From: tristan watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: James Bucknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [313] Postmodern / Futurismo
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT)
Cajmere said: Let Me Be.
Well, it's a stretch...
np: De La Soul - I am I be, by way of complete and
total coincidince, or synchronicity
--- James Bucknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> sartre said: to do is to be
> plato said: to be is to do
> marshall jefferson said: do da do
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> Elliot Taub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/11/2000
> 04:15:43 PM
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> To: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org>
> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: James
> Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst)
> Subject: [313] Postmodern / Futurismo
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> I would say there could be no discussion of music
> and philosophy without
> mentioning the Futurists; probably the only school
> of philosophical thought
> that espoused a musical form. The Futurist
> Symphonies of cars honking, scraping
> steel and construction noise had an obvious impact
> on the "Industrial" music
> that came 60 years later (and Industrial begat
> Detroit Techno: thereby staying
> On Topic)
>
> But speaking of contemporary continental
> philosophers, I'd say Markus Pop
> probably does a more interesting and successful
> critique of Deluze's Nomadology
> in a musical form than (for instance) DJ Spooky ever
> did. I don't think Pop
> concerns himself with philosophical baggage in terms
> of making his music,
> though: I think his approach is more of a
> process-oriented one (which in an of
> itself is a Deluzean manner of creating things like
> "folds") but not one that's
> directly referencing any philosophy.
>
> Whatever. I want to press a button and hear a beat.
>
> e
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> ps: every department has its own focus. The
> Architecture program I was a part
> of years ago worked within a feminist philosophical
> umbrella (though not
> everybody in the program subscribed to that
> viewpoint). It sounds odd until you
> think that a society that could come up with sayings
> like "a woman's place is
> in the home" must use sexuality as some kind of
> determining factor in
> architectural forms and identities.
>
>
> Phonopsia wrote:
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> > Can anyone think of contemporary artists who use
> postmodern thought to good
> > effect in their music today? Skinny Puppy did it
> well once and you could
> > make the argument that Stereolab is messing around
> with French philosophy.
> > I'm having trouble thinking of many other artists
> who do it well, or who
> > actually have any of the philosophical background
> to understand the concepts
> > beneath the surface. It's been my experience that
> a lot of people skip
> > straight to the recent thought (I tried it and
> realized I should probably go
> > back and get the background before plungeing in),
> and miss a whole lot of
> > philosophical/psychological/anthropological
> history in the process. I've
> > also noticed that at least at the University of
> Iowa, the philosophy
> > department seems to avoid postmodern continental
> thought focusing on
> > contemporary Anglo-American philosophy, whereas
> most criticism programs skip
> > the philosophy and head straight into the newer
> stuff. Probably a huge
> > factor...
> >
> > Tristan
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lester Kenyatta Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: 313 Detroit <313@hyperreal.org>
> > Date: Monday, July 10, 2000 5:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [313] DJ Spooky/Dave Clarke
> >
> > >On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Cyclone Wehner wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've seen him and he was OK - he did this live
> double-bass thing as well,
> > >> not a great DJ, but the concept was
> interesting. Spooky doesn't see
> > himself
> > >> as mainstream at all, in fact he gets a lot of
> flack for his intellectual
> > >> approach from the NY establishment. He sees it
> like, why can't an
> > >> African-American man be an intellectual, a
> conceptualist, I don't want to
> > do
> > >> what the mainstream deems to be 'Black music'
> like gangsta rap or
> > whatever.
> > >> He is big on contemporary French philosophy
> (more influential than you'd
> > >> think) and sees himself as intervening in those
> discourses.
> > >
> > >I think this is how he sees himself. But in
> discussions with him in
> > >another email forum (dedicated to the idea of
> "afrofuturism") I've come to
> > >the conclusion that he's running the DJ
> equivalent of a "Proudhon scam."
> > >
> > >Proudhon was a French philosopher cum activist
> who, when with philosophers
> > >would tout his activist credentials, and when
> with activists would tout
> > >his philosophy credentials. But Karl Marx peeped
> that he was actually
> > >NEITHER--his thoughts weren't that deep, and he
> simply wasn't doing any
> > >activist work, just faking it.
> > >
> > >I suspect that when he's with DJ's what he's
> really trying to claim is his
> > >reading of Marcuse, or Foucault, or even
> Cruse....but when he's with
> > >intellectuals, he's trying to claim his status as
> a DJ. But when I've
> > >tried to talk to him about the intellectual
> end...his ideas are shallow at
> > >best. He ends up losing in the long run because
> in the end his body of
> > >work won't be worth noting in either
> category....but in the short run he
> > >gets PAID.
> > >
> > >peace
> > >lks
> > >
> > >
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> > > Lester Kenyatta Spence
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> > > Assistant Professor, Political Science
> > > Washington University at St. Louis
> > >
> > > "We illuminate the contradictions and call it
> > > the light"
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