Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-26 Thread Jiri Konecny
Dne 02. 07. 23 v 23:54 Demi Marie Obenour napsal(a): On 6/26/23 12:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-04 Thread Jiří Konečný
4. července 2023 0:44:41 SELČ, Neal Gompa napsal: >On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:36 PM Jiří Konečný wrote: >> >> Hi, see my replies below. >> >> 2. července 2023 23:56:59 SELČ, Demi Marie Obenour >> napsal: >> >On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: >> >> On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote:

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:36 PM Jiří Konečný wrote: > > Hi, see my replies below. > > 2. července 2023 23:56:59 SELČ, Demi Marie Obenour > napsal: > >On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > >> On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > >> > >> > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Jiří Konečný
Hi, see my replies below. 2. července 2023 23:56:59 SELČ, Demi Marie Obenour napsal: >On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: >> On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: >> >> > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? >> I guess it would be something like add the

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Jiří Konečný
Hi 3. července 2023 18:57:39 SELČ, Michael Catanzaro napsal: >On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 12:32:02 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: >> Why is that? WebKitGTK+ is one of those packages that one should only >> ship if one is willing to take every update from upstream, but my >> understanding is

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Lukáš Tyrychtr
Hello. And to add to the reasons, if the GTK4 bindings of webkit would be used, we would lose screen reader accessibility completely, see https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227528. Regards, Lukáš Dne 03.07.2023 v 18:15 Simon de Vlieger napsal(a): On 7/3/23 17:18, Demi Marie Obenour

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 12:32:02 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Why is that? WebKitGTK+ is one of those packages that one should only ship if one is willing to take every update from upstream, but my understanding is that WebKitGTK+ tries quite hard to make this easy. The set of packages

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/3/23 12:30, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 06:15:43 PM +0200, Simon de Vlieger > wrote: >> Funnily enough it was switched explicitly from webkitgtk to Firefox >> for >> a reason I forget; I think it was related to disk size. Perhaps Martin >> or Jiri has more details to

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jul 3 2023 at 06:15:43 PM +0200, Simon de Vlieger wrote: Funnily enough it was switched explicitly from webkitgtk to Firefox for a reason I forget; I think it was related to disk size. Perhaps Martin or Jiri has more details to share on that. It's because we're going to remove

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/3/23 17:18, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Fair. I wonder how much of that memory use would go away if instead of using Firefox, the web content ran in an embedded WebKitGTK+ webview. Browser security is not a concern here because in this case the web content is trusted, and this would also

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/3/23 03:18, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 7/2/23 23:56, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > >> Remote installation is not a solution to the memory bloat. It only >> pushes the problem to whatever machine the browser runs on, and it >> has significant and negative security implications. A solution

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-03 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 7/2/23 23:56, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Remote installation is not a solution to the memory bloat. It only pushes the problem to whatever machine the browser runs on, and it has significant and negative security implications. A solution here would be ensuring that the web UI uses no more

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/27/23 05:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > > > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? > I guess it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start > some systemd unit ? Can you please put some instructions for

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-07-02 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 6/26/23 12:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only be

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Jun 28 2023 at 07:06:13 PM +0200, Jiří Konečný wrote: However, I'm not sure how you can start Orca on the Workstation Live environment. Would be great to find that out from someone who knows GNOME more than me. Should be: Alt+Super+S ___

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-28 Thread Jiří Konečný
Hi, thanks for this question. We tested the accessibility and so far looks good. The benefit of this solution is that we based on PatternFly components which takes care of accessibility for us. For showing Web UI we are going to use Firefox so that should be also fine. However, I'm not sure

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-28 Thread matthew dyer
Hi, I am not a developer, I do rely on accessibility such as orca. I think the last time I tested it, the image booted but there seems to be know way to get orca speaking so could not test accessibility of installing. I am guessing this is being taking into account? As it stands now, if an

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Jonathan Steffan
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Aoife Moloney wrote: > == Summary == > The new PatternFly-based UI has been developed by the Anaconda team > for some time now and we would like to make it available for users of > Fedora to enhance and modernize installation experience. As the first > step in

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Jun 26, 2023, at 7:09 PM, Jiri Konecny wrote: > Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:39 Hans de Goede napsal(a): >> Says 2G is the supported minimum. It would be good to see if >> that can actually be made to / kept working. >> >> Has anyone already tested the new installer on a system with its >> RAM

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Jiri Konecny
Hi Vit, Dne 27. 06. 23 v 12:43 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 26. 06. 23 v 18:00 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Jiri Konecny
Hi Adam, Dne 26. 06. 23 v 22:25 Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Mon, 2023-06-26 at 17:00 +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 6/27/23 13:04, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 6/27/23 12:36, Adam Williamson wrote: To be fair, you're writing as if it's certain that a webUI-based Workstation live cannot install to a 2G system, but AFAIK that has not yet been demonstrated. It would seem reasonable to test it before

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 6/27/23 12:36, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 10:40 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: >> So although I realize this is not entirely fair IMHO if you want to push >> forward with this feature then you may also be on the hook to look into >> reducing the memory footprint

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 26. 06. 23 v 18:00 Aoife Moloney napsal(a): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 10:40 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > So although I realize this is not entirely fair IMHO if you want to push > forward with this feature then you may also be on the hook to look into > reducing the memory footprint elsewhere so that the end result still fits in > 2G RAM. I

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi Simon, On 6/27/23 11:00, Simon de Vlieger wrote: > On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > >> Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? I guess >> it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start some systemd >> unit ?  Can you please put some

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 6/27/23 10:40, Hans de Goede wrote: > Ok, so can you provide some instructions for how to make this work ? I guess it would be something like add the cmdline option + then start some systemd unit ? Can you please put some instructions for this in the testing section of:

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-27 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi Jirka, On 6/27/23 01:09, Jiri Konecny wrote: > > > Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:39 Hans de Goede napsal(a): >> Hi, >> >> On 6/26/23 18:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation >>> >>> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Jiri Konecny
Dne 26. 06. 23 v 20:39 Hans de Goede napsal(a): Hi, On 6/26/23 18:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Jiri Konecny
Dne 26. 06. 23 v 22:22 Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Mon, 2023-06-26 at 12:19 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Aoife Moloney said: == Summary == The new PatternFly-based UI has been developed by the Anaconda team for some time now and we would like to make it available for users

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2023-06-26 at 17:00 +0100, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2023-06-26 at 12:19 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Aoife Moloney said: > > == Summary == > > The new PatternFly-based UI has been developed by the Anaconda team > > for some time now and we would like to make it available for users of > > Fedora to enhance and modernize

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 6/26/23 18:00, Aoife Moloney wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Aoife Moloney said: > == Summary == > The new PatternFly-based UI has been developed by the Anaconda team > for some time now and we would like to make it available for users of > Fedora to enhance and modernize installation experience. As the first > step in this user adoption

F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora

F39 Change Proposal: Anaconda WebUI for Fedora Workstation by default (System-Wide)

2023-06-26 Thread Aoife Moloney
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AnacondaWebUIforFedoraWorkstation This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora