Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-05-26 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
Reiser's case is more complicated than that. Anyway let's not bring it. 05/25/15 03:03 -ին Bob Hamը գրել է. On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 01:54 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote: Bob Ham wrote: I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work.

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-05-24 Thread Brolin Empey
Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: It is also a well-known fact that most free software developers derive great personal satisfaction from doing something that benefits a larger community True. However, there's a very big difference between

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-05-24 Thread Bob Ham
On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 01:54 -0700, Brolin Empey wrote: Bob Ham wrote: I don't know any other free software developers who threaten to murder those who get in the way of their work. Hans Reiser? ;-) Hans Reiser murdered his wife who had left him, not someone who got in the way of his

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
but still very different from the the goals of Free Software. Are they very different? As long as this FreeCalypso code stays very obscure and marginal, in practice the difference might not matter that much. I think what you're saying is that from an Open Source point of view, his effort is

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-28 Thread mail
FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and redistribute it, but you're not legally allowed to because the source code he has is proprietary. le sigh Imagine you are broke and starving hungry (that's quite easy

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. FWIW, last I checked, his work does sadly not enjoy any of those freedoms. Yes, you *can* look at the code, change it, and

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-23 Thread mail
I guess I was misled by OsmocomBB's website; it certainly seems to be saying that that is exactly what it is--on the front page of http://bb.osmocom.org/: In short: By using OsmocomBB on a compatible phone, you will be able to make and receive phone calls, send and

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. And the emphasis here is on the pathological. In your emails to this list, there is still a very strong strain of psychological disequilibrium and this is a bad thing, for the list, the

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: As I said, perhaps I can help you to achieve some peace. Your help in that department is unwelcome and unwanted. I kindly ask that you please stop your unwelcome intrusion into my personal life. However, an absence of your writings on this list would benefit

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2015-04-22 at 15:42 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: I disagree. The same pathological need still seems very much present. And the emphasis here is on the pathological. In your emails to this list, there is still a very strong strain of

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Matthias Apitz
As this thread/threat has not much to do with Openmoko, could you please move this away from this list, talk off-list about or create somewhere another mailing list for this idea. Thanks in advance matthias (long term user on GTA-02) -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de,

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: GSM What is it about GSM that would make you move across the world just to use it? Do your family and friends feel the same way about GSM? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:PaulWise

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-22 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 21:28 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? I consider this status quo to be

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life, and I need this essential communication device to be free from closed black-box firmware. It is also a well-known fact that most free software

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
On 04/18/2015 08:30 AM, m...@dmatthews.org wrote: I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2015-04-18 at 21:32 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I am not asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through They didn't put you through torture, you put yourself through it. You continue to do that now, in different ways. The person who you

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: OsmocomBB? Unfortunately they seem to have absolutely no interest in producing a phone (or firmware for a phone) which an end user could carry in her purse. Their software absolutely requires the phone to be tethered to a PC at all times (instead

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do that? I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends etc, and have had one continuously

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 17:11 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? Because I use one to stay in touch with the people who matter in my life What would be the consequences if you didn't have a mobile phone to do

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I do have a mobile phone for communicating with my family and friends In 2017, ATT will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. Macau is planning to shut down their GSM services in June 2015. I would hazard

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
Paul Wise pa...@bonedaddy.net wrote: In 2017, ATT will be shutting down their GSM network in the USA in favour of 3G/4G. If ATT likes losing customers, it's their choice. I use T-Mobile (satisfied customer since 2003 with just one short break before I entered the libre phone scene in 2011),

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread mail
Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware that offers the four freedoms. OsmocomBB? No A fine project I have no doubt, but it's not aimed at producing firmware for an end-user phone. I believe it's

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-21 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2015-04-21 at 15:38 +, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I wish you healing and wellness. Those will happen automatically as soon as I have a phone in my purse that runs my own firmware. Why is your wellness dependant on a phone? ___

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread mail
I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates +1 but s/partly/entirely [although I also didn't enjoy reading threats :-)] Lets not forget - just one man working doggedly on the only project that offers any possibility of a cell phone running firmware

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've made in the past (on this list) towards particular people. The people you are referring to tormented me in the most heinous manner for a full 2 years (from the fall of 2011 till about the

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 17:41:02 Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I would never had been able to work on a project like FreeCalypso - neither technically nor emotionally - while there were persons in the so-called community taunting me with we have this source which would make a night-and-day

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread mail
futile effort to educate persons with such mental issues. s/educate/cure/ yeah crazy - the four freedoms on a cell phone - only a nut case would dream that one up -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 20:22:31 m...@dmatthews.org wrote: yeah crazy - the four freedoms on a cell phone - only a nut case would dream that one up you're completely missing the point. this guy threatening OM and me personally to kill me when I don't grant him access to sources which even OM had

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 09:41:03 n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: I wonder if you might now consider retracting and apologising for those, and undertake not to repeat similar in future? Thanks for brining it up, Neil. Alas, you see, it's in vain. Despite all the good will from our side. This guy

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 18 April 2015 21:32:21 Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: I am not asking you to publicly apologize for the 2 years of mental TORTURE you put me through - so why are people asking me to apologize for my reaction to that torture? Listen buddy! NOBODY TORTURED YOU, except you yourself did

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread Spacefalcon the Outlaw
joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: Thanks for brining it up, Neil. Alas, you see, it's in vain. Despite al= l the=20 good will from our side. [...] I don't hold any grudges against you. I don't consider you an enemy. I don't have any ill will toward you or any of your former

Re: State of FreeCalypso

2015-04-18 Thread neil
A non-technical comment that you can take or leave - but it is my genuine response to your writings... I'm impressed by‎ your dedication and detail, and I partly enjoy reading your updates; but I find it hard to forget the unacceptably violent threats that you've made in the past (on this