ok, i promise i will:
1. stop using obscure, hairy acronyms.
2. cease and desist from OT EJB references (oops! there i go, i broke #1.
no more. i promise!).
3. drink at *least* one beer.
:)
i hope you all had a fine weekend!
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:09:58 -0800, Eugene Neymark
Edward Q. Bridges wrote:
location independence means independent of location, that is all.
if you're implementing two interfaces to do (more or less) the exact same
thing, and one is called local and one is called remote that is
absolutely *not*, by any stretch of the imagination, location
Hey guys,
I've been too heads down to contribute here.. but I just caught Ghoot's comment and I
have to agree with him and Juan. There's a lot of hype in the marketplace, our jobs
are to get underneath, understand the tradeoffs and use them intelligently. That's
where elegance and beauty
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Hi,
I am involved in a pretty large project (we have not really started coding
yet). As far as I can tell, we seem to go with Struts + WSAD
location independence means independent of location, that is all.
if you're implementing two interfaces to do (more or less) the exact same
thing, and one is called local and one is called remote that is
absolutely *not*, by any stretch of the imagination, location
independent. _end of
IMNSHO? What the hell is that? Man, the colloquial shortcuts are getting
hairy these days :)
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location independence means independent of
location, that is all.
if you're implementing two interfaces to do
(more or less) the exact same
thing, and one is called local and one is
called remote that is
absolutely
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location independence means independent of location, that is all.
if you're implementing two interfaces to do (more or less
IMNSHO = In My Not So Humble Opinion?
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IMNSHO? What the hell
I thought we had abandoned this thread in favor of Struts related questions
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I'm staying out
But it's Friday now, so SSS is allowed, right?
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I thought we had abandoned this thread
ROTFLMAO!
Mark
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== Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
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... but thanks for your clearification none-the-less =)
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especially on a Friday. :)
Thanks for education
i like EJBs (note that i said like and not love). i think they have
some applicability.
however, a peeve of mine about EJBs and the spec is this claim of location
independence. furthermore, the claim to location independence is eroding:
note that in the 1.1 spec it claims:
The client
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Anyone who cares about this, go here... lots of forums about just this
topic...
http://www.theserverside.com
Now for something completely different... Struts!
Arron.
PS: My bet is that Vic
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Ever tried to do a distributed transaction across multiple database
connections?
Hardly
This has been an interesting discussion on many levels, but there doesnt seem to be
much 'real world' substance there.
We have been developing enterprise software (some utilising EJB, some not) since EJB
were way back at 0.7 (ish) (1997). Systems with 1000's or 10,000's concurrent users.
We
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This has been an interesting discussion on many levels, but there doesnt
seem to be much 'real world' substance there.
We have been developing enterprise software (some utilising EJB, some not)
since EJB were way back at 0.7 (ish) (1997). Systems with 1000's
Yes. If the query is a simple read, you don't need the transactions checks.
:-)
Mark
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Is there anything wrong with the design below?
Is there anything simpler? (Are EJB's
Ah ha - I thought you'd imply that you only do it this way
if you are doing updates! Catch me out some other way!
There's got to be some other catch...
Keith.
PS. No being frivolous on the list tomorrow
- I'm not around to appreciate it!
--- Galbreath, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes.
however, a peeve of mine about EJBs and the spec is this claim of
location
independence. furthermore, the claim to location independence is
eroding:
note that in the 1.1 spec it claims:
The client view of an entity bean is location independent. (8.1)
and in the corresponding
It's all a bunch of tree huggin' hippy wisdom!
Good to hear from people with years of experience in these things, so thanks.
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This has been an interesting discussion on many levels, but there doesnt seem
to be much 'real world' substance there.
We
yes, i guess you're right. it never existed in the first place.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:52:43 +0200, Maris Orbidans wrote:
It's simply because EJB 2.0 has local interfaces (1.1 doesnt) , not that
claim to location independence is eroding.
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Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels
, and community have to offer -- then I'll be
there.
Best regards,
Jim Cakalic
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Importance: High
I hope not many enterprise applications are built using this ignorant
'advice'. IBM argued against EJBs up until
Edward Q. Bridges wrote:
i like EJBs (note that i said like and not love). i think they have
some applicability.
however, a peeve of mine about EJBs and the spec is this claim of location
independence. furthermore, the claim to location independence is eroding:
note that in the 1.1 spec
Thompson, Darryl wrote:
Tomcat is much better at serving
webpages the WLS or Websphere,
Not surprising, as Websphere doesn't serve web pages. It works in tandem
with Apache (or MS IIS, or iPlanet, or...).
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Home page of Jakarta has this
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I'm not sure it is entirely off-topic, Alex. Many people are concerned, and
rightly so, about application of technologies and design patterns
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Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
I agree. Doing EJBs
i believe that if you are using jboss as an app-server, you can shut off
the ejb service and still have security and transaction management (not to
mention, jndi, web application support, mail services, logging services,
etc. etc.).
my .2 added to your .2
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:56:10
Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Transaction: DBs have it; or you can have a Java Bean, that has 2
JavaBeans in it, and all have a commit() method. You use EJB for a
commit()?
Security? :
-Menu based based on a role (using Struts-menu), some items
The point of EJB security and transactions is to abstract those pieces
to make them vendor neutral. If you write them correctly, you'll have
your security/transactions on JBoss, Weblogic, Websphere, whatever.
Sure EJB's have some additional overhead, but that is the price you pay
for
Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
Avoid EJB if you want to stay in Java.
Alternative is to just use
Microsoft when they said their petstore was better than Sun's. It
misses the point and says nothing.
- Robert
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Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
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I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more
, February 20, 2002 12:25 PM
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Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Transaction: DBs have it; or you can have a Java Bean, that has 2
JavaBeans in it, and all have a commit() method. You use EJB
Touché Jim. Touché...
- Robert
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Hmm. And this guy claims to be training other developers using Struts
Depends on the project size.
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I STRONGLY disagree with this statement. We have been doing EJBs for 2 yrs
at my
: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:25 PM
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From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Transaction: DBs have it; or you can have a Java Bean, that has 2
JavaBeans in it, and all have a commit() method
Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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more flame
I just agreed with what was on the home page of Jakarta.
EJB / smejb.
I am not talking about hello world ejbs.
Those are features you list. To many features is sort of like building a
submarine that is also
is fundamentally
bad.
James.
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Depends on the project size.
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Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com
Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===
Let me clarify and then do some paid work back here.
1.I think ejbs are not scalable relative to other Java API.
2. I do not want majority of market to go to MS.net. That is why I wish
that more J2EE projects
: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===
Let me clarify and then do some paid work back here.
1.I think ejbs are not scalable relative to other Java API.
2. I do not want majority of market to go to MS.net. That is why I wish
that more J2EE projects
Users Mailing List
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Ever tried to do a distributed transaction across multiple database
connections?
Hardly ever never needed them. When we did we wished for EJB's.
I'd strongly recommend putting all your data on 1 big
relational database so a
transaction
Boy, you'd think it was Friday!
Cheers!
Mark
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Vic's points are actually becoming quite mainstream, but he gets
Struts Newsgroup (@Basebeans.com) wrote:
Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Transaction: DBs have it; or you can have a Java Bean, that has 2
JavaBeans in it, and all have a commit() method. You use EJB for a
commit()?
This shows a deep understanding
Vic Cekvenich wrote:
Home page of Jakarta has this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0130.2
on this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general%40jakarta.apache.org/msg03376.html
I agree. Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems.
Avoid EJB if you want to stay in Java.
Struts Newsgroup (@Basebeans.com) wrote:
Subject: Re: EJB = bad = MS.net
From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
===
Let me clarify and then do some paid work back here.
1.I think ejbs are not scalable relative to other Java API.
Give us something more than an unsubtantiated opinion. Tell us
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