[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[Josh C]

Yep, the racer is a nice basket and the one I choose for my bikes these 
days. All of my bags work with it, as do all of my basket nets, and not as 
bulky when not being used. I rarely use a basket these days without a 
basket bag; there are so many nice offerings. 

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 6:28:19 PM UTC-4 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I have the half size Wald 137 and love it! I always have a Swift Sugarloaf 
> in it with a net over the top. Has been great on several bikes!
>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/wald-halfa-basket-baskets
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:
>
>> These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>>
>> Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
>>> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
>>> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>>>
>>> Brian F
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco 
 basket that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of 
 unaesthetic.  Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or 
 anything else that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six 
 pack?

 smm

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bosco and JJJ Bars

[Paul Donald]

I have a set of the VO Granola Bars and a set of the chromo Bosco's at 52 
width. Both in silver. 

Was thinking about keeping the Bosco's for a Riv that I'm in glacial-paced 
negotiations about but i think I might prefer something with a lot less 
rise. Message me if you'd like and we can talk price.

I'm in LA so that might make shipping a little affordable.

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 12:32:57 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Still looking :)
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 9:44:06 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Heyo,
>>
>> Looking to do a little cockpit refinement before touring season kicks off 
>> and was hoping to get my hands on some well-loved (but not abused) 
>> handlebars to help me achieve that without breaking the bank. Specifically 
>> I am looking for:
>>
>>1. 52 cm heat treated Bosco bars
>>2. Sycip JJJ or VO Granola bars, either in silver would be ideal
>>
>> If you've got some gathering dust, let me know and lets chat :)
>>
>> Happy Belated Equinox!
>> Collin in Berkeley
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Chris Halasz]

How I know a saddle fits, triangulated: 

i. First off, the most comfortable saddle for hours-long rides is not 
*necessarily* (in fact, rarely) plush and comfortable as soon as I sit on 
it. My favorite saddles (B68 for upright, B17 Champion Special for when 
less than upright) feel just OK when I get on the bike, and my sitbones are 
in the 13cm range, and I weigh around 165lbs. Raced bikes in the 70s and 
80s; now I stop and smell the flowers. 

ii. Because it fells just OK, I'm led to think "should I be trying out that 
other saddle someone else recommended"? Then I remember I've tried just 
about every major brand out there in the past several decades, and then, 
after an hour or so, I completely forget about the saddle. 

iii. After the ride - shortly thereafter, and the next day following a 
several-hours long ride: no latent issues - no discomfort, chafing, 
whatever. Just nirvana of the nether region. 

I always give a new saddle at *least* a few weeks of riding before 
judgment. Say, a minimum dozen good rides. I keep an Allen key magnetically 
attached to the frame for quick and easy tip/tilt adjustments while on a 
ride, and experiment with extremes! My B68 tilt looks pretty much like the 
photo on the RBW site for the same saddle, maybe angled just a bit more. 

Agree with all that an objective bike fit peer review is not a bad idea. 
Hope you can find someone who understands bike fit from a not necessarily 
racy bike shop, unless it's racy you want! 

Cheers 

Chris 

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 4:45:12 PM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> On my most comfortable saddle, I generally start noticing irritation of 
> the skin over my sit bones after about 5 hours. Obviously, that's only an 
> issue on long rides. This is a well-broken-in Brooks, but it was fairly 
> comfortable since new (I worked some flex into the sit bone areas by 
> massaging it with mink oil.) I am not expecting to ever have a saddle that 
> is painless no matter how long I ride, and I generally don't wear padded 
> shorts.
> -Wes
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 1:00:24 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
>> saddle that won't hurt. 
>>
>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>>
>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly 
>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I 
>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it 
>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot 
>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you 
>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable? 
>>
>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for 
>> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Wesley]

On my most comfortable saddle, I generally start noticing irritation of the 
skin over my sit bones after about 5 hours. Obviously, that's only an issue 
on long rides. This is a well-broken-in Brooks, but it was fairly 
comfortable since new (I worked some flex into the sit bone areas by 
massaging it with mink oil.) I am not expecting to ever have a saddle that 
is painless no matter how long I ride, and I generally don't wear padded 
shorts.
-Wes

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 1:00:24 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:

> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
> saddle that won't hurt. 
>
> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>
> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly comfortable 
> long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I figured I'd ask 
> the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it "disappear"? Was it 
> love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot before finding the 
> ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you ride before it 
> becomes uncomfortable? 
>
> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for 
> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Acorn Trunk Bag

[Matthew Williams]

I’m looking for an Acorn Trunk bag, in black.

Anyone holding?

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[RBW] WTB: dynamo hub or 26" dynamo wheel

[Neale S.]

Working on a project, and hoping to find a not-too-precious dynamo hub: rim 
brake, 32 or 36 hole. Or potentially, a 26" wheel with dynamo hub if you 
have one lying around. 

- Neale

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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[Ryan Frahm]

I have the half size Wald 137 and love it! I always have a Swift Sugarloaf 
in it with a net over the top. Has been great on several bikes!

https://analogcycles.com/products/wald-halfa-basket-baskets
On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:19:25 AM UTC-7 John Johnson wrote:

> These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>
> Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
>> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
>> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>>
>> Brian F
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco 
>>> basket that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of 
>>> unaesthetic.  Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or 
>>> anything else that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six 
>>> pack?
>>>
>>> smm
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] I have questions

[Chris Halasz]

Leah

I posted a separate thread announcing the arrival of the new (at least to 
me!) and updated versions of the ubiquitous Gravelkings 
. 

More choices - but some look nice! 

Cheers, 

Chris 

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 8:01:40 AM UTC-7 anthony@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh, man. Those wheels are gonna look ACE!!
>
> I'll chime in anecdotally that the difference between 42-48 isn't super 
> noticeable as long as you get your PSI where it feels comfy for you. Have 
> an amazing time on that 2-day ride.
>
> As for front rack security, I don't use a strap, but I also check bolt 
> tension fairly regularly. The straps are ugly, but are great for peace of 
> mind if you don't check your bolts always before getting out on a ride.
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 J wrote:
>
>> You don't say which Gravel King model you are using, but I see in your 
>> Philly post that you have Ultradynamico Cava tires on your bike. So maybe 
>> you run the file tread GK? Anyhow, I rode through 2 sets of 700x42 Gravel 
>> King SK on my old Sam Hillbourne before moving up to 700x50 which just 
>> barely fit. I thought I'd notice a big difference but it turned out not to 
>> be true, as long as I kept the air pressure up. I only have 650b bikes now, 
>> and don't ride Gravel King SK after discovering the Rene Herse file tread 
>> much smoother and faster "feeling". I've switched back and forth from 42 
>> and 48mm RH file treads as well as 42 Gran Bois and have settled on 48mm RH 
>> (Switchback Hill) which measures quite a bit over 48mm on my wheels. The 
>> 42mm tires gave the perception that I was faster but the strava data did 
>> not corroborate, and the 48mm have so much lovely float over gravel 
>> compared to anything narrower or with tooth, I figured why bother? YMMV but 
>> I think 48s won't be an issue. If my words sway you at all towards RH, just 
>> keep in mind that they are not great in wet conditions with steep descents 
>> combined with rim brakes. I learned this twice this fall, and kept RH 
>> knobbies on until a few days ago. 
>>
>> mysterious J
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:42:19 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The 60 mm Schwalbe Big Ones that used to be on my dirt road Matthews 
>>> were among the very fastest-rolling tires I've used, including various 
>>> "racing" tires and 2 extralight RH models. I'd say that the right 48 mm 
>>> tire will roll plenty fast. 
>>>
>>> I've not used any Gravel Kings.
>>>
>>> Patrick "it's not my tires that make me slow" Moore
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:10 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 ... Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace? I have 42 on all my 
 other bikes. Would 48s be slow? The ride is a 2 day event, 100 miles 
 total. 
 I’d like to keep the tires if I could, because they’re new and they are 
 fat 
 enough to also double as gravel tires, should I decide to do a gravel ride 
 again. But I do more road rides than anything else, and if those 48s will 
 cripple me, I’ll go back to 42s. What’s the consensus?

>>>

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[RBW] New Gravelkings for 2024

[Chris Halasz]

Hadn't seen anything about this earlier: looks as if there's updates to the 
Gravelking 
lineup for 2024 
. 

The EX and the SK look different for 2024, and there's (new to me, anyway) 
an X1 variant - a little more of a straight knobby version. 

What's also new, at least to me, is a 50mm SK in that updated tread. Hoping 
to see those available from Riv. 

Cheers, 

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[藍俊彪]

Looks like that bike was already sold.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 9:32 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Here is one on C-list albeit with a double chainring. It looks pristine:
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 12:15:29 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My wife enjoyed riding the Roadini so much that when my son (for whom it
>> was built) took it over she asked for her own. Since Rivendell no longer
>> has them I'm now in the market for a Roadini 50cm. Frame only unless you've
>> got it built up with 1x. (My wife never used the front derailleur on her
>> Cheviot so there's no point having more than 1 chainring)
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Re: [RBW] WTB: chainring guard for 38 tooth chainring

[Roberta]

Thanks, Patrick. 

Bashguard comes in some great colors and are quite inexpensive. After I 
wrote the original post, I went to RiV site and they had just gotten them 
back in stock. So, even though the webpage said out of stock, it allowed me 
to order the one I wanted.

Roberta



On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:43:09 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Roberta: If you can't find a Rivendell guard you might consider BBG 
> Bashguard: many designs, most bcds, most look good and are inexpensive.
>
> https://bbgbashguard.com
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:40 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> I’m looking for the Riv one 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-chainring-guard?variant=31122825019503
>>  
>> or the New Albion  one or something similar. The Rivendell one is my 
>> preference. Both are sold out. 
>>
>> I'm attaching pics of blue Homer with the Riv one, mermaid Platypus with 
>> the New Albion one, and Betty Foy in need of one. 
>>
>> Shipping to Philadelphia 19106. Please PM me off list. 
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[John Johnson]

These are nicehttps://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/

Otherwise any old front rack + a wald 137 ftw.

John

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 5:13:38 PM UTC+1 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
> basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
> both the 137 and (i think) the 139.
>
> Brian F
>
> On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco basket 
>> that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of unaesthetic.  
>> Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or anything else 
>> that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six pack?
>>
>> smm
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[Doug H.]

Here is one on C-list albeit with a double chainring. It looks 
pristine: 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.html
Doug

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 12:15:29 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> My wife enjoyed riding the Roadini so much that when my son (for whom it 
> was built) took it over she asked for her own. Since Rivendell no longer 
> has them I'm now in the market for a Roadini 50cm. Frame only unless you've 
> got it built up with 1x. (My wife never used the front derailleur on her 
> Cheviot so there's no point having more than 1 chainring)

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[RBW] WTB 50cm Roadini

[Piaw Na]

My wife enjoyed riding the Roadini so much that when my son (for whom it 
was built) took it over she asked for her own. Since Rivendell no longer 
has them I'm now in the market for a Roadini 50cm. Frame only unless you've 
got it built up with 1x. (My wife never used the front derailleur on her 
Cheviot so there's no point having more than 1 chainring)

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[RBW] Re: Front basket for a Clem?

[Brian Forsee]

The classic answer here is the Wald 137. It's shallower than the bosco 
basket and looks great IMO. Crust bikes also sells a half-depth version of 
both the 137 and (i think) the 139.

Brian F

On Tuesday, March 26, 2024 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-5 smer...@gmail.com wrote:

> What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco basket 
> that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of unaesthetic.  
> Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or anything else 
> that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six pack?
>
> smm
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: anyone else tried Ritchey Beacon Bars?

[藍俊彪]

If you look at the picture of the Roadini I posted, I have microshift
bar-end shifters installed.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 7:58 AM Steven Venizelos  wrote:

> does anyone know if the Rickey Beacon Bars work with bar end shifters?
>
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I built up my son's Roadini with Ritchey Beacon Comp bars (
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/Hdny6ViFROaPcQIM_FkEbg.aW9haXdpnlfOy4Dg9_oNzx),
>> and I've had a few people test ride it. What impressed me about the bar was
>> that despite purposefully not mentioning anything about the handlebars,
>> everyone who's used the bike defaults to using the drops automatically.
>> It's a great position, hybrid between regular drops and straight bars, and
>> just to show how nice a bike the Roadini is, my wife used it on her commute
>> a few days and now wants her own Roadini!
>>
>> Like all Grant Petersen bikes, it's the kind of bike where the more you
>> ride it the more you like it. I've noticed that about his designs since the
>> Bridgestone RB-1. I still feel that the bike could use a lower BB
>> (especially when shod with 38mm tires), but riding with 28mm tires makes
>> the bike feel so agile.
>>
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[RBW] FS: COHO/Charles Lathe Lugged Steel Bike (Western North Carolina)

[Kris Kjellquist]

Going to part with my lugged steel randonneuring/light touring bike built 
for me by Charles Lathe under his COHO brand.

58 cm top tube.  I'm 5'11" and it fits me perfectly and very similar to the 
Rivs I've owned.  

Ultegra/Open Pro wheels, King 1" threaded hs, SRAM Rival components, with 
Velo Orange crankset. Long reach brakes.

Big negative is the powder coat job was poor and there's some decent rust 
around lug edges and under the top tube.  Would be an easy project to have 
it stripped and re-finished.  

I don't ride anymore and just want to pass it along.  Shoot me an email for 
pics and make an offer!  No shipping just a long shot someone in WNC or 
E Tenn might be interested.

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Re: [RBW] I have questions

[Anthony Holden]

Oh, man. Those wheels are gonna look ACE!!

I'll chime in anecdotally that the difference between 42-48 isn't super 
noticeable as long as you get your PSI where it feels comfy for you. Have 
an amazing time on that 2-day ride.

As for front rack security, I don't use a strap, but I also check bolt 
tension fairly regularly. The straps are ugly, but are great for peace of 
mind if you don't check your bolts always before getting out on a ride.

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7 J wrote:

> You don't say which Gravel King model you are using, but I see in your 
> Philly post that you have Ultradynamico Cava tires on your bike. So maybe 
> you run the file tread GK? Anyhow, I rode through 2 sets of 700x42 Gravel 
> King SK on my old Sam Hillbourne before moving up to 700x50 which just 
> barely fit. I thought I'd notice a big difference but it turned out not to 
> be true, as long as I kept the air pressure up. I only have 650b bikes now, 
> and don't ride Gravel King SK after discovering the Rene Herse file tread 
> much smoother and faster "feeling". I've switched back and forth from 42 
> and 48mm RH file treads as well as 42 Gran Bois and have settled on 48mm RH 
> (Switchback Hill) which measures quite a bit over 48mm on my wheels. The 
> 42mm tires gave the perception that I was faster but the strava data did 
> not corroborate, and the 48mm have so much lovely float over gravel 
> compared to anything narrower or with tooth, I figured why bother? YMMV but 
> I think 48s won't be an issue. If my words sway you at all towards RH, just 
> keep in mind that they are not great in wet conditions with steep descents 
> combined with rim brakes. I learned this twice this fall, and kept RH 
> knobbies on until a few days ago. 
>
> mysterious J
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:42:19 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The 60 mm Schwalbe Big Ones that used to be on my dirt road Matthews were 
>> among the very fastest-rolling tires I've used, including various "racing" 
>> tires and 2 extralight RH models. I'd say that the right 48 mm tire will 
>> roll plenty fast. 
>>
>> I've not used any Gravel Kings.
>>
>> Patrick "it's not my tires that make me slow" Moore
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:10 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Can 48 mm tires do a 15-17 mph road ride pace? I have 42 on all my 
>>> other bikes. Would 48s be slow? The ride is a 2 day event, 100 miles total. 
>>> I’d like to keep the tires if I could, because they’re new and they are fat 
>>> enough to also double as gravel tires, should I decide to do a gravel ride 
>>> again. But I do more road rides than anything else, and if those 48s will 
>>> cripple me, I’ll go back to 42s. What’s the consensus?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Anthony Holden]

Pain is an obvious sign that something is wrong. And I think that's one 
reason why it's easy to tell when a saddle ISN'T a fit. But what feels 
right can be so subjective.

Obviously Riv and Grant are big proponents of Brooks. I've had several 
Brooks saddles, and not every one feels the same. I've had B17s that were 
stiff as a board despite many years and miles of riding, and then more 
recently the B68 that I got with my Appaloosa that felt broken in from the 
first ride. With saddles, like anything else on a bike, YMMV. Despite the 
variety of experiences I've had with Brooks saddles, I've felt they were 
all comfortable in their own way. The key for me has been finding the 
positioning that works for a particular saddle on a particular bike. Moving 
it little by little to find the sweet spot. If I feel myself sliding up the 
nose as I pedal, I consider tilting the nose upward a little. If my knees 
feel out of plumb with my cranks, I shift it forward or aft a hair to find 
a position that works better. It's kind of like dialing in tire pressure. 
Just keep fiddling with it until you find what works for you and the kind 
of riding you do.

Any kind of pain, especially lingering pain (like ongoing numbness 
post-ride or a persistent nerve twinge, for example) is an indication that 
the saddle or its positioning isn't working for you. Normal pain that's 
derived from effort, howeve, is to be expected with any saddle. Riding a 
bike is never a pain-free activity in that sense. Using your muscles, 
putting pressure on your wrists, feet, and sit bones is going to cause some 
discomfort. One thing that helped me a ton is realizing that no bike rider 
(pro, enthusiast, or regular fella like me) is ever riding for any 
significant distance without changing up their posture. Moving around on 
the bike is normal. Shifting weight, pedaling while standing, moving hand 
positions--all these things can affect how a saddle feels for me. 
Especially, like you say, when the distance is over 20 miles or more. Butt 
toughness also tends to build up for me over the season. I'm always a 
little sore after not riding for a while. If I've been riding a lot lately, 
I can do more miles without a sore tush.

Don't know if any of that helps at all, but hopefully it gives you 
something to think about. I'm curious about others' experiences.

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 1:28:42 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Oh boy. There are so many variables that go into good saddle fit and 
> comfort that I'm not sure where to begin.  One has to do with the type of 
> shorts (or other garbs) which you wear to ride.  Many on this blog have 
> talked about the thinner the padding in their shorts the more comfy the 
> ride.  Then again, there is the matter of riding position.  If you are 
> riding in a more upright position on a bike with bars that reach way back 
> you will likely put more pressure and possibly friction on your groin area 
> causing discomfort.  There are those who seem to like riding that way - 
> kinda like a rolling leg press machine, putting lots and lots of pressure 
> on the pedals with every stroke in a very high gear, maybe that's how they 
> get by with it - but that's not normative with everyone.  And, of course, 
> there's always the usually undiscussed issue of just how sensitive those 
> lower bones (ischial tuberosity tissues}, and other skin and muscle 
> tissues play a part. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 3:00:24 PM UTC-5 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
>> saddle that won't hurt. 
>>
>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>>
>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly 
>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I 
>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it 
>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot 
>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you 
>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable? 
>>
>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for 
>> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Noah Hirschl]

Here is my experience, entirely anecdata.

I used to ride lots a decade ago, and remember a fair amount of discomfort 
with saddles on long days. I really only got back into long distance riding 
in the past couple of years, but have not experienced discomfort much 
anymore, except sometimes when adapting after not riding for a while. 

In the interim, I started lifting weights casually, including moderately 
heavy squats, and have added a bit of muscle mass to my booty that way. I 
have often wondered if having more muscle mass back there helps. I find 
myself often repositioning over the course of a long ride, moving where I'm 
sitting slightly and flexing/moving my butt muscles to find comfort. So 
perhaps in addition to a bike fit,  you could try that, if that's not 
something you've tried before (potential side effect: all the wonderful 
health benefits of consistently doing weighted squats!).

Noah
Brookline, VT

On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I will second Patrick Moore's recommendation to consult with a fitter. 
>  Dozens of saddles over 15 years and never being able to do a 20-mile ride 
> pain-free?  That's indicative of something else going on, IMO.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:18:09 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry to hear that, but I am confident that you can find a solution. 
>> IME, saddle comfort depends as much on saddle setup -- height, setback, 
>> tilt -- and on body position when your ride -- thus bar shape and position 
>> -- as it does on saddle shape.
>>
>> My own test is, "did I think about the saddle during my ride?" If I don't 
>> think about it on a ride of typical length, then I judge the saddle a 
>> success. Of course, what "disappears" for 20 or 30 miles may come back with 
>> a vengeance after 50 or 100 miles, so one has to take into account all of 
>> one's riding.
>>
>> Perhaps you might consider getting a professional bike fit? Really, if I 
>> were in your situation, I'd consider this money well spent.
>>
>> Good luck, and let us know what happens.
>>
>> Patrick "Original Flites and only original Flites" Moore
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 2:00 PM Emily Guise  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
>>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
>>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
>>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
>>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
>>> saddle that won't hurt. 
>>>
>>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
>>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
>>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
>>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
>>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>>>
>>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly 
>>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I 
>>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it 
>>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot 
>>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you 
>>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable? 
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look 
>>> for in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Front basket for a Clem?

[Stephen Merelman]

What works well and will not break the bank? I see that Wald Bosco basket 
that Riv sells, which I'm sure is functional, but sort of unaesthetic.  
Does anyone have any experience with the Pelago Rasket? Or anything else 
that will sit relatively low and hold a backpack or a six pack?

smm

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[RBW] Re: anyone else tried Ritchey Beacon Bars?

[Anthony Holden]

Dave!! They look amazing on that Jones. I have an SWB that I've wanted to 
put drop bars on... these might be a candidate. Where do you mount your 
shifter?

On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 12:39:14 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> Great that the Roadini is working out so well for your son (and wife)!
>
> I have the wider XL version (52cm at the hoods, 67cm at the ends) on my 
> drop bar Jones 29er, which is setup with the drops as the primary position 
> (my bars are set just a bit lower than your son's). Despite the amount of 
> flare I find they are comfortable on the hoods also.
>
> My more roadish gravel bike has a 46cm Salsa Cowchipper.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I built up my son's Roadini with Ritchey Beacon Comp bars (
>> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/Hdny6ViFROaPcQIM_FkEbg.aW9haXdpnlfOy4Dg9_oNzx),
>>  
>> and I've had a few people test ride it. What impressed me about the bar was 
>> that despite purposefully not mentioning anything about the handlebars, 
>> everyone who's used the bike defaults to using the drops automatically. 
>> It's a great position, hybrid between regular drops and straight bars, and 
>> just to show how nice a bike the Roadini is, my wife used it on her commute 
>> a few days and now wants her own Roadini!
>>
>> Like all Grant Petersen bikes, it's the kind of bike where the more you 
>> ride it the more you like it. I've noticed that about his designs since the 
>> Bridgestone RB-1. I still feel that the bike could use a lower BB 
>> (especially when shod with 38mm tires), but riding with 28mm tires makes 
>> the bike feel so agile.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Johnny Alien]

Thats a solid deal but sadly for me looks like its a 51 which would be way 
too small.

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 4:44:07 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Not mine and no affiliation, just a shame for me it's not a 56 or 58cm.
> Rivendell Atlantis 2, serial #2 - $1,000 (Santa Cruz)
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-serial/7730132678.html
> [image: 00Q0Q_bDQSLzWSDsP_0CI0pN_1200x900.jpg]
>
> On Friday 22 March 2024 at 09:35:54 UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>
>> PSA: beautiful green 58cm Rambouillet in the FB riv buy/sell group.
>>
>> No connections to the seller and they don't seem to know their asking 
>> price yet, but if you've been looking for one, this one looks great!
>>
>> [image: ram.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood wrote:
>>
>>> Btw, the Reston (VA) Homer is now down to $2,500.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/reston-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7726857824.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 7:40:06 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That Reston Homer is nicely appointed and a good deal for someone right 
 for a 47cm!

 On Thursday, March 21, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Your patience continues to earn you money.  Now the price is down to 
> $6000.  Wait until September and you'll get paid to take it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I love a bargain 
>>
>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:40:48 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> It's on special offer now to those of us who are watching it.  Now 
>>> avaiable for the low low price of $6250.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-7 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
 Yikes!  I would love to add a Heron Touring to go with my Road, but 
 this Ebay listing is kind of a silly way to solicit real offers.

 On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 12:26:30 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore 
 wrote:

> Obviously the Chris King Headset Composite Index has gone through 
> the roof.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:37 PM Josh C  
> wrote:
>
>> wow
>>
>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 3:33:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> $7000  In a word, HA!  At least they are taking offers...  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 12:28:26 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heron Touring 
 55cm
 $7000
 Walled Lake, Michigan
 Rare rare rare parts like Titanium Chris King headset, Nitto 
 racks, and full Campagnolo...

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/176156925449?itmmeta=01HRQFP37XW2ZW9W57MX91XV8H=item2903c55e09:g:1-QAAOSwlT9le1Vr=enc%3AAQAI4A7jbJYmJLb0qhGidg8sdvoie5vcUpIvYrS%2BSMvrLJLvPiSDvKpjMsaHlJTCd1soc%2BS7lyI3DhBCJIMPjYbsw%2Bz2jx3FF1A8HaYOsrSGCGDojnJMNqrJC9m0GJvRkaVV7ejS4wIjNmkGPkl5PLpOEQlbXY8ub8%2FhPJelndP333HN%2B5YXfIBsGZBcK%2BedK1MLmQWY7kHqX4c4AzxDVzG%2B1rJVrllsTotNUBw2pKEhm%2BQDzzEV4sTfCquOQ0jScQhSElZQaXk3KjAGccNhRMGhT54kCgPjyFiebEPpJtvqbTfN%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4C02O_FYw

 On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 5:36:38 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

> Roadini
> 57cm
> 2000
> Emeryville, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html
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[RBW] Re: anyone else tried Ritchey Beacon Bars?

[Steven Venizelos]

does anyone know if the Rickey Beacon Bars work with bar end shifters?


On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I built up my son's Roadini with Ritchey Beacon Comp bars (
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/Hdny6ViFROaPcQIM_FkEbg.aW9haXdpnlfOy4Dg9_oNzx),
>  
> and I've had a few people test ride it. What impressed me about the bar was 
> that despite purposefully not mentioning anything about the handlebars, 
> everyone who's used the bike defaults to using the drops automatically. 
> It's a great position, hybrid between regular drops and straight bars, and 
> just to show how nice a bike the Roadini is, my wife used it on her commute 
> a few days and now wants her own Roadini!
>
> Like all Grant Petersen bikes, it's the kind of bike where the more you 
> ride it the more you like it. I've noticed that about his designs since the 
> Bridgestone RB-1. I still feel that the bike could use a lower BB 
> (especially when shod with 38mm tires), but riding with 28mm tires makes 
> the bike feel so agile.
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: chainring guard for 38 tooth chainring

[Patrick Moore]

Roberta: If you can't find a Rivendell guard you might consider BBG
Bashguard: many designs, most bcds, most look good and are inexpensive.

https://bbgbashguard.com

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:40 AM Roberta  wrote:

> I’m looking for the Riv one
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-chainring-guard?variant=31122825019503
> or the New Albion  one or something similar. The Rivendell one is my
> preference. Both are sold out.
>
> I'm attaching pics of blue Homer with the Riv one, mermaid Platypus with
> the New Albion one, and Betty Foy in need of one.
>
> Shipping to Philadelphia 19106. Please PM me off list.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Roberta
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Re: [RBW] Re: I have questions

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

This is wild. WILD. I really enjoyed reading it, and I was panicking, right 
there with you! You should write them a product review.
L

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 8:41:26 PM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Essentially, this was what Busch & Muller did with the Luxos U, which 
> everyone but me seems to have disliked. It's one of the heaviest LED 
> headlights of the last 15 years, specifically because there's a lithium 
> battery inside the headlight enclosure. The dynamo charges up the battery, 
> and then the battery allows a steady-level filtered power to the USB device 
> and (I believe) both the head and tail lights. The headlight's stand light 
> definitely comes off the internal battery, rather than from a capacitor; 
> when I come into the house with my headlight on and wander away without 
> switching it pff, it will sometimes stay lit for a few hours - which I 
> often only notice when I'm switching off all the ceiling lights as I go to 
> bed.
>
> "Hey! That damn headlight's still on!"
>
> The steady power supply eliminates the risk of damage to USB-chargeable 
> computerish devices, or at least reduces the risk. It's the same as any 
> other USB storage battery, although it's smaller than most external 
> charging bricks.
>
> I got a lot of experience using the charger in February-April 2020, just 
> before and going into the pandemic. The Bay Area had a horrendous windstorm 
> on February 9, with winds approaching 70 MPH near the Bay and 110-120 on 
> the crest of the Berkeley Hills. Among other damage at my house (two large 
> branches torn off a giant incense cedar in my backyard which came crashing 
> down on my neighbor's elaborately maintained garden, just as my neighbor 
> and his wife were looking out the back window to see what the storm was 
> doing - resulting in nearly a year of financial drama), the storm made the 
> city-owned street tree in my parking strip sway wildly, finally ripping the 
> power drop cable from PG out of my wall, cutting off all electricity. 
> After PG capped the live line and told me that the location of the break 
> meant that it was my financial responsibility to fix, I restored the 
> connection and then got into a two-month pissing match with PG (every 
> Northern Californian's most hated utility) before they reconnected it after 
> I pulled strings with then-Berkeley City Councilmember Kate Harrison, who 
> called up a midlevel exec at the utility and did a little yelling. My power 
> was restarted before the end of that day.
>
> In the meantime, my life sort of stopped. I was roaming around the city 
> with power strips, charging bricks, and chargers for a laptop and phone 
> trying to collect enough juice each day from libraries and cafes to limp 
> through the night and do it all again the next day. The generator+USB 
> charger on the Luxos U came into play, both to incrementally recharge my 
> phone and to charge charger bricks, which I could then use to recharge 
> other gadgets. The experience taught me a lot of survivalist skills, and it 
> also taught me where there are uncontrolled publicly accessible wall 
> sockets and WiFi (East Bay tidbit: There are tons of open AC outlets on 
> Lower Sproul Plaza at UC Berkeley, presumably for prospective 
> students/parents on campus tours, and the open WiFi network from the ASUC 
> student union is crazy fast. A lot of the Telegraph Avenue street people 
> take advantage of what's essentially a public resource).
>
> To the best of my knowledge, no current USB-charger headlight includes an 
> internal battery. This makes sense; the extra weight of the Luxos U was a 
> factor in breaking two front mounting bolts for MAFAC centerpulls, as I had 
> mounted the headlight at the end of one of those little TA handlebar bag 
> racks that attach to the mounting bolt and the pivot bolts of MAFAC brakes. 
> I believe the extra weight plus the vibration of the rack while moving 
> stressed weak points in the 50-70 year old brake mounting bolt that opened 
> up micro-cracks that wouldn't have expanded much without the stress.
>
> If you're really nervous about the risk of an irregular power supply to 
> recharge sensitive gadgets, then using the charger to recharge a brick is a 
> natural, especially if you're using a front rack and/or front/handlebar 
> bag: Stick the brick in the bag (or strap it to the rack), run an 
> appropriate cable from the charger to the brick, and ride on. Then you can 
> use the brick to charge whatever USB thing you've got once you're off the 
> bike.
>
> Peter "unwilling survivalist" Adler
> Berkeley, California
>
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2024 at 9:08:28 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I’m glad everyone knows all these things and then shares because I’m in 
> need of it. I didn’t know you could damage your phone charging it in dyno. 
> Will this be true even of the German master engineers at Schmidt when their 
> new edelux hits the market? They say it charges 10 

[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Narrow and Selle San Marco Regal saddles

[Julian Westerhout]

Regal saddle has sold, B17 narrow still available. 

On Monday, March 25, 2024 at 7:14:54 AM UTC-5 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> Price drop -- $65 plus shipping for the B17 narrow, $50 for the Regal plus 
> shipping. 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:54:53 AM UTC-5 Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
>> For sale are two very lightly used saddles with original boxes. 
>>
>> The first is a Brook B17 Narrow   $75 plus shipping
>>
>> The second is a Selle San Marco Regal  $60 plus shipping 
>>
>> See photos for condition (both look very good -- minor discoloration of 
>> rivets, and a tint nick on the underside of the Regal are all I can see). 
>>
>> All proceeds will go to my local bike co-op. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
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>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do I know when a saddle fits?

[Roberta]

The Philadelphia Trek store can measure sits bones. Perhaps there is one 
near you to give you some direction?

I prefer a flat top like the B68 to a rounder top B17. I also have wide 
sits bones, so B17 too narrow for me.   I tilt the saddle nose up, so I’m 
sitting on the flat back part of the saddle.  Otherwise I slide to the 
front sitting on the nose part, and that is very irritating.  Where are you 
sitting on the saddle?

Also take notice where the seams of your underwear are when you’re riding 
as sit bones on seams are irritating. 

Roberta
Philadelphia 

On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:

> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C 
> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
> saddle that won't hurt. 
>
> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>
> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly comfortable 
> long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I figured I'd ask 
> the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it "disappear"? Was it 
> love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot before finding the 
> ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you ride before it 
> becomes uncomfortable? 
>
> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look for 
> in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>
>
>

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