On Sat, Apr 06, 2024 at 12:14:01AM +0530, Sruthi Chandran wrote:
>On 28/03/24 05:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> Greetings candidates,
>
> QUESTION TO THE CANDIDATES: what are your quantitative diversity goals
> and metrics, and what are the rationales behind those
On 28/03/24 05:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Greetings candidates,
QUESTION TO THE CANDIDATES: what are your quantitative diversity goals
and metrics, and what are the rationales behind those goals and metrics?
Sorry, I do not wish to put a quantitative value to solve a social issue.
Some
Mechtilde Stehmann wrote on 01/04/2024 at 20:36:02+0200:
> Hello Roberto,
>
>> Question to the candidates: do you support using data to help guide
>> decisions regarding gender diversity in Debian and would you support
>> improving the way in which the Debian proj
Hello Roberto,
Question to the candidates: do you support using data to help guide
decisions regarding gender diversity in Debian and would you support
improving the way in which the Debian project collects information on
the gender identity of contributors as an aid to those of us desiring
Hello Roberto,
Question to the candidates: do you support using data to help guide
decisions regarding gender diversity in Debian and would you support
improving the way in which the Debian project collects information on
the gender identity of contributors as an aid to those of us desiring
On 17183 March 1977, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
I am also the original author of packages, and since I am told that
salsa is
only for debian and upstream projects are not supposed to be there,
for me it
is easier to keep packaging and development on a single repository.
Which of
course can't
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:28:33 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> The reason for asking the question in the first place is because the
> statements made by the candidates demand some level of quantification.
> What, precisely, is the problem with asking for a quantitative
> description of a
and perhaps more productive.
Question to the candidates: do you support using data to help guide
decisions regarding gender diversity in Debian and would you support
improving the way in which the Debian project collects information on
the gender identity of contributors as an aid to those of us
Am Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 02:10:07PM -0700 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
> Does anyone have a link to the information Margerita shared or information
> from other sources about the number of women contributing to Debian compared
> to Free Software in general? Having specific numbers is a helpful first
On Friday, March 29, 2024 1:56:46 PM MST Andreas Tille wrote:
> Interestingly, this issue may be more relevant than you assume. At
> DebConf15, Margerita Manterola shed light on pertinent statistics,
> revealing that the representation of women in Free Software lags behind
> that of the broader IT
Hi Soren,
Am Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 01:00:36PM -0700 schrieb Soren Stoutner:
> Personally, I am one of only two Debian Developers that I know of living in
> Arizona. So, from a local geographic diversity perspective, I would like to
> see a few more Debian Developers that I coul
On Thursday, March 28, 2024 6:53:19 PM MST Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> So, I repeat my question to the candidates: what are your quantitative
> diversity goals and metrics, and what are the rationales behind those
> goals and metrics?
I would just like to add my support to Roberto f
Hi Louis-Philippe,
Am Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 02:41:44PM -0400 schrieb Louis-Philippe Véronneau:
> We're getting a little sidetracked here, but that's not the case:
While its sidetracked from the original question I'm happy that this
came up here and I learned two good arguments (from Russ and
On 2024-03-29 4 h 49 a.m., Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
I am told that salsa is
only for debian and upstream projects are not supposed to be there
We're getting a little sidetracked here, but that's not the case:
"4. What can be hosted on salsa?
The answer is simple: As long as it is opensource
I apologize for misunderstanding your reason.Am 29.03.2024 16:28 schrieb "Roberto C. Sánchez" :Hi Sven,
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 03:57:57PM +0100, Sven Mueller wrote:
> Hi Roberto.
> Most of the reason you are asking here so persistently is that Andreas
> chose to say "over
Roberto C. Sánchez writes:
> Without a clear statement of the goal, desired, or preferred diversity
> mix it is not possible to have a discussion about whether any particular
> proposed policy or program is likely to be beneficial or detrimental.
This statement is obviously false. One
Hi Sven,
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 03:57:57PM +0100, Sven Mueller wrote:
>Hi Roberto.
>Most of the reason you are asking here so persistently is that Andreas
>chose to say "over representation of white males" instead of "under
>representation of some other group" (be it females,
e in providing opportunities to contribute to Debian, but as they
say, "we're not here to talk about me, we're here to talk about you."
First, let's be very clear about something, I have repeatedly asked for
metrics concerning your position on diversity based on the fact that in
your
Salvo Tomaselli writes:
> I am also the original author of packages, and since I am told that
> salsa is only for debian and upstream projects are not supposed to be
> there, for me it is easier to keep packaging and development on a single
> repository. Which of course can't be salsa.
The
Hi Salvo,
Am Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 09:49:24AM +0100 schrieb Salvo Tomaselli:
> I am also the original author of packages, and since I am told that salsa is
> only for debian and upstream projects are not supposed to be there, for me it
> is easier to keep packaging and development on a single
something, I have repeatedly asked for
metrics concerning your position on diversity based on the fact that in
your platform you cite "a notable over representation of male
contributors originating from countries typically considered
industrialized" as something that needs to be addressed.
Hi Robert,
Am Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:30:51AM -0400 schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez:
> ...
> In any event, rather than infer what you might believe, I thought it
> more respectful and helpful to ask you give some insight into how you
> shaped your view so that those who consider voting for you might
>
good gender balance in a year?
>
> So why does the particular threshold matter at all?
>
Because underrepresentation of women is not the stated problem. The
stated problem is "overrepresentation of males" (according to Andreas)
and a lack of "gender diversity" (accordin
> "Roberto" == Roberto C Sánchez writes:
Roberto> I can infer that you likely view the current ratio of around 3%
women
Roberto> (33/1004) and around 96% men ((1004-33)/1004) [0] (and, yes, I
recognize
Roberto> that this does not account for gender minority individuals, but I
h as DPL, then could you explain how you quantify the *current*
state of Debian in the area of diversity? That is, precisely what do you
mean by the above statement from your platform?
You mention in your reply, "The reason behind the current metrics are
well known problems in our world.
Hi Roberto,
Am Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 08:26:06PM -0400 schrieb Roberto C. Sánchez:
> QUESTION TO THE CANDIDATES: what are your quantitative diversity goals
> and metrics, and what are the rationales behind those goals and metrics?
>
> Some context:
> ...
> In the last GR there we
Greetings candidates,
QUESTION TO THE CANDIDATES: what are your quantitative diversity goals
and metrics, and what are the rationales behind those goals and metrics?
Some context:
Both platforms cite imbalances in the areas of gender and geography as
concerns contributing to each candidate's
> I hope my platform was clear enough that I'm in favour of increasing the
> > diversity in Debian.
>
> I read you page yesterday but I would like to know what ideias do you have
> to increase gender representation and geographic diversity?
>
> I'm sure everybody is in favor to
Hello, and thanks for your answers!
Sruthi Chandran writes:
> On 23/03/21 2:41 pm, Bart Martens wrote:
>> 1/ One way of addressing this, is actively BENEFIT the underrepresented
>> profiles. Positive discriminiation is needed, at least to get over an initial
>> resi
On 3/24/21 11:10 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> [...]
> sexual preference [...]
s/sexual preference/sexual orientation/
Someone just pointed out to me that "sexual preference" may be
considered offensive. That's not my intention: I simply copied the
wording of Bart without enough thinking. I've
On 3/23/21 10:20 AM, Bart Martens wrote:
> Hello DPL candidates,
>
> A question about diversity. We all know that some profiles are
> underrepresented: gender, etnic group, disability, age, sexual preference,
> education degree, rich/poor, spoken & written languages
On 23/03/21 2:41 pm, Bart Martens wrote:
> Hello DPL candidates,
>
> A question about diversity. We all know that some profiles are
> underrepresented: gender, etnic group, disability, age, sexual preference,
> education degree, rich/poor, spoken & written language
Hi Bart
On 2021/03/23 11:11, Bart Martens wrote:
> A question about diversity. We all know that some profiles are
> underrepresented: gender, etnic group, disability, age, sexual preference,
> education degree, rich/poor, spoken & written languages...
>
> 1/ On
Hello DPL candidates,
A question about diversity. We all know that some profiles are
underrepresented: gender, etnic group, disability, age, sexual preference,
education degree, rich/poor, spoken & written languages...
1/ One way of addressing this, is actively BENEFIT the underreprese
Hey Sruthi
On 2020/03/29 20:39, Sruthi Chandran wrote:
> Hello Jonathan and Brian,
>
> I have a couple of questions for both of you.
>
> - What are your thoughts on diversity in Debian?
>
> - Are we diverse enough?
Since there's a big amount of overlap with these tw
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:39 PM Sruthi Chandran wrote:
>
> Hello Jonathan and Brian,
>
> I have a couple of questions for both of you.
>
> - What are your thoughts on diversity in Debian?
Debian has evolved a great deal over the past 20+ years to the point that we
now
Hello Jonathan and Brian,
I have a couple of questions for both of you.
- What are your thoughts on diversity in Debian?
- Are we diverse enough?
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Hi folks,
We feel it is time to respond to this thread in our capacity as the
Community Team, and take a moment to remind everyone of some details
in the Code of Conduct.[1]
Notably, we'd like to bring your attention to the first point: ***Be
respectful***.
Please be respectful of others when
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 08:46:35PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> > > TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
> > > Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 08:46:35PM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
> > Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people more
> > comfortable doesn't always mean you were
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote:
> TL;DR: Treating people with respect is hard and very contextual.
> Choosing to change how you talk about something to make people more
> comfortable doesn't always mean you were obligated to make that change.
> Sometimes you're just promoting connection.
phrasing it as "init
diversity" was offensive, exclusionary or a code-of-conduct issue, it
hadn't occurred to me that someone might interpret my message that way,
and I'm sorry that my phrasing didn't make that clear.
Chris and Ian expressed what I was trying to say better than I could.
smcv
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 03:21:09PM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
> Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
> pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
> neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
> Maybe it wou
On December 12, 2019 2:57:55 PM UTC, Ian Jackson
wrote:
>Scott Kitterman writes ("Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the
>CoC"):
>> I think you reinforce my original point. In this case, the 'other
>> side' isn't the proposer of the option, it's me.
>>
&
>
>Scott> What I'm hearing is that the CoC isn't for people like me
>Scott> because you are completely dismissive of my discomfort.
>
>Given that Simon has his preference, what would you prefer to have
>happened?
>Are you saying you wish there were options on the
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 03:21:09PM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
[...]
> Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
> pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
> neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
> Ma
On 15614 March 1977, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
Maybe it would be useful to make it explicit
Scott> because you are completely dismissive of my discomfort.
Given that Simon has his preference, what would you prefer to have
happened?
Are you saying you wish there were options on the ballot both with and
without diversity?
Are you asking for your concern to be acknowledged, but perhaps not for
Scott Kitterman writes ("Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC"):
> I think you reinforce my original point. In this case, the 'other
> side' isn't the proposer of the option, it's me.
>
> What I'm hearing is that the CoC isn't for people like me because
> you
for clarifying that using people's preferred
pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
Maybe it would be useful to make it explicit?
Gerardo
Il giorno gio 12 dic 2019 alle ore 13:47 Sam Hartman
ha
>Scott> entire discussion makes me less comfortable with
>Scott> participating in Debian.
>I agree that happens sometimes.
>I agree that's even happened in Debian.
>
>I really don't think it happened here.
>Simon did not try to narrow the meaning of diversity.
>He ta
>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Hartman writes:
Sam> In adopting the Diversity Statement and the Code of Conduct
Sam> we've committed to welcoming people to the project regardless
Sam> of how they identify the project.
Sigh.
This should have been regardless of how they identify themselves.
>>>>> "Gerardo" == Gerardo Ballabio writes:
Gerardo, somehow you've taken the discussion from terms used in Debian
elections to abortion politics and use of people's preferred pronouns.
You could have found examples from within a Debian context. They were
right the
> participating in Debian.
I agree that happens sometimes.
I agree that's even happened in Debian.
I really don't think it happened here.
Simon did not try to narrow the meaning of diversity.
He talked about why people might not want to use the word.
And (this is key), the *other side agreed*.
Listen
Sorry, I just realized I sent this to the wrong list. It was for
-vote actually.
Gerardo
Il giorno gio 12 dic 2019 alle ore 11:22 Gerardo Ballabio
ha scritto:
>
> Sam, thank you very much for raising this issue and for recognizing
> that there's more than one angle to it.
>
> I tend to agree
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 02:51:37AM +, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> TLDR: Words have meanings and I find it deeply offensive when one group tries
> to hijack them for their own ends. This entire discussion makes me less
> comfortable with participating in Debian.
I have to support Scott here.
>>>> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
>
>Scott> On November 27, 2019 2:54:04 PM UTC, Simon McVittie
> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 11:27:13 +, Chris Lamb wrote:
> >>> May I gently request we replace the use of the word "
= Scott Kitterman writes:
Scott> On November 27, 2019 2:54:04 PM UTC, Simon McVittie
wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 11:27:13 +, Chris Lamb wrote:
>>> May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
>>> throughout the "ini
>>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes:
Kurt> So I did an s/Init system diversity/multiple init
Kurt> systems/. The text in B and C doesn't match exactly, since B
Kurt> and C still have "Using its power under Constitution section
Kurt> 4.
gt; permitted to make the following change without resetting the clock) I
> propose to make the following small change in proposals A, B and C:
>
> old:
> The project issues the following statement describing our current
> position on Init systems, Init system diversity, and the u
[2019-11-27 16:19] Ian Jackson
> I am not the proposer of any of the options that use the word
> "diversity". I have addressed this message to (amongst others)
> Dmitry, who is the proponent of the relevant Member-proposed option.
>
> I do not feel I can predict with
Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 04:19:25PM +]:
> Chris Lamb writes ("Please drop/replace the use of the term "diversity""):
> Enrico writes:
> > Something like s/init diversity/support for multiple init systems/
>
> I support this proposal.
Thank
small change in proposals A, B and C:
old:
The project issues the following statement describing our current
position on Init systems, Init system diversity, and the use of
systemd facilities.
new:
The project issues the following statement describing our current
position on Init systems
Micha Lenk writes ("Re: Please drop/replace the use of the term "diversity""):
> I support avoiding the term diversity in the context of this GR for
> the already mentioned good reasons. However, I would consider
> "alternative init systems" a bett
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Please drop/replace the use of the term
"diversity""):
> I agree. I have been uncomfortable with this in the context of "init
> diversity" efforts, but I didn't raise it in the past because I couldn't
> articulate clearly why I
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 07:15:17PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> I've updated choice 1 and 5 like that.
thank you.
> Note that the text of choice 1, 2 and 3 still mention it:
> "our current position on Init systems, Init system diversity, and the use of
> systemd facilities."
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:54:40PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:27:13AM +, Chris Lamb wrote:
>
> > May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
> > throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Re
Hi all,
I support avoiding the term diversity in the context of this GR for the already
mentioned good reasons. However, I would consider "alternative init systems" a
better phrase than "multiple init systems" in this context (if that matters
from a non-native speaker).
R
Am Mi., 27. Nov. 2019 um 15:54 Uhr schrieb Simon McVittie :
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 11:27:13 +, Chris Lamb wrote:
> > May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
> > throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Re
Chris Lamb writes ("Please drop/replace the use of the term "diversity""):
> May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
> throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to
> it being subject to a plebiscite?
On November 27, 2019 2:54:04 PM UTC, Simon McVittie wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 11:27:13 +, Chris Lamb wrote:
>> May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
>> throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 11:27:13 +, Chris Lamb wrote:
> May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
> throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to
> it being subject to a plebiscite?
Thank you for raising this,
la...@debian.org wrote:
>May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
>throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to
>it being subject to a plebiscite?
I fully agree.
Also, it is not acceptable for a small minority to frame
>>>>> "Enrico" == Enrico Zini writes:
Enrico> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:27:13AM +, Chris Lamb wrote:
>> May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
>> throughout the "init systems and syste
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:54:40PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote:
> > May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
> > throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to
> > it being subject to a plebiscite?
> Thank
Dear -vote,
> […]
May I gently request we replace the use of the word "diversity"
throughout the "init systems and systemd" General Resolution prior to
it being subject to a plebiscite?
To be clear, I am neither quibbling with the dictionary definition nor
the app
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:44:09PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:33 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500,
[2019-11-21 13:47] Ian Jackson
> Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> > Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous
> > versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not
> > change meaning.
>
>
Hi,
Dmitry Bogatov proposed the following amendment:
> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than systemd
> continues to be of value to the project. Every package MUST work with
> pid1 != systemd, unless it was designed by upstream to work exclusively
> with systemd and no
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 1:33 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Please consider the above version, and
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 12:49:47PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> > >
> > > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain
> > > nothing
> > > but
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 9:02 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
> >
> > Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain
> > nothing
> > but grammar/wording changes, seconded by me. (As opposed to meaning
> > changes.)
>
>
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:45:21AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes:
>
> Kurt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): >
>>>>> "Kurt" == Kurt Roeckx writes:
Kurt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"): > I've
>> currently put the title to "Packages
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> > > I've currently put the title to "Packages should support
> > >
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 02:39:09PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> > I've currently put the title to "Packages should support
> > non-systemd". Suggestions welcome.
>
> Dmitry titled his posting "
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> I've currently put the title to "Packages should support
> non-systemd". Suggestions welcome.
Dmitry titled his posting "Init Diversity" which I think is
appropriate.
Ian.
--
Ian JacksonThese opinion
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 01:08:08PM +, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
>
> Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous
> versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not
> change meaning.
>
> Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:10:13PM -0500, Brian Gupta wrote:
>
> Please consider the above version, and all future variants that contain
> nothing
> but grammar/wording changes, seconded by me. (As opposed to meaning
> changes.)
I was unable to verify your signature.
Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous
> versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not
> change meaning.
Thanks.
I think your option looks finalised to me. Do
Here I formally propose update of my draft and withdraw all previous
versions. This version contains only grammatical fixes and does not
change meaning.
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Hi,
On 2019/11/21 02:11, Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
>
> Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all
> previous versions of it.
>
> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work
> with pid1 !=
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On 2019/11/21 13:23, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Those aren't the grammar fixes I would be thinking of. I expect
> we will sort those things out :-).
>
> In the meantime, I also second this proposal.
Notwithstanding some grammar/language issues already
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Dmitry Bogatov writes:
> Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all
> previous versions of it.
>
> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST
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Brian Gupta writes ("Re: Proposal: Init Diversity"):
[ quoting Dmitry ]
> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work
> with pid1 != systemd, unl
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:11 PM Dmitry Bogatov wrote:
>
> Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all
> previous versions of it.
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> systemd continues to be
Here I formally propose new version of my draft, and withdraw all
previous versions of it.
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Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work
with pid1 != systemd, unless
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:41 AM Ian Jackson
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> (Kurt, you can skip to "FAO KURT".)
>
> Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> > Here I formally propose following o
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Dmitry Bogatov writes ("Proposal: Init Diversity"):
> Here I formally propose following option, withdrawing any previous
> versions.
...
> Being able to run Debian systems
[2019-11-17 19:56] Kyle Robbertze
> > Here I formally propose following option, withdrawing any previous
> > versions.
> >
> > Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than
> > systemd continues to be value for the project. Package MUST work
> > with pid1 != systemd,
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