Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 25/02/2008, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - בעקבות אזכור של מישהו (איני זוכר מי) גיליתי שהתו מקף עליון '־' מוגדר ביוניקוד כתו עם ישור ימין-שמאל. זה פותר המון בעיות של צירופים קשים כגון ה־9 לחודש (נסו לכתוב זאת עם מקף רגיל). הבעיה -- התן הזה חסר בגופנים נפוצים ב־Windows

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-26 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 25/02/2008, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - בעקבות אזכור של מישהו (איני זוכר מי) גיליתי שהתו מקף עליון '־' מוגדר ביוניקוד כתו עם ישור ימין-שמאל. זה פותר המון בעיות של צירופים קשים כגון ה־9 לחודש (נסו לכתוב זאת עם מקף רגיל). הבעיה --

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 25/02/2008, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - בעקבות אזכור של מישהו (איני זוכר מי) גיליתי שהתו מקף עליון '־' מוגדר ביוניקוד כתו עם ישור ימין-שמאל. זה פותר המון בעיות של צירופים קשים

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-26 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 26/02/2008, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 25/02/2008, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - בעקבות אזכור של מישהו (איני זוכר מי) גיליתי שהתו מקף עליון '־' מוגדר ביוניקוד כתו עם ישור

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-26 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 26/02/2008, Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: איך מקלידים את המקף העליון? אני משתמש בKDE, אם זה חשוב. Using the lyx keyboard that comes in KDE, click shift-minus. I use it all the time in any application that supports unicode. Herouth No way with the

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-26 Thread Herouth Maoz
On 26/02/2008, at 19:40, Dotan Cohen wrote: Where is the lyx keyboard? Pressing SHIFT-minus for me gives me underscore. Pressing SHIFT-numpadMinus gives me minus. I looked in Kcontrol for lyx keyboard but do not see it. In the control panel, under keyboard layout which is under the

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, You can't use RTL in plain text mode because of a simple issue: what would tell the text to be in RTL? If's there's no HTML/CSS decleration about RTL, why should the mail be in RTL? I know that kmail for example is smart enough to detect that if a paragraph begins in hebrew text, then it

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Oren Held [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 25 February 2008 06:36, Avraham Rosenberg wrote: I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? I use plain text for my E-mail in Hebrew

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Tomer Cohen
Hi, You can actually use RTL in UTF-8, just place RLE (U+202B) in the start of each Hebrew sentence and PDF (U+202C) at the end (PDF is not a most, since each end of sentence gets it automatically, but I see it as a good practice). Keep in mind that some plain text users might scream at this

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:14:15AM +0200, Oren Held wrote: Hi, I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? איך ההודעה הזו נראית? -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, איך ההודעה הזו נראית? In hebrew, but justified to the left -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:14:20PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, איך ההודעה הזו נראית? In hebrew, but justified to the left So gmail chose the strange hueristics of following the first (strong) character of the message. bidiv showed it OK. Though in this reply the Hebrew paragraph

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Micha
sorry, sent it off list by mistake, for some reason reply to list doesn't work with this list On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:37:18 +0200 Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:29:11 + Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:14:20PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Micha
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:49:26 +0200 Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You can't use RTL in plain text mode because of a simple issue: what would tell the text to be in RTL? If's there's no HTML/CSS decleration about RTL, why should the mail be in RTL? I know that kmail for example

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Dan Kenigsberg
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:14:15AM +0200, Oren Held wrote: Hi, I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? Tzafrir mentioned it off-hand, but I'd like to stress Nadav Har'El's bidiv.

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Omer Zak
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 13:14 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, איך ההודעה הזו נראית? In hebrew, but justified to the left I use Evolution (version 2.6.3, from Debian Etch) to read my E-mail, and in Evolution, the Hebrew line is right-justified, with RTL direction (the question mark is to

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Avraham Rosenberg
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:59:11AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:14:15AM +0200, Oren Held wrote: Hi, I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? איך

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Oron Peled
On Monday, 25 בFebruary 2008, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 01:14:20PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, איך ההודעה הזו נראית? כפי שהיא צריכה להיות, מימין לשמאל וצמודה לימין. אני משתמש ב־kmail גרסה 3.5.8 ב-Fedora. In applications that use correct bidi algorithm the RTL is a

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-25 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 25/02/2008, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: כפי שהיא צריכה להיות, מימין לשמאל וצמודה לימין. אני משתמש ב־kmail גרסה 3.5.8 ב-Fedora. In applications that use correct bidi algorithm the RTL is a given. However the unicode bidi alrgorithm does not specify (AFAIR) the *initial*

RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-24 Thread Oren Held
Hi, I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? Thanks - Oren = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-24 Thread Avraham Rosenberg
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 02:14:15AM +0200, Oren Held wrote: Hi, I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? Thanks - Oren Hi Oren, I use plain text for my E-mail in Hebrew

Re: RTL in plaintext mails

2008-02-24 Thread Oren Held
On Monday 25 February 2008 06:36, Avraham Rosenberg wrote: I feel dumb.. Am I missing something, or is it just impossible to send Right-To-Left mails in plaintext? Must I use HTML mails when I write in Hebrew? I use plain text for my E-mail in Hebrew (Mailer mutt, editor vi). My only real