So how can we measure what impact we're having on getting women to
participate?
Over the next few months Wikimedia UK's very going to be adopting a rather
more formal set of reporting procedures. I just wondered if people on this
list had any thoughts about how we could build in some gender
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:
So how can we measure what impact we're having on getting women to
participate?
Does anyone have any more thoughts on how we should approach this?
One possible way to measure is to track how many people
@Beria
I'm not clear what point you are trying to prove, other than the 9% of
girls' voices don't matter. I also find it questionable that you refer to
women as girls and don't hesitate ponder why you don't call men boys.
Many women, like myself, get driven off of WP due to frustration with the
Most of us don't have time to read through long email(s) and a long
article trying to figure out what sentence or two someone claims is a
lie. Not very useful to the discussion, not to mention civil.
On 9/30/2011 5:49 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
There are other more powerful groups that would use the precedent to
create a template that would censor a number of articles that already
are heavily patrolled and censored by organized groups of editors (many
of them surely paid, not that they'd ever admit it).
Instead use the POV template
I'm sorry Carol, but Sue's post is 3 times bigger than my mail, and all of
us read it.
Time is not the problem here.
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(351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de
To beef up women's assertiveness so they protest, or to give more power
to some authoritarian editors to delete and block reverters, that is the
question. Why not do both?? :-) Or just get more assertive female admins.
A job I myself shrink at the thought of. I already have enough problems
Do you actually know that the 9% I reffer is the study who shows that only
9% of wp users are female, right? Because for your answer I don't quite
think you did.
And I'm here because I'm a woman and a wikipedian. I'm sorry if I don't felt
under group pression and thinks exactly like you do.
To beef up women's assertiveness so they protest, or to give more power
to some authoritarian editors to delete and block reverters, that is the
question. Why not do both?? :-) Or just get more assertive female
admins.
A job I myself shrink at the thought of. I already have enough problems
Chris, (prepare for a babble fest on data)
This is data I'm actually currently gathering as a volunteer. I have a
survey (that isn't perfect, and I wish I could have asked more..but..) I've
developed and I use a tool to monitor project contributors (
We also have a controversial template...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Controversial
I love the idea of having articles of gender concern in a one stop shopping
space. Going through the NPOV collection is long, painful and is filled with
lots of advertising articles for tech companies.
Beria - I presume you're asking me?
You shared a post replying to Kaldari asking you to explain you think Sue
Gardner is a liar.
And The only thing I got out of it is that we have a collection of
photographs of men sucking their own penises on Commons. I was also testing
Google - they say that
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Maggie rockerre...@gmail.com wrote:
@Beria
I'm not clear what point you are trying to prove, other than the 9% of
girls' voices don't matter. I also find it questionable that you refer to
women as girls and don't hesitate ponder why you don't call men boys.
And to think I was strongly criticized for posting about High Noon moments
You'd make a fine administrator, and any process that would not do so is
broken. Many of us know that and talk freely about it, but we've not been
able to get far, or even get up the energy to try.
Fred
So I've been
On Oct 1, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Maggie wrote:
Wikipedia is set up so that only people who look for these articles/pictures
will know about voting procedures. So of course if there is a vote, the
majority would probably be overall positive unless serious canvassing went on
to let people who
Maggie, Beria, and all:
I've read through the discussion of Sue's blog post with a mixture of interest
(in the substance of the various things that have been said) and concern (about
the tenor). I want to address the second of those, the way we choose to
communicate with each other.
There are
I apologize if you are offended and find this discouraging, but I am not
apologizing for what I've said. And putting a happy face at the end of your
comment does not mean you haven't invalidated my opinions. I voiced opinions
that I know several people on this list, let alone many women on
On Oct 1, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Maggie wrote:
I actually *have* read it very closely due to that situation. But thanks for
assuming that I am not capable of doing so.
Maggie -- sorry to give that impression. When I said if you haven't read it I
had in mind the broad audience -- I'm confident
One word on the girl thing:
Maggie, you should keep in mind that Béria is not a native speaker of
English but of Portuguese. In German of course it would be quite offensive
to call a grown up woman or a group of women Mädchen.
Regards
Ralph
Von: gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi
I am mostly active on other ML and signed on to Gender gap list solely to
respond to Maggie and Sarah. Let me be clear, Rupert thruner and Pete are
both right, you were not nice at all in your previous response and
border-line uncivil, Maggie. And you are not blunt, maybe slightly
misinformed.
Caps and big letters in internet language means you're screaming. I'm not
deaf, and even if I was, I'm - Thanks God - not listening you. So again, as
they say in portuguese: A porta da rua é a serventia da casa - use g
translate.
Your offenses, like Maggie, means nothing to me. IF you had a bit
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Maggie rockerre...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, Peter, when a person is offended by something someone else has said
and you don't understand it---it's probably best not to comment on it.
I am offended by something you said, somewhere, please don't comment on it.
Dear Béria,
you seem to answer to me? I did not use caps and big letters. And I honestly
don't want to offend anyone. I only wanted to bring to your attention that
your posts are perceived by some as quite aggressive in tone. It is not
helpful to call someone a liar but refuse to explain where
I love the idea of having articles of gender concern in a one stop shopping
space. Going through the NPOV collection is long, painful and is filled with
lots of advertising articles for tech companies. Blarg
-Sarah
I agree with a gender-specific tag as well. NPOV is (by design)
--- On Sat, 1/10/11, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Sarah, I am not sure what you've been trying to say lately[2].
Rest assured that it made perfect sense to others. ;)
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On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On *Sat, 1/10/11, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com* wrote:
Sarah, I am not sure what you've been trying to say lately[2].
Rest assured that it made perfect sense to others. ;)
Wonderful, now I can finally sleep in
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 14:25, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On *Sat, 1/10/11, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com* wrote:
Sarah, I am not sure what you've been trying to say lately[2].
Rest assured that it made
On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Theo10011 wrote:
Wonderful, now I can finally sleep in peace knowing that it made sense to you.
Theo..please calm down. Plenty of us read and understand Sarah's posts, plenty
of us read and understand your posts. This is not us vs. them. If you're
feeling worked up
Please see Theo's post in answer to one of yours. And read my mails. I'm not
sexist. Not towards mans, not towards womans as well. I'm NOT a feminist,
true, but I'm not paternalist as well, I believe we all should be equals and
be threaded that way.
You really should read my mail again, I have
No, I shared a post with my opinion in the subject. Kaldari didn't asked me
to explain why Sue is a liar, he asked me - And I quoting - Would you like
to elaborate?
That can be read in many ways. I read as a ask for read my opinion, but you
- apparently - read as a prove that Sue was lying.
@Beria
Oh my god, feminism is all about being equal--it's called egalitarianism.
I've been attacking or ganging up on you because you were rude, sexist,
and said things that made me extremely angry. I don't really care about the
OP's post to be honest--and I didn't agree with all of it. But this
The state I live in in Australia is offering $100,000 worth of grant money
to improve the quality of life for local women. Details are available at
http://www.dhcs.act.gov.au/women/grants_and_scholarships . The money is for
one off programs, with a maximum of $25,000 available.
Should members
Laura - and I'm sorry if you did that already - but is not a good idea send
that to WMAU mailing list?
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*Béria Lima*
Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt
(351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o
*Béria, do you think exploring grants like the one linked to is something
people involved with this list should be doing? *
Yes. I - personally - don't see a problem with that. Their idea is improve
the status of ACT women. I do think is a bit limited for us - since they
mention the
A conversation taking place on this articles talk page about a photo of a
topless woman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Occupy_Wall_Street#Bare-breast_photo
This is interesting to me because it's something happening *right
now*(seriously, four blocks from my apartment people are camping out!)
I've created this group as a women's-only group to discuss things without
being inhibited by a male presence, if anyone is interested in joining. This
group was not created with the goal of competing with Gender Gap, more as a
companion or a friendly place for women to discuss their views. I would
on 10/1/11 7:37 PM, Maggie at rockerre...@gmail.com wrote:
I've created this group as a women's-only group to discuss things without
being inhibited by a male presence,
Maggie,
...inhibited by a male presence [?] Isn't this a personal issue that, I
hope, each person would want to address within
Forwarding this along in relation to the original post I made in terms of
ideas and if anyone is interested in working on this or has other ideas. :)
-- Forwarded message --
From: Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com
Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [wmau:members] Grant
Hi Carole - I just added the Wikipedia:Change The Ratio logo to Wikicommons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Change_The_Ratio_Logo.jpg
Amy
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On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:09
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Maggie rockerre...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Second, she referred to women as girls. Which, as far as I know with any
woman, is incredibly insulting and a way of one-upping someone. I'll assume
you are a man because your name is Rupert. I'm sure you know if another
A resurrection of the previous most controversial discussion topic on
this list. Personally I don't have a problem with it if women want a
women-only place to discuss gender gap issues (although there are some
immediate challenges: (1) this is the Internet, and (2) some might
argue that
Hi,
This is my first time contributing to this list. First, I'd like to say that
I don't think it's inappropriate to create an optional women only space. As
Maggie mentioned, she is not interested in replacing this discussion.
Protected spaces for minorities may be useful, especially considering
Marc--the women's group is not about that, that is what Gender Gap is
about. The woman's group is a place for women to discuss things
without the presence of men. It's not a group to sit around and
complain about men or Wikipedia, it's a group for women to talk freely
about these issues. I've also
That's a brilliant logo and great post, Amy.
Sarah
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 21:14, Amy Senger a...@1x57.com wrote:
Hi Carole - I just added the Wikipedia:Change The Ratio logo to Wikicommons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Change_The_Ratio_Logo.jpg
Amy
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co-founder, 1X57
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 21:27, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
... (On the other hand, people on
this list have a habit of using males to refer to men and women to
refer to women. Flip side of the same coin, perhaps?).
Interesting point, Nathan, that I hadn't noticed. But I have noticed
the
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