Hi,
What's wrong with RTL support in GTK?
OpenMoko will be shipped with Qt
http://gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/openmoko-software-update/
I applaud OpenMoko decision to do whatever can be done to speed up
production and increase number of units to be sold for non-developers.
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:56AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it
i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ETK
have?
That may be enough. The whole point ofthe company is to SELL their
product. If, in
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What's wrong with RTL support in GTK?
Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support.
Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK?
I don't know. Like I said, the decision process was opaque,
michael shiloh wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Ira Abramov wrote:
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI
with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own
2008/6/3 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What's wrong with RTL support in GTK?
Nothing. Read this thread again. It's ETK that has no BiDi support.
Da et oyevja. What is the _advantage_ of ETK? Besides the fact that it
i the pet project of an openmoko dev, what real advantages does ETK
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
I also asked Michael, and never received an answer, if the unit will
support some sort of DRM, even if only a unique serial number. While in
general I am not a fan of DRM, there are some applications where it has
merit [1] and there is a
In the interest of full disclosure, I should let you all know that I work for
Openmoko. Also, as an Israeli living in the USA I have a strong personal
interest in helping Israeli developers get access to Openmoko as much as I
can.
Doron and I have talked and continue to be in contact and I (and
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If
Openmoko intends to be open in the sense
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If
Openmoko
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language, nor is it the most common. If
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/6/2 michael shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Shachar has had a long conversation on the Openmoko mailing list regarding
the
state (and difficulty) of support for bidirectional languages.
Hebrew is not the only RTL language,
I will ask on the Openmoko list about their current thoughts on Qt
support. Tell me, though, what openmoko products are even available at
the moment? The Neo 1973 seems to be out of production, and the
Freerunner is not yet available.
Dotan Cohen
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Quoting Dotan Cohen, from the post of Mon, 02 Jun:
everyone, then I would expect that support for LTR, RTL, TTB, and
other methods of writing should be a core part of the UI, not tacked
on later.
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we
Chiming in the discussion, my 7 agorot (2 cents) are as follows.
The mindset of the Openmoko developers seems to me to be
anti-accessibility.
It stands to reason that they'll turn down requests to provide for
accessibility to people with disabilities. The devices are probably
inherently
Ira Abramov wrote:
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI
with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own
hacking.
No, it was not. It was ETK is better suited to our needs,
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Ira Abramov wrote:
haven't seen the discussion, but I'd imagine the most sensible reply
from OpenMoko would be we provide a hardware platform and a basic UI
with 3(!) different toolkits. Don't make us pick sides, do your own
hacking.
No, it was
2008/6/1 Doron [Ofek BIZ] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
As I promised to Shachar after the process if someone want to buy the device
- I will help , as far as I can.
In the next few months the Neo Freerunner, a consumer-ready device,
should be brought to market. I would be interested in purchasing the
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote:
MOD (ministry of deface )
Now that is a Freudian slip if there ever was one... :-)
A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, but say your mother.
Shachar
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Hi,
Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote:
Hi Gilad , Shachar ... all
There will be 2 types of tracks ( I hope so) :
1 - for regular costumers
2 - for Linux and Open Source users
For the second type , the price will be without any profit (so
basically I don't think that business people should learn
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
My advice: don't. There's a reason why they call it the FreeRunner and
not the FreeLoader... we keep saying FOSS si about freedom and not
free beer. It's about time we act like it too.
I'm with Gilad on this.
The community at large has more to gain by someone who
Erez D wrote:
If you sell it with a profit, then you need to give support, gurentee,
etc ... and this is a big headache.
please first see how you make a profit before you start. (see that you
get more then you invest, including money, your TIME, etc...)
however if you want just to buy a
Doron [Ofek BIZ] wrote:
MOD (ministry of deface )
Now that is a Freudian slip if there ever was one... :-)
Anyway, I want one two.
Doron, it looks like you already have a first batch of customers for the
first shipment... :-)
Gilad
--
Gilad Ben-Yossef
Chief Coffee Drinker
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
My advice: don't. There's a reason why they call it the FreeRunner and not
the FreeLoader... we keep saying FOSS si about freedom and not free beer.
It's about time we act like it too.
I'm
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Erez D wrote:
If you sell it with a profit, then you need to give support, gurentee, etc
... and this is a big headache.
please first see how you make a profit before you start. (see that you get
more then you
Quoting Gilad Ben-Yossef, from the post of Sun, 01 Jun:
however if you want just to buy a quantity together, just to reduce
cost, or even just to help friends, then i do not see a problem of
having no profit ...
He has to pay for MoC tests out of his pocket, not to mention running
Hi Gilad , Shachar ... all
There will be 2 types of tracks ( I hope so) :
1 - for regular costumers
2 - for Linux and Open Source users
For the second type , the price will be without any profit (so basically
I don't think that business people should learn from me).
:-)
I already
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the revolution :)
--
Dan Aloni
XIV, an IBM (R) company
danaloni (at) il.ibm.com
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the revolution :)
If the device has full Hebrew support, then I am very
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the
2008/5/31 Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Language support is in the UI, not in the Linux kernel. However, I see
that there is a Hebrew translation team, so I will try to contact them
tomorrow and ask how far along the project is. I can
Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother
bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed
approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The device runs Linux, and thus
2008/5/31 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother
bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed
approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it.
At the price of US$369, then add 17% and convert to shekelim:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Language support is in the UI, not in the Linux kernel. However, I see
that there is a Hebrew translation team, so I will try to contact them
tomorrow and ask how
Should is entry #4086 on page 139 of the Book Of Famous Last Words.
M
On May 31, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Lior Kaplan wrote:
The device runs Linux, and thus should have Hebrew support.
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli OpenMoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the revolution :)
--
Dan Aloni
XIV, an IBM (R) company
danaloni (at) il.ibm.com
2008/5/31 Dan Aloni [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The Openmoko software can run on an emulator, so we can potentially test
and/or fix its Hebrew support even before we get the devices.
Excellent, lets get started. I don't think that it's a good idea to
get super-organized as I want this to remain a
Dotan Cohen wrote:
If the device has full Hebrew support, then I am very interested.
The device will NOT have full Hebrew support. The os ships with three
toolkits - QT, GTK and ETK. The first two have full Hebrew support
(i18n), but the core services the device has (i.e. - displaying
Dan Aloni wrote:
Hey there,
Anyone interested in joining an Israeli Openmoko Freerunner group sale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Join the revolution :)
Sorry, I'm going to be doing some serious raining on the parade here.
First rain email:
Dotan Cohen wrote:
2008/5/31 sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Have you checked the prices to pay IRS? From experience, my brother
bought a smart phone and he had to pay meches. Also it needed
approval of misrad hatikshoret. IRS asked quite a lot for it.
At the price of US$369, then add
Hi Shachar,
I may get around to adding Hebrew support, if and when I get my hands on a
device.
Might I mention a preference for Qt? I plan on learning Qt for some
KDE development, and if I can run it on the phone too that would be
great.
why 17%? where does that number come from?
I
Dotan Cohen wrote:
Hi Shachar,
I may get around to adding Hebrew support, if and when I get my hands on a
device.
Might I mention a preference for Qt? I plan on learning Qt for some
KDE development, and if I can run it on the phone too that would be
great.
You can write your own
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:49:33PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Can a group of people do a personal import of more than four units?
Who would I contact about that? This most certainly is not a business.
No, a group of people is not a person. What you can do is to have
the company sell them to a
Best option is to ask someone to bring it in his luggage.
Also, try to ask misrad Hatikshoret if it's approved. They don't
allow every model. I know my brother had to get approval from them,
and only after that he released it from customs. Paid customs as well.
And he only bought 1 smart phone.
He all,
( just landed from pairs, so it will be short )
1. I started the process with MOC (ministry of communication) and MOD
(ministry of deface ) (they also should approve the device)
2. according to the Israeli law and regulations - there is no
possibility to import pack of 10 devices -
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