On Thursday 10 April 2008 01:17:51 Denis wrote:
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for
tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy.
I don't know if it was already mentioned, but encryption of the GPS data might
be a solution to keep privacy.
Sven
Sven Klomp wrote:
On Thursday 10 April 2008 01:17:51 Denis wrote:
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for
tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy.
I don't know if it was already mentioned, but encryption of the GPS data
might be a solution to
On Thursday 10 April 2008 10:19:22 Didier Raboud wrote:
Sven Klomp wrote:
On Thursday 10 April 2008 01:17:51 Denis wrote:
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for
tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy.
I don't know if it was already
Sven Klomp wrote:
On Thursday 10 April 2008 10:19:22 Didier Raboud wrote:
Sven Klomp wrote:
On Thursday 10 April 2008 01:17:51 Denis wrote:
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for
tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy.
I don't know if
you can see my bolg http://blog.chinaunix.net/u/13385/ , it may be help
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Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
On 4/7/08, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
* If I loose or let my Moko being stolen, I can find my connection
parameters (on the paper) and go to track.openmoko.com and there I can
find
24 coordinates a day. This could help me find it back or help
Denis wrote:
Then why on Earth would a hijacker use standard image?
Because the Neos will always be one particular phone in a sea of other
phones (even in an ocean of other phone _types_). I was assuming that the
hijacker were only random hijackers targetting all possible phones to just
resell
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it
is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know
about a function like the one we are discussing here.
But i think there is another problem: I don't know if it legal to track
the position of a person without
On 4/9/08, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is
unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a
function like the one we are discussing here.
But i think there is another problem: I
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: Loosing your moko
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is
unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a
function like the one we
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Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
| On 4/9/08, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image - it is
| unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't know about a
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On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image -
it is unusual with normal phones. I think nearly all of them don't
know about a function like the one we are discussing here. But i
think there is another problem: I
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Subject: Re: Loosing your moko
On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Yes, i think a normal
Some information about the users (like GPS tracks) can in some
countries be illegal unless the user wants this (even if the user is
the thief). Information retrieved illegally can not be used to put the
thief in jail and I believe that in some places in the US, the thief
might put you through a
ke, 2008-04-09 kello 22:48 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen kirjoitti:
Some information about the users (like GPS tracks) can in some
countries be illegal unless the user wants this (even if the user is
the thief). Information retrieved illegally can not be used to put the
thief in jail and I
Tim Newsom pisze:
[...]
On Wed, April 9, 2008 2:39 pm, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Yes, i think a normal hijacker has no skills to flash the image -
But hijacker most probably will turn the Neo off once he gets it into
his dirty hands. Then he will sell it to some fence. And fence could
Centralized database is evil. I'm going to use my own server for
tracking my Neo. I think it's the only way to keep privacy.
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On 4/7/08, Didier Raboud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* If I loose or let my Moko being stolen, I can find my connection
parameters (on the paper) and go to track.openmoko.com and there I can
find
24 coordinates a day. This could help me find it back or help the police
find it back. Of course,
., but it all starts with the
unique component ID if there is one :-)
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Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:13 AM
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Subject: Re: Loosing your moko
On 4/7/08
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Hi there!
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special
keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the
It sounds like these anti-theft measures are more likely to confuse the
ordinary user. They sound quite ingenious, but are still not going to be
an impenetrable barrier to theft - and probably not worth the effort.
The thread is concerning the loss of the Moko, and I am reminded of
those beeping
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Sean Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It sounds like these anti-theft measures are more likely to confuse the
ordinary user. They sound quite ingenious, but are still not going to be
an impenetrable barrier to theft - and probably not worth the effort.
It'd
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:36:48AM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Hi there!
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Alexey Feldgendler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:35:17 +0200, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off the
phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will
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Mike Baroukh wrote:
Very good Idea !
just : if it has been stolen, the sim card will be changed. So may be,
each time the sim card is changed, an sms could automatically be send to
another number (so you have the new phone number and can continue
Michele Renda ha scritto:
When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off
the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change
the internal sim, before to turn on it.
Well, this is true but sending data on next power-on could help.
BTW, here we're
It's certainly prudent to realise that this is far from a full-proof
phone theft prevention system. I realise it's a little redundant to say
aaw, but no security is airtight anyway!, but it's worth pointing out
nonetheless.
Encrypted data, a device that phones home... these are all flawed but
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Sean Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's certainly prudent to realise that this is far from a full-proof
phone theft prevention system. I realise it's a little redundant to say
aaw, but no security is airtight anyway!, but it's worth pointing out
I don't want to say this is the solution for all the problems:
As cool as all the solutions sound, we have to think of some
problems/implications:
1) What happens if the sim gets changed?
It continue to run, because the program is not sim related. Whe it see a
tcp/ip connection it send a
Hello
I am a programmer, and I possible I will have some of the technical
capacity to develop something like this.
I don't have any experience about OpenMoko programming, so, is very
possible I will not have success.
But I will try to do, when I will buy my first FreeRunner ( I hope it
will
Trevisan
(Treviño)
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: Loosing your moko
Crane, Matthew ha scritto:
An application only tx/rx'ing periodic and small amounts of data may work
better running on top of sms.
Well, ok... Btw the question remains
I too am (some sort of) developer. I tried to mess around a bit with
soem simple openmoko programming some months ago (pre-GTA01), but
since then we've gotten a long way. as far as I can understand it,
most of this options ould'nt be difficult, and if the correct bindings
are provided, could even
According you is possible to prepare it with an qemu emulated system?
Or is necessary to have the true hardware?
ramsesoriginal wrote:
I too am (some sort of) developer. I tried to mess around a bit with
soem simple openmoko programming some months ago (pre-GTA01), but
since then we've gotten a
The phone needs an application where we can configure which of all
these ideas we want to use (sending coordinates phone no, detecting
if out of reach from BT device, etc).
I would like my phone to log the GPS info + current phone no to my
server, where the information would be stored in a mysql
Sorry for replying to my own post. I just noticed that I quoted the wrong mail:(
What I meant to quote was:
Is possible to implement a system to get all these data to the server
(one time it is allarmed) and to delete the phone copy.
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About the we can do nothing if the phone is turned off by the thief
immediately - maybe we can do at least something:
- implement the regular shutdown via a hidden menu entry, maybe with a
password
- if the phone is instead turned off via the (hardware) power button of the
Neo we just fake a
Michele Renda ha scritto:
According you is possible to prepare it with an qemu emulated system?
Or is necessary to have the true hardware?
AFAIK you can simply install Openmoko stack in any hardware, also in a
standard PC, simply follow the wiki [1]!
[1] http://tinyurl.com/6bkfpj
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Hi there!
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special
keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates to a
server. So
Some days ago I was thinking something about this.
My idea was this:
1. An application to install (who want) on openmoko. It is running as a
deamon. Configure very simple like username, password, server.
2. If it is running, check if there is connection. If yes, it send his
mac and gps
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:
Hi there!
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special
keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the
Hi.
Very good Idea !
just : if it has been stolen, the sim card will be changed. So may be,
each time the sim card is changed, an sms could automatically be send to
another number (so you have the new phone number and can continue to
communicate with it ...). Or, if gprs works, maybe a post can
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find you moko, you only have to send an SMS with a special
keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates to a
server. So
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find your moko, you only have to send an SMS with a
special keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates
Or it could be programmed to send this GPS-locating message to the
server each time the SIM card is changed, for the ultra-paranoid.
Matt
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of
I think it would be quite likely that a phone thief/finder would
change the SIM, either because they want to use it themselves, or
because they want to sell it. I'd do the following:
Set up a script so that the phone regularly connects to a server you
control, downloads the contents of a folder
True, but frankly there's a lot of bad stuff that could happen if
someone malicious got that level of access to our servers...
On 03/04/2008, andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Joseph Reeves wrote:
I think it would be quite likely that a phone
Why not merge all this ideas?
Could anyone try to implement this?
If not, I'll do it in summer (when I'll buy a freerunner;-))...
cheers
Sebastian
Am Donnerstag, den 03.04.2008, 19:01 +0100 schrieb Joseph Reeves:
True, but frankly there's a lot of bad stuff that could happen if
someone
Some days ago I was thinking something about this.
My idea was this:
1. An application to install (who want) on openmoko. It is running as a
deamon. Configure very simple like username, password, server.
2. If it is running, check if there is connection. If yes, it send his
mac and gps
On jue, 2008-04-03 at 18:30 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
Some days ago I was thinking something about this.
My idea was this:
1. An application to install (who want) on openmoko. It is running as a
deamon. Configure very simple like username, password, server.
2. If it is running, check
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Author: Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 03rd April 2008 9:00 pm
On jue, 2008-04-03 at 18:30 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
Some days ago I was thinking something about this.
My idea was this:
1. An application to install (who want) on openmoko
Mike Baroukh wrote:
Very good Idea !
just : if it has been stolen, the sim card will be changed. So may be,
each time the sim card is changed, an sms could automatically be send to
another number (so you have the new phone number and can continue to
communicate with it ...). Or, if gprs works,
the server software too, and
run it on your own server :)
/me points to the GPS location sharing project and thinks it could suite the
task with authentication.
Cheers,
Federico
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Author:Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL
I think the original idea was a sensible one, but I doubt many would be
willing to risk losing all their data for the rare situation where it
would be a security advantage.
I think there is something to be said for nifty GPS features. I've lost
my phone... why not SMS it and ask it to email me
The idea of a homing beacon is pretty cool. I have to say, however
that havign a centralized place for this information to be stored
is... as politely as possible, stupid.
Asking Can we do something expresses creativity but requires a
should we do something. We know the device CAN do that,
,
Federico
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Author: Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 03rd April 2008 9:00 pm
On jue, 2008-04-03 at 18:30 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
Some days ago I was thinking something about this.
My idea
According me the sms or email solution is not ok for this reason:
When I steal the phone, the first thing that I will do is to turn off
the phone. Then because I am afraid to be detected by cell I will change
the internal sim, before to turn on it.
So: we need something that periodically
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