I agree with some of your points, but for me I'd not mix the unedited track in, just fade and let the song do its work. I've seen DJ Harvey play Africa, around disco & house records and he played the original, it worked, it got an enormous sing along and desired effect reached.
Carl Craig has done edits in the past under the name C2C4 on Moxie, the Talking heads edit for me is pointless- PLAY THE ORINGINAL - Don't just loop the drums because the vocals really make that track, it would frustrate me on the dance floor that I never got to sing along. I saw Nick Hoppner at the Panorama bar and he drop 'its our life' by Talk Talk, it was the original, the vocals kick in really fast but it worked, the whole place had their arms in the air and were singing along.... -----Original Message----- From: David Powers [mailto:cybo...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 June 2013 15:57 To: Paul Kendrick Cc: Rob Taylor; Wibo Lammerts; Daniel Bean; benny blanco(r); list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix If you are a radio DJ, sure, but from the viewpoint of a serious dance DJ I would definitely would want an edit for these reasons: 1. Most important, at minimum you need to loop up something at beginning and end for mixing into and out of 2. Typical pop song structure is too short for the dance floor, it really makes it's point as quickly as possible and suddenly the song is over. This doesn't create the type of altered state of consciousness you want for dancers; to me dancing is very spiritual and you want music/rhythms that are conducive to attaining a real trance state, without needing drugs. I am not really a big fan of your normal pop music formulate, it's very limiting. 3. For me personally, the chorus is a bit too epic and cheese, I'd prefer to somehow tone it down somehow, filter and otherwise dub it out, and probably would only let it appear once, not multiple times as in normal pop song structure. The verse works for me, but it so clearly leads into the chorus that it probably needs to still occur before the chorus. So, if I was editing it, I would definitely focus on the intro bit, and the bridge with the keyboard solo; that changes it from a pop song into a dance track... 4. The type of production is really a mismatch in a set of house and techno records, basically in terms of the drums. Adding a bit of drum machine really makes it work better on the dance floor. (Remember... This is EXACTLY what the originators of house were doing with some disco records!) Just one man's opinion, I'm sure others disagree, but as someone who has released edits, perhaps the above will explain what it is that drives me to do a bunch of work to alter a song that is already a "good song"... in a nutshell, the radio pop song form is quite different from the type of form I prefer as a DJ. There might be exceptions when I do play a pop song if I figure out a brilliant way to mix it in, or it's the last song in a set, or for some reason I want to surprise people, but it's not something I would do often. ~dp On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Paul Kendrick <p...@dagmar-tara.com> wrote: > I must say I think Africa is a classic and doesn't need an > edit/remix/whatever....just play the original... > > ________________________________ > From: Rob Taylor [mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com] > Sent: 17 June 2013 15:45 > To: David Powers > Cc: Wibo Lammerts; Daniel Bean; benny blanco(r); list 313 > > Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix > > Quite, David. > And if you don't like the song in the first place, you have cloth ears > and your opinion is worthless! > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM, David Powers <cybo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I could imagine a Toto "Africa" edit being decent, actually, I would >> have to hear it and judge for myself. I am not sure why one would >> assume it's no good without hearing it? >> >> Haven't heard that Quentin REM remix, that one does seem like a >> stretch; even so, in Quentin's defense, most of his output is pretty >> good and some of his remixes and PURE GOLD (I am not going to tell >> you which ones though, that would be to easy)... Nobody knows >> anything about them and they KILL the dancefloor every time. If >> anybody hasn't done digging through his back catalog, I would highly >> recommend it!!! >> Those are some of my ultimate secret weapons. >> >> ~David >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Wibo Lammerts <wibo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Seriously? An edit of Toto? Really? That's like a Quentin Harris >> > remix of "Losing my religion" by REM. Which exists, and totally >> > sucks. >> > >> > >> > 2013/6/13 Daniel Bean <daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk> >> >> >> >> Haha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Wibo Lammerts [mailto:wibo...@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: 13 June 2013 15:54 >> >> To: Rob Taylor >> >> Cc: benny blanco(r); list 313 >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That's the C2 HypeMachine in full effect, and you fell for it! Shame! >> >> ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/6/13 Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> the way he described it made it sound awesome! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Wibo Lammerts <wibo...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I think I heard that one, a while ago. and it is as bad as one >> >> could imagine. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/6/13 Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> speaking of dodgy remixes, Carl Craig was speaking with Joe Muggs >> >> in a Resident Advisor podcast recently ( >> >> http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?exchange=149 >> >> ), and he mentioned a remix/re-edit or maybe even a re-recording >> >> of Toto's Africa that he played at London's Plastic People club. I >> >> have a soft spot for this tune, so would be curious to find out >> >> what he meant. Anyone know? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM, benny blanco(r) >> >> <be...@blancodisco.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I thought this 'tribal' interpretation was pretty blah as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The new DM Single, 'Soothe My Soul' has an interesting remix take >> >> by ZZ Top. >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4bPH2U40jAU >> >> >> >> >> >> benny blanco(r) >> >> blancodisco.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:22 AM, kent williams >> >> <chaircrus...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> No offense intended, but my reaction on first listen to that track >> >> is that it is hilariously bad. I can imagine it might work on the >> >> dancefloor -- punters on their 5th hour of thrashing about do love >> >> to hear something they recognize -- but after the third minute of >> >> those claves mixed too high I wanted to shoot the producer. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:09 AM, <ed612...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> >> > Found it. >> >> > Jamie 3:26 sent me the link >> >> > https://soundcloud.com/polyrhythm-1/personal-jesus-mktl-polyrhyt >> >> > hm >> >> > Thanks anyway guys >> >> > And DAMN!!!! It wasnt David Morales... It was John Morales from >> >> > NY >> >> > :):) >> >> > Haha >> >> > Peace >> >> > Ed >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: >> >> > "Diego Simak" <diego.si...@gmail.com> >> >> > >> >> > To: >> >> > "Daniel Bean" <daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk> >> >> > Cc: >> >> > "edward thompson" <ed612...@iinet.net.au>, "313@hyperreal.org" >> >> > <313@hyperreal.org> >> >> > Sent: >> >> > Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:32:04 -0300 >> >> > >> >> > Subject: >> >> > Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > yes it is >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2013/6/10 Daniel Bean <daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk> >> >> >> >> >> >> That's pretty dire. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Diego Simak [mailto:diego.si...@gmail.com] >> >> >> Sent: 10 June 2013 13:36 >> >> >> To: edward thompson >> >> >> Cc: 313@hyperreal.org >> >> >> Subject: Re: (313) Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xLvArgSp3k >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/6/10 edward thompson <ed612...@iinet.net.au> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi guys, >> >> >> I went to 2 parties today (David Morales during the day and >> >> >> Jamie >> >> >> 3:26 >> >> >> at >> >> >> night and at both gigs Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus remix was >> >> >> played. >> >> >> An >> >> >> absolute dance floor killer of a track. Must be relatively new. >> >> >> Does anyone know what the remix is and who did it? >> >> >> Id say all the big boys would be playing it atm. >> >> >> Peace >> >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk >> >> >> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may >> >> >> contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC >> >> >> unless specifically stated. >> >> >> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >> >> >> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act >> >> >> in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >> >> >> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >> >> >> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 | http://vibedeck.com/wibo/ | >> >> http://twitter.com/w1b0 | >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 | http://vibedeck.com/wibo/ | >> >> http://twitter.com/w1b0 | >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------- >> >> >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk >> >> This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain >> >> personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless >> >> specifically stated. >> >> If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. >> >> Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in >> >> reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. >> >> Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. >> >> Further communication will signify your consent to this. >> >> >> >> --------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > | http://soundcloud.com/w1b0 | http://vibedeck.com/wibo/ | >> > http://twitter.com/w1b0 | >> > -- > >
