I have heard a lot of Swedish techno/tech-house that is NOT just 2-beat loops but some quite musical material. I'm surprised the Swedes get hated on so much.
Also, I found that when I got a little bit older I actually got more tired of "songs" and "melodies" and often prefer more abstract or minimal sound pieces. However that includes all kinds of things, from John Cage to Luciano Berio to Terry Riley to glitchy ambient stuff, as well as hard techno. I think the problem with hard techno is that it just isn't done with a very creative sense of track selection and feel, and many DJ sets just don't cut it. I think it is a problem with the record selection and a lack of creativity on the part of hard techno DJs who are content to follow a formula, and simply get paid. I only really like about 25% or less of the more banging techno sets I listen to. To show how complicated my changing tastes are, I have also found I can appreciate Mozart, Alban Berg, and Gustav Mahler more than I used to. However I have also found I have far less enjoyment for a lot of the classic jazz I used to listen to constantly, and can only listen to the certain edgier jazz artists, such as Cecil Taylor, Ornete, Coltrane, Mingus, Monk, but not so much Lee Morgan or Dexter Gordon or hard bop. A lot of the soulful things that people on here dig I just find are too smooth for me, and I'd like to hear jazz influenced techno take on the more edgy side of jazz. For example, Carl Craig's earlier project Innerzone Orchestra did tackle this side of jazz and I thought it was really cool, if not quite perfected yet. On the other hand Detroit Experiment didn't really do much for me and sounds a lot more conservative in terms of the jazz it references. Just trying to say that there are a lot of different ways of viewing this question on changing musical tastes, not just the stereotypical "older people like conservative music." I may like more subtle and refined music, perhaps, but not necessarily more conservative music. ---------- Original Message ------------- Subject: Re: (313) Every Dog 4 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:16:28 -0500 From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Fabrizio Nahum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> those are logical conclusions and I agree for the most part although i would be careful in implying track based techno is immature it's more about peoples brains maturing and their taste changing (becoming more conservative) in the process. Part of it is conforming to the system as they stop the rebellion phase, anti social behavior of adolescence and the natural maternal mode once a human passes their sexual prime. I recall you being Italian maybe you can briefly tell me how the 313 techno scene or techno in general is in Northern Italy, if not disregard my email, thanks. on 5/9/03 11:00 AM, Fabrizio Nahum at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think we should actually have a thread on this. it seems to be one of > spw's pet peeves :) > > to me the answers lie in different factors: > > age. let's be honest, we get old and our tastes change. some of us here were > into grind and death metal besides hard acidic techno. now we dig metro area > and theo, moodyman etc. let's say there's an evolution taking place. also, > and this is related to the age thing, a lot of us dont go clubbing as much > as we used to. those of us that used to take chemical dance enhancers > probably dont anymore, and certain types of music just dont sound the same > no more. > > another factor is that 313 techno, at least to me and generally speaking, is > characterized by harmony and melodics - not just a pounding looped groove. > oh, dont interject with references to mills, hood, oldham et al., im > speaking in general terms here. there is a definite song structure there > that other types of techno just dont have. this leads to the appreciation of > the types of music that spw is singling out. > > these are some of my opinions on the subject - please excuse any perceived > superficiality in my post, im at work and writing a 4 page essay on 313 > users musical preferences isnt exaclty what i get paid for ;-) > > btw, i agree with ken, theres either good music and bad music, regardless of > genre, type or style. > > have a nice weekend all of you > fab.
