Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
I know Vladimir but let's do things in order, if we move in all ways it will fail. Incubating log4j1 will fail as I epxlained - not even sure incubator would let it be incubated since project is official dead for everybody and can only get security fixes (incubator is to ensure you can build a

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
>I would propose to talk with logging PMC first I did exactly that, and they did not listen. They have no will to keep releasing 1.x versions. At the same time, they do not allow others to release log4j:log4j:1.x versions. I'm waiting for the response by Logging PMC chair Ron once again:

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Romain, Romain>for now the thread is looking for options which are not needed from my window It was the Logging PMC team who suggested I should re-incubate log4j 1.x. Romain>1. where is the patch needed to fix the desired CVE? - must be compatible with current SVN trunk The current SVN trunk

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread JB Onofré
Agree with Romain. Let’s just take concrete actions: I would propose to talk with logging PMC first (they can provide their preferences). It’s really amazing how we can create endless thread for simple/concrete topics ;) Regards JB > Le 22 déc. 2021 à 08:17, Romain Manni-Bucau a écrit : >

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
ok, so let's try to not create an endless thread: 1. where is the patch needed to fix the desired CVE? - must be compatible with current svn trunk 2. please attach it to a ticket (or multiple if there are multiple fixes) like LOG4J2-3219 3. if it does not get applied and PMC is opposed to get it

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Vladimir Sitnikov
Matt>Nobody in the Logging PMC is blocking a release here. Matt, thanks for the reply, however, it is false :( I see you are positive, however, many more replies were quite negative. Ralph Goers says: "We’ve stated several times that we don’t think resurrecting Log4j 1.x permanently is a good

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2021, at 5:13 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > > Le mar. 21 déc. 2021 à 12:33, Enrico Olivelli a > écrit : > >> Vladimir, >> I totally support this proposal. >> >> Which are actually the steps we need to cut a release of log4j 1.x ? >> - establish an

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2021, at 3:33 AM, Enrico Olivelli wrote: > > Vladimir, > I totally support this proposal. > > Which are actually the steps we need to cut a release of log4j 1.x ? > - establish an Apache project ? > - do the fix > - cut a release > > Can this be done

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi, Have you discussed the approach you outlined with the logging PMC? It seems to me the idea of a drop in jar that allows log4j 1 over log4j 2 is an ideal product for that PMC to support. All the best, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2021, at 8:22 PM, 张铎 wrote: > > I'm the one

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Duo Zhang
I'm the one who migrated HBase from log4j to log4j2, and still tries to migrate hadoop but still can not find a suitable upgrading path... For me, I do not prefer we release a new log4j 1.x, it has been EOL for many years, we should encourage people to upgrade to a newer logging framework. FWIW,

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Andrew Purtell
> as for the v1 :: COBOL analogy, that’s not a bad comparison. Basically, users who haven’t bothered to upgrade in 10 years will have to end up paying astronomical costs for consultants who can still work on ancient software effectively to help modify their systems. I have to take some exception

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Matt Sicker
Nobody in the Logging PMC is blocking a release here. What we don’t want is to falsely advertise that v1 is still under development. We already have a huge increase in mailing list, PR, and other traffic ever since Log4Shell, and if we resurrect v1, then it’ll quickly become impossible to keep

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
Le mar. 21 déc. 2021 à 12:33, Enrico Olivelli a écrit : > Vladimir, > I totally support this proposal. > > Which are actually the steps we need to cut a release of log4j 1.x ? > - establish an Apache project ? > 1. Send a patch to apply on http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/log4j/trunk >

Re: Looking for a champion: resurrect log4j 1.x

2021-12-21 Thread Enrico Olivelli
Vladimir, I totally support this proposal. Which are actually the steps we need to cut a release of log4j 1.x ? - establish an Apache project ? - do the fix - cut a release Can this be done inside another Apache Project who "adopts" the log4j sources if the Logging Project doesn't want to do it