Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-24 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were misleading Yahoo

2021-10-24 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Willie via EV
epends on it happening before the end of the year.  If I'm out of date, please tell me news I've missed.  I have heard nothing of it in the past month or so. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.o

Re: [EVDL] Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were misleading Yahoo

2021-10-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Oct 2021 at 22:27, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Mr. Anderson and his company have 20 years-experience of consulting > with the auto industry and have been providing accurate data over that > time to many publications. With very few exceptions, success as a consultant hinges on

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Oct 2021 at 13:35, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > I'd say there's no way Tesla is going to "open up" the supercharging > network in the US, even in the next 2 years, let alone the end of this > year. It's quite likely that you know more about this than I do, but I don't think that Elon Musk is

Re: [EVDL] Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were misleading Yahoo

2021-10-24 Thread Willie via EV
On 10/24/21 6:27 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: My email conversation with Jamie the author of the article to see her excuses/vetting.  Read from bottom to top for proper date alignment. Yahoo Mail Lawrence, did you get the impression that you were trying to have a conversation with a

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Oct 2021 at 18:53, Matthew Pitts via EV wrote: > Why wouldn't folks make use of the time needed to charge their car by > doing so at a charger at their favorite store? They'll have to be > inside it for a certain period of time anyway. Exactly. That's the current situation in rural

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Matthew Pitts via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Can't agree. If you get creative and don't mind spending a bit of time at your car dealership you can do computer time while getting a free charge...if you are not creative then maybe an EV isn't for you but so far I have never had a problem getting a charge. No matter where I am.  Lawrence

[EVDL] New subject: Cheap Level 2 EVSE

2021-10-24 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Portable-Electric-Charging-Universal/dp/B096GBJW14 Here is a $139 level 2 EVSE of course it's only 16amps so limited to 3 or 4kw. Lawrence Rhodes I buy the $299 L2 charge cords that will do both L1 and L2. But what has disappeared is the $300 wall mounted L2. I

Re: [EVDL] Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were misleading Yahoo

2021-10-24 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
My email conversation with Jamie the author of the article to see her excuses/vetting.  Read from bottom to top for proper date alignment. Yahoo Mail Lawrence Home Re: Study compares electric vehicle charge costs vs. gas — and results were misleading Yahoo / Sent Lawrence Rhodes   To: Lareau,

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Matthew Pitts via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-24 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Willie via EV
On 10/24/21 3:22 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: And I say, in most cases, an EV is a poor choice for those city dwellers. Especially true of the original 100 mile EV's. But now that 250 miles is kmore common, it is true that an urban EV owner that has a short commute and o nly 20 miles a

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
And I say, in most cases, an EV is a poor choice for those city dwellers. Especially true of the original 100 mile EV's. But now that 250 miles is kmore common, it is true that an urban EV owner that has a short commute and o nly 20 miles a day of car use, could get by with weekly charging, but I

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Willie via EV
On 10/24/21 12:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: I buy the $299 L2 charge cords that will do both L1 and L2. But what has disappeared is the $300 wall mounted L2. I want to donate an L2 to an organization, but the less expensive ones have disappeared. I fairly recently bought item

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Oct 2021 at 13:09, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > The national average is 67% of people live in single family detached homes. > But after using that figure for a few years awoke to the fact that in the > mid-atlantic population (Maryland) the ratio is 50% The problem is, that's not the

Re: [EVDL] Level 1 charger...Labor costs??? (Really!??)

2021-10-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> Seriously? > You _seriously_ want to _hire_ someone to plug your Level 1 "trickle" > charger (that comes with every EV) into a regular wall socket? > Seriously? Well. We have a rental house rented to a guy (psychiatrist) who used to live in downtown NY City and is TOTALLY CLUELESS about

Re: [EVDL] Level 1 charger...Labor costs??? (was: Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.)

2021-10-24 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
The national average is 67% of people live in single family detached homes. But after using that figure for a few years awoke to the fact that in the mid-atlantic population (Maryland) the ratio is 50% So there is going to be a lot of extension cords out of windows. Bob On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at

Re: [EVDL] (no subject)

2021-10-24 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I had to actually look (skim) at the study. It appears to be a serious look, and is the first of a series on the “EV transition”, so they will do more, and much of you will have to pay for. They do *exclude* some costs, so it could be criticized for that, but at least they are transparent in

Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Michigan still spouting FUD. From the Detroit not so free press.

2021-10-24 Thread paul dove via EV
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[EVDL] Dump/Jump charging modern EVs

2021-10-24 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
Stumbled across this article: https://www.motortrend.com/features/how-to-flat-tow-recharge-electric-vehicles/ which had an interesting comment: "...the Rivian R1T and R1S, Lucid Air, and Ford F-150 Lightning all offer bi-directional charging and a cord with a CCS Combo 1 charging plug on both

Re: [EVDL] (no subject)

2021-10-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Oct 2021 at 7:15, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > I was out when she said $600 for level 1. That is absurd. It's not absurd if the article's writer is trying to inflate the cost of owning an EV, while minimizing the cost of owning an ICEV. Most writers with a goal of slamming EVs do

[EVDL] (no subject)

2021-10-24 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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