I've run as a regular user on Debian, but updates would break most of
it.
huh? what are you doing to make that happen?
breakages happend at most twice:
- when dbus was upgraded -- and that was remedied by putting the fso
related changes in an additional file
- when nodm changed its
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Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there ,
for example
good reason to run it on
FR instead of G1 or other closed handset though, as this capability can be
discovered and disabled in the source tree.
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You instinctively decide to hate it due to some features you don't like
(which are aimed at supporting proprietary apps, and you're free to disable
in your version, or just not use those apps). There's nothing stopping
people from releasing android apps as FOSS. personally I really like the
^D
$ make
If you wish to switch a branch, do
$ repo init -b new_branch
$ repo sync
(and likely rm -rf out)
Marcelo
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-[ Tue, May 19, 2009 at 04:59:35PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ]
What's proprietary about android?
The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its
the
phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen.
Like you I don't feel confortable with
*Can the HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1) developer version be fully modified in
order to run an OS like the openmoko one?
the labeled devices (ie those providers give away) have a bootloader that
checks for signed code -- the signature is proprietary to the provider and
not available.
thus, these
I am a bit aghast at the weirdness shown here:
Going by the criteria most of you use, you must immediately delete all
versions of Linux and destroy your OM phones and any other harware you
own, as it almost certainly has used proproety software/hardware
somewhere in its manufacturing chain:
not something I know a hell of a lot about. There is a build system
(I think it just uses make) and a toolchain available. Again, check koolu if
you're interested.
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 05:37:50PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
Going by the criteria most of you use, you must immediately delete all
versions of Linux and destroy your OM phones and any other harware you
own, as it almost certainly has used proproety software/hardware
somewhere in its
В Срд, 20/05/2009 в 17:37 +0800, William Kenworthy пишет:
Many of your favourite utilities are present on Apple machines, so you
cant ever use ls, rm etc. ever again ...
Nope, I can - watch me ;-)
Sorry about provoking such a huge flame - I didn't expect that purely
technical issue will bring
Max wrote:
Sorry about provoking such a huge flame - I didn't expect that purely
technical issue will bring it up.
In the beggining you had technical question. You recieved pure technical
answer.. Then you started this flamewar with i dont want to use
proprietary crap answer.
It would be
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 17:26 +0700, Max wrote:
...Personally I prefer to use things that are free (as in Freedom - English
people should really invent separate words for freedom's and freebeer's
free - wwe have it in Russian and it makes life a lot easier :)
It's in English. The word is liberty.
GNUtoo wrote:
About the android OS:
*Is the SDK free(as in freedom) software...I bet it isn't but I could be
wrong...this could stop me from trying the android OS
The entire OS is free. The kernel is linux and everything else is under the
APL2, an FSF approved license.
GNUtoo wrote:
*a free version compilable from source without google stuff(such as
maps)
I was told I had to gab source.android.com, type make and then make sdk
Yes, a hand full of Google apps are unfree.
But what I find amazing is, that they cust comply to a known api as any
other program
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 16:52 +0200, GNUtoo wrote:
GNUtoo wrote:
About the android OS:
*Is the SDK free(as in freedom) software...I bet it isn't but I could be
wrong...this could stop me from trying the android OS
The entire OS is free. The kernel is linux and everything else
Hi Max,
I've run as a regular user on Debian, but updates would break most of
it. If you are going to try it on Debian, then don't forget the DBus
and /dev rights to be set correctly.
I have not seen any technical issues with using a normal user[1] and I'm
all for it. As far as I know, nobody
changes they're doing. I'm not
saying it's going to be easy...
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As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account to
run phone application and to access device via ssh. To my mind this
introduce great security risk.
At the same time on my Ubuntu by default root is unable to logon anyhow
and everything is done via sudo. This lets me
Max wrote:
At the same time on my Ubuntu by default root is unable to logon anyhow
and everything is done via sudo. This lets me think that there is no
need to use root account on FR - at least not for running phone
application and for remote access.
I wonder - is there distribution which
On Tue, 19 May 2009 09:48:37 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz said:
Max wrote:
At the same time on my Ubuntu by default root is unable to logon anyhow
and everything is done via sudo. This lets me think that there is no
need to use root account on FR - at least not for running phone
I wonder - is there distribution which tried to address this issue?
Are there any plans to use regular user instead of root in om2009?
Maybe using package-kit (which works via dbus btw) and policy-kit might
help?
my debian works as non-root since i started using it -- in fact, it was
one of
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:21 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez пишет:
Max, search on the list, for example in nabble[1], and you will find a
lot of pretty lng threads disscussing this issue
[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html
Tried to search it but found only small discussion on
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет:
Maybe take a look at Android?
That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as
in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my
phone I would just buy some sort of chineese iphone :-)
Thanks for
2009/5/19 Max m...@darim.com:
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:21 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez пишет:
Max, search on the list, for example in nabble[1], and you will find a
lot of pretty lng threads disscussing this issue
[1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html
Tried to search it but
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Max m...@darim.com wrote:
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет:
Maybe take a look at Android?
That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as
in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my
Max m...@darim.com writes:
I wonder - is there distribution which tried to address this issue?
I have been using my debian installation as non-root since last
summer.
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On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 15:30 +0700, Max wrote:
... If I wanted some proprietary staff on my
phone ...
Sorry, no gsm for you. The modem's firmware is proprietary. Anyone who
hasn't read the leaked ti calypso documentation want to write a free
firmware?
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:42:20AM -0700, Ali wrote:
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 15:30 +0700, Max wrote:
... If I wanted some proprietary staff on my
phone ...
Sorry, no gsm for you. The modem's firmware is proprietary. Anyone who
hasn't read the leaked ti calypso documentation want to write a
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:42:20AM -0700, Ali wrote:
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 15:30 +0700, Max wrote:
... If I wanted some proprietary staff on my
phone ...
Sorry, no gsm for you. The modem's firmware is proprietary. Anyone who
hasn't read the leaked ti calypso documentation want to write a
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As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account to
run phone application and to access device via ssh. To my mind this
introduce great security risk.
The Debian distribution works with a non-root user.
Stefan
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote:
Max Suraev wrote:
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет:
Maybe take a look at Android?
That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as
in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some
keyboard, smooth graphics, responsive.
Compared to android most of the other stuff I've seen on the OM is crap.
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On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote:
What's proprietary about android?
The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its
the
phone maker/operator that does it is a
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but is that really so hard to fix? If
one has time to play around, default login can be substituted with one
of a restricted user. Check out what breaks, fix it, repeat. What must
be absolutely run as root can be but I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard
to move most of
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 01:44:49PM -0400, Jim Ancona wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org
wrote:
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote:
What's proprietary about android?
The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones.
rms wrote:
Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL,
Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions
than the
GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the essencial
freedoms.
APL2 (and similar licenses) mean that
Can you point out exactly which criticism of Android on the wikipedia page
you think makes Android not a 'free' option on the OM, and what part of the
ars technica article you are talking about? I've read through both and it
isn't obvious to me.
I certainly agree that Android running on a
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 21:56 +0100, Juergen Schinker wrote:
rms wrote:
Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL,
Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions
than the
GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the
in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example
routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux
is closed,
2009/5/19 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca:
Can you point out exactly which criticism of Android on the wikipedia page
you think makes
On Tuesday 19 May 2009 20:04:51 Yogiz wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but is that really so hard to fix? If
one has time to play around, default login can be substituted with one
of a restricted user. Check out what breaks, fix it, repeat. What must
be absolutely run as root can be but
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
Well, since Freedom 0 is hampered in practice, as well as freedom 3, and
without freedoms 0 and 3, 1 and 2 aren't of much use, I can't label software
oriented towards being DRM friendly as Free Software, in practice.
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 00:43, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
da...@tuxbrain.com wrote:
in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example
routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux
is closed,
It only means that if they don't publish the code, and
Max m...@darim.com writes:
As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account
to run phone application
Yeah, it sucks badly;). I sent a mail to the SHR list the other
day. This issue will be resolved and future SHR distributions will not
run as super user.
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