i find this whole thread about dancing/not dancing and talking/not talking to be very interesting because it gets at people's entire conception about what a party should be. there's the classic "concert" conception of a musical event where the audience is supposed to stare at the performers and move only within the confines of the small space they have staked out for themselves. then there is the "nightclub/rave" conception which is all about movement and interaction with other members of the audience and emphatically NOT about sitting there staring at the musicians.
personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet. maybe it's just me .... i would never get up on stage in front of a musician during a PA, but i see no problem with talking to your friends, dancing, trainspotting, or engaging in any other activity at a club-style event ... unless perhaps your activities result in skipping needles, unplugged equipment or the like. (i have a friend who once sat down underneath a stage and plunged an entire room of a london club [turnmills] into blackness by sitting on a power cord. oops!) now that live electronic performances have become more widespread, however, different show-behavior ideologies seem to be competing within the same event. my favorite example of this EVER was at a stereolab/mouse on mars gig in '97 in chicago when the sweater-rock crowd just ... STOOD there, gawking at the wacky germans dancing around and diddling their machines onstage. they literally had NO idea how to loosen up or dance or have a good time. it was hilarious. --brian -----Original Message----- From: Paul Jenvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 PM To: :); 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] agents of change Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician, AND that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede. You've pulled rank. You are way too old school. I give up, ok? It was a really good party.... ":)" wrote: > ok. first off, the venue was NOT packed. it was close, but there was > PLENTY of room to dance. I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35 > bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and take > a damn nap. I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how > annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your gear. > a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only > augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share > common taste. > > I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed... probably had > something to do with the detroit police that were standing by. :\ > > anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am using > as a reference point when speaking of packed venues... > > no flames plz > > </rant> > -Joe > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [313] agents of change > > > Please don't tell me that you were that guy! The tall, blonde-haired guy > at > > the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf saying, "Geez! Why > is > > no one dancing!?" Then turning around and not dancing yourself. I really > > hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were > just > > tearing it up and cutting a rug. > > > > To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques. Once in a > > while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but to > > move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part (I > > hate to dissappoint you, but...) I was watching, admiring, and learning > > from a true innovator. > > > > And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at the > > front, it was friggin packed! How could anyone even move, let alone > dance! > > We were shoulder to shoulder. People were tearing it up 10-20 feet back. > > > > That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to > > watch the artist. Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same > time! > > > > > > TJ Johnson > > www.wireframerecords.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM > > Subject: [313] agents of change > > > > > > > Well, what did everyone else think of the party? > > > > > > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd > was > > almost unattentive.. My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front > > around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of > people > > just standing around. I felt as if I was gathered around an accident > scene, > > with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but otherwise > > giving no indication that there was *music* at the party. After the joint > > got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really > > enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some guy > & > > we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit > > > too often... > > > > > > -P > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
