Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-13 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.05.24 um 11:42 schrieb Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues: If we want to try and weigh cost against benefit, do the benefits really outweigh the cost? How costly is it to carry a patch in Debian and deviate from upstream versus all the problems that participants of this thread now listed? My

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.05.24 um 12:35 schrieb Simon Richter: Hi, On 5/6/24 17:40, Michael Biebl wrote: If we go with a/, then I think d-i should be updated to no longer create /tmp as a separate partition. I think if the admin explicitly configures tmpfs as a separate file system, then that should

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.05.24 um 12:18 schrieb Luca Boccassi: Defaults are defaults, they are trivially and fully overridable where needed if needed. Especially container and VM managers these days can super trivially override them via SMBIOS Type11 strings or Credentials, ephemerally and without changing the

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.05.24 um 12:15 schrieb Barak A. Pearlmutter: We have two separate issues here: a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. Agreed. I also don't see any issue with a/, at worst people will be annoyed with

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 05.05.24 um 22:04 schrieb Luca Boccassi: This will be mentioned in NEWS (and I guess in the release notes when the time comes), together with the instructions to override for anybody wanting to keep the old behaviour, which is as trivial as: .. touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf This

Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-06 Thread Michael Biebl
We have two separate issues here: a/ /tmp-on-tmpfs b/ time based clean-up of /tmp and /var/tmp I think it makes sense to discuss/handle those separately. Regarding a/: tmp.mount as shipped by systemd uses the following mount options: "mode=1777,strictatime,nosuid,nodev,size=50%" In the past

Re: Binary conflict between Midnight Commander and MinIO Client

2024-04-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 21.04.2024 um 18:31 schrieb Mathias Gibbens: Currently, Midnight Commander is packaged for Debian as `mc`. I am looking at packaging the MinIO Client (needed for a future release of Incus), which also unfortunately names its binary `mc`. MinIO upstream has been pretty clear that they don't

Re: Bug#1063880: ITP: tmpwatch -- tmpwatch is a utility searches for files not accessed in a specific time and deletes them

2024-02-13 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 13.02.2024 um 23:21 schrieb Peter Hyman: - how do you plan to maintain it? tmpwatch has not had any activity for over 5 years. Originally written by Erik Troan , Preston Brown , Mike A. Harris , Miloslav Trmač , development has been discontinued, as systemd-tmpfiles already implements this

Re: Bug#1060439: ITP: network-event-broker -- run scripts on systemd network events

2024-01-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Am 11.01.24 um 13:55 schrieb Tobias Schaffner: Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Tobias Schaffner * Package name: network-event-broker Version : 0.3.1+ds-1 Upstream Author : Susant Sahani * URL : https://github.com/vmware/network-event-broker * License

Re: HFS/HFS+ are insecure

2024-01-10 Thread Michael Biebl
On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 02:34:04 +0200 Marco d'Itri wrote: So I propose this content for a file like /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/75-insecure-fs.rules: While we could ship such a udev rule for udisks, I don't think it will properly solve the issue. The device will still show up in nautilus, plasma

Re: MBF: Switching Build-Depends from systemd/udev to systemd-dev

2024-01-08 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 04.01.24 um 18:57 schrieb Michael Biebl: Hi fellow DDs, due to popular request, the pkg-config files systemd.pc and udev.pc have been split into a separate arch:all package named systemd-dev. A lot of packages Build-Depend on systemd and/or udev to get the paths

MBF: Switching Build-Depends from systemd/udev to systemd-dev

2024-01-04 Thread Michael Biebl
lxc (U) lxcfs (U) Matthias Klumpp btrfsd debspawn fwupd (U) Matthieu Baerts mptcpd Micha Lenk smcroute Michael Biebl rsyslog Michael Hudson-Doyle snapd Michael Meskes clamav (U) Michael Prokop anytun (U) Michael Tautschnig clamav (U) Michael Vo

Re: /usr-move: Do we support upgrades without apt?

2023-12-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 21.12.23 um 11:50 schrieb Christoph Berg: Re: Helmut Grohne Is it ok to call upgrade scenarios failures that cannot be reproduced using apt unsupported until we no longer deal with aliasing? If the answer is yes here, we'll close #1058937 (Ben's libnfsidmap1 bug) with no action calling the

Re: proposal: dhcpcd-base as standard DHCP client starting with Trixie

2023-11-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 18.11.23 um 15:26 schrieb Martin-Éric Racine: What is the current situation? I don't think we reached a consensus yet. One particular aspect I don't like of the current proposal is that users upgrading from bookworm will end up with both, isc-dhcp-client and dhcpcd-base being installed.

Re: libncurses5 removal from Debian

2023-10-25 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 25.10.23 um 22:42 schrieb Alexander Koskovich: Hello, The removal of libncurses5 has led to not being able to compile the Android Open Source Platform. There is a dependency on this package in Clang prebuilts to compile the Renderscript library. removal from sid/trixie. bookworm

Re: [RFC] locking down rsyslog.service

2023-10-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, I appreciate all the excellent feedback so far. Thanks a lot! Fwiw, the current set of hardening features in rsyslog.service is available at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/rsyslog/-/blob/debian/master/debian/rsyslog.service#L18 I will see, if I can incorporate some of the suggestions by

Re: [RFC] locking down rsyslog.service

2023-10-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.10.23 um 23:48 schrieb Robert Edmonds: Michael Biebl wrote: While the attempt is to secure the default configuration of rsyslog, I do not want to restrict it so much that it becomes unusable. If you think, that one of those directives could cause issues with commonly used setups, please

Re: [RFC] locking down rsyslog.service

2023-10-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.10.23 um 13:41 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 11.10.23 um 12:54 schrieb Sam Morris: On 10/10/2023 19:22, Michael Biebl wrote: I intend to lock down rsyslog.service in Debian in one of the next uploads using the following systemd directives Have you considered NoNewPrivileges=yes

Re: [RFC] locking down rsyslog.service

2023-10-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.10.23 um 12:54 schrieb Sam Morris: On 10/10/2023 19:22, Michael Biebl wrote: I intend to lock down rsyslog.service in Debian in one of the next uploads using the following systemd directives Have you considered NoNewPrivileges=yes? This is turned in implicitly by some of the other

Re: [RFC] locking down rsyslog.service

2023-10-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.10.23 um 08:03 schrieb Simon Richter: Hi, On 10/11/23 03:22, Michael Biebl wrote: I intend to lock down rsyslog.service in Debian in one of the next uploads using the following systemd directives CapabilityBoundingSet=CAP_BLOCK_SUSPEND CAP_CHOWN CAP_LEASE CAP_NET_ADMIN

[RFC] locking down rsyslog.service

2023-10-10 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, I intend to lock down rsyslog.service in Debian in one of the next uploads using the following systemd directives PrivateTmp=yes https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#PrivateTmp= PrivateDevices=yes

Re: RFC/MBF: Dropping support for ifupdown hook scripts from network-manager package

2023-10-04 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 27.09.23 um 21:45 schrieb Michael Biebl: Hi everyone, NetworkManager provides a service named NetworkManager-dispatcher [1], which executes scripts in /{etc,usr/lib}/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d upon (network) state changes. This is in spirit similar to ifupdown's /etc/network/if-*.d

Re: RFC/MBF: Dropping support for ifupdown hook scripts from network-manager package

2023-09-27 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 27.09.23 um 22:30 schrieb Vincent Blut: From the above list, I plan to exclude the following packages: chrony ntpsec-ntpdate => already provide native NM-dispatcher scripts ... So, the remaining list of packages which I plan to do a MBF for is: aoetools auto6to4 avahi-autoipd bind9

RFC/MBF: Dropping support for ifupdown hook scripts from network-manager package

2023-09-27 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi everyone, NetworkManager provides a service named NetworkManager-dispatcher [1], which executes scripts in /{etc,usr/lib}/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d upon (network) state changes. This is in spirit similar to ifupdown's /etc/network/if-*.d/ scripts. The concepts do not match completely

Re: Salsa-CI featured on GitLab.com blog

2023-09-24 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 24.09.23 um 21:26 schrieb Otto Kekäläinen: Hi all! I just wanted to share that the story about Salsa-CI was featured a couple days ago at https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2023/09/19/debian-customizes-ci-tooling-with-gitlab/ Personally I think Salsa-CI is extremely useful and pleasant to use

Re: RFC: Reboot behavior for kexec-tools package

2023-09-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 23.09.23 um 00:26 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 22.09.23 um 21:40 schrieb Khalid Aziz: I want to change the behavior to: - No package config option to do automatic kexec reboot. - "reboot" command causes a cold reboot - Use "kexec-reboot" command to do a kexec r

Re: RFC: Reboot behavior for kexec-tools package

2023-09-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 22.09.23 um 21:40 schrieb Khalid Aziz: I want to change the behavior to: - No package config option to do automatic kexec reboot. - "reboot" command causes a cold reboot - Use "kexec-reboot" command to do a kexec reboot. "kexec-reboot" is a script installed by kexec-tools package. -

Bug#1051086: general: networking misconfigured and unusable after bookworm upgrade

2023-09-02 Thread Michael Biebl
Control: reassign -1 network-manager Am 02.09.23 um 16:51 schrieb D. R. Evans: [Z:~] nmcli enp12s0: connected to Wired connection enp11s0(eth0) It appears you have a connection configuration named "Wired connection enp11s0(eth0)" which is applied to enp12s0. This leads me to believe, that

Re: /usr-merge status update + next steps

2023-08-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.23 um 23:14 schrieb Helmut Grohne: ## dh_usrmerge I intend to add a new tool dh_usrmerge to debhelper (not yet implemented). Its purpose is performing the path canonicalization in binary packages. As long as the moratorium is in effect, this helper must not be used. It shall be

Re: __pycache__ directories (Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row)

2023-08-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 16.08.23 um 06:02 schrieb Paul Wise: On Mon, 2023-08-14 at 22:09 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: I received a couple of bug reports against packages I (co) maintain regarding this issue and having a quick look, quite a few fail due to python scripts being run during the build and creating

__pycache__ directories (Re: Potential MBF: packages failing to build twice in a row)

2023-08-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, I received a couple of bug reports against packages I (co) maintain regarding this issue and having a quick look, quite a few fail due to python scripts being run during the build and creating a __pycache__ directory. Examples: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1048444

Re: debci / salsa ci: support for qemu runner

2023-07-25 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 25.07.23 um 19:49 schrieb Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues: Hi, Quoting Michael Biebl (2023-07-25 16:16:35) apparently, we in Debian struggle to find good opportunities where to spend our money. I think support for qemu runners, i.e. supporting isolation-machine in autopkgtest on both

debci / salsa ci: support for qemu runner

2023-07-25 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, apparently, we in Debian struggle to find good opportunities where to spend our money. I think support for qemu runners, i.e. supporting isolation-machine in autopkgtest on both debci and salsa ci would be an excellent opportunity. Maybe I'm underestimating the ongoing costs to keep

Re: Policy consensus on transition when removing initscripts.

2023-06-28 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 27.06.23 um 19:31 schrieb Russ Allbery: Simon Richter writes: The only thing we actually need is a versioned Replaces that allows orphan-sysvinit-scripts to take over ownership of the conffile. Conflicts is unneeded here, and the daemon package does not need to declare any relationship.

Re: proposal: dhcpcd-base as standard DHCP client starting with Trixie

2023-06-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.06.23 um 22:37 schrieb Simon McVittie: If you agree with the way forward that I'm suggesting, then I think the way to do it would be: 1. open an override bug asking for isc-dhcp-client to be lowered from important to optional 2. wait for the ftp team to do that 3. ask the ifupdown

Re: proposal: dhcpcd-base as standard DHCP client starting with Trixie

2023-06-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.06.23 um 12:54 schrieb Martin-Éric Racine: Greetings, Seeing how the ISC DHCP suite has reached EOL upstream, now might be a good time to re-visit Debian's choice of standard DHCP client shipping with priority:important. I hereby propose bin:dhcpcd-base: 1) already supported by

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.05.23 um 19:23 schrieb Cyril Brulebois: Hi, Andrew M.A. Cater (2023-05-19): I'd honestly suggest *just* publishing DVD1 for i386. Netinst requires internet access: DVD1 can be used to install a basic system without this. Scrap *everything else* for i386 installation media. I'm not

partial support for i386 (Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal))

2023-05-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.05.23 um 17:30 schrieb Simon McVittie: On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 09:19:35 -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: I have to ask how someone would conduct an install to a 32-bit x86 machine running under emulation, assuming no OS on the simulated machine. I see four levels of support that we

Re: Bug#1036358: release-notes: Debian 12 expected to be last release w/ installer for i386

2023-05-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.05.23 um 17:35 schrieb Ansgar: I suggest to already document this in the release notes for bookworm, possibly in Section 2.1 (Supported architectures) or a subsection in Section 5 (Issues to be aware of for bookworm). Maybe something along these lines: +--- | Debian 12 is expected to be

Re: Restart rsyslog only once after few packages are upgraded

2022-10-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.10.22 um 12:14 schrieb Michael Biebl: This trigger is activated by packages installing files into /etc/rsyslog.d But you can activate that trigger explicitly as well via dpkg-trigger --now-await rsyslog So, if your package ships a file in /etc/rsyslog.d/ everything should work ootb

Re: Restart rsyslog only once after few packages are upgraded

2022-10-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.10.22 um 11:53 schrieb julien.pu...@gmail.com: Le mercredi 26 octobre 2022 à 11:49 +0200, Jędrzej Dudkiewicz a écrit : in its postinstall script. As this causes rsyslog to be restarted a few times in a row it sometimes results in rsyslog not functioning. High-severity issue right

Re: Restart rsyslog only once after few packages are upgraded

2022-10-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.10.22 um 11:49 schrieb Jędrzej Dudkiewicz: I'm sorry if it was answered earlier, but I *really* couldn't find anything about it. I have few packages that are installed as part of a larger system on Debian running on BeagleBone. These packages frequently (for some strange reason - I'm not

[MASS-NMU] rebuild with new debhelper 13.10 / changes to dh_installinit and dh_installsystemd

2022-10-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, if just did a bunch for NMUs containing the changelog entry "No source change upload to rebuild with debhelper 13.10." In case you are wondering what this is about, please read on. There were some recent changes in debhelper [2], specifically in dh_installinit and dh_installsystemd in how

Re: /boot partition too small

2022-10-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.10.22 um 11:48 schrieb Enrico Zini: (somehow a bit more space is needed during install than is used at the end) Can you clarify? Is the new intramfs generated in /boot or generated outside of /boot but copied to /boot under a different name so it can be replaced atomically? I assume

Re: Q: checking with piuparts before getting into repository

2022-10-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.10.22 um 17:45 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 06.10.22 um 17:34 schrieb Hideki Yamane: Hi,   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1021336   This kind of bug in "required" package breaks build infrastructure   that uses sid. However, we can prevent it by using piupa

Re: Q: checking with piuparts before getting into repository

2022-10-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.10.22 um 17:34 schrieb Hideki Yamane: Hi, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1021336 This kind of bug in "required" package breaks build infrastructure that uses sid. However, we can prevent it by using piuparts before it would get into repository, IMHO.

Re: /boot partition too small

2022-10-06 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 06.10.22 um 16:23 schrieb Diederik de Haas: That doesn't change my perspective that the fundamental aspect of /boot being too small should be addressed (directly) and not try to workaround it. Agreed. But automatically resizing existing partitions on a running system will probably not be

Re: Firmware GR result - what happens next?

2022-10-02 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 02.10.22 um 20:14 schrieb Luca Boccassi: On Sun, 2022-10-02 at 10:52 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: will be very obvious.  But if you currently have non-free configured but don't add the new firmware section, everything will appear to work but you won't get new firmware, so the problem may go

Re: UsrMerge vs cruft

2022-09-22 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Alexandre Am 22.09.22 um 01:16 schrieb Alexandre Detiste: Hi, It looks like UsrMerge finally broke the "cruft" engine for good. As a mix of bash, Perl and ad-hoc C helpers, it has be unmaintainable and mostly unmaintained for so many years. request bug:

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

2022-09-13 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Am 13.09.22 um 18:17 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 12:17:23 +, Holger Levsen wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:38:39PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Should we repeat this mistake? Or put this differently: is there a pressing need/compelling reason to switch to pipewire

Re: Switch default from PulseAudio to PipeWire (and WirePlumber) for audio

2022-09-09 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 08.09.22 um 17:58 schrieb Dylan Aïssi: Hi, I have been asked several times regarding when Debian will switch its default sound server from PulseAudio to PipeWire without having an official answer. Thus, I suppose it's the right time to start a discussion about that. I really like the idea

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.22 um 10:42 schrieb Ansgar: On Fri, 2022-08-19 at 10:35 +0200, Philip Hands wrote: P.S. BTW the change Guillem suggests seems like a good idea anyway:    treating changelogs as control files. I'm interested: why? What makes Debian's changelog different from other documentation

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.22 um 10:35 schrieb Philip Hands: Paul Wise writes: On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 21:18 +0200, Gioele Barabucci wrote: Does anybody have objective objections against activating automatic changelog trimming in binary packages? Before we consider enabling this by default, first we need a

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.22 um 09:04 schrieb Fabio Fantoni: I also use many times the changelog view on packages.debian.org, it show the full changelog from source and will still show the full changelog? Correct. The changelogs linked from packages.debian.org are from

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Paul Am 19.08.22 um 03:01 schrieb Paul Wise: On Thu, 2022-08-18 at 21:18 +0200, Gioele Barabucci wrote: Does anybody have objective objections against activating automatic changelog trimming in binary packages? Before we consider enabling this by default, first we need a way for `apt

Re: Automatic trimming of changelogs in binary packages

2022-08-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Gioele, thanks for working on this! Am 18.08.22 um 21:18 schrieb Gioele Barabucci: Hello, in 2020 there was a brief discussion on debian-devel@ about trimming changelogs [1,2]. Now there is a working implementation of said functionality in `dh_installchangelogs` [3]. This

Re: how about telegram channel

2022-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.07.22 um 21:01 schrieb Bartosz Fenski: Hey folks. Anyone interested in switching to some more modern channels of communication? I'm tired of keeping VPS just to have IRC client and to be honest I think modern solutions like Telegram are simply easier and much more practical nowadays.

Re: Adding epoch to node-markdown-it to correct a wrong upstream version

2022-05-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 20.05.22 um 11:23 schrieb Pirate Praveen: On വ്യാ, മേയ് 19 2022 at 04:39:23 വൈകു -05:00:00 -05:00:00, Richard Laager wrote: On 5/19/22 05:42, Pirate Praveen wrote: So current version in the archive is 22.2.3+dfsg+~12.2.3-1 The fixed version we want is 10.0.0+dfsg+~cs16.6.17-1 I have

Re: udevil (package) recommends udisks2?

2022-05-10 Thread Michael Biebl
[such questions are probably better directed at debian-user] Am 10.05.22 um 14:46 schrieb Jaime: On Tue, 10 May 2022 at 13:06, Jaime wrote: According to https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/udevil, udevil recommends udisks2. I've also just realised that udisks2 is not mentioned anywhere in

Re: rebuild of rpcbind (and other packages?) due to old debhelper bug 993316

2022-04-08 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 08.04.22 um 21:21 schrieb Paul Gevers: I recall a binNMU bug was filed against the release.debian.org pseudo package to fix all affected packages. I can only assume that somehow this package slipped through the cracks. Hm,... # apt-file search -x ^/usr/lib/systemd/system/ | wc -l 122 I

Re: Q: systemd-timer vs cron

2022-03-15 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 15.03.22 um 03:31 schrieb Paul Wise: On Mon, 2022-03-14 at 11:47 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: Yes, this is true. These are the unit and script that I use, and I think that Debian would benefit from having something like this available in some common package. ... $(systemctl status

Re: Q: systemd-timer vs cron

2022-03-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.03.22 um 20:43 schrieb Josh Triplett: Michael Biebl wrote: I'd agree here. user crontabs are such a niche case where systemd's own facilities don't provide a direct replacement. That said, my main point was about packages shipping cron files. As a distro we'd benefit if those shipped

Re: Q: systemd-timer vs cron

2022-03-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.03.22 um 16:28 schrieb Colin Watson: On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 09:29:56AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Sun, 2022-03-13 at 18:02 +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: I don't think that's a very constructive line of argument. As a former maintainer, it was evident that user crontabs (crontab -e)

Re: Q: systemd-timer vs cron

2022-03-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.03.22 um 02:29 schrieb Paul Wise: The cron feature of sending the output via email by default isn't possible to get easily with systemd timers or systemd-cron, unless you modify every single timer to manually send email See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2020/01/msg00205.html

Re: Q: systemd-timer vs cron

2022-03-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.03.22 um 20:40 schrieb Michael Stone: On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 03:19:52PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Hideki Yamane wrote: Is there any suggestion or guideline for pacakges that contain both systemd-timer unit setting and cronjob? Don't they conflict or not Do what apt does; make the cron

Re: Q: systemd-timer vs cron

2022-03-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 12.03.22 um 08:09 schrieb Andreas Metzler: On 2022-03-12 Hideki Yamane wrote: Is there any suggestion or guideline for pacakges that contain both systemd-timer unit setting and cronjob? Don't they conflict or not Hello, You want to skip running the cronjob on systems with systemd

Re: systemd-sysusers [Re: Seeking consensus for some changes in adduser]

2022-03-11 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 11.03.22 um 15:37 schrieb Simon McVittie: and the equivalent if we were relying on sysusers would be this: install flatpak /usr/lib/sysusers.d/flatpak.conf is created postinst or trigger invokes systemd-sysusers An important distinction is that this postinst can be

systemd-sysusers [Re: Seeking consensus for some changes in adduser]

2022-03-10 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Marc, have you considered a more declarative approach as provided by systemd-sysusers (8)? I'm a fan of less manual maintainer scripts code and maybe systemd-sysusers is an answer to that, especially given that we split out the systemd-sysusers binary into a standalone binary which should

Re: The future of src:ntp

2022-01-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.01.22 um 13:07 schrieb Marc Haber: On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 21:49:53 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: Fwiw, I'm with Marco here: If systemd-timesyncd (a simple SNTP client which is enabled by default) doesn't fit your needs, chrony is a great alternative. The Beef I have with chrony

Re: The future of src:ntp

2022-01-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 18.01.22 um 19:44 schrieb Moritz Mühlenhoff: Bernhard Schmidt wrote: However, development for ntp.org is slow, upstream still using BitKeeper is cumbersome, and even the testsuite needs to be fixes on some architectures for new releases. Both ntpsec and chrony are (from my POV) the better

Re: etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/ equivalent for systemd-resolved

2021-12-30 Thread Michael Biebl
On 29.12.21 22:35, Scott Kitterman wrote: The postfix package ships a script in /etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/ to restart postfix when resolv.conf is updated. Why copy the file? Couldn't you bind mount it into the chroot so you don't need to update it everytime the host /etc/resolv.conf

Re: [RFC] changes to rsyslog - default to RFC 5424 format

2021-12-19 Thread Michael Biebl
On 18.12.21 21:57, Roger Lynn wrote: On 18/12/2021 15:00, Michael Biebl wrote: I'm not a user of logwatch, so I don't know, if logwatch nowadays can handle RFC 5424 timestamps, but even if so, I think the benefits outweigh the potential breakage. And it's easy enough for users to create a drop

Re: [RFC] changes to rsyslog - default to RFC 5424 format

2021-12-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 23.11.21 um 23:53 schrieb Scott Kitterman: On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 3:49:17 PM EST Simon Josefsson wrote: Michael Biebl writes: Hi, we are early in the bookworm release cycle, so I guess it's the perfect time to bring up this topic. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but perhaps now

Re: ayatana-indicator-messages: bump epoch in package version from to 1

2021-12-12 Thread Michael Biebl
On 12.12.21 19:22, Jeremy Bicha wrote: Therefore, it seems pretty easy to me for you to just bump the upstream version in its next release from 0.9.0 to 13.11.0 (or 14.0 or 14.9.0 or whatever higher number). Blame Ubuntu in your release notes. That seems like the least complex way to handle

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

2021-11-19 Thread Michael Biebl
On 19.11.21 11:58, Philip Hands wrote: Ansgar writes: * doing this will, in a non-negligible number of cases, trigger the bug to manifest on systems where that package is upgraded from a version where the move had not taken place to one where it has. Why do you claim that? Given packages

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

2021-11-17 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 17.11.2021 um 19:57 schrieb Sam Hartman: The question is whether we ever get to a place where people can update files in a package currently installed to /bin/foo and instead install them to /usr/bin/foo. We have a consensus that dpkg bugs make that a bad idea. Is that really so? If I'm not

Re: [RFC] changes to rsyslog

2021-11-13 Thread Michael Biebl
On 13.11.21 22:40, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 10:32:23PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: - Existing systems will continue to have rsyslog installed (but they can safely uninstall rsyslog) I'm not sure if this a directly relevant question (apologies

[RFC] changes to rsyslog

2021-11-13 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, we are early in the bookworm release cycle, so I guess it's the perfect time to bring up this topic. For quite a long time, we defaulted to a volatile journal in systemd. We finally changed that in bullseye [1]. We still do install rsyslog by default despite this change (due to rsyslog's

Re: Crypto Libs: Linking to OpenSSL, GnuTLS, NSS, ..?

2021-11-11 Thread Michael Biebl
On 11.11.21 17:01, Russ Allbery wrote: Alexander Traud writes: Debian is very much OpenSSL. However, I see some packages default to GnuTLS or even NSS without providing OpenSSL, although their source project supports it. Historically, use of GnuTLS was mostly because of licensing

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

2021-11-09 Thread Michael Biebl
On 09.11.21 19:01, David Kalnischkies wrote: (Minus that for 12 it is technically still supported as long as it remains 12, but those who have to know will know that and everyone else is better of following the default anyhow) I'm worried that by saying that unmerged is still supported in

Re: network-manager-gnome - no primary & secondary dns possible?

2021-10-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Please ask your questions on debian-user. debian-devel is the wrong list. OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: network-manager-gnome - no primary & secondary dns possible?

2021-10-16 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 16.10.21 um 09:27 schrieb dude: Hello, on latest Debian 11 + MATE Desktop (it is software simplicity at it's best :) why is it not possible to set primary & secondary dns via network-manager-gnome? (only "additional dns") It is possible. Choose Method: Automatic (DHCP) addresses only

OpenSSL 3.0 - Apache 2.0 vs GPL 2 (Re: Bug#995636: transition: openssl)

2021-10-05 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Kurt, hi Luca, hi everyone, regarding the impending transition to OpenSSL 3.0 in unstable (which is now licensed under Apache 2.0), I wonder what that means for Debian, given that apparently GPL-2 (and also LGPL-2) and Apache 2.0 are incompatible with each other. If I read Luca

Re: Bug#995189: RFH: isc-dhcp

2021-09-30 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Noah Am 28.09.21 um 00:48 schrieb Noah Meyerhans: For what it's worth, my preference would be transition to systemd-networkd with bookworm. Something I've been meaning to look into but never found the time for it is to have d-i support systemd-networkd. Anyone interested in hacking on

Re: Bug#995189: RFH: isc-dhcp

2021-09-28 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 28.09.21 um 13:00 schrieb Marc Haber: On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 04:15:58 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Sep 28, Noah Meyerhans wrote: For what it's worth, my preference would be transition to systemd-networkd with bookworm. I think that a good default would be systemd-networkd for servers and

Re: connman does not respect /etc/network/interfaces when upgrading from buster to bullseye and more general considerations

2021-09-25 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 23.09.21 um 20:17 schrieb Holger Wansing: I have just installed an LXDE system to test this, and now adding network-manager-gnome, installs 24 new packages, taking 39 MB of additional disk space, according to the apt-get output I might consider splitting off network-manager's

Re: No network management in LXDE task

2021-09-25 Thread Michael Biebl
+): On Thursday, September 23rd, 2021 at 1:05 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 23.09.21 um 21:35 schrieb Jaycee Santos: Is there a reason why to choose gnome-network-manager over something like nm-tray for LXDE? I think nm-tray (being based on Qt5) is a reasonable choice for LXQT (which

Re: connman does not respect /etc/network/interfaces when upgrading from buster to bullseye and more general considerations

2021-09-23 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 23.09.21 um 21:35 schrieb Jaycee Santos: On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:21:10PM +0200, Ervin Dine wrote: I have not had any problems with conman in my LXDE Debian 11 install but if I may give my suggestion, gnome-network-manager works fine with LXDE and it has more features. Why not bundle that

Re: OpenSSL relicensed to Apache 2.0

2021-09-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Christian Am 21.09.21 um 12:37 schrieb Christian Kastner: In case anyone missed it, the most recent release is now distributed under the Apache 2.0 license: https://lwn.net/Articles/868536/ I want to highlight Luca's insightful post here

Re: WARNING: dh_installsystemd is moving unit files to /usr/lib/systemd/system

2021-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.21 um 16:28 schrieb Theodore Ts'o: OK, thanks for confirming this. What really worried me was this text in lintian: N: Systemd in Debian searches for unit files in /lib/systemd/system/ and N: /etc/systemd/system. Notably, it does *not* look in N: /usr/lib/systemd/system/ for

Re: WARNING: dh_installsystemd is moving unit files to /usr/lib/systemd/system

2021-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.21 um 08:27 schrieb Michael Biebl: I'll check later today, if i-s-h (init-system-helpers) does properly handle this new path. If so, I'd say the bug should be reassigned to lintian and we should start transitioning the files to /usr/lib/systemd/system. I now remember updating i-s-h

Re: WARNING: dh_installsystemd is moving unit files to /usr/lib/systemd/system

2021-08-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.08.2021 um 06:18 schrieb Theodore Ts'o: There appears to be a rather major regression in debhelper 1.13.4 and 1.13.4nmu1, which is forcing unit files to go in /usr/lib/systemd/system, instead of /lib/systemd/systemd (where sytemd will actually pay attention to them). Installing those

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.07.21 um 07:23 schrieb Marc Haber: I am NOT looking forward having to manually convert legacy systems to merged /usr and I do sincerely hope that Debian will choose a way to get away without throwing away systems that have just a small /, still supporting a dedicated /usr as long as it's

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Guillem Am 19.07.21 um 03:36 schrieb Guillem Jover: What I've also said multiple times, is that merged-usr-via-moves-and-symlink-farms could have been implemented in a fully automated way, by debhelper, w/o requiring any maintainer scripts, all with full cooperation and managed by dpkg, with

Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd

2021-07-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 09.07.21 um 14:24 schrieb Helmut Grohne: Now let's do something stupid. Rename systemd to systemd-core (taking all files with it, please refrain from discussing the name unless you seriously consider doing this). Mark it Multi-Arch: allowed. Add a new, empty binary package systemd. It is

Re: XFCE4 notes

2021-07-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.07.21 um 19:54 schrieb Paul Sutton: Hi All Am I right in thinking that xfce4-notes has been removed?  I have installed xfce4-goodies and it isn't installed. From unstable/testing that is correct. See https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xfce4-notes-plugin specifically

Re: automatic NEW processing [was Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd]

2021-07-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.07.21 um 13:47 schrieb Michael Biebl: Am 14.07.21 um 12:59 schrieb Simon McVittie: Would it be feasible for dak to have a list of binary package name regexes mapped to a source package and a section/priority, and auto-accept packages from the given source package that match the regex

automatic NEW processing [was Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd]

2021-07-14 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 14.07.21 um 12:59 schrieb Simon McVittie: Would it be feasible for dak to have a list of binary package name regexes mapped to a source package and a section/priority, and auto-accept packages from the given source package that match the regex, assigning the given section/priority, without

Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd

2021-07-09 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi Guillem, thanks for your feedback Am 09.07.21 um 13:46 schrieb Guillem Jover: If the private library has no backwards or forward compatibility (due to the SONAME used) the time window where the library does not match the expectations of the stuff linked to it might indeed be too big. The

Re: Need help with Multi-Arch in systemd

2021-07-09 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 09.07.2021 um 13:01 schrieb Timo Röhling: * Michael Biebl [2021-07-09 12:29]: That tightly versioned dependency doesn't help unfortunately. There is still a time window between the new libsystemd-shared and the new systemd being unpacked. There's also a time window between files in /usr

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