I think what some of David is saying has some validity and anecdotal evidence from first-hand accounts and even historical documentation.
I remember having a conversation with Mike at Submerge about this. 'Sometimes the music plays you.' mg On Jun 18, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hippy! > > On 18 Jun 2013, at 16:29, David Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rob, >> >> Laugh all you want, but to me DJing is a HUGE responsibility, it is >> about connecting to a spiritual tradition thousands of years old. >> Music has the power to heal, and create very special states of >> consciousness. It also has the power to create quite negative states >> of consciousness. >> >> If you examine the way traditional musicians in, for example, West >> Africa view music, you would understand what I'm talking about. I have >> a friend who is a drummer, from West Africa. He is a griot and is >> descended from a family of griots. If you don't know, griots are >> musician/story-tellers, and through music they are responsible for >> telling the story of their people, as well as healing and other such >> things. I see the true role of a contemporary DJ as being a modern >> type of griot. They should tell a story through their records, and >> connect to history and a deeper tradition through their selection of >> music. >> >> A DJ has an incredible amount of power over their audience. In my >> opinion, those who don't take such power seriously, have no business >> DJing. They may actually be negatively impacting the well being of >> their audience. I do believe that bad music can literally make people >> sick in a psycho-spiritual sense! >> >> ~dp >> >> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Rob Taylor >> <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I am laughing at the idea of a 'serious dance DJ'. >>> >>> >>> On 18 Jun 2013, at 15:56, David Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If you are a radio DJ, sure, but from the viewpoint of a serious dance >>>> DJ I would definitely would want an edit for these reasons: >>>> >>>> 1. Most important, at minimum you need to loop up something at >>>> beginning and end for mixing into and out of >>>> >>>> 2. Typical pop song structure is too short for the dance floor, it >>>> really makes it's point as quickly as possible and suddenly the song >>>> is over. This doesn't create the type of altered state of >>>> consciousness you want for dancers; to me dancing is very spiritual >>>> and you want music/rhythms that are conducive to attaining a real >>>> trance state, without needing drugs. I am not really a big fan of your >>>> normal pop music formulate, it's very limiting. >>>> >>>> 3. For me personally, the chorus is a bit too epic and cheese, I'd >>>> prefer to somehow tone it down somehow, filter and otherwise dub it >>>> out, and probably would only let it appear once, not multiple times as >>>> in normal pop song structure. The verse works for me, but it so >>>> clearly leads into the chorus that it probably needs to still occur >>>> before the chorus. So, if I was editing it, I would definitely focus >>>> on the intro bit, and the bridge with the keyboard solo; that changes >>>> it from a pop song into a dance track... >>>> >>>> 4. The type of production is really a mismatch in a set of house and >>>> techno records, basically in terms of the drums. Adding a bit of drum >>>> machine really makes it work better on the dance floor. (Remember... >>>> This is EXACTLY what the originators of house were doing with some >>>> disco records!) >>>> >>>> Just one man's opinion, I'm sure others disagree, but as someone who >>>> has released edits, perhaps the above will explain what it is that >>>> drives me to do a bunch of work to alter a song that is already a >>>> "good song"... in a nutshell, the radio pop song form is quite >>>> different from the type of form I prefer as a DJ. There might be >>>> exceptions when I do play a pop song if I figure out a brilliant way >>>> to mix it in, or it's the last song in a set, or for some reason I >>>> want to surprise people, but it's not something I would do often. >>>> >>>> ~dp >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Paul Kendrick <p...@dagmar-tara.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I must say I think Africa is a classic and doesn't need an >>>>> edit/remix/whatever....just play the original... >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Rob Taylor [mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: 17 June 2013 15:45 >>>>> To: David Powers >>>>> Cc: Wibo Lammerts; Daniel Bean; benny blanco®; list 313 >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >>>>> >>>>> Quite, David. >>>>> And if you don't like the song in the first place, you have cloth ears and >>>>> your opinion is worthless! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, David Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I could imagine a Toto "Africa" edit being decent, actually, I would >>>>>> have to hear it and judge for myself. I am not sure why one would >>>>>> assume it's no good without hearing it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Haven't heard that Quentin REM remix, that one does seem like a >>>>>> stretch; even so, in Quentin's defense, most of his output is pretty >>>>>> good and some of his remixes and PURE GOLD (I am not going to tell you >>>>>> which ones though, that would be to easy)... Nobody knows anything >>>>>> about them and they KILL the dancefloor every time. If anybody hasn't >>>>>> done digging through his back catalog, I would highly recommend it!!! >>>>>> Those are some of my ultimate secret weapons. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~David >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Wibo Lammerts <wibo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Seriously? An edit of Toto? Really? That's like a Quentin Harris remix >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> "Losing my religion" by REM. Which exists, and totally sucks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/6/13 Daniel Bean <daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Haha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Wibo Lammerts [mailto:wibo...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: 13 June 2013 15:54 >>>>>>>> To: Rob Taylor >>>>>>>> Cc: benny blanco®; list 313 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's the C2 HypeMachine in full effect, and you fell for it! Shame! >>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/6/13 Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the way he described it made it sound awesome! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Wibo Lammerts <wibo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I heard that one, a while ago. and it is as bad as one could >>>>>>>> imagine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2013/6/13 Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> speaking of dodgy remixes, Carl Craig was speaking with Joe Muggs in a >>>>>>>> Resident Advisor podcast recently ( >>>>>>>> http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?exchange=149 ), and >>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>> mentioned a remix/re-edit or maybe even a re-recording of Toto's Africa >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> he played at London's Plastic People club. I have a soft spot for this >>>>>>>> tune, >>>>>>>> so would be curious to find out what he meant. Anyone know? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM, benny blanco® <be...@blancodisco.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought this 'tribal' interpretation was pretty blah as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The new DM Single, 'Soothe My Soul' has an interesting remix take by ZZ >>>>>>>> Top. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4bPH2U40jAU >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> benny blanco® >>>>>>>> blancodisco.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:22 AM, kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No offense intended, but my reaction on first listen to that track is >>>>>>>> that it is hilariously bad. I can imagine it might work on the >>>>>>>> dancefloor -- punters on their 5th hour of thrashing about do love to >>>>>>>> hear something they recognize -- but after the third minute of those >>>>>>>> claves mixed too high I wanted to shoot the producer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:09 AM, <ed612...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Found it. >>>>>>>>> Jamie 3:26 sent me the link >>>>>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/polyrhythm-1/personal-jesus-mktl-polyrhythm >>>>>>>>> Thanks anyway guys >>>>>>>>> And DAMN!!!! It wasnt David Morales... It was John Morales from NY >>>>>>>>> :):) >>>>>>>>> Haha >>>>>>>>> Peace >>>>>>>>> Ed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: >>>>>>>>> "Diego Simak" <diego.si...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> "Daniel Bean" <daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk> >>>>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>>>> "edward thompson" <ed612...@iinet.net.au>, "313@hyperreal.org" >>>>>>>>> <313@hyperreal.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: >>>>>>>>> Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:32:04 -0300 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: >>>>>>>>> Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes it is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2013/6/10 Daniel Bean <daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That’s pretty dire. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Diego Simak [mailto:diego.si...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 10 June 2013 13:36 >>>>>>>>>> To: edward thompson >>>>>>>>>> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xLvArgSp3k >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2013/6/10 edward thompson <ed612...@iinet.net.au> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>> I went to 2 parties today (David Morales during the day and Jamie >>>>>>>>>> 3:26 >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> night and at both gigs Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix was >>>>>>>>>> played. >>>>>>>>>> An >>>>>>>>>> absolute dance floor killer of a track. Must be relatively new. >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know what the remix is and who did it? >>>>>>>>>> Id say all the big boys would be playing it atm. >>>>>>>>>> Peace >>>>>>>>>> Ed >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk >>>>>>>>>> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>> views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. >>>>>>>>>> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >>>>>>>>>> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >>>>>>>>>> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >>>>>>>>>> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >>>>>>>>>> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 | http://vibedeck.com/wibo/ | >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/w1b0 | >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 | http://vibedeck.com/wibo/ | >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/w1b0 | >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk >>>>>>>> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. >>>>>>>> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >>>>>>>> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >>>>>>>> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >>>>>>>> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >>>>>>>> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 | http://vibedeck.com/wibo/ | >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/w1b0 | >>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>
