[Starlink] APNIC56 last week

2023-09-18 Thread Ulrich Speidel via Starlink
FWIW, I gave a talk about Starlink - insights from a year in - at last week's APNIC56 conference in Kyoto: https://conference.apnic.net/56/program/program/#/day/6/technical-2/ Also well worth looking at is Geoff Huston's excellent piece on the foreseeable demise of TCP in favour of QUIC in

[Starlink] "Starlink, as of now animations & the average of 5.5 V1.5 satellites manufactured PER DAY.

2023-09-18 Thread the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Starlink
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Re: [Starlink] [Sat-int] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks

2023-09-18 Thread David Lang via Starlink
Very much so. If we are talking about integrating Starlink (and similar furture networks) with ground based networks, that's not hard (and is the scenario I was referring to) but when we start talking about mars (and possibly even the moon) the existing networking protocols are going to time

Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks

2023-09-18 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023, Hesham ElBakoury wrote: My understanding is that for integrated NTN and Terrestrial network we may need new or enhanced routing protocols. There are many publications in this area. I don't see how starlink hops have to be treated any differently than terrestrial tunnels

Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks

2023-09-18 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023, Hesham ElBakoury wrote: Given the discussions in this email thread, what IETF should standardize in priority order for the integrated NTN terrestrial networks? I don't see why you need to do any particular standardization to integrate things like starlink into

Re: [Starlink] Main hurdles against the Integration of Satellites and Terrestial Networks

2023-09-18 Thread Hesham ElBakoury via Starlink
Given the discussions in this email thread, what IETF should standardize in priority order for the integrated NTN terrestrial networks? Thanks, Hesham On Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 12:59 PM David Lang via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > it's very clear that there is a computer in

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
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Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink
> If I understand correctly, galene would support p2p media streams? No, Galene only does client-server media. Before I wrote Galene, I experimented with peer-to-peer WebRTC, and it worked beautifully in small groups, but collapsed somewhere around 4 to 5 participants. The problem is not the

Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] retransmit cost over cellular

2023-09-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink
> what apps do you have on the phone and what are they configured to update? > that will make a huge difference. It's not about my phone, it's about that of the author of the blog. > 'idle' probably isn't nearly as passive as you think it is. My personal phone is almost completely idle when I'm

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread David Lang via Starlink
I work remotely and routinely use Starlink for video calls while doing other uploads/downloads. As do several others at my company. Some of us are in rural areas, I'm in Southern California, but in a place that doesn't have fiber available (predicted to arrive at my address sometime next year)

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
The problem with Galene and in general, with almost everything open-source based per se, is its ANTI user GUI, setup process, documentation… Unnecessary barriers to entry for regular people we want to help, right? But instead of doing everything in our powers to tear these barriers down, most of

Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] retransmit cost over cellular

2023-09-18 Thread David Lang via Starlink
what apps do you have on the phone and what are they configured to update? that will make a huge difference. 'idle' probably isn't nearly as passive as you think it is. David Lang On Mon, 18 Sep 2023, Juliusz Chroboczek via Bloat wrote: Hi Dave!

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Michael Richardson via Starlink
Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink wrote: > We're currently using receiver-driven congestion control, which is > deprecated in WebRTC. The plan is to switch to sender-driven congestion > control at some point (I'm no big fan, but that's what everyone is > implementing, and we

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink
> Admittedly, I was using galene.org Full credit where credit is due: the congestion controller in the downstream direction lives in the browser, so full credit to the folks behind libwebrtc. As to the upstream direction, we're using our homebrew code, which is not very good. We're currently

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 6:19 AM Livingood, Jason < jason_living...@comcast.com> wrote: > IMO I don’t think you can judge that by using Galene – you need to use the > large market-share platforms. > Only a few years ago, there were no large market share platforms. Given that multiple corps I work

Re: [Starlink] impressed with my starlink today

2023-09-18 Thread Livingood, Jason via Starlink
IMO I don’t think you can judge that by using Galene – you need to use the large market-share platforms. Also, given the density issues facing LEO services, a single sample can’t be taken as particularly representative – you’d need more users across a broader range of density/terrain types. JL

Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] retransmit cost over cellular

2023-09-18 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink
Hi Dave! > https://nickvsnetworking.com/mobile-ipv6-tax/ « This means my Android phone consumes 4.5 MB of cellular data in an hour while sitting on the desk, with 16,889 packets in/out. » So even discounting the headers, the phone receives 70 Commodore C64 worth of data when idle. Every