ian douglas ha scritto:
I agree.
If the LED's are used by the software to show various states in the
software, then why can't we just use software to turn them off when we
don't want them on?
Problem solved, without any hardware hacks needed.
That's the beauty of open source. Find where
Since Steve dropped the hint that I've been working on a user guide of
sorts for the Neo Freerunner, some of you have been asking me about it,
so we've decided to push it to the website before it's really ready.
The intended audience is a reasonably technical developer, but a
newcomer to the
Hi Michael,
Just had a read through the guide.. you've covered the topics that I'd
be after (toolchain, sample app build and install)..
Looks good so far...
Regards
Neil Davey
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Since Steve dropped the hint that I've been working on a user guide of
sorts for the Neo
Thanks for the positive feedback, Neil.
By the way, I'm going to add the discussion we had on USB charging, and
more sample applications.
Michael
Neil Davey wrote:
Hi Michael,
Just had a read through the guide.. you've covered the topics that I'd
be after (toolchain, sample app build and
On Saturday 19 April 2008 08:04, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Since Steve dropped the hint that I've been working on a user guide of
sorts for the Neo Freerunner, some of you have been asking me about it,
so we've decided to push it to the website before it's really ready.
Looking good. The first
Andy Powell wrote:
On Saturday 19 April 2008 08:04, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Since Steve dropped the hint that I've been working on a user guide of
sorts for the Neo Freerunner, some of you have been asking me about it,
so we've decided to push it to the website before it's really ready.
Hi Shakti
The discounter price for the first 40 single orders is Rs 15399/-. (USD 388
at a dollar of 39.7 - we pay a surcharge over that to the bank when we buy
the dollars). And we are including shipping, customs and taxes and warrenty
in this price. This is a loss making price for idasystems
Hi Rakshat,
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| We will announce the final market price once we have negotiated our bulk
| order purchase with openmoko.
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Thanks for the prompt response, and clarification.
SK
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:04:49 +0200, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As you will see, I have a lot more to fill in, but I would welcome your
feedback on what is already there, and suggestions for topics you think
should be included.
Chapter 4 describes installation of the SIM
2008/4/19, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. GTA02v5 is fully
functional, the only problem is that it's not as efficient as it
could be, just like every other product on the planet.
For those saying wait another month I've got a different arguement -
Just wondering, everyone has asked about using GTA01's debug board
with GTA02, what about the other way around?
Cheers,
Federico
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Alexey Feldgendler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:04:49 +0200, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As you
Hi Alexey,
I appreciate your input. Comments below:
Alexey Feldgendler wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:04:49 +0200, Michael Shiloh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you will see, I have a lot more to fill in, but I would welcome
your feedback on what is already there, and suggestions for topics you
On 18 Apr 2008, at 23:12, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
I would like to see future devices using a 3.5mm jack. IMO the
important thing is high-quality music, whereas if you just want to
talk on the phone, Bluetooth headsets are more popular these days.
I haven't found a bluetooth headset which
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenMoko team:
It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the rework
to solve the current leakage issue.
Yes, people are REALLY anxious to get this phone. But shipping
a few thousand of units that do not meet
I kinda agree... I'm looking forward to my freerunner, but I want to buy it
knowing that the hardware is ok, and that the software will have a few bumps
as always, but if it doesn't work today, it will be fixed sometime in the
future.
I want to play around and develop for the freerunner, but I
On Saturday 19 April 2008 01:26:59 Kiro Zimmer wrote:
resulting from the question how the home zome functionality works, now
is clear that all newer phones use the SIM toolkit (STK) to display the
house on the phone. It seems to me, the AT+CRSM command was never the
official way to get these
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Actually, here's my theory:
Anyone who has NEVER had a GTA01 will figure out the SIM card holder.
Anyone who has had a GTA01 will take awhile to get used to the fact that the
card holder locks and unlocks in the opposite direction compared to
Sorry I sent a mistaken comment about the direction of undoing the sim
card.
clare
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Andrea Debortoli wrote:
I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be
available some days after...
I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :(
I'm not so happy about this decision, btw...
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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's because most phones don't have such complicated SIM card holders.
Actually, here's my theory:
Anyone who has NEVER had a GTA01 will figure out the SIM card holder.
Anyone who has had a GTA01 will take awhile
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Andy Powell wrote:
On Friday 18 April 2008 18:34, Michael Shiloh wrote:
The Neo Freerunner can charge most rapidly when it can pull 1 Amp from
the power supply connected to the USB socket. However, not all chargers
or computers can provide this much current.
It might
2008/4/19, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Andrea Debortoli wrote:
I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be
available some days after...
I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :(
I'm not so happy about this decision, btw...
It's a
Hello Michael Shiloh,
can you please clear this?
* Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [18-04-08 17:45]:
I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button
and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about
Freerunner hardware that I think they
Michael Shiloh wrote:
When the Neo Freerunner detects that power has been provided at the USB
port, it will attempt to draw only 100mA. This minimum is mandated by
the USB standard. This amount of current is insufficient to both power
the Neo Freerunner (or even just its backlight) and to
On Saturday 19 April 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Andrea Debortoli wrote:
I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be
available some days after...
I will too, but only because I can't wait longer :(
I'm not so happy about this decision, btw...
I say
Stroller wrote:
On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote:
Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory.
The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add
some
other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers.
Many people have voiced there opinion to me
Andy Green ha scritto:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
I'm re-posting here some mails from the openmoko-devel Future Button
and LED software spec thread [1] in which there are some infos about
Freerunner hardware that I think they should be more visible.
Summarizing, they say that
Good idea to put this straight. In what mode would you expect listening
to audio would be?
Best Regards,
Jens
On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 14:37 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Guys,
you really need to set the terminology straight here otherwise we spread FUD.
Feature phones only differ
On Saturday 19 April 2008 03:38, Steven Le Roux wrote:
I totally agree with you.
I understand everybody is happy to see the neo coming, but don't forget the
goal :) : to provides the best free phones.
It wouldn't be pleasant for us to by a phone, knowing there is a known
issue with
2008/4/19, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Feature phones only differ between talk time and standby time.
For us, it's a bit more complicated, since we have more modes.
Can we agree on the following:
usage time = CPU is powered on, lots of peripherals have power and you're
Andrea Debortoli wrote:
2008/4/19, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is quite possible to make your statement by NOT purchasing a v5
unit and waiting for a v6. Choosing to wait yourself, without passing
the delay and costs onto everyone else is the most ethical, polite way
to solve the problem.
Great summary Michael, and a good discussion. It would be nice to see
the ability to support other fast chargers in the future. That is one
of my pet peeves about cell phones is that it seems every single
company(and often even every model made by that company) has it's own
specific charger
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/4/19, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Feature phones only differ between talk time and standby time.
For us, it's a bit more complicated, since we have more modes.
Can we agree on the following:
That's also something I'd like to know as my Minty Boost supposedly
does up to ~250 mA and I'd like to use that much if possible.
The Neo 1973 doesn't have the necessary hardware to detect chargers,
though, or does it?
Ortwin
On 4/19/08, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great summary Michael,
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you call 'standby time' doesn't seem like a very important state to me...
I would disagree that this state(regardless of what you want to call
it) is unimportant. I think that, while this may be true for the
majority
2008/4/19, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Can the Freerunner resume on incoming call? If so, someone could
suspend the device and toss it in their pocket/purse, reap maximum
battery life AND keep the primary functionality intact. If it can't
resume on incoming call, I'd agree it's essentially
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto:
I agree... There's also another issue to consider: in the marketing
threads it was said that the first thousands phones will have more
goods in their box, so this makes me think that only people buying a v5
will get these things.
My personal position is
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Andy Powell wrote:
On Friday 18 April 2008 18:34, Michael Shiloh wrote:
The Neo Freerunner can charge most rapidly when it can pull 1 Amp from
the power supply connected to the USB socket. However, not all chargers
or computers can
I'll ask Steve to say something about this. He's much more in the loop
regarding our manufacturing process than I am.
Michael
Tim Niemeyer wrote:
Hello Michael Shiloh,
can you please clear this?
* Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [18-04-08 17:45]:
I'm re-posting here some mails
Bobby Martin wrote:
Personally, I want the hardware to be as good as OM knows how to make
it, so I'm waiting for v6 before I buy. I don't see any reason to delay
the purchase for all the people who want to buy a v5 now, though.
Marco, you would have to wait either way - either everyone waits
Oh there's also this video of the author David Allen discussing GTD at
Google. I decided to get the book after watching this video. I think
he makes a lot of good points.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo7vUdKTlhk
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Hans L wrote:
Great summary Michael, and a good discussion. It would be nice to see
the ability to support other fast chargers in the future. That is one
of my pet peeves about cell phones is that it seems every single
company(and often even every model made by that company) has it's own
First some clarification. I have a totally different understanding of the
LED situation.
So let me check with folks before clarifying.
In any case, I will find out the information on the real differences. And
also if any apps actually use the LEDS.
I know some of the a5/a6 changes were made
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good question. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. Roh, do you recall?
Are you referring to changing using different current draws? IIRC,
someone was tweaking uboot because it wasn't drawing the full 100ma,
only 20 or so, and
There's a whole cult around this book. Isn't lifehacker essentially an
offshoot?
Hans L wrote:
Oh there's also this video of the author David Allen discussing GTD at
Google. I decided to get the book after watching this video. I think
he makes a lot of good points.
Hi Hans,
you might want to have a look at ThinkingRock, a java-based desktop
Application that implements a great deal of GTD ideas.
www.thinkingrock.com.au
have fun!
koebi
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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a whole cult around this book. Isn't lifehacker essentially an
offshoot?
I think cult is a harsh word with very negative connotations. I'm not
sure why you consider it a cult. Because a lot of people are excited
I agree
I want a phone without bugs before one with bugs
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:
Bobby Martin wrote:
Personally, I want the hardware to be as good as OM knows how to make
it, so I'm waiting for v6 before I buy. I don't see any reason to
delay the purchase for all the people who want
Hi,
There's a whole cult around this book. Isn't lifehacker essentially
an offshoot?
as far as I see it is about time and task management.
Since many people have problems with this it is a bestseller.
Take a look at this too:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/timemgmt/index.html
Cheers
Dirk
Hans L wrote:
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a whole cult around this book. Isn't lifehacker essentially an
offshoot?
I think cult is a harsh word with very negative connotations. I'm not
sure why you consider it a cult. Because a lot of
I use GTD with Tracks, an open source and web-based Getting Things
Done implementation. The new version, 1.5, is particularly awesome.
http://www.rousette.org.uk/projects/
Once I can persuade my Neo1973 to access the internet, my own Tracks
site will no doubt be the most frequently visited site
On Saturday 19 April 2008 20:00:16 Hans L wrote:
I've been reading a book lately called Getting Things Done(henceforth
abbreviated as GTD) which basically proposes a strategy for
organizing/managing your work and life to be more productive with less
stress. Instead of me attempting to explain
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:20:15PM +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenMoko team:
It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the rework
to solve the current leakage issue.
Yes, people are REALLY
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:20:15PM +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Ron K. Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenMoko team:
It's crazy to consider shipping the GTA02v5 without the rework
to solve the current leakage issue.
Yes, people are REALLY
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now I _personally_ expect the following from FreeRunner:
usage time = 2 to 8 hours, depending on what you're actually doing
standby time = 10 hours
suspend time = 2-3 days
Thanks for the information:)
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Personally I'd vote LEDS off the island. But since we are open source
people can write apps to turn on every feature of the phone in any way they
want and drain the battery in any way they want. I will ask the question if
the LED
Can be turned off entirely.
I feel like Clark
After recently having a 5.2 earthquake here in the Midwest, I realized the
potential in the Openmoko for detecting/pinpointing earthquakes. What this
is mostly dependant on is the accuracy of the accelerometers in the
Freerunner. From what I've read, Macbooks' accelerometers and detect and
Sounds like an awesome idea! :D
Ortwin
On 4/19/08, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After recently having a 5.2 earthquake here in the Midwest, I realized the
potential in the Openmoko for detecting/pinpointing earthquakes. What this
is mostly dependant on is the accuracy of the
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:53 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian
Personally I'd vote LEDS off the island. But since we are open source
people can write apps to turn on every feature of the phone in any way they
want and drain the battery in any way they want. I will ask the
On Sat April 19 2008 5:29:50 pm Richard Guest wrote:
Yeah, it's an interesting idea.
I read something similar on Evil Mad Scientist
http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/seismometry2
The detection/pinpointing part requires both accurate detection of shaking
and timing - obviously the
Yes, AFAIK GPS requires accurate time to function.
Ortwin
On 4/19/08, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat April 19 2008 5:29:50 pm Richard Guest wrote:
Yeah, it's an interesting idea.
I read something similar on Evil Mad Scientist
On Sat April 19 2008 5:52:14 pm Ortwin Regel wrote:
Yes, AFAIK GPS requires accurate time to function.
Ortwin
On 4/19/08, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat April 19 2008 5:29:50 pm Richard Guest wrote:
Yeah, it's an interesting idea.
I read something similar on Evil Mad
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Fahrstuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heya,
the wiki-page about the Freerunner hardware states that issue would be
resolved in the GTA02v5 mass production phones. [1]
A6 will be fine tune version of A5, only minor schematic change for
better product
When I used a bluetooth GPS with my laptop, I notices the gpsd output had a
different time than my system clock showed, so I assume GPS provides its own
clock.
Yes. It does.
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The other way to handle this is to define your own standard.
Power Time: CPU+WIFI+GPS+ SCREEN ( something like that)
Talk time: standard definition.
Suspend time.
Standby is the first metric I would toss off the island
It's actually best in these circumstances to define the new standard. But it
GPS essentially *is* accurate timing... GPS satellites are flying atomic clocks.
Trimble has a good GPS tutorial - http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.shtml
Almost all Digital Seismometers have a GPS interface to get the
accurate timing they require.
On 20/04/2008, Brandon Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I used a bluetooth GPS with my laptop, I notices the gpsd output had
a
different time than my system clock showed, so I assume GPS provides its
own
clock.
Yes. It does.
To be a bit more specific:
The GPS gets positional data and time from one or more
satellites. This
Thanks micheal,
Since I havent actually seen any software that actually uses these LEDS, I
am hesitant to comment.
At one point Someone told me that the only ONE of the LED had this issue,
and then it only had this
Issue in a particular case. So, for example, there are three LEDs and one of
Give us some information 'bout the power glitches and I'll be happy.
Stayin' tuned - thomasg
thx.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:21 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First some clarification. I have a totally different understanding of the
LED situation.
So let me check with folks before
Matches what I expected, not worse than other mobiles out there - sounds
good.
Stayin' tuned - thomasg
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Beautifully put. Mickey, I'm putting this in the quickstart guide, clearly
labeled expected and not yet verified.
pe, 2008-04-18 kello 21:57 -0400, Kevin Dean kirjoitti:
I have to say, I'm baffled by that sentiment. GTA02v5 is fully
functional, the only problem is that it's not as efficient as it
could be, just like every other product on the planet.
Hear hear. For fuck's sake, people. Boohoo, there's
Well,
I don't have it figured out because I have some differing bits of info.
Don't fret, I will get the info and update everyone.
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Mikkelsen
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:39 PM
For those Dutch people who are interested in discussing the possible
ways of importing the Neo Freerunner in a group sale.
I have created a discussion on the talk page of the groupsale wiki page[1].
Current tally gives us already 11. So we've at least reached the 10
needed for the discounted
I bet you've built and shipped a few things in your life.
Dr. Johnson: Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
PS. Big fan of Ray K. we should talk.
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Sent: Saturday, April 19,
Well,
I suppose one could create videos of all the steps.
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Feldgendler
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:43 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart
My FR has two speaker holes, but I do recall the spec being mono. perhaps
that was just on Bluetooth.
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Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:03 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Neo
steve wrote:
As I recall. There is an LED under the aux button an LED on the face of the
device and an LED under the power button.
According to what I've read [1] there are just two leds, but one of
these (the one under the power button) has two kind of light (blue/red).
[1]
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
And the point was? Yeah, the point. There was one here somewhere, let me
look for it. Oh yeah. Here it is:
Nothing. Will. Ever. Be. Perfect.
I know this and I never asked for a perfect device, I do really know
that this LED(s) issue is just a minor problem, but I
steve wrote:
My FR has two speaker holes, but I do recall the spec being mono. perhaps
that was just on Bluetooth.
Some time ago I heard that the device was mono, but with two speakers
(pushing out the same sound).
Is this wrong?
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Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Fahrstuhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Heya,
the wiki-page about the Freerunner hardware states that issue would be
resolved in the GTA02v5 mass production phones. [1]
A6 will be fine tune version of A5, only minor
The recent responses to possible issues with the GTA02v5 is a perfect
illustration of why many companies will not open their process. As Mikko
and others have pointed out, THERE ARE NO PERFECT PRODUCTS. With a closed
company, YOU simply don't know about known defects, future improvements,
etc.
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Hi there.
I've been fascinated for this project for some time and now, with the
proximity of the Freerunner release, I want to start a bit more active.
I also have been following this list for a few days and I would like to
have some clarifications.
Perhaps there are two (sets of) speaker holes, but only one of those
holes have a speaker behind them.
steve wrote:
My FR has two speaker holes, but I do recall the spec being mono. perhaps
that was just on Bluetooth.
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Hi,
Nothing. Will. Ever. Be. Perfect.
thanks for your statement. It is really appreciated.
The same is for software.
Dirk
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