On Tuesday 14 November 2006 02:45, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
I'll be happier if you convince me that this is all completely wrong...
How can one convince you that your prophecy of something that has
not happened yet is wrong ? It may be true, and then again, it may
be not true. No one knows. If
Ariel Biener wrote:
Is it at all possible for people on this list to accept the following:
1). We can only speculate at the motivations behind Microsoft+Novell
agreement.
Right. But wild speculation is always fun (and sometimes might even be
fruitful)
2). None of us has a definitive
On 14/11/06, Amit Aronovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The XenSource agreement assures that Xen compliant OS'es (includingpractically any FOSS OS) will run smoothly on MWS hypervisor, but *NOT*that Windows will run on Xen or any other system (why did Xen sign this?
probably knifing VMware is a
El vie, 10-11-2006 a las 22:16 +1100, Amos Shapira escribió:
On 10/11/06, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
El vie, 10-11-2006 a las 11:01 +0200, Oron Peled escribió:
Yes, but copyright law is not the only game in town. The
deal talks
specifically about
On 12/11/06, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To quote from the link you give: entitling customers to support and maintenance for Novell's Suse Linux Enterprise Server. That doesn't sound like Distribution Rights. It looks like MS will be another
sales channel for Novell.Sales channels are
El sáb, 11-11-2006 a las 20:16 +0200, Oron Peled escribió:
Julian Daich said that some 300M$ is too much money for a patent agreement
because suing Linux companies won't get you as much money. He is
just doing the wrong math:
* The growth of the Linux market does a lot more damage to MS.
On Sunday, 12 בNovember 2006 12:10, Amos Shapira wrote:
PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH - the NTFS isn't covered by any patent,
You determinism has nothing to build upon. Some reading will
help put your claims into proper perspective:
Like a submarine, it stays under water, i.e., unpublished, for
On 13/11/06, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday, 12 בNovember 2006 12:10, Amos Shapira wrote: PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH - the NTFS isn't covered by any patent,You determinism has nothing to build upon. Some reading willhelp put your claims into proper perspective:
Like a submarine, it
:
1). We can only speculate at the motivations behind Microsoft+Novell
agreement.
2). None of us has a definitive version of the real reasons, I personally
believe that probably none of the opinions here really hit the marker.
3). Even Novell+Microsoft themselves cannot foretell the outcome
El dom, 12-11-2006 a las 21:02 +0200, Oron Peled escribió:
This is just an example of a company that abused the patent system for years.
It opponents were not RedHat, Suse or some IGLU members, but some pretty
big corporates (Infineon, Hyundai, etc.) and still, it managed to manipulate
them
On Friday, 10 בNovember 2006 12:53, Amos Shapira wrote:
If MS provides patent-protected code to Novell then Novell turns around and
give it away as part of a GPL project then MS should sue Novell for the
patent infringement, not just anyone who takes the code in pure faith and
uses it after
On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 08:16:56PM +0200, Oron Peled wrote:
Again, I'm not claiming that Novel is evil and would contaminate GPL'ed code
on purpose. But we all know the interests of the other party to the deal.
I think it is more likely a capitulation from Microsoft on the Linux
patent
On 12/11/06, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday, 10 בNovember 2006 12:53, Amos Shapira wrote: If MS provides patent-protectedcode to Novell then Novell turns around and give it away as part of a GPL project then MS should sue Novell for the
patent infringement, not just anyone who
On Friday, 10 בNovember 2006 01:44, Amos Shapira wrote:
...
Nay people are just sceptic without being able to pinpoint any specific
evidence
Ok, I'll try to do some pinpointing.
On top of that - I don't buy the Novell is selling out OpenSource claims
(again - I didn't see any supporting
El vie, 10-11-2006 a las 11:01 +0200, Oron Peled escribió:
On Friday, 10 בNovember 2006 01:44, Amos Shapira wrote:
...
Nay people are just sceptic without being able to pinpoint any specific
evidence
Ok, I'll try to do some pinpointing.
On top of that - I don't buy the Novell is
On 10/11/06, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, but copyright law is not the only game in town. The deal talksspecifically about patents -- Now it may be your software but you arenot allowed to use it.What's new here? If the Linux kernel, or any other DFSG/FOSS software infringes on MS
On 10/11/06, Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
El vie, 10-11-2006 a las 11:01 +0200, Oron Peled escribió: Yes, but copyright law is not the only game in town. The deal talks specifically about patents -- Now it may be your software but you are not allowed to use it.
It is more than a patent
I've read a little about this new deal between Novell and Microsoft. I saw
Linux Journal has an article which essentially says everyone should remove
SUSE and use some other distribution.
Does anyone have a clear view of
what the deal actually says or means?
Shlomo
On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 09:53:41AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've read a little about this new deal between Novell and Microsoft. I saw
Linux Journal has an article which essentially says everyone should remove
SUSE and use some other distribution.
Does anyone have a clear view
Hi Shlomo,
There are a lot of companies that demand mixed solutions - Windows
desktops and Linux servers. Many of us on this list are making a living
from this niche already. Microsoft and Novell decided to enter this niche
together for their own separate reasons - Microsoft realizes
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shlomo,
There are a lot of companies that demand mixed solutions - Windows
desktops and Linux servers. Many of us on this list are making a
living from this niche already. Microsoft and Novell decided to enter
this niche together for their own separate reasons
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Microsoft and Novell have announced a collaboration, in which they will
facilitate interoperability and virtualization between SuSE Linux and Windows.
SuSE favors interoperability
On Thursday 09 November 2006 13:14, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shlomo,
There are a lot of companies that demand mixed solutions - Windows
desktops and Linux servers. Many of us on this list are making a living
from this niche already. Microsoft and Novell decided to enter this niche
or purchased businesses go in - but they don't come
out.
If you would be so kind as to please enlighten us how exactly would Microsoft
partnership with Novell threaten the Linux in the servers market (or any
market), I'd be much obliged.
--Ariel
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Ariel Biener
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
they didn't even bother to actually read or watch the material released by Novell or Microsoft about the deal) while all the Yay people I read so far give (or at least attempt to give) a Fiskist[1] explanation of why this deal could be actually good for Linux. Here is another such take: [2].
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