Hi Robert,
I am helping out the folks at Hyperreal.org look after the 313 list.

Noble intentions or not, you've just violated one of the few simple rules in the 313 constitution:

* Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity (and, yes, this has happened in past).

(and also)

* List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespective and disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

It is grounds for getting banned from 313 to post ANYTHING to the list posing as another 313 list member, in good humor/intention or not, from their correct actual email address or not. It's creepy, an invasion of privacy and whether it's TECHNICALLY possible or not is beside the point: it's unethical and disruptive. For the 2% of the 313 listmembers who can do your trick, that doesn't make it okay to do it and wave it in everyone's faces, especially those who have no idea of how to correct it.

While I don't necessarily disagree with cause, the manner of which you've brought this to bear is unacceptable. I can't allow you (or more importantly) any other 313 member to essentially hold the list hostage to their pet "cause" and disrupt the reason the list was formed to begin with.

Any further discussion of email list security should be had with the people who run Hyperreal and manage the email software. Feel free to contact them and share what you've learned, but not not post about it any further on 313.

I will grant you this one-time warning to stay on 313 as a member provided you not post any more on this topic, as righteous as you feel about it or not. And to post something to 313 again as me or anyone else would be immediate grounds for dismissal -- that goes for everyone, effective immediately.

sorry to have to step in and get all rules-based, (which i am loathe to do) but this is ridiculous. This should be the last post on this topic that makes it to 313.

Thank you,
Matt




On Mar 16, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Robert Felber wrote:

On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 09:31 -0800, J.T. wrote:
i dont get it either.
what was the point of doing this on 313?
please dont. i subscribe for rambling nonsense about music, not rambling nonsense about computer/email security.

Exactly that was the intention. Whats the goal, to do this on a list
like bugtraq etc, where everyone knows about it. Of course, if one would
be interested in it, he would lookup at the right places - but to wake
someones attention they must actually see live whats possible to become
interested. You want your mail to work (as you want your car to drive) -
but for both one should know how it works to dont cause damage to
himself or others.


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MM
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