>>>>> "cw" == Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
cw> What issue is this? I find that a lot too - and here too cw> among some quarters there is always some new name the techno cw> heads are championing, usually white and British - but you cw> will always find that Black producers like Dave Angel and Carl cw> Cox identify far closer with it, which I think says cw> something. It could be a English thing - the likes of Laurent cw> Garnier and DJ Q are less inclined to see Detroit as something cw> that they have to rebel against or whatever. To toss another spurious dichotomy into the ring, I think at least part of this boils down to where producers / DJs fall on the spectrum between "disco" and "avant-garde". Do you want to move booties or do you want to make people scratch their chins? The artists I've been enjoying the most recently tend to fall squarely in the middle and be very good at splitting the distance between the two. People who want to "make a statement", who want to be part of the avant-garde, generally have something to prove. They're also more inclined to believe that their ideas are uniquely their own (whether that's true or not is an exercise best left to each individual listener). Other artists are more into being part of a community, and they're more likely to see their ideas as growing out of the community that produced them. Considering that all of us drift to both of these poles at different times in our lives, it gets to be very difficult to ascertain motives at any particular time. Read interviews with Derrick May and Jeff Mills (two of the more prickly / cerebral Detroit figures) over the years and it becomes evident that they aren't always consistent about whether they're innovators or part of a cultural continuum. Surgeon's claimed different things at different times as well. >> As I remember a few years ago in interview, Surgeon mention >> something darker and harder detriot music definitely influence >> him anyway I like what all of them are doing, much respect cw> Yeah, I remember that too. It's funny. That's why you've gotta cw> respect the likes of Ho and DJ Hell who give it up to the cw> likes of Mills. I find it next to impossible to talk about techno without the conversation eventually returning to Detroit, and I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to have any sort of wide-ranging expertise in techno who _doesn't_ prominently bring Detroit into the discussion on a frequent basis -- producers moreso than the rest of us. The more I listen to the old Detroit techno (and there's still so much more of it to find!), the more inescapable its influence seems to be. Forrest . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . . ozymandias G desiderata [EMAIL PROTECTED] desperate, deathless (415)558-9064 http://www.aoaioxxysz.com/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ::