Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

risker: i'm kinda with you about defining deviancy down it's just that things are so bad can't go lower article subjects are already dismayed by the opaque unfriendly culture they periodically ask for article deletion librarians are advised about the "cultural buzzsaw" having a safe environment

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

I agree that is innocent enough. Both men and women refer to cute asses, and not just on humans! :-) On 2/21/2016 7:58 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: Compare the reaction that Keilana's Op-ed got with the

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Compare the reaction that Keilana's Op-ed got with the reaction that the > Signpost article "Wikipedia's cute ass" got: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-17/Featured_content > >

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

Risker, can we just put that to the test, since at least one Signpost editor is a subscriber to this list, and has spoken up on this topic on-Wiki? Rob, could you give us an indication of whether the commentary about the language in Emily's post (from Risker and others) has impacted your thinking

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

Compare the reaction that Keilana's Op-ed got with the reaction that the Signpost article "Wikipedia's cute ass" got: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-12-17/Featured_content Notice any differences? On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Pete Forsyth

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

I think I've made myself clear, Pete. I don't think that anything I say will make a difference, any more than anything I have ever said has changed the sub-optimal behaviour of any editor who thinks it's acceptable professional behaviour to cuss all over the place. I'm just really disappointed

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

Risker, I want to be clear: It's not that I don't see a problem. I'm actually pretty sympathetic to your view; but I think your point has been made very strongly already, and the important audience is the Signpost editorial staff. I am confident they have heard the message, and I don't see how

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

I dunno, Ryan. The last time someone called me a badass, it was very definitely meant as an insult cloaked as a compliment. I would not subject any article subject to such an adjective. RIsker/Anne On 21 February 2016 at 19:12, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

It's here, John: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-08-19/Op-ed Andreas On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:17 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Robert Fernandez > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Feb

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Robert Fernandez wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Risker wrote: >> >> Is it a double standard? If that page hadn't been written by Keilana, >> would it have been published as is? > > > I'm curious what

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Risker wrote: > Unless my vision has completely eroded, I do not see the word "cunt" > anywhere in that article, Ryan. Nobody on this list has ever said that > calling someone a cunt is a good thing. > I was referring to the common defense

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Risker wrote: > Is it a double standard? If that page hadn't been written by Keilana, > would it have been published as is? > I'm curious what you mean by this exactly. Do you mean you think I published it because I know Emily personally

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

On 21 February 2016 at 23:19, Ryan Kaldari wrote: >>"Badass" isn't a compliment. > > And "cunt" is a friendly term of camaraderie in British English. Apparently > I just don't have a good command of the English language. Could you keep the unwelcome locker-room language

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

One reason why I try not to use expletives on wiki is that things can be misinterpreted; I've seen examples of people using a rhetorical example only to find others take it personally. Another is that not everyone gets the difference between a swear word used against a specific person and one

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

I'm not sure that "badass" is a bad thing to call someone nowadays. It has been appropriated by feminists, according to the Atlantic. [1] They describe it as "a term of acclamation and aspiration, both for women and for a culture that is finally giving them their due. It’s a recognition that

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

Unless my vision has completely eroded, I do not see the word "cunt" anywhere in that article, Ryan. Nobody on this list has ever said that calling someone a cunt is a good thing. What I do not understand is why anyone on this list would think that calling someone a "badass" is a good thing.

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

>"Badass" isn't a compliment. And "cunt" is a friendly term of camaraderie in British English. Apparently I just don't have a good command of the English language. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Risker wrote: > I feel very sad that you fellows don't see the problem in

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

The depressing thing to me is that the English Wikipedia community takes all of 10 minutes to work itself into a frenzy about the use of profanity in a positive, non-personal way, but if an editor on Wikipedia calls a female editor a cunt, no one dares to bat an eye. On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:39

Re: [Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

Is it a double standard? If that page hadn't been written by Keilana, would it have been published as is? Perhaps you're right, it *is* a double standard. Just not quite the one some think it would be. Risker/Anne On 21 February 2016 at 08:31, Neotarf wrote: > Op-ed about

[Gendergap] Signpost op-ed (NSFW)

Op-ed about systemic bias and articles created. Interesting double standard about profanity in the comment section. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-02-17/Op-ed ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To