thanks for that jodie (i kinda knew tthe situation wasn't that sweet
over there in respect police shutting parties down etc...).
makes very interesting reading the below. thanks
robin...
On 10 May 2005, at 14:35, Svagr, Jodie wrote:
I do understand how the UK has a different history than the US, which
might very well affect the way the government handles the festivals.
I'll tell you a bit of a story about Chicago...
Around the year 2000, the mayor of chicago, Mayor Daley was having
some problems with his children being found drugged out at raves, so
the story goes, he really cracked down on the city because of
this...taking it out on everyone for the problems he was having with
his kids... it even became scary to throw a small house party, because
if you had a DJ, the police were more than likely to fine everyone,
house owner, DJ, party-goers... everyone was at risk...
The entire situation was very bleak...
I remember one of the first thing that people coordinate with the
government that helped to turn it around was a music art exhibit that
was done on the Red Line subway train... they set up turntables and a
DJ played the entire city route, from the north side to the south
side... admittedly there were some sound issues because the power
would cut out at various stops, but overall it was a success. A legal
rave on a subway train, sponsored by the government.
Then the government started to sponsor a once a month event in a skate
park on the south side. Every month, during the day on a Sunday, kids
would skate their hearts out, next to adults that would dance to the
sweet house tunes.
Through this process of slow build-up, the government began to realise
that if done properly, it can work.
It sounds like a sappy story, but its true. The Moyor of chicago is
still Mayor Daley, but the outlook for the electronic music industry
is much brighter.
If you compare government policies as a whole, the UK and USA
governments are very similar. The US has been fighting the rave and
electronic music industry movements for years. Thank God it was
finally beaten out of the legal process a few months ago, but prior
to that, the past five+ years have been frightening for everyone
involved in the electronic music industry. Many of us feared for our
jobs, our music, and our way of life.
I'd love to finish this thought and continue to debate this, but I
have to run for now...
Let me know your thoughts, and anyone else's thoughts on this...
Jodie
-----Original Message-----
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 May 2005 14:03
To: 313 Org
Cc: Svagr, Jodie
Subject: Re: (313) Chicago SummerDance Schedule
firstly the below was sent to me privately but i've checked with jodie
and it's cool to go to the list.
On 10 May 2005, at 12:56, Svagr, Jodie wrote:
I don't agree with you on this at all... I've lived in all three
locations, Detroit, Chicago, and now the ~UK... and I've witnessed
what happened in Detroit and Chicago during the planing phases of
getting these festivals off the ground. In both cities, people said
exactly what you are saying about the UK. Both cities were having
huge problems with the government and police stopping electronic music
events. Both cities were in a crisis... and the people in the
electronic music communities thought that eventually it would become
impossible to throw events... but through a LOT of hard work by the
people in the electronic communities, the government started to change
their opinions on things.
It takes is a lot of planning, hard work, and knowledge, plus
determination and persuasion, and eventually you end up with what has
occurred in Chicago and Detroit. Both cities are very proud of these
acomplishments, and they should be.
firstly i'm not trying to take any credit away from the people that
made this happen. big respect is due.
thing is tho the situation in the UK is definitely more locked down
against this kind of thing due to the fact we had the massive rave
explosion of the late 80s early 90s. it's even enshrined in law (and
yeah i did go on the marches in london to protest). the UK is
definietly a different kettle of fish compared to the states in this
regard.
even peaceful protests (like things like critical mass) are completely
swamped with police these days. dance music is even more frowned upon.
i went to movement last year and was amazed (and pleasantly surprised)
by the relative lack of police at the event. i'm not complaining, i
think this is a good thing.
(also i think this isn't even a european/US difference, Queen's Day in
Amsterdam had very few police when i went....the ones there were just
to make sure people were ok).
"never happen in the UK though. there'd be a sea of yellow jacketted
riot police with sticks and dogs as far as the eye could see in
anticiptaion of any trouble."
If I had a dollar for every time someone from Detroit or Chicago had
said this, I'd be very wealthy, now look at where things are in those
cities... who knows, maybe England will change as well.
:)
Jodie
the government are unlikely to go back on the way things are in the UK
imo.
i do see what you say above and my attitude may seem negative but i've
seen how police handle electrnic music events in the UK over many years
(i was even told my car rregistration was marked as a free party
attender in police databases!). the way i see it tho the more heavy
handed the police the more likely the trouble. the way it seemed to be
at things like Movement (last year at least) seemed more fair and not
something i expected to see in the US.
enough rambling now...
robin...
-----Original Message-----
From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 May 2005 12:09
To: 313 Org
Subject: Re: (313) Chicago SummerDance Schedule
my reply to the original email never got to the list before.
this would be amazing to have in your home town.
never happen in the UK though. there'd be a sea of yellow jacketted
riot police with sticks and dogs as far as the eye could see in
anticiptaion of any trouble.
Movement (in the same way as last years) would never happen in the UK
either.
and i dunno the answer to alex's question...doh
robin...
On 10 May 2005, at 11:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FULL LINEUP!
June 15 – Paul Johnson / Maurice Joshua
June 22 - Jeff Mills / Mike Dearborn
June 29 - Lego / Jesse De La Pena
July 6 - Glenn Underground / Craig Alexander
July 13 - Ron Carroll / JM3
July 20 - Mark Grant/ Oscar McMillan
July 27 - Superpitcher / Mazi
Aug. 3 - Andre Hatchett / Joe Smooth
Aug. 10 - Marshall Jefferson / Jesse Saunders
Aug. 17 - Ron Trent / Rich Medina
Aug. 24 - Farley "Jack Master" Funk/ Terry Hunter
errrrr, wow!
I have a question though.
Has anyone ever seen that Andre Hatchett dj? Matt maybe? Anyone?
What does he play? Is he the gut who used to dj with Ron Hardy alot?
Does
anyone know?
Thanks
Alex
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