definatly a good take on this whole subject...but i have always believed that larry heard should be in this conversation almost as much as ron hardy....derrick may definatly reflects ron hardy's dj style , but as for the tracks derrick may made, larry heard had to be a huge influence. i have heard from several people that larry heard was a huge influence on derrick as well as others...last time rick wilhite came out here to portland we were talking about this kind of stuff and he was telling me he plays techno. a kind of techno no one else plays, yet most people would have called this house. and i have also heard of people like Glenn Underground and Boo Williams, and Brian Harden refer to some of there sets as Chicago techno...i think sometimes they do this just to mess with people's heads , but there is some truth to those terms as well....i mean i know larry heard is the man who helped invent house yet listen to his gherkin jerks stuff and other stuff it sounds alot like what was later called detroit techno....lenny and lawrence burden once told me MANY detroit artist used to go and check out ron and other clubs in chicago as well as go record shopping down there, and larry heard was a total fixture in that scene so many of the detroit guys were hevely influenced by larry heard as well as ron hardy....then there is little louis and k-alexi and others that were all around at the same time...some of those old k-alexi tracks can sure sound detroit technoish at times....but they are strictly chicago house.... just my 2 cents on the topic.....good thread
michael www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > I believe D. May also lived in Chicago for a while - > He broke Strings of Life with Ron Hardy at the Music Box (or was it the > Warehouse?) and if you listen to a Hardy DJ mix and a May DJ mix > back-to-back you realize how influential Ron was on Derrick. I've always > associated May's music with Chicago house and Juan's with Detroit techno - > there is clearly a difference. Maybe that's why Derrick didn't like the > word 'techno' - because he thought of his sound as house music and a > continuum of the Chicago sound. Juan probably didn't feel that so he > needed > a new way to define what he was doing. > Probably also why lots of people who think of themselves as 'techno' fans > are disappointed when they hear Derrick play - it's 50/50 mix between > 'house' and 'techno' and they don't expect that. Same is true with Jeff > Mills if he slips 'house' tracks into his sets. > > Most of the time though, I think journalists put names to the genres > because you need a word or phrase to communicate to your audience. Short > catchy names work best. > Most artists shrug it off or try to shake the label off of them because > they don't need the word - they have the music and they let the music > speak > for itself. Often you find an artist who actively moves away from a sound > that is associated with a genre label because they don't like being pinned > down. > So, yeah, I think it's mostly the writers - it's their job and it's not > really a bad thing initially because it allows people to communicate. It's > when those who are cashing in on a 'movement' that really do the music and > the word harm. > > MEK > > > > "Dr. Nutcracker" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > <313@hyperreal.org> > ty-072.com> cc: > Subject: Re: Re: (313) > 'Techno' Music > 10/24/03 08:53 AM > Please respond to > "Dr. Nutcracker" > > > > > > >> >I always thought that Juan coined the term by taking the phrase from >> Toffler's book when he made 'Techno City' . It was Rushton who jumped on > it >> and pushed it as a genre name to try and differentiate thier music from >> Chicago House. > > And that's exactly what these heads were doing in the beginning on their > labels... > simular equipment as in Chicago House and with influeces from a dozen > european bands. > So can we conclude then... > that in early stages a lot of so called 'Detroit Techno' classics are at > least very simular to Chicago House? > I also remember a story wherein these heads were driving up to Chicago > every > weekend to check out those 'Disco' parties with DJ's like Ron Hardy. > Of course we cannot neglect the fact that Detroit city was in resessions > those days... > > > Dr. Nutcracker > > > > > >
