I think that's a compelling point. But the mark up price comes from all the middle people involved in getting that CD, the distributors, the stores. I guess they want their income too, rightly or wrongly. Often the indie stores are more expensive though as they're not buying things in bulk, but I guess at least you know that the money is going to an independent store. I actually think there's a need for a real overhaul in thinking, but I do feel for the people *affected* by file-sharing. I reckon close to a 1/3 of the Australian record co industry has disappeared, and promo and publicists go first. Now there's talk of mergers between majors here which creates even larger monopolies. There's one key distributor now here without any publicist working their stuff and so no one knows something is out. You ask for an interview and no one cares enough even to give you the os contact so you can organise it yourself. The drop in vinyl is interesting too. I think Diana makes a valid point here. But I am personally sick of labels feeling that if they release CD compilations, they *have* to be mixed. I like the full tracks. I liked GrooveTech but they compelled you to use Fed Express and for international orders that makes it sooo expensive. Also I could never find much by way of Detroit stuff there. I really recommend Record Time mail order, they're super quick and have a site that works. I can't order from Juno as there software is incompatible with my system.
---------- >From: diana potts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: 313@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:46 AM > > > > hmmm..i think a hard part for me personally is > knowing the mark up price. When I go to buy a CD it > pains me because i know how much that cd cost to > produce and then i know how it all gets divided after > that. It's a big reason why I *really* try to buy > music from independently owned stores. ESEPCIALLY > because so often full length 17 dollar albums are just > a front to sell one or two good singles of the record. > > vinyl. is expensive. If i could get rid of my tactile > obsession for it, it would make life a tad bit easier > especially with storage issues. I always had a problem > with certain American producers putting their records > through Europe so they could get the "import" markup. > grrr. but that's another subject. And yes, people > shouldn't have to sacrifice their income because of > file sharing etc. however, perhaps it's a matter of > adapting.Insert darwin in a techno geek form. What if > groovetech had sold their invetory in MP3 format as > well? > > ***However, I think groovetech went down for other > reason besides vinyl sales alone. > > I have a friend who has completely stopped buying > vinyl. all sets are done from the laptop, progams or > live. He sold a collection of over 500 records. now, > if his little mac goes belly up he's possibly up a > sh*ts creek, but he's happy with it. so be it. > > I like my finger paint and he likes his paintshop. > > d > > > --- Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well you're one of the more serious ones, and many >> do buy, but the majority >> don't. The whole culture of obtaining music has >> changed. Whether it's good >> or bad... it's the reality. I know that I often get >> asked to burn things for >> friends as they know I have bought the records, but >> I don't have a burner so >> that ends that. Some are broke and can't get the >> music any way, most just >> don't wanna pay for stuff. I'd rather buy them the >> record for a present. >> Like when you throw parties, none of your friends >> wanna pay for tickets >> right? People expect to be on the door even if they >> have not helped to >> promote it in anyway. We've got a generation of >> cyber scrubs. ;) >> So many labels are on ice right now. I know one >> major house label is owed a >> fortune - thousands of pounds - when its distributor >> went under. I don't >> know how else you can account for that. Consumer >> anxiety from terrorism? I >> don't think so. >> If freedom is at the cost of people's livelihood's >> you got a problem. People >> still don't see music as a product of labour. >> Musicians gotta eat. >> However, I do see that the Internet has >> democraticised music. How else could >> kids in Russia, South America, etc, pay for >> expensive imports? There has to >> be a constructive way around it. >> >> >> >> > Well, maybe, but once again, I might point out I >> bought four records >> > this weekend. 3 of the records, I have MP3s of >> the albums I bought, and >> > have been searching for the record. The fourth is >> an artist I >> > discovered in part by checking out his MP3s. >> > >> > I also discovered "The Sea & Cake" through mp3s >> this weekend, because I >> > saw a poster for an upcoming show of theirs here >> in Chicago. Now, >> > because I liked the music I heard, I intend to go >> see their show. I >> > will probably buy an album of theirs on vinyl >> also, if I see it around. >> > >> > I think that many others would have the same >> outlook as my own. Of >> > course, it's always scary to put ethical choices >> in the hands of >> > consumers. But then, isn't that what "freedom" >> (if that word means >> > anything at all anymore) is all about? >> > >> > -David >> > >> > PS. I never did try out Groovetech. I prefer >> shopping in stores but I >> > do use planetxusa.com sometimes. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Cyclone Wehner >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:35 PM >> > To: 313 Detroit >> > Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech >> > >> > Now maybe the impact of rampant file sharing and >> burning stuff becomes >> > clear... Think about it... >> > >> > ---------- >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To: "Phonopsia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Subject: Re: (313) Au Revoir Groovetech >> >>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49 AM >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, it was a good run. And they will go down in >> history as one of >> > the >> >> best shops to never have a shop. >> >> Hmmm, wonder what will happen to the archived >> music sets? >> >> >> >> MEK >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Phonopsia" >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: >> >> <313@hyperreal.org> >> >> sia.co.uk> >> cc: >> >> >> >> >> Subject: (313) Au >> > Revoir >> >> Groovetech >> >> 09/20/03 12:46 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,9-2003431875,,00.html >> >> >> >> Tristan >> >> ======= >> >> http://www.phonopsia.co.uk >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
