LOL, I am obviously starting to wonder now :-)
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Aaron Rouse aaron.ro...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you sure he really was a .NET developer? Like I said we have ran into
huge issues with fudging of skillsets and why we had to develop extensive
testing methods for
I know the thread is dead, but I just got back and I have to say just one
thing:
I don't disagree with your sentiment here. Except for the fact that the OP
was not _offered a job_ for $20/hr. He/she was posting publicly that $20/hr
was his/her rate. That's a terrible disservice to
Its only about $40K a year,assuming 2000 hours a year at $20/hr. That doesn't
include benefits etc. Sorry but $40K a year just doesn't cut it.
Not to mention that $20 an hour is still a pretty damn good wage
comparitively. Better than making $6.50 flipping burgers at McDonalds.
andy
Not to
This may be a stupid question - I never worked by the hour, but I do
sometimes hire people by the hour to do programming - but prefer
paying by by the job..
There is no way to know how much time was spent programming
something. What is to stop someone from charging $20 an hour, but
doubling
Morality.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Al Musella, DPM
muse...@virtualtrials.comwrote:
This may be a stupid question - I never worked by the hour, but I do
sometimes hire people by the hour to do programming - but prefer
paying by by the job..
There is no way to know how much time
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Morality.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Al Musella, DPM
muse...@virtualtrials.comwrote:
This may be a stupid question - I never worked
I have worked with people from India who spoke better English than I do and
outside Sarcasm that is the only language I know. They were a LOT cheaper
than me and reading the rest of this thread I see i actually charge a little
below the low side of what people consider normal rates. In some
Morality.
Ethics you mean.
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I guess we all have different experiences.
I had one this week, I hired a .net developer (from India) to make a
fix for websitepanel.
He spent the fi1 week trying to figure it out and then finally tells
me was not able to do the job as he could not even figure out which
file in the source code he
A little while ago a Mumbian showed me a site as an example of his design.
Even the directors comments on one page were still there, they had just
changed the name of the director.
When I looked at the page source it had the details of a company in the USA.
On googling the company name I found
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Jenny Gavin-Wear
jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote:
A little while ago a Mumbian showed me a site as an example of his design.
Even the directors comments on one page were still there, they had just
changed the name of the director.
When I looked at the
that was the situation in my case, they are a uk based company with
British project managers with developers in India.
Really didn't make any difference. The PM made just as many mistakes
as the developer.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Casey Dougall
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
To be fair, someone in the US is as likely to rip you off as someone in
India.
andy
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:41 PM
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Subject: RE: 20USD/Hour Seriously?
A little while ago a Mumbian
Do I?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Morality.
Ethics you mean.
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Are you sure he really was a .NET developer? Like I said we have ran into
huge issues with fudging of skillsets and why we had to develop extensive
testing methods for anyone going onto our Java team, so we can weed out the
just plain fakes. But also like I said we still have to deal with the
IMHO, you get what you pay for. I've talked with several clients who
hired at $20/hr or even less. I'm usually called in to clean up the
mess at my standard rate ($50/hr) and they almost always don't bat an
eye paying it having learned their lesson.
I will admit though... I HAVE done work for
Is it just me or does this post smell of trollage?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Phillip Vector
vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote:
IMHO, you get what you pay for. I've talked with several clients who
hired at $20/hr or even less. I'm usually called in to clean up the
mess at my standard
No trollage was intended. Seriously.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:50 AM, David McGuigan davidmcgui...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it just me or does this post smell of trollage?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Phillip Vector
vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote:
IMHO, you get what you pay for. I've
20USD/Hour Seriously?
Is it just me or does this post smell of trollage?
I though it smelled a bit like Mumbai
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CF dev's I know work for between 75 and 110.
I wouldn't even talk on the phone for $20/hour.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Phillip Vector
vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote:
No trollage was intended. Seriously.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:50 AM, David McGuigan davidmcgui...@gmail.com
wrote:
Ok just wondering, because this is how I read that post:
Hey guys I found a CF job for $20 an hour :( :( :( I can't effing believe
that every CF job on Earth doesn't pay AT LEAST 1 Million Dollars per hour.
This is stupid right? ColdFusion is stupid now right?
But I get that you're sincere.
I agree. For $20/hr ... I wouldn't even talk for less than $60... but I'd
expect better and generally get it.
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Integration Developer tyrsbl...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm bit confused why so cheap? Just 6 months ago I was hiring out at
50-75USD/hour.
If this is typical cf-jobs side work rate now I am disappointed.
I think we should hesitate on discussing rates on a public site. There are too
many
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:11 AM, David McGuigan davidmcgui...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok just wondering, because this is how I read that post:
Hey guys I found a CF job for $20 an hour :( :( :( I can't effing believe
that every CF job on Earth doesn't pay AT LEAST 1 Million Dollars per hour.
This
I didn't mean that you were actually saying CF was stupid. I was trying to
just paraphrase your sentiment into a tantrum. Which is what it sounded
like. But I get what you mean.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Phillip Vector
vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:11 AM,
Ah.. ok then. :)
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:39 AM, David McGuigan davidmcgui...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't mean that you were actually saying CF was stupid. I was trying to
just paraphrase your sentiment into a tantrum. Which is what it sounded
like. But I get what you mean.
On Thu, Sep 22,
The $20 per hour rates mainly come form India via sites like
freelancer.com which is full of outsourcing companies.
This is what you have to compete with.
If a client wants to deal with someone native who speaks English
properly, then they will pay your rates, if they just want the
cheapest price
He may have been referring to a poster to the cf-jobs list, who offered
their services (and claimed better than average knowledge) at $20/hr.
Horrific when someone undervalues their services so much. Even worse
when they undervalue everyone else's by making a post like that.
Good CF devs are
Yeah, what Cutter said. Well put, my friend.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades
cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote:
He may have been referring to a poster to the cf-jobs list, who offered
their services (and claimed better than average knowledge) at $20/hr.
Horrific
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades
cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote:
He may have been referring to a poster to the cf-jobs list, who offered
their services (and claimed better than average knowledge) at $20/hr.
Horrific when someone undervalues their services so much.
Not to start a flame war But there are 14 million ppl out of work in the US.
Many who have been out of a job for over a year.
I would imagine there are a few CF'ers/PHP'ers/Insert your stack here, etc.
who have been out of work long enough to be hurting enough to take any work
that they can get.
Not to mention that $20 an hour is still a pretty damn good wage
comparitively. Better than making $6.50 flipping burgers at McDonalds.
andy
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:12 PM
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Subject: Re: 20USD
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote:
Not to start a flame war But there are 14 million ppl out of work in the US.
Many who have been out of a job for over a year.
There are a lot of job openings for developers all over the country.
If a programmer is out
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Subject: Re: 20USD/Hour Seriously?
Not to start a flame war But there are 14 million ppl out of work in the US.
Many who have been out of a job for over a year.
I would imagine there are a few CF'ers/PHP'ers
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Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:12 PM
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Not to start a flame war But there are 14 million ppl out of work in the
US.
Many who
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