RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-07 Thread Vaughn Sheline
-Original Message- From: Brent Poirier Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:35 AM I am interested, not in how God withholds gifts, but in how you friends see that the Hands of the Cause have withheld. Hi Brent, I think the implications of withheld is similar to the passages below. Best

RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-07 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Brent, H, you mentioned looking at a particular section in context. My current reference is the document on Ocean - I've misplaced the book. Is there something I've missed that delineates sections of the Surih of the Temple? Fix your gaze upon Him Who is the *Temple of God* amongst

RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-07 Thread Brent Poirier
Vaughn, super job of locating other references to withholding. Thank you, that's right on target and what I was looking for. Sandra, I quite agree that in this Tablet the Manifestation is addressing His own eyes, heart, ears and hands. But then, I believe He transitions into both viewing the

RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-07 Thread Don Calkins
At 13:35 + 5/7/05, Brent Poirier wrote: Sandra, I quite agree that in this Tablet the Manifestation is addressing His own eyes, heart, ears and hands. But then, I believe He transitions into both viewing the Hands of the Cause as His own hands; or alternatively says that He will raise up

RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-06 Thread Brent Poirier
Hi Sandra. You ask where I see the Institution of the Hands referred to, or perhaps foreshadowed, in this passage from Baha'u'llah. There are two things. The first is to look at the entire section in context: O Living Temple! Stretch forth Thy hand over all who are in heaven and on earth, and

re: The Hands withholding

2005-05-05 Thread Brent Poirier
One more thing about the Hands. I have always wondered why, when Shoghi Effendi translated the Master's Will, he inserted the parenthetical phrase (pillars) after the word Hands (pp. 3, 10, 11 and 25). This verse from the Suratu'l-Haykal, part of the same passage I quoted in the previous

RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-05 Thread James Mock
Brent, In like manner, those words that have streamed forth from the source of power and descended from the heaven of glory are innumerable and beyond the ordinary comprehension of man. (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 5) Baha'u'llah also states that there are innumerable meanings

RE: The Hands withholding

2005-05-05 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Brent: ...With these hands, moreover, We shall both bestow and withhold, though none can understand this save those who see with the eye of the spirit.' ... snip I am interested, not in how God withholds gifts, but in how you friends see that the Hands of the Cause have withheld. Dear Brent,