I really feel for you, DRH. You tried covering all the bases,
unfortunately, you going to get tagged out at everyone because everybody is
referee and they all follow their own rules.This goes straight to your
first point, "What is professional to some might be unprofessional to
others." This akin to people saying, "What good is religion because I am a
good person." Oh, yah? By whose measure? Their own. And that measure varies
from person to person. You reached to higher higher authority through St
Benedictine. But others don't agree with the authority. So they are going
to insist that it gets thrown out because they don't agree.
Your third point is the heart of the problem, "having a written CoC is
increasingly a business requirement". I read this as, "you felt the
pressure from significant businesses". Being global opens a wasps nest. We
all have to be inclusive, but all groups demand recognition. In plain
English, "You are damned if you do and damned if you don't." In the end,
you cannot win this.
IMO, you're best bet is to fold your hand and keep your chips you have in
front of you. You have made your feelings known. For those who have read
the CoC and share in your community, we will accept CoC changes that
eliminate those elements others are insulted by. That's just who we are.
But we know where they came from.
Lastly, props to Rowan Worth. "> 23. Do not nurse a grudge. ::sigh:: DROP
TABLE grudges; I was amassing such a good collection :(" Totally awesome
comment. I wish there was a like button for that.
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM Richard Hipp <d...@sqlite.org> wrote:
> On 10/22/18, Chris Brody <chris.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Looks like that happened this morning.
> >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530
> >
> > I saw it coming, tried to warn you guys in private.
>
> There is indeed a reactionary hate mob forming on twitter. But most
> of the thoughtful commentators have been supportive, even if they
> disagree with the particulars of our CoC, They total get that we are
> not being exclusive, but rather setting a standard of behavior for
> participation in the SQLite community.
>
> I have tried to make that point clear in the preface to the CoC, that
> we have no intention of enforcing any particular religious system on
> anybody, and that everyone is welcomed to participate in the community
> regardless of ones religious proclivities. The only requirement is
> that while participating in the SQLite community, your behavior not be
> in direct conflict with time-tested and centuries-old Christian
> ethics. Nobody has to adhere to a particular creed. Merely
> demonstrate professional behavior and all is well.
>
> Many detractors appear to have not read the preface, or if they read
> it, they did not understand it. This might be because I have not
> explained it well. The preface has been revised, months ago, to
> address prior criticism from the twitter crowd. I think the current
> preface is definitely an improvement over what was up at first. But,
> there might be ways of improving it further. Thoughtful suggestions
> are welcomed.
>
> So the question then arises: If strict adherence to the Rule of St.
> Benedict is not required, why even have a CoC?
>
> Several reasons: First, "professional behavior" is ill-defined. What
> is professional to some might be unprofessional to others. The Rule
> attempts to clarify what "professional behavior" means. When I was
> first trying to figure out what CoC to use (under pressure from
> clients) I also considered secular sources, such as Benjamin
> Franklin's 13 virtues (http://www.thirteenvirtues.com/) but ended up
> going with the Instruments of Good Works from St. Benedict's Rule as
> it provide more examples.
>
> Secondly, I view a CoC not so much as a legal code as a statement of
> the values of the core developers. All current committers to SQLite
> approved the CoC before I published it. A single dissent would have
> been sufficient for me to change course. Taking down the current CoC
> would not change our values, it would merely obscure them. Isn't it
> better to be open and honest about who we are?
>
> Thirdly, having a written CoC is increasingly a business requirement.
> (I published the currrent CoC after two separate business requested
> copies of our company CoC. They did not say this was a precondition
> for doing business with them, but there was that implication.) There
> has been an implicit code of conduct for SQLite from the beginning,
> and almost everybody has gotten along with it just fine. Once or
> twice I have had to privately reprove offenders, but those are rare
> exceptions. Publishing the current CoC back in February is merely
> making explicit what has been implicit from the beginning. Nothing
> has really changed. I did not draw attention to the CoC back in
> February because all I really needed then was a hyperlink to send to
> those who were specifically curious.
>
> So then, why not use a more modern CoC? I looked at that too, but
> found the so-called "modern" CoCs to be vapid. They are trendy
> feel-good statements that do not really get to the heart of the matter
> in the way the the ancient Rule does. By way of analogy, I view
> modern CoCs as being like pop music - selling millions of copies today
> and completely forgotten next year. I prefer something more enduring,
> like Mozart.
>
> One final reason for publishing the current CoC is as a preemptive
> move, to prevent some future customer from imposing on us one of those
> modern CoCs that I so dislike.
>
> In summary: The values expressed by the current CoC have been
> unchanged for decades and will not be changing as we move forward. If
> some people are uncomfortable with those values, then I am very sorry
> for them, but that does not change the fact. On the other hand, I am
> open to suggestions on how to express those values in a way that
> modern twitter-ites can better understand, so do not hesitate to speak
> up if you have a plan.
> --
> D. Richard Hipp
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