Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Montour
Noah Romer wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03: http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin Is this not the u-boot image? I thought it was and tried to flash it using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed uImage is the kernel. You

Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Tick Chen
Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 10:19:51PM -0700, Noah Romer wrote: William Lai wrote, On 08/08/08 04:03:

Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
Martin Šenkeřík [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe can help reflashing your u-boot with some actual version... Thanks for the suggestion. Haven't tried that, but instead, I changed u-boot env to add a new menu entry including init=/sbin/init. It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I

Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread rakshat hooja
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you indeed reflash u-boot with kernel image. I think you will need a debug board. Regard, Tick Or just boot into NOR U-boot nand erase u-boot and flash a new U-boot in using

Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?

2008-08-09 Thread DooD
The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm

Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

2008-08-09 Thread Jim Morris
Lorn Potter wrote: As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings. That worked great thanks. Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the kernel need to match the qtopia image?

Re: SF User's Group - Meetup?

2008-08-09 Thread Jeffrey Malone
I definitely have an interest as well, and am on your list from the booth. There is a wiki page listing those interested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco I believe that page dates back to the 1973, but there are new additions and people still interested.

Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?

2008-08-09 Thread Dirk Bergstrom
DooD wrote: The files you need to edit are under /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/keyboards I believe there is a Full-QWERTY.kbd in there, just backup the Default.kbd and replace it with the Full-QWERTY.kbd mv Default.kbd Defaultbackup.kbd mv Full-QWERTY.kbd Default.kbd

Re: maps for others country?

2008-08-09 Thread Tick Chen
Hi Alessio, Yes, Locations will automatically download maps from Open Street Maps. IF the backend found that it can access to the network. Therefore, you can create your own personal map, (even package for sharing). How? 1. Let Neo connect to the Internet. 2. Turn on Locations, 3. Zoom

Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

2008-08-09 Thread Jim Morris
Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings. That worked great thanks. Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the kernel need to

Re: FreeRunner Quick Start User Guide

2008-08-09 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi all! --- On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Brenda Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | This page is Official One. | | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner \-- I am trying to sync up with the updates in the above. It is now available in .txt, .ps, .pdf, .rtf, and

Re: Upgrading on Qtopia

2008-08-09 Thread Jim Morris
Jim Morris wrote: Jim Morris wrote: Lorn Potter wrote: As well, there is a qtopia binary only tarball which has a script to update just qtopia in case you don't want to backup your settings. That worked great thanks. Is it safe to update the kernel to the latest version? or does the

Moving my 2007.2 to SD to try 2008.8 with fallback solution

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. I thought of moving my currently running (quite fine alhough the usual problems, i.e. I can place calls anyway) 2007.2 system to microSD, so that I could flash the new 2008.8 image and run it from flash (it seems I cannot manage to run it from SD, btw). Would you recommend a good procedure

Re: opkg: Could not obtain administrative lock (Om2008.8)

2008-08-09 Thread Peter Nijs
The graphical installer uses packagekit. This doesn't close when you close the installer. So if you want to use opkg after having used the installer, run killall packagekit first. Peter Op Saturday 09 August 2008 06:03:32 schreef Nathan Kinkade: Installed the Om2008.8 images announced today

Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? Yes, I do. Initially, I had a running Qtopia on the said microsd (small vfat partition with uImage.bin, big ext2 one with rootfs expanded on it, the normal way if

Android

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Baroukh
hi all. I'm not a system programmer. I've got system administration skills and Java developpement skills. I will certainly say lots of absurdities. Please correct me ... I'd love to make system developpement. But start point is not easy. I was thinking of following the LinuxFromScratch from

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Markus Binsteiner
Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Basically the problem is that android is compiled for ARMv5 whereas the neos have got an ARMv4 processor. Cheers, Markus On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:08 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: hi all. I'm not a

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread Peter Mogensen
Dale Maggee wrote: Firstly, it's *gorgeous* - eyecandy city! I *really* like the look and feel of it! It's much more friendly and less 'clunky' feeling than 2007.2. Hmm.. let's just say I'm impressed by how good Qtopia on X11 actually performs. Some of the earlier snapshots were really slow,

Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available

2008-08-09 Thread Peter Nijs
In an attempt to make it work (which failed btw) I installed these packages from the standard repos: -gsm0710mux -libgsmd -gsmd-plugins -libmokogsmd2-0 -qtopia-phone-x11-libgsm + all dependency's Since it still doesn't work, the question is if they are necessary to be able to use the openmoko

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Cédric Berger
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). Android is not yet published as open source.

Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08?

2008-08-09 Thread Dimitri
I'm with you, Dirk. This qtopia keyboard just doesn't function right. And switching .kbd files does nothing. Flicking only toggles the different views of the keyboard, none of which contain the enter or arrow keys. (Since we're throwing out essential keys, why stop there? Let's remove some

Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Tobias Kündig
Hello everyone! I flashed OM2008.8 yesterday. It's really awesome what great software the developers created! Thank you all for this! But there are some small things I don't like on it: * I. E. there is no real home screen. * I cannot receive SMS - or lets say «not all SMS». * I'm still missing

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:44:36 +0200 Tobias Kündig [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello everyone! I flashed OM2008.8 yesterday. It's really awesome what great software the developers created! Thank you all for this! But there are some small things I don't like on it: * I. E. there is no real

Re: Sean: Please authorise the release of GTA01 schematics

2008-08-09 Thread Lothar Behrens
Hi, I am happy with that too - still waiting for my FreeRunner :-) Fisrt I thougt - ohh the CAD files are from commercial tools only, but now, the Schematics are simple PDF files - but good ones. Does anyone plan to make real ECAD project from these schematics - propably with KICAD - a

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread rakshat hooja
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Link to full qwerty screenshot in FSO uploaded by Kevin Dean http://monochromementality.com/data/phoo/2008_08_05/medium/Screenshot-9.png Full

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread William Kenworthy
yes, it looks great, but can it be installed in 2008.8 (how?) BillK On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:48 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Cédric Berger
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my SD card. (format partition, copy tar file in /tmp, untar 2008.8 rootfs into partition)

Re: FSO and GSM instability

2008-08-09 Thread Clare
Yes, I have a GTA01 and GTA02 both running FSO-M2. Each one has a SIM card. The GTA01 has its blue bar steadily on. The GTA02 the bar is off more than on.Sometimes it briefly says No Service. I have fiddled with it and taken some notes but it is quite erratic. and even if I succeed in ringing

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hi all, First of all I also have to say great job with 2008.08. I like it a lot. Then the normal keyboard rant. I don't mind the predictive keyboard at all. As long as 1) I can add languages 2) can choose the word I actually typed. When the predictive kb is on, and I type in english I really

Re: FSO and GSM instability

2008-08-09 Thread NeilBrown
On Sat, August 9, 2008 9:33 pm, Clare wrote: Yes, I have a GTA01 and GTA02 both running FSO-M2. Each one has a SIM card. The GTA01 has its blue bar steadily on. The GTA02 the bar is off more than on.Sometimes it briefly says No Service. I have fiddled with it and taken some notes but it is

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread Dale Maggee
The graphical installer is great! I really like this, although I agree with the opinion stated elsewhere that the text is too big, and I'd really like to see the 'description' text on the package details screen, so that I know what the package is (names aren't always that informative).

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Dale Maggee
2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Martin Vyšný
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:59 +0200, Cédric Berger wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available

Re: Quasar - Mediaplayer for Openmoko?

2008-08-09 Thread Patrick Beck
Hello Bernt, that sounds great. I'am interessed in your progress (perhaps not alone). Please inform us. with kind regards Patrick Am Freitag, den 08.08.2008, 13:36 -0700 schrieb Bernt: Patrick Beck wrote: Hello Lorn, thanks for your answer. It's a pity. with kind regards

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread rakshat hooja
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2) can choose the word I actually typed. Yeah, This would improve the usability immensely! Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. Quite easy to form words this way. Using FSO image these days but i used to type

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Dale Maggee
please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these things, but it was decided that this was not what was wanted. i've

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Dale Maggee
Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the terminal in Qtopia

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Michael Sheldon
Dale Maggee wrote: Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O Using FSO image these days but i used to type on the

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread ted braak
Thanks for your impression. Really helpful in deciding NOT to install this. I am pretty amazed you claim that the OM team have made a big leap forward and also saying this version still has issues with the basic functionality of the phone.. Power management, calling, sms and intuitive entering

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Dale Maggee
Michael Sheldon wrote: Dale Maggee wrote: Press and hold the letter for about 1.5-2 sec. I'm aware of this Quite easy to form words this way. Granted, it's not difficult, but it's damn time-comsuming! typing my name takes nearly 10 seconds this way! :O

Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package

2008-08-09 Thread Stroller
On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are being made, it would be quite useful here to have the phone emulate

Re: Quasar - Mediaplayer for Openmoko?

2008-08-09 Thread vale
oh yes, quasar is absolutely fantastic. would like to see that on my freerunner too !!! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Quasar---Mediaplayer-for-Openmoko--tp680836p682767.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread Dale Maggee
ted braak wrote: Thanks for your impression. Really helpful in deciding NOT to install this. I am pretty amazed you claim that the OM team have made a big leap forward and also saying this version still has issues with the basic functionality of the phone.. Power management, calling, sms

Re: tangospg and 2008.8 - gui not drawing

2008-08-09 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
You can either install it by overwriting /usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc or I think by sticking it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 Cheers, Mike. Thanks, Mike. Your modified gtkrc worked perfectly for me. tangogps looks *much* better now. However, putting it in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 didn't seem to work

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 08:08:13PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: please check the mail list archives about terminal and asu, and check the keyboard in FSO. the keyboard in ASU is the qtopia keyboard. for better or worse. illume has it's own internal keyboard that does give you all these

Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I changed u-boot env to add a new menu entry including init=/sbin/init. It went a bit further this time : kernel boots and I can see the booting splash screen (with boots and progress bar), although the X server wasn't started, I guess : I get a

Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package

2008-08-09 Thread Yorick Moko
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are

Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - First beta package

2008-08-09 Thread Valerio Valerio
HI, 2008/8/9 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 8 Aug 2008, at 22:34, Valerio Valerio wrote: Question: Would it be possible to emulate the Wii Remote? Yes it would be possible, it some accelerometer work. I have a similar functionality planed yet While requests are being made, it would be

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Baroukh
Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Ok. I gave up. I would need at least 10 years to make the samething. We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and recompiled on ARM4, or wait for android.jar to be open-sourced

Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Tick Chen
Oh Sorry, Yes you are right, there is an Nor uboot for this case. Thanks for correct me. Cheers, Tick On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 11:41:25AM +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Tick Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah, No, It's kernel image. If you

Re: A very sad story...

2008-08-09 Thread Esben Stien
John Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LCD panel! The company should set up a spare parts page and I thought this would have been done already. We're all going to need new glass in the front after a while, when it's all scratched up. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] s a

What will be in GTA03?

2008-08-09 Thread Monkey D. Luffy
(no reply so far... so a little bump) This is more or less my wish list... So what will be in? 1) camera (decent one, 3MP or more) Will it be possible to record movies with sound? What resolution? 2) buttons on the damn thing :p SNES and GBx all the way :) Or at the very least, sell the GTA03

Openmoko 2008.8

2008-08-09 Thread Aaron Sowry
...just made it to the front page of Digg. Let's see how the wiki holds up to the deluge ;) Aaron ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: What will be in GTA03?

2008-08-09 Thread arne anka
(no reply so far... so a little bump) there were a lot! and besides, you did obviously never check, what _gta02_ has already -- 50% of you wishlist are irrelevant! PLEASE CC ME in your reply. if you don't care to read the list (or anything else, like news) why do you spam it?

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Martin Vyšný
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:30 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Ok. I gave up. I would need at least 10 years to make the samething. We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and

Re: A very sad story...

2008-08-09 Thread Feydreva
On the Wiki, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_hardware#LCD_Module_.28LCM.29 it says the LCD module is a TD028TTEC1 Just Google it.. there is 2 Chinese company selling it... You can find it also on eBay for 309 RM (Malaysian ringgit) which is approx : 90$

FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Christian Weßel
Hi folks, I have installed the openmoko-browser to my FR (with uImage-2.6.24 +git20080424-om-gta02.bin and related rootfs, I don' know the shortcut) and I have add the matchbox-keyboard (due to full QWERTY-keys) instead of multitab-pad succesfully. My wifi works fine, but if I surf to a site

2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Scott
Well I installed the 2008.8 even though the bug list had 4 or 5 items that basically rendered the phone useless. Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text,

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Montour
Scott wrote: Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? The first one (OM

Re: FR, browser and matchbox-keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Charles-Henri Gros
How can I activate the keyboard? Or how can I automate the appearance at selection of an enter field? Depending on what distribution you're running, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ASU_Keyboard_Toggle or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards#How_to_add_a_keyboard_toggle_button

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Aaron Sowry
Mike Montour wrote: Scott wrote: Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen?

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread ted braak
2008 was launched like this: William Lai wrote: Here is what you can expect: - A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia. - A new and flexible window manager [Illume] that broadens our support for the different graphic libraries, including GTK+ and more. - The whole system

Re: Usable Keyboard

2008-08-09 Thread Jay Vaughan
he code and are simply configured to be off and/or inaccessible. unfortunately - this is going to have to sit on a backburner and await whatever spare time i find for it as i have resigned from openmoko (effective end of august). Oh dear. I just won a bet (Raster will leave OpenMoko

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread Jay Vaughan
Not really, I don't see a need - Installing software is not something you're going to be doing five times a day while on the train on the way to work. So? What if I want to install software at least once or twice a week, do I have to have a stylus around all the time? Sure, you _might_

Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Noah Romer
[snip: me not paying attention and all sorts of folks being helpfull] Ah. It's much happier now. Thanks. -- Noah Romer | Knowledge is power. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP key available | Power corrupts. by finger or email |

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ted braak wrote: It is not stable, software is not fast, and power management is not reliable. Announcing something this way leads to disappointments. I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team. Also I don't see

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Dimitri
It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to read?) Why the developers are spending time breaking

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread arne anka
Bah, this is really terrible thinking. Whats wrong with making a purely finger-friendly interface, besides laziness? screen real estate. i might be wrong but i imagine finger friendly with large buttons and so on, taking up a lot of space. ___

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Bumbl
As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Dimitri wrote: It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to the internet *out-of-the-box*. (Who wants to

Re: FSO and GSM instability

2008-08-09 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Freitag 08 August 2008 22:47:10 schrieb Fredrik Wendt: 2008-08-07 22:38 -0700, C R McClenaghan: [gprs part cut out] does anyone else experience gsm instability with FSO MS2? Chris Yes, though I have yet to do some basic testing/debugging to see when and how I get disconnected. But

Re: A very sad story...

2008-08-09 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
John, if you have no luck with your reseller, then contact me, I have a spare LCD panel I could send you. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Kalle Happonen
Bumbl wrote: As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not

Re: What will be in GTA03?

2008-08-09 Thread Monkey D. Luffy
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (no reply so far... so a little bump) there were a lot! Not replying to what I asked. The comments were mostly offtopic. and besides, you did obviously never check, what _gta02_ has already -- 50% of you wishlist are

Re: FSO and GSM instability

2008-08-09 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 14:12:56 schrieb NeilBrown: ogsmdINFO org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.Status: {'cid': '590C', 'strength': 0, 'provider': 'vodafone AU', 'lac': '08A2', 'registration': 'home'} [...] That's ok. Frequent cell changes are usual. The strength 0 is a modem race

descriptions for openembedded/openmoko packages?

2008-08-09 Thread arne anka
hi, is there a place where the packages available in the oe/om source repos are described? when looking through the code amassed by mokomakefile i often wonder what kind of apps might be hidden behind some of these hermetic names ... ___ Openmoko

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 18:11:11 schrieb Mike Montour: Scott wrote: Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen, then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over? Can't

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Jacob Peterson
You need to take into account that this is just a milestone release, a snapshot of the current progress of the ASU development. It is *NOT* a final release in any way, shape or form. If you read the announcement by William Lai he lists: - A stable and working phone stack realized by using

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Bumbl
Kalle Happonen wrote: Bumbl wrote: As it seems they have the contrary. They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without accepting ideas from the developers or the community. Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Jay Vaughan
Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of patience, watching things go backwards

Re: 2008.08 - First Impressions

2008-08-09 Thread Jay Vaughan
screen real estate. i might be wrong but i imagine finger friendly with large buttons and so on, taking up a lot of space. i don't think so, but thats just me. there is a lot that can be done with overlays and sliders and so on that just isn't being done. but enough complaints, off i

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Jay Vaughan
Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source. Well the problem is that the

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Fredrik Wendt
On 2008-08-09, 09:51 -0600 Scott wrote words in English and overall acted out as he was less then 10 yrs old, and this is snippets of what he wrote: [...] WTF over? Can't we have just one damn boot screen? [...] Why is it so slow now? Everything takes forever? Why won't it wake up from

Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR

2008-08-09 Thread Fredrik Wendt
Hi. I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses track of the laptop's connections when ppp0 goes down). Is this completely out of scope? Should I

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Baroukh
Well the problem is that the toolchain has such a huge ramp-up to just get started that there really isn't much contribution to the mainline base packages from the community. I'm not an expert, but I agree. I think it would be possible to make a SDK with Eclipse. It would come with arm gcc

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 13:33 -0500, Jacob Peterson wrote: You need to take into account that this is just a milestone release, ... - A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia. ... I would say it does meet all of those points. What is it not, is a final phone

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OM has a TRAC system - if there is a problem raise a bug for it. The sooner they are told something is wrong, the sooner it will get attention. Especially the keyboard - if people just rant, it will get ignored. Tell them what a pile it is -

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Jonathan Spooner
Jay Vaughan wrote: Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were previously worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in desperate need of fixing, is beyond me. Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of patience,

Re: Kernel module request: MASQuerade on FR

2008-08-09 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | I want to use the FreeRunner as a GPRS modem for my laptop. I can | successfully setup SNAT, but MASQUERADE would be even better (since the | GPRS connection is rather flaky and SNAT drops/looses

Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Anyone succeeded in booting the new image from (micro)SD ? | | I did too. I replaced my ASU image on a third ext3 partition on my

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Jeff Davis
Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called iPhone. Might suite you just fine. The iPhone can at least make and receive phone calls reliably, which seems to put it ahead of the FreeRunner at this point. Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that

Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at | all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. If you updated your U-Boot partway through your testing, for a while we

FR GPRS speed

2008-08-09 Thread Jeff Davis
What's the highest internet speed the GRPS modem on the FR is capable of? Wikipedia gives a very broad range for sub-EDGE technology. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Now, I have found a way to boot to OM 2008.8 from SD (actually VFAT + | EXT3). | | But I'm too unable to use network over USB now (works fine if | rebooting to 2007.2 in flash). | | lsusb reports : | Bus

Re: FR GPRS speed

2008-08-09 Thread Mikko Rauhala
la, 2008-08-09 kello 17:36 -0400, Jeff Davis kirjoitti: What's the highest internet speed the GRPS modem on the FR is capable of? Wikipedia gives a very broad range for sub-EDGE technology. It supports the max. plain gprs speed, theoretically 80kpbs. -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

USB keyboards silent in terminal (FSO)

2008-08-09 Thread Fredrik Wendt
Hi. I bought a USB gender changer (5€) and today I've played with it to see what the smartphone's capable of. I really only have one goal and that is to avoid having to buy a BT keyboard for faster input in the terminal. I've been able to connect two keyboards, they light up but doesn't work in

GPRS working (somewhat) with T-Mobile and Freerunner

2008-08-09 Thread Nathan Kinkade
I just wanted to share with the community that I have somewhat got GPRS working T-Mobile on a Freerunner (GTA02) with the August 8 release of Om2008.8. I'm going to paste a bunch of stuff in here, so sorry if this email is pretty confused and long. I need to say up front that I don't have any

Re: descriptions for openembedded/openmoko packages?

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi, is there a place where the packages available in the oe/om source repos are described? when looking through the code amassed by mokomakefile i often wonder what kind of apps might be hidden behind some of these hermetic names ... Browsing at the

Network over USB flaky ? - Re: Booting OM 2008.08 from SD - Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release

2008-08-09 Thread Olivier Berger
Olivier Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | But the first few boots I could not have USB networking working -at | all-. Now it works, but I don't really know what was wrong. If you updated your U-Boot

Using freerunner as a telephone

2008-08-09 Thread Eric Smith
What is the best image and configuration to have freerunner making and receiving telephone calls. I am thinking maximum reliability and battery life. Kind of failsafe mode. Or am I on the wrong universe? -- - Eric Smith ___ Openmoko community

Re: 2008 WTF??

2008-08-09 Thread Fredrik Wendt
Jeff Davis wrote: Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls is not exactly the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for. The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a hammer that you compared it with. The hardware is

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