Khazeh. Muslims in England also came up with this unique
method to commemorate Ashura
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This is the hadith that you quoted:
* The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: God has bestowed upon me six
favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy:
I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech. I
was granted victory owing to my awe. The spoils of
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I think that if you stick to that, more agreement is possible.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Tim Nolan tnola...@yahoo.com wrote:
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But Bahais generally don't just stop here, and instead
would insist that Bahaullah etc. were messengers
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On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
iskandar@gmail.com wrote:
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This is the hadith that you quoted:
* The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: God has bestowed upon me six
favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy:
I
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A common question - response statement used in religious discourse
includes a defense of/or champion of ones own belief system.
Might I suggest that the Baha'i approach is not to suggest any
conclusion about the belief system of another, rather to find a way to
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The titles of the prophets from God have always caused confusion up to this
point for the petty minded. Think about it.
Jesus is God, Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus is the Son of Man. That is a
true test for Christians because it gives them the notion that Jesus is
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Iskandar Hai MD wrote:
What about the hadith from Ayesha that says: say Muhmmad was the Seal of
Prophets but don't say that no Prophet will follow him.?
Gilberto Simpson wrote:
Not just based on the Quran but from the hadith and the writings of the
imams... for
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