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From: tristan watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: James Bucknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Postmodern / Futurismo Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Cajmere said: Let Me Be. Well, it's a stretch... np: De La Soul - I am I be, by way of complete and total coincidince, or synchronicity --- James Bucknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sartre said: to do is to be > plato said: to be is to do > marshall jefferson said: do da do > > > > > > Elliot Taub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/11/2000 > 04:15:43 PM > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org> > cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: James > Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) > Subject: [313] Postmodern / Futurismo > > > > > I would say there could be no discussion of music > and philosophy without > mentioning the Futurists; probably the only school > of philosophical thought > that espoused a musical form. The Futurist > Symphonies of cars honking, scraping > steel and construction noise had an obvious impact > on the "Industrial" music > that came 60 years later (and Industrial begat > Detroit Techno: thereby staying > On Topic) > > But speaking of contemporary continental > philosophers, I'd say Markus Pop > probably does a more interesting and successful > critique of Deluze's Nomadology > in a musical form than (for instance) DJ Spooky ever > did. I don't think Pop > concerns himself with philosophical baggage in terms > of making his music, > though: I think his approach is more of a > process-oriented one (which in an of > itself is a Deluzean manner of creating things like > "folds") but not one that's > directly referencing any philosophy. > > Whatever. I want to press a button and hear a beat. > > e > > ps: every department has its own focus. The > Architecture program I was a part > of years ago worked within a feminist philosophical > umbrella (though not > everybody in the program subscribed to that > viewpoint). It sounds odd until you > think that a society that could come up with sayings > like "a woman's place is > in the home" must use sexuality as some kind of > determining factor in > architectural forms and identities. > > > Phonopsia wrote: > > > Can anyone think of contemporary artists who use > postmodern thought to good > > effect in their music today? Skinny Puppy did it > well once and you could > > make the argument that Stereolab is messing around > with French philosophy. > > I'm having trouble thinking of many other artists > who do it well, or who > > actually have any of the philosophical background > to understand the concepts > > beneath the surface. It's been my experience that > a lot of people skip > > straight to the recent thought (I tried it and > realized I should probably go > > back and get the background before plungeing in), > and miss a whole lot of > > philosophical/psychological/anthropological > history in the process. I've > > also noticed that at least at the University of > Iowa, the philosophy > > department seems to avoid postmodern continental > thought focusing on > > contemporary Anglo-American philosophy, whereas > most criticism programs skip > > the philosophy and head straight into the newer > stuff. Probably a huge > > factor... > > > > Tristan > > ========================================== > > PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 > > "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger > > > > New Album, "Qu> > ébécois", online now. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lester Kenyatta Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org> > > Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 5:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [313] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke > > > > >On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > > > > > >> I've seen him and he was OK - he did this live > double-bass thing as well, > > >> not a great DJ, but the concept was > interesting. Spooky doesn't see > > himself > > >> as mainstream at all, in fact he gets a lot of > flack for his intellectual > > >> approach from the NY establishment. He sees it > like, why can't an > > >> African-American man be an intellectual, a > conceptualist, I don't want to > > do > > >> what the mainstream deems to be 'Black music' > like gangsta rap or > > whatever. > > >> He is big on contemporary French philosophy > (more influential than you'd > > >> think) and sees himself as intervening in those > discourses. > > > > > >I think this is how he sees himself. But in > discussions with him in > > >another email forum (dedicated to the idea of > "afrofuturism") I've come to > > >the conclusion that he's running the DJ > equivalent of a "Proudhon scam." > > > > > >Proudhon was a French philosopher cum activist > who, when with philosophers > > >would tout his activist credentials, and when > with activists would tout > > >his philosophy credentials. But Karl Marx peeped > that he was actually > > >NEITHER--his thoughts weren't that deep, and he > simply wasn't doing any > > >activist work, just faking it. > > > > > >I suspect that when he's with DJ's what he's > really trying to claim is his > > >reading of Marcuse, or Foucault, or even > Cruse....but when he's with > > >intellectuals, he's trying to claim his status as > a DJ. But when I've > > >tried to talk to him about the intellectual > end...his ideas are shallow at > > >best. He ends up losing in the long run because > in the end his body of > > >work won't be worth noting in either > category....but in the short run he > > >gets PAID. > > > > > >peace > > >lks > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Lester Kenyatta Spence > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Assistant Professor, Political Science > > > Washington University at St. Louis > > > > > > "We illuminate the contradictions and call it > > > the light" > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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