[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-15 Thread Bill Cammack
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Frank Sinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The revolution, to me, is that the walled gardens of old media no longer exist - they no longer decide what is good and what is garbage (BTW - how many good shows have been on TV over the past few years?!?!?). With

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-14 Thread Frank Sinton
The revolution, to me, is that the walled gardens of old media no longer exist - they no longer decide what is good and what is garbage (BTW - how many good shows have been on TV over the past few years?!?!?). With the Internet, the people deciding what is good and what is garbage are the

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-14 Thread Steve Watkins
I still think you are making some major assumptions about what everyone thinks the revolution is, what mediocre is. For a start, isnt the fact that people can find it worthwhile making stuff even if they only have a tiny audience, a revolution in itself? If your revolution requires that what you

RE: [videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-14 Thread Robert Scoble
Of Frank Sinton Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:37 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur The revolution, to me, is that the walled gardens of old media no longer exist - they no longer decide what is good and what is garbage (BTW - how many

Re: [videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Jay dedman
but what IS surprising is when some of us, who are expecting a revolution from the social media sphere, rally to the defense of this mediocrity. who is doing this? jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Check out the latest project: http://politicalvideo.org 500 hours

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Heath
What's it matter is someone speaks to millions or to just one? If you are able to connect with someone else who shares your passion, then what's it matter? Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Justin Kownacki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Keen may be a

Re: [videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Ron Watson
Heath, Didn't you get the memo? Profit is more important than people. The internet is a tool that delivers profit, and we can't have people expropriating that profit to do something as stupid as 'connect' with another person. Every megabyte that goes towards connecting people is one that

[videoblogging] Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread terry.rendon
I would like to ask: How does Keen think people become professionals? We all start out as amateurs and then, hopefully, produce professional quality content. I think a lot of the people on this list are proof that the Internet has quality professionals. Terry Rendon www.terryannonline.com ---

[videoblogging] Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Steve Watkins
I read some of the excepts from the book but got tired of its one-sidedness quickly. I am rather interested in many of the things Keen highlights, and I think some of his concerns have some validity. But he takes it much too far, and seems to be saying everything from the point of view that our

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Steve Watkins
Im not sure if that view still dominates business and the profitmongers attitude to the web though. I think capitalism is getting used to the slight adjustment in the nature of of how they make money from the consumers. They can easily think of people connecting as just a change in what people

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Steve Watkins
Depends what sort of mediocrity he's talking about. I will rally to the defense of all sorts of videos that some people will think are mediocre. And I will look at some videos and hate them. I will look at some videos and despair of humanity, I will look at others and find hope. I will not find

[videoblogging] Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Steve Watkins
Well there was more than one issue that got all wrapped up in that Wikipedia argument, unfortunately it rather muddied the waters when it came to having a clean debate about the issue you highlight, which is an important one. I went into rules-stickler mode on that one, casting aside the specific

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Kent Nichols
There is a lot of mediocre stuff out there on the web, but that can't be solved systemically. But there's a ton of crappy TV, so-so books, and passable films. Why should we expect a medium that is largely low-budget and indie be any different than its old skool, well-funded counterparts? If we

Re: [videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-13 Thread Michael Verdi
What's crappy or mediocre to one person is pure gold to another. There's room for it all on the internet. And that is the whole fucking point! You don't have to be good to be on the Internet and nobody can make you watch the stuff you don't want to watch. Some of my favorite videos are the ones

[videoblogging] Re: The Cult of the Amateur - NPR Interview

2007-07-13 Thread Gena
I woke up one Saturday morning and I heard this guy speak. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11131872 I don't do Web 2.0. I make videos. I make a certain type of blog/vlog that is targeted to a certain population. I might use so-called Web 2.0 technology but at the end of the

[videoblogging] +Re: The Cult of the Amateur

2007-07-12 Thread Justin Kownacki
Andrew Keen may be a shrewd opportunist, catering to the fearmongers who live in terror of socialized media destroying their ivory towers, but Schlomo's right when he points out that we on this list still aspire to some kind of meritocracy -- even if we view that meritocracy in completely