Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight [5 Attachments]

2010-04-21 Thread Tony
On 4/20/2010 3:32 AM, KH6TY wrote: Hi Tony, When both stations are within the same ducting level, the only audible Doppler effect is usually reflections from airplanes, and sounds much like your recording. When there is no propagation enhancement showing on the Hepburn maps, there is usually

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-21 Thread KH6TY
Tony, thanks for images. We will try with some single carriers next week and see what happens. The conditions we are currently testing under are with no ducting at all on the Hepburn map, so I assume it is all tropospheric scatter. This morning, SSB phone was very badly chopped up, but

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight [1 Attachment]

2010-04-21 Thread Tony
On 4/21/2010 3:25 PM, KH6TY wrote: This morning, SSB phone was very badly chopped up, but signals varied from S1 to S4, so we had another opportunity to test digital modes. We tried DominiEx 11, DominoEx 11 with FEC, Thor 11, and Contestia 16-500. In each case, Contestia produced about 90%

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-21 Thread KH6TY
Yes, the chopping of the SSB voice is very similar to what the second half of the MT63 signal sounds like. Next week, we'll try MT63 and just compare the sounds to SSB phone over the air. Thanks for the simulation! If you get a chance, please run Contestia against Olivia and see if you get

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-20 Thread KH6TY
Hi Tony, Thanks for making the recording of aircraft reflections. Yes, we also see and hear aircraft reflections mixed with atmospheric disturbances all the time. The aircraft reflections sound similar to what you hear on the beacon, and you can identify those because they vary in frequency

Re: [digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-20 Thread mikea
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 03:32:18AM -0400, KH6TY wrote: Hi Tony, Thanks for making the recording of aircraft reflections. Yes, we also see and hear aircraft reflections mixed with atmospheric disturbances all the time. The aircraft reflections sound similar to what you hear on the beacon,

[digitalradio] VHF / UHF Digital Beyond line-of-sight

2010-04-19 Thread Tony
Skip, Thanks for the UHF screenshots. There has to be motion or change taking place within the refractive medium to cause Doppler and it would seem this holds true for the type of atmospheric enhancement found on VHF/UHF. I can see why it's necessary to use the most robust modes if both