Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

For those working on this subject, I have a list of resources, including detailed pointers to some great slide decks: http://shaneslides.com/2017/04/History-Of-The-Apache-Way/ Having the whys behind the concepts is important, and having individual stories to help explain real-life situations

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

Am 16. Juli 2019 23:43:19 MESZ schrieb Dmitriy Pavlov : >I know about the excellent slides done by Shane >http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#2 That's one nice source. Also there's several good slide decks out there. I've given a related talk before I headed off

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

Sometimes the short replies are the most beautiful Thank you Jim! : o), Myrle On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:34 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > a super-quick reply: > > IMO, all aspects of the Apache Way can be found at the start. Basically, > there were a number of people heavily dependent on a hunk of

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

a super-quick reply: IMO, all aspects of the Apache Way can be found at the start. Basically, there were a number of people heavily dependent on a hunk of software, the single person who was writing it left, and it left us (and everyone else who was using it) in a lurch. We never want that to

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

> On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Kenneth Knowles wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Joan Touzet > > wrote: >> >>> Hey y'all, >>> >>> On 2019-07-17 7:53, Jim Jagielski wrote: > On Jul 17,

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

> On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Kenneth Knowles wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Joan Touzet > wrote: > >> Hey y'all, >> >> On 2019-07-17 7:53, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < >> bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote:

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Joan Touzet wrote: > Hey y'all, > > On 2019-07-17 7:53, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:11 AM Dave Fisher > wrote: > >>> ...I’d like to see the

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

Hey y'all, On 2019-07-17 7:53, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz >> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:11 AM Dave Fisher wrote: >>> ...I’d like to see the Apache Way described like Euclidean Geometry >> >> I have no clue what this would look like

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

> On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:11 AM Dave Fisher wrote: >> ...I’d like to see the Apache Way described like Euclidean Geometry > > I have no clue what this would look like but I'd love to see a blog > post of yours describing

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:11 AM Dave Fisher wrote: > ...I’d like to see the Apache Way described like Euclidean Geometry I have no clue what this would look like but I'd love to see a blog post of yours describing that vision. IMO, having multiple stories and examples about The Apache Way

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

Inline- Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Dmitriy Pavlov wrote: >> For the purposes of *THIS* discussion, I think that that's a bit of a > sidetrack. > Sure. > > Jim, > Despite the fact that I do not fully understand the problem, I am ready to > volunteer to prepare materials.

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 4:05 PM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> > >> I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a > >> lack of awareness, knowledge and

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >> I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a lack >> of awareness, knowledge and (and some level) appreciation (adherence) to The >> Apache

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

> For the purposes of *THIS* discussion, I think that that's a bit of a sidetrack. Sure. Jim, Despite the fact that I do not fully understand the problem, I am ready to volunteer to prepare materials. I don't care if it will be a part of Apache Training or Apache Com.Dev or slightly another

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM Jim Jagielski wrote: > > I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a lack > of awareness, knowledge and (and some level) appreciation (adherence) to The > Apache Way. It would be useful, I think, if this was a focused effort w/i the

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

On 7/16/19 2:29 PM, Dmitriy Pavlov wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Could you mention events you're referring to? For the purposes of *THIS* discussion, I think that that's a bit of a sidetrack. Suffice it to say that clearer understanding of the *WHY* around the principles of the Apache Way is

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

The events are simply some issues with various aspects of the Apache Way, such as "the foundation does not pay for development" not being completely known by some, or misinterpreted as having a different priority. The intent is to have some centralized/focused "thingie" inside the ASF that

Re: Focused effort on Apache Way education

Hi Jim, Could you mention events you're referring to? In Apache Training (incubating) Justin started to develop content related to the Incubator https://github.com/apache/incubator-training/tree/master/content/ApacheWay , so we can consider developing a standalone session related to the Apache

Focused effort on Apache Way education

I think that the events of the last several months have clearly shown a lack of awareness, knowledge and (and some level) appreciation (adherence) to The Apache Way. It would be useful, I think, if this was a focused effort w/i the foundation. Of course, there is a lot of overlap between