Ryan just stuck this tracklisting on LD - I think it is part of the Choice 
series of comps. It's a good indication of the sets he has been playing at the 
Xmas Lost parties over the past couple of years:

CD1 
Slick - Space Bass 
Teddy Pendergrass - The More I Get, The More I Want 
Sinnamon - Thanks To You 
Chas Jankel - Ai No Corrida 
Geraldine Hunt - Can't Fake The Feeling 
Goldie Alexander - Show You My Love 
Montana feat. Goody Goody - Esto Parese Amor 
Deodato - Keep It In The Family 
Starflight - Dance To The Beat 
Gerardo Frisina - Mas Eu Quer Ser 
Jackie Moore - This Time Baby 
Boys in Shock feat. Carol Leeming - Give Me Back Your Love 
Denroy Morgan - I'll Do Anything For You 

CD2 
Telex - Moskow Diskow 
King Sun - On The Club Tip 
DJ Q - We Are One (Carl Craig Mix) 
Blake Baxter - Sexuality 
Insync v. Mysteron - Audible Illusion 
Change - The End 
Ramirez - El Ritmo Barbaro 
Florence - Analogue Expressions 
Bandulu - Serial Operations 
Neil Howard - Indulge 
Silent Phase - Meditive Fusion 
Joey Beltram - South Pacific 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:30 PM
To: Brendan Nelson; KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE
Subject: RE: (313) Detroit In Effect/Whatever Happened To The Future?


This is long so beware:

>In a way, their sound is what "techno" would have turned out
>to sound like if Techno Kut had had the impact that Metroplex,
>Transmat etc ended up having. I'm quite interested in that
>parallel 'path' of post-electro stuff and the way that it started
>out calling itself "techno" before being superceded by what we
>*now* know as "techno"...

There's a line in the track 'Men You'll Never See': 'Making techno tracks
...' Which I was bemused by. Incidentally, are these tracks new? Once again
we meet that oft-talked about (currently) retro-future/future-retro thing..
Are these old tracks released late or new tracks made in such a way that
they sound old?

I feel that I'm on the verge of being a hypocrite with my appreciation of
these tracks. I've said before that I am wary of the 'retro' phase that's
sweeping through our music(s) at the moment, but I'm quite enjoying these
tracks. Also, basically, everybody likes a bit of nostalgia don't they?! If
these tracks weren't so naive, raw, and unpretentious, I thgink I'd be less
inclined to like them. I'm a sucker for basic and unpolished. To me, if
there's a 'soul' to be seen, you'll see it more clearly that way. Don't get
me wrong. D.I.E isn't particularly deep. It's about fun. That seems to count
for a lot right now.

I'd also say something similar on the discussion about 'future vs retro'
which we've had this week, albeit late - excuse me.

I do share the misgivings which some have about what looks like a
capitulation to that pull to the past and apparent relinquishing of efforts
to push boundaries to create what we think of as 'futuristic music'. At the
same time, I do sympathize with the fact of the zeitgeist under which we
live - markedly conservative and controlling governments, unforgiving if not
impossible macroeconomic backdrop, which makes any sort of risky artistic
innovation seem out of place, let alone hard to sell.

Perhaps you might view this as a semantic device but I would question
however, just how 'retrospective' in attitude a lot of what is looked at
that way is regarded.

'Let Me Think' by Kenny Larkin, might be a case in point. Apparently the
track is at least a decade old - some people said they used to hear it on
the radio in Detroit in the 1990s. I'd say, if you compare it to anything
which is even remotely similar - the average piano-based jazz track by
whoever (I don't follow that genre) how would it compare? To me, the
atmosphere on it, not to mention the haunting use of synths still
differentiates it sharply from most chart fodder and from specialist stuff
of similar ilk.

Of course I recognize that it's not avant-garde in the sense of being off
the map in comparison terms, but  I feel some comments suggesting it and
similar stuff are going backwards, in terms of progression are going too
far.

Also sometimes, we ought to consider whether, in relative terms, some of
what we call progress in terms of sounds, actual musical and recording
technology - relating to the music that we in our relatively specialist
world like, has progressed so far in expertise and innovation, that it will
take much of the rest of 'popular' music many years to catch-up. Therefore,
in relative terms, based on a wider perspective than say 'techno' electro,
etc, etc, stuff like Juan Atkins' 'Back To Basics', Kenny Larkins' 'Let Me
Think', D.I.E., recent Carl Craig productions, even things by Claro
Intelecto here in the uk (if you haven't heard it - believe me, you should)
is still - in as real terms as it's possible to speak of when talking about
something as intangible, subjective relative and refractive as values in
electronic music(!) - far, far, far off in the far future to most people.

Again, don't get me wrong - whoever is cutting the edge in this world, I
will always give their efforts more than a cursory listen (- right not it's
the 'Cologne' school, Kompact, Dial et al which gets my vote for genuine
unforeseen music, imho). But my view of what else is good has never been
that restricted I guess.

Sorry for the length. Difficult subject. It's all *just* my own humble
opinion of course, before I get a flaming of as many words!

k

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 30 April 2004 11:59
>> To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE
>> Subject: Re: (313) Detroit In Effect
>>
>>
>> Yep, they seem to belongs to the hiphop scene, being very
>> 'electro basis',
>> as if we were back 20 years ago when techno wasnt even come
>> into the world!
>> They have evolved in their own 'path', thats what it makes it
>> attractive, i
>> think.
>> - KiDDy.
>> http://www.paradisemassage.org/pm_newsletters/bb07/bb07ok.html
>
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